2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer - The Hottest & Baldest Episode Ever w/ Sean Evans | 2 Bears, 1 Cave

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

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Welcome to another episode of Two Bears One Cave. Sad, sad news about my regular co-host he had an Arm amputated and so while he's recovering we have the king of ring sting sitting in for him It's the great Sean Evans everybody. Hey Thanks so much for having me. Thank you. I hope Burt gets a cool prosthetic. I do. I'd like to see something. Something titanium. Yeah. It's going to add a whole new dynamic to his live show.

Thanks for being here. You're in town because South by Southwest is, and you're going to, are you going to speak? Yeah, they have, it's a totally full schedule. It's been a really busy year, yeah, just an itinerary that's packed for like the next couple days where it sounds awful They'll shove me into a room take a bunch of pictures do this interview sit on this panel. Do you like that stuff? Um, You know, I'm leaning into this year. So like, you know, it's just I was at the Oscars last weekend We did like Sundance like the weekend before that. Like the whole calendar has filled up and I'm just kind of leaning into it right now. Every time I arrive somewhere and they go, this is your calendar, my objective is I go,

how can we reduce this? That's what I lead with. How can we do less instead of what you've proposed? I think that's something that comes with growth. You know, right now this is my first time kind of going through all of this. Oh, okay, this is the fun, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm plinko balling through it. Right now, this is my first time kind of going through all of this. Oh, okay.

This is the fun, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm plinko balling through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. And then I'll review it afterwards and figure out what we need to do. And you'll go, never do this to me again. That'll be the subject line.

Never again. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I'm learning all those things. Well, you've been, I mean, everybody who knows from watching anything on YouTube, everybody knows Hot Ones and the trajectory of this thing is incredible. You're like the, that's the prototype.

That's the dream for people is they go, I have an idea. I'd like to do this, you know, this bit kind of online and maybe it'll turn into something. And then the A++ example is Hot Ones. That's got to feel pretty amazing. Yeah, it does. I never take for granted this unique magic carpet ride that I've been on. And I'll also say that a lot of it came by accident. You know, like we had this idea, but I don't think we realize the degree to which, you know, hot sauce is a disruptive element.

All the hours spent like really committing to the interview, the way that it would kind of make this what's it like to have a beer with this person show that people have been trying to invent all the hours spent really committing to the interview, the way that it would kind of make this, what's it like to have a beer with this person show that people have been trying to invent for a really long time. So I think- Everybody's doing knockoffs of it. Right?

Yeah, I think, yeah, people, and sometimes I kind of miss even just this. This is fine. You don't have to add some sort of high concept to it. I remember watching, maybe it was before a Monday night football game and it was Sims doing an interview with someone, with Patrick Mahomes,

and they're doing this interview and then they mixed into it like playing catch with each other. And I remember that being just a distracting element, but it comes from a place of people sitting around in a boardroom being like, well, we can't just do an interview. We have to interview, like we have to introduce

some sort of high concept to it, which maybe it's gone a little too far. I didn't realize to the genius of Hot Ones until after doing it, which is that like, on its surface, it can appear that, oh, this is some gimmick, like eat hot wings, right? But the thing that happens is that when you have something like hot sauce, it disrupts your natural guard.

So as these questions progress and you're uncomfortable, you're speaking in a way that you would not normally speak. And that's really the magic. You're like, cause like you could do with alcohol, but then you have like, you know, it's different, right? You have your inhibitions are kind of like, it's also it's like, it's making you, it's going to affect you for a longer period, right?

You're going to be drunk eventually. But this is like this temporary thing that throws off your equilibrium and your judgment. All of a sudden it's like truth serum. It's truth serum is what it is. Yeah, and I think it also just distracts you from the formality of an interview. Yeah.

It's so bizarre, just the concept in general, that you'll sit down oftentimes with someone that you're meeting for the first time. You'll have to create this rhythm, this energy, this rapport, and this sense of trust with someone. And then you're doing it in this ridiculous context of having all these cameras pointed at you And it being a show. Yeah that just in its architecture should

Probably brick 90% of the time, you know Yeah, you should have like a 90% fail rate when you just look at how they're designed but I think just the Act of sharing a meal with somebody that's something that can kind of create that trust and then the hot sauce and then just being Disoriented by the whole thing. I think you just kind of forget that you're on an interview show plus the way that we shoot It's like deep in the room the black curtains all of that stuff You can kind of disappear into a void is all these little things. It's all the little things Yeah, that that are very detailed

I feel like to like we you know I've watched a lot of them and I've obviously, I've been on the show and you're like, you start to appreciate that you kind of leave them and you're like, what the fuck just happened there? How did they know this stuff? Like, why did, what did I just say? Do I have to text them and say, please cut that out? Like all those things. But I feel like also you're so good at interviewing that I think you're next, you know, like at some point you're gonna stop doing it. You're our next Charlie Rose.

Yeah, I mean, I remember, I think he was the man and then he like peed on someone. I forget what it was. And then they stopped letting him do the show. But we need the guy who gives the really good in-depth interview. Well, thanks, I appreciate the compliment, well half compliment.

That's a real compliment. Yeah. Shout out to Charlie Rose, I'm still a fan. Yeah, I think interviewing is just, it's something that I don't think anyone's naturally good at in the beginning, and I think you only get better by the reps and all the hours that you have to put in,

so that's always what I've just Tried to tried to stay committed to is The next interview trying to make it a little bit better than the next one and just keep building those things And what do you advise for interview like if somebody was like, how do you give a good interview? Like what's your take on it? Um, I think be naturally curious and enthusiastic when you're doing the kind of interview that I'm doing if you're talking to a movie star That has a movie coming out. I think it's the the best thing. The way that I do it is I just try to walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

So if we're interviewing a musician, I'll listen to all the music, make a playlist. That'll become the soundtrack to my life for a week. If they've if they have a whole filmography, you know, end your night with like a little double feature and really soak in their output as an artist, because I think in a lot of ways that can communicate who they are as a person Just as much as anything that you would read in a profile or whatever and then obviously you should do that other work and really dive into all the stuff and then you have So many resources on YouTube so many interviews so many things that you can reference in order to get a better understanding Of the person that you're talking to. But I think overall people

that begin, they'll probably just make a list of questions and just try to fill up that sheet. Yes. Like that's kind of enough or whatever. That's the, when you when you're doing press, they always like, hey you want to do an interview with this college kid? And you're like sure. And then the college kid is like, what made you like comedy? I watched it. Right. Like when did you sure. And then the college kid is like, what made you like comedy? And you're like, I watched it. And they're like, when did you start? And then they're like, I have four more.

And you're like, okay. And it's like they're filling their quota. Exactly, yeah. They just wanna fill up the sheet and be like, well, that's the, I've done my job and now I'll ask the questions and kind of rely on the other person to elevate this whole thing.

Yeah, so your whole thing is essentially don't be lazy. That's basically it. Yeah, and that's hard to do sometimes. It's effort, you have to put effort. You guys put time and effort into it. I think it's obvious, like when you do the show and when you watch the show, you're like, oh, they didn't just like go tell us about your movie. Right. Yeah.

Well, I think that that's also important because you're coming in to eat these scorching hot chicken wings. I think it's only right that we meet someone halfway. It's kind of just a respect thing. But also, and maybe you can speak to this. But if you're sitting down with somebody who's just like has their list or whatever, you know, the value of an

interview is going to depend a lot on the generosity of the person that you're interviewing. Yeah. So I think that if you meet them halfway, if you show them, especially early on, that it's gonna be a different kind of interview, then they'll relax their shoulders, and then that can be just as disarming as the wings and the sauce. So I think it's that combination of things,

and that really can make a good interview, but I think it's also just reps and time and hours doing it that makes it better. It's clear that you you guys do a better job It's so funny because it's non-traditional media and then you go this is like right, you know, it's online Yeah versus like a ABC show or something and you're like, yeah, but you guys did a way better interview Way better interview and then it gets probably even though you guys have it's wildly popular and you have so many views I'm sure there's a percentage of the public. They're like I don't watch this chicken wing shit like yeah Yeah, like I want to watch the traditional thing where I learn nothing about this person Yeah, I think so too. Um, but I think that's really changing a lot because

You know, obviously there's the eyeball situation You know like so many eyeballs now on these internet shows and then the production is flattened so much. You know, when you're looking at something on YouTube, it looks just as good as it does on those network shows. And then when you think about where a lot of these shows, I'll include ours, live in culture, the kinds of guests they have in the numbers that they put up, I think that kind of separating those two things is just it that they put up. I think that kind of separating

those two things is just, it's just a matter of time before that disappears because I think all of that is flattened so much. I think you're right. It's widely reported that the show has been sold, but you still get to operate it. So now that you're legit wealthy, what are the bitches like, dude? I don't know. It's kind of dry out here right now. Damn. like dude I don't know it's kind of dry out here right now yeah yeah there's a there's a big responsibility now with what we have going on because we didn't plug into anything you know like we basically plugged into severance yeah so

now I feel like I've had such a busy year like January was the busiest month of my career so far and seriously where you hit because because of the lead-up to selling it or no I think now it's just there's the responsibility of do now it's on us you know what I mean like we were able to extract that Jenga piece and get our baby and now it just feels like it all falls on our shoulders to make it successful so I've just been selling out with everything that I do this year and then I think that also like coincides with the profile rising and then a lot of these other pulls in various directions, including like the reason I'm here today, you know, in Austin. Yeah. So it's just been the studio, the airport, the hotel back to the airport, to the studio hotel like nonstop.

The airport the hotel back to the airport to the studio hotel like non-stop Sean as a fellow Bomber jacket enthusiast. How do you go about picking your outfits for the episode? I appreciate you saying that because I recognize your bomber game and your polo game Thank you, and I think that we're both similar that way. Yeah, so I have we both have beautiful bald heads Well, yeah, yeah, actually shaved. Yeah, sorry next Charlie Rose Maybe I'm trying to be the next Tom Segura Looks good, but do you do put thought into it right? Yeah, a little sharp, dude Yeah, well, I'm a uniform dresser. Like I think it's like the same kind of Vibe but in just slightly different shades. So do you blue black this is. So you have the same problem as me too,

where like the other day I got clothes shipped to the house and I was like, I showed my wife, I was like, hey, what do you think of this? And she was like looking down and she goes, it's gonna be the same thing you always get. I go, what? She goes, you buy the same shit over and over. And I was like, what the fuck, man?

Same with me, but it's just because I'm not shopping, but once I find a shape that I like, or a style that I like. Then you're like, I'll just get more of those. Exactly, and oh, they have it in kind of different materials. Yeah, and then you're like, I have 40 of the same t-shirt. Exactly, so that's exactly what's going on right now. Okay, good, I'm glad there's someone else.

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Sean, a Super Bowl commercial is a big deal in and of itself, but when you add Matthew McConaughey to the mix, it goes from a cool gig to life event. When you got the call to shoot with him, what was your immediate reaction? I thought it was amazing and then it was even better shooting with him because you see his process on the sidelines, which I'm like, wow, like the way that he's approaching this Uber Eats commercial, you know, like talking to the director, like in real time, workshopping alt lines. I think the original line that I had in it

was like something that was like, I can't remember what the original line was, but he was the one that changed on the spot to be like, these wings deserve a team, you know, like, and then, and then he's talking to the director and he's like, he's like, uh, and then, you know, what if I'm like, uh, I look over to bill and I'm like, you got any, you got any good team, good team names for Buffalo bill, bill, you know, he's like doing that. He's like, you like that? You like that?

I think the director is just like, yeah, that sounds good to me. He's like, Sean, you like that? You like that? I'm like, whatever you want, Matthew is like, that's the one that's the one, that's the one. And then even when he was sitting down, you know, he'd like look to the director and he'd go, now are we NFL execs wheeling and dealing? Are we common folk eating wings in a Buffalo diner? Cause he was like trying to get the motivation

for his character. You know, and then I think the reason that that commercial works so well is because that's how he'll attack every scene that he does and then he crushes it in that commercial. He really cares. Really gives a shit. And it's kind of inspiring to me because in those situations, the only responsibility I'll feel is like, I'll be like, okay, just don't fuck up this line.

You know, just hit my mark, don't fuck up this line. But then to see the way that he approaches it. 95% of us would be like, yeah, just don't fuck this up. And then be like, did I do that okay? And then they're like, yeah, it's fine. But to see his just kind of creative process and enthusiasm in that moment, I thought was just amazing. He was the best.

When he came here, like the fact that he was like, because we asked, you know, these certain questions about like how he prepares and you see how much he, he's not just a guy that's just like, what are the lines? Let me just phone it in no he really really cares and I think that's why he elevates things that's how that's why he is who he is and then why that commercials good all right now stick your pinky in your asshole and take away and let's see all right whoa as someone who's constantly on the move flying for interviews brand deals and the Hot Ones Empire you've Alright, woo! As someone who's constantly on the move, flying for interviews, brand deals, and the Hot Ones empire, you've probably seen every possible version of in-flight madness.

What are the air travel pet peeves that drive you absolutely insane? Are we talking bare feet on the bulkhead, people clapping when the plane lands, or something even more heinous? I think, you know, part of the problem is everybody who works at airports is so burned out, you know, and you can kind of tell when you're going through. Like the other day I was, you know, going through a security line, you know, and I'm like, you know, just asked the TSA guy, I was like, do laptops come out?

And he like, didn't even really look at me, and he like looked over my shoulder and he goes, laptop stay in the bag, it's not that complicated, like that, but in my head I'm like, yeah dude, it is that fucking complicated. And he goes laptop stay in the bag. It's not that complicated like that, but in my head. I'm like yeah, dude It is that fucking complicated it changes airport to airport even in this airport It changes lane to lane like it is that complicated so but it's just kind of that over and over again Because then you go how many times has like he's saying that because he's been asked that I understand where I'm coming from of course

But he's got a nice day in your position Exactly, exactly. So that's a problem. I like to sleep on flights, so pilots that get super chatty and are like telling you that you're flying over the Grand Canyon and are going through like humidity of your, and wind speed of your destination when you land and they're really filling you in,

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It's just you couldn't eat that at the gate man. You're exposed to yeah We're all animals and you're really exposed to it when you're at the airport Especially just being treated like cattle hurting onto these planes and you know what like I flew from like New York to Austin today, you know, yeah, and it wasn't it was like one of those planes. That's like a Greyhound bus with wings You know sure so I'm like, you know, even if you get like a first-class ticket It's just like this but I'm like, is that a long enough flight to get the pop-down? Oh, yeah seats And like how long for that? You see how long?

Some of these planes have been in operation Or because you fly first on one airline and you're like it's nice right and then you get on the next one And there's no screen. Yeah, it doesn't lean back really and and you're like there's nothing they're like Yeah, this is this thing's been here since like 91. And you're like, that's a fuck, it's time. It's time, dude. You gotta take this one out of commission. When I was in New Zealand last year and I was flying back here, I remember they pulled my bag out of security and I had the spray deodorant.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And the guy goes, can't have this. And I go, I can't have the deodorant? And he was like, no, can't have this. And I go, I can't have the deodorant. And he was like, no, it's too big. And I flew with it here. And he goes, and where'd you fly from? Was it another country?

And I go, yeah, he goes, this is another country. And I go, brilliant. He goes, what was that? I go, brilliant. Oh, and the other thing too, the pat downs at TSA, a little much I think. Like I had one today where they were like, yeah, aggressive and they're like, oh you just got to check your stomach and I was like, that was a little lower than my stomach, you know, in front of everybody.

And the back of the hand. I've had so many back of hands against my nuts where I'm like, at least, I don't know know to an audience of like 80 witnesses. Yeah, you know yeah, and they're like what is that? I guess my fucking beanbag Oh, what about this is one. I'm curious about sure had I Mean you guys have had huge a list celebrities on your show. It's pretty wild How about after show Ds? Have those gotten? Oh, you know, the DMs off the top of my head, you know, I'm sure there's been a bunch of them. But like, as you know, I think like, when you go through the Hot Ones gauntlet, you kind of either

become friends for life, like you and me, you know, or this person never wants to see me again, you know, it's one of the other. Yeah, like that happen? Yeah, there's no middle ground. But one of my favorite moments is when we shot with Dave Grohl, he brought in a bottle of Crown Royal. And he made me go shot for shot as we went wing for wing. It was this big bonding experience. I remember after the shoot, we're out back in the alley. I don't even smoke cigarettes.

I was just chain smoking with Dave Grohl. Because he's like, you want a cigarette? And I'm like, sure. Yeah, for sure, man. So we're just sitting back there chatting. Getting heroin't even smoke cigarettes. I was just chain smoking with Dave Grohl, you know, like you want a cigarette and I'm like, yeah, yeah, exactly. So we're just sitting back there chatting heroin. Yeah. Like let's party. And then he goes, uh, hey, I've got a premiere for my movie tomorrow. Like you got to stick around as opposed to get on a plane and go back. And, um, I was like, I kind of got to stay. So I called my team. I'm like, is there any way that I can just stay in LA, go to Dave's thing? You know, I'm trying to be best friends with Dave Grohl right now yeah yeah they said yes yeah they said yes they made it work so I stayed went to

the premiere and then afterwards they had this like friends and family Foo Fighters show so I went and like saw Foo Fighters and like kind of like an intimate club which is like so cool okay but in the middle of the show Dave goes so last night or he was like so yesterday I got to do one of my favorite shows of all time. And at 3 o'clock this morning I woke up and shit my fucking brains out. So this next song is dedicated to Sean Evans. He's in the audience. It's like a movie spotlight on me while I'm just standing there in the audience. And then he covered Shame. And then in the chorus he'd be like shame

And they go shame on you Sean and by the end of the song like the whole crowd is going shame on you Sean Shame on you Sean. So this is the best story ever. I mean, that's like it's out of a movie. Yeah, it feels like a movie Yeah, it was awesome. So that's the favorite. Have you had because I remember there's um There's and I think this is probably a shared experience for a lot of people that go on Hot Ones. You have this built in anxiety, right, when you're like, hey, so, you know, you have like a producer coming, you're like, so like, what's this, what are we doing here?

And they're like, you know, you've seen the show, and you're like, yeah, but like, they're escalating, and they're like, yeah, they'll get progressively hotter, and you're like, how fucking hot is this gonna be? I'm like, that's pretty hot. And then in your head, you're like, fuck, man, like, that's gonna be uncomfortable, right? And then you go, you're doing it,

and then you're like, oh, what's the later result of this gonna be? Like how upset, am I gonna fucking shit fire? Am I gonna have emergency diarrhea? So have you had like immediate after taping things where someone's like either notably sick or like they're vocally upset about, like have you had people like really be like what the fuck?

Yeah, like I don't know if, cause by the end shockingly, it's usually a very positive shoot experience. Like I would imagine that these things would go flying off the rails all the time, you know? Like if you just look at it on paper. But honestly, like 95% of the time, it's like they're happy they did it when they're done, even if there's some turbulence while we're going through the thing. And I'm trying to think if like anybody's had some sort of meltdown or episode afterwards,

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are mostly in jest on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I remember for me, I left there, I was like, oh, and then I was like, oh, it's gonna be, thank God there's wet wipes back in the screen room. And then I was like, oh, it wasn't that bad. But then of course I was like,

yeah, digestion takes a while. Yeah. So it's later. And I do worry, because you know, like a lot of times people are on a press tour or something like that. So they're doing a day of press in New York and then they're hopping on a plane

and I do always, you know, think about that person the next day being like, I hope they weren't in that window when that hit. I wonder how their anus is doing today. Yeah, I do think about that. So you were raised in Chicago. Have you heard people say it like that? No that's literally the first time I've ever heard somebody say that. That's so funny to me because I used to like, Christina used to be like, are you going to Chicago? And I'd be like, why are

you saying that? She's like, people say that. No one says that. And then literally one of the times, like a morning she did that I went to LAX and I'm walking through the United Terminal and a lady is on The mic and she goes flat 22 21 Chicago gate and I was like, holy shit Somebody is fucking dumb enough to say that so so there are people out there that are saying that the wrong way But I do think I was just in Chicago last weekend Oh, it was fucking amazing. And I always have a good time when I go.

And I gave them credit. I go, you're incredible sports fans because you have to deal with whatever you get and you keep dealing with it. But you're a hardcore White Sox guy, right? You're a Southsider. So if you were chiseling out Mount Rushmore of White Sox greats, who's making the's making the cut and is there any universe where Mark?

Dural doesn't have a spot on there No, there's none so mark burley. Is it burley? It's burley these guys literally wrote a Pronunciation it's they did they wrote out they phonetically laid it out. Yeah Okay mark burley Laid it out. Yeah Okay, mark burley Hey mark Lee on there huge apologies. Yeah, he dead put him in the Hall of Fame. No, he's alive and kicking Hey mark burley. I got it right this time Okay, mark burley is definitely on there

He's probably my favorite white sock of all time and then oh Actually, maybe no Frank Thomas is my favorite but then mark Burley Frank Thomas big Frank Thomas with the fucking tea pills Yeah, dude my dog. Yeah, dude. I love those. He's like I fucking take my dick's heart all day Yeah, yeah, so Frank Thomas Mark Burley And then Frank Thomas is a guy I'd like to watch fuck someone like he's one of those guys where you're like Interesting the big hurt the big river Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, big hammer fuck. Yeah, you know that thing swings. You even know you all right. We'll get back to your list sorry No, please no. No. I just I met some I've told this before but I've met some

Major League Baseball players I had no idea they were like oh, you know that in throughout MLB on all teams Dominicans shower separately like and I was like and I was like no and they're like, oh, yeah Cuz they're wild and they'll do shit like they're not gay, but they'll come up in my culture They're like they'll just slap their dicks against like each other and they were like, nah So it's like Dominicans they do their own thing and then the rest I go that feels like segregation. Like well well it kind of is they're doing their fucking wild shit because they're so sexually free. I had no idea. Yeah and I've

had that's interesting. The first guy told me and then I pitched I told the other guy and he was like oh yeah a hundred percent. Oh wow. Yeah it's pretty interesting yeah and then you go to the Dominican Republic and you're like, you know, I get it. Yeah Yeah I have two more spots, right? Yes I'm gonna but yeah Burley Frank Thomas. I think I'm gonna put Ozzy Gian on there. Okay and then I have one more spot which can be kind of tough and You know what? I'm gonna give it to there is this blue collar workman center fielder that I was obsessed with when I was in high school named Aaron Rowand was maybe not like the biggest name but he used to just

crash into walls you know like just over the shoulder going into the wall full force but I always just loved the way that he played and an honorable mention to Scott Posednik as well. Wow. Okay. There you have it It's official and hopefully this will get built pretty soon The way things are going, you know, it is crazy, right? because well first of all if you have like you have the Bears which is like it's It is crazy. I'll roll. I'll roll bulls You know, you'll roll White So socks season into bear season in the bull season

Yeah, and it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and like it's interesting that um You know cuz I think with sports that's always just gonna be this like joy misery Slot machine that you're playing all of the time, you know, it is and only one team is gonna win a championship So I think the appetite and enthusiasm that you can build for a team is all about the ride that they take you on that season Right a thousand percent So even if you're you know a couple games out of the wild card at the all-star break Like there's still something to follow something to tune into and it's been so frustrating for like the last decade and a half Like all of these seasons are like dead on arrival before they even start.

And then there's no real sunlight for how they get out of it. You know, like there's, I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be looking towards. It's so funny because I tell this to people, so because you know, there's people who are like, I don't care about sports. And then there's like, kind of people who like casually watch some things. I'm like, here's the thing about it. If you're not emotionally invested to some degree, then you're not getting the thing out of it that is there. Right. It's like if you go, I don't care whether they win or lose, it's like, well, then you almost shouldn't just, you shouldn't watch, right? Like the whole thing about being a sports fan, I mean, obviously some people take

this to an extreme and they're way too invested. But the fun of getting behind a team is that you care enough to be miserable when they're down so that when they are great, the joy is so much greater. That release, you have to have the up and down. And so, you know, a lot of of these things are like I always watch college football and like it's it is cyclical Like the the teams will be great and you're like these guys are great and then they'll have this downtime

And then the team that wasn't doing so well and it comes back but it feels like It usually belongs. It really does belong to like 10 to 12 teams Yeah that, you know, the other ones really can't compete because they can't bring in the recruits to that level. In the pros though, you're like, man, some of these windows where it's not good is like a lifetime, it's like decades. And two, I always think about, I mean,

at the end of the day, that business is a nostalgia, that business is a nostalgia and memories business. You know what I mean? So it's just been so flat for so long that I wonder, I'm like, are they losing like an entire generation of sports fans there? You know what I mean? Like I think about that sometimes where it's just-

Well, if you're a kid who was born like say in Chicago, I don't know, 15, 20 years ago, you haven't experienced the highs, really. Except for a couple moments, well, if you're a Blackhawks fan, you've had some big time, but like, they don't know what the Bulls thing was like. They just like heard about it. They're like, oh, that's cool.

And you're like, no, you don't understand. This shit was wild. Like it was a given. Like, oh, they're gonna dominate, you know? That's how I actually thought of them when I was a kid. Like the first time I ever saw adults behaving bizarrely was during those Eastern Conference playoff matchups between the Bulls and the Knicks. Yeah. No, that was the first time that I'd see my dad, you know, screaming swear words at the TV.

You know, and I'm like, why is he freaking out? They win all the time. Yeah. I'm like, they win all the time. This I thought it was like a Harlem Globetrotters thing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, why are all the adults in the room screaming at the TV and acting like something's at stake here? They always win. So even that I didn't even really enjoy. The other bizarre behavior to watch in an adult is when their sports team is doing well and then they're cocky. It's not you. You didn't do this. But they're like, fuck you

guys. It's my shit. You have nothing to do with this But like they adopt the arrogance and they're like I mean I would just like a chance to adopt that arrogance I have no idea what that's even like feels like just on that whole cyclical thing that like the Bears would have to be Do at some point? I mean, I think we'll see what happens this year. You know they got their coach and You know I'm I'm gonna ride it out with Caleb and see what happens this year, you know, they got their coach and, um, you know, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm gonna ride it out with Caleb and see what happens. And the NFL is much more of a parody league, which is why it's kind of like bizarre that they haven't been able to, uh, crack that code or solve that Rubik's cube, like at least a little bit recently. But, um, there is a thing about the NFL too, that like you just notice over time and you go, how can this be?

But it is true. There are organizations that understand winning more. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I think that's true. You're like, that's weird. They all have like money and like they should, but like, you know, you look at like the Steelers and you're like, yeah, this organization understands going after winning. Yeah. Like they're doing it decade after decade. Right. And then there are these handful of silly teams, like the Jets or the Bears or the Jaguars or whatever. You know what I mean?

Where it's just like, yeah. I'm from Cincinnati, dude. Yes. Yeah, I understand. That the president of operations pays himself $35 million a year there. For real. Mike Brown's like like that's my salary Okay, this is not about winning. This is about you being like this is pretty cool

This is a fucking he he runs it like it's a hotel and he's like, yeah, it's full Yeah, they're not going anywhere. I don't care. It's all yeah give a shit So for this next question shit in your pants and then sit there and deal with it now Just tell me if it affects your answer. Yeah. Yeah. You've been known for asking hard-hitting questions, and now it's time for the real question. Do you believe in Sasquatch? Are you full of this is all nonsense, or do you lean more? I do not believe when it comes to them. And if we put you out in the Pacific Northwest with night vision goggles and a GoPro, do you think you'd make a compelling case one way or the other?

Great question. I love this parody of me, by the way. What are you talking about? I was like, just fucking write some things down for me. So I'm obsessed with the idea of Sasquatch. I don't believe that Bigfoot's actually walking around there. But I would love to go out and do one of those hunts. That sounds fun. There was this Sasquatch show that I used to watch all the time, you

know, and it was just kind of a group of crazy guys who, as the show goes on and on and on, you see them becoming crazier and crazier and crazier over time. And even like the sort of tensions between the group, it goes from this optimistic we're going to find Sasquatch today to where like, you can actually kind of observe some marine resentments amongst the group there but I think I like the idea of it you know I like the idea of a Loch Ness Monster yeah as a kid that was a really exciting one and I never I never developed out of that thing of like things so do you love UFO things and like alien landings well I'm I'm less compelled by that than like creatures walking amongst us. So that's your that's the lane

You like the most? Yeah, like a mythical beast amongst us. Okay, that's I have so many alien Friends, you know, yeah, well, that's cuz that's the thing. I just can't hang with them You know what I mean? Cuz people are into aliens. What am I super in days like check this shit out I don't like what is it? He's like over my Cause people who are into aliens are super into aliens. One of my friends is like, check this shit out. And I'm like, what is it? He's like, this is over my fucking house last night. And I'm like, I think those are birds. He's like, that's not a bird.

And you're like, he's just like, look at him. I'm like, that's crazy, you fucking shot that? You're like, all right, dude, I don't know. Do you believe in the moon landing? Yeah, I'm gonna go with the moon. I'm gonna believe in the moon. But there was a hesitation there. Well, you know, anything's possible, but. Do you with the moon. I'm gonna believe in the moon. But there was a hesitation there. Well, you know, anything's possible, but...

Do you think the Earth is round? Yeah, I believe the Earth is round. Do you think it rotates around the sun and everything? Yeah, that all checks out to me. Okay. Will you guys, as this continues, please prep all, get all the Bryce stuff ready for us, just so I can show him, like, all three? Definitely. I just want to show you that there's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. The evidence evidence well if there's other voices out there

a lot of people want to realize this but the Margaret Herrick library is kind of like the holy grail for film nerds and A place where you can find original scripts production notes Hollywood history that feels too sacred to be touched You had the chance to do interviews there leading up to the Oscars What is the coolest weirdest or more most unexpected thing you on? And did you actually end up with like, whoa, like this is actually you? Yeah, well they have tons of cool stuff. So yeah, I did a series of interviews over there. The coolest thing that they have, or the coolest thing that I saw at least, they have Quentin Tarantino's handwritten pulp fiction script that is because I've always he's very famous for being like, you know

No, don't type it up. He's like would you type up a poem or song? No, you write it by hand He writes all of his his right scripts are handwritten and then he gives it to somebody to type up. I thumbed through it It's in a three ring binder just on notebook paper But is it written film style? Like is it script style? Yeah, it looks like a script. So it's like exterior. Yeah, and even sort of, even in the way that he's writing,

it's like in the center of the page, like kind of like a script would be. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it legible? Yeah, you can, it was cool to see his handwriting and like all the dialogue is almost like exactly the same, but it was interesting to see that some of the characters

names were different, you know, going through, but that was the coolest thing that I saw, but they have tons of cool stuff there. It was kind of an amazing thing to just go through the archives. Another fun to see handwritten N words not from a friend. Yeah. Usually this is in a note from a buddy, but this is cool. This is Hollywood lore, yeah. History right here. Oh, here's another one. And there's another one.

Another one, almost every page. And then, but another cool thing that I saw is they have just these pages of casting notes, so you can see all these people that were auditioning for a thing, and then sometimes there'll be kind of mean notes next to it, like not believable, you know, like you see all that stuff. Oh yeah, yeah. Can anyone access this or no? This is like... So I don't know, maybe some of the things that I was in are like under it, but it's a library that's open and it's

awesome. I really wish I could just write interviews out of it. I want to ask your opinion on this. This is like, I had mentioned this a couple days ago and I was like, I want to know if opinion on this. This is like I had mentioned this a couple days ago And I was like I want to know if this is me or this feels Genuine like more true. I feel like like the Oscars just recently happened, right? I was like, you know, I just feel like it used to be more of a cultural National event almost like a Super Bowl of sorts.

And I'm like, am I sensing something changing legitimately? Or is it that me personally, am I just more removed and less interested? I get both parts of it because I always assume that any movie that I bought a ticket to and watched blew up at the box office and any movie that I didn't buy a ticket to and watched bombed at the box office. You know I think that is part of that like oh the things that I engage with are all banging and awesome and yes that I'm not engaging with don't matter. Yeah like the Oscars like I was like, I don't know. Yeah, so I think that that's part of it, but I think just holistically, like when you look at entertainment in general, like if you just look at like the last couple years, the ways that movies are, you know,

everything is just kind of becoming more fragmented. Yeah. When you just look at the whole thing and there's massive movies and then there's everything is like, yeah, small. There's not like the in-between really it feels like right like yeah and to I think you know like the things that go straight to streaming you know like there's always just these things that are coming at you all of the time so to have real cultural penetration anymore is just really hard I think like the Super Bowl is kind of the last thing that we share as a culture you know what I mean I think everything else has become sort of fragmented and wonder wonder what like

Oscar viewership was like this year versus like 1995 yeah, right. I wonder if it's dramatically different would you look that up like what they are those two years because I I do wonder like is it is it dramatically different where there's like Because the other thing is like you like I hear about and it kind of I guess it Kind of makes sense is that NBA viewership is way down. Yeah that yeah, and that makes sense to me, too But like when you think about it There's also in times that we're living in where you can just catch the clips the next day

You're like, oh well the cream will rise to the top and anything that's worth talking about will reach me in some other form Whether it's like right, you know something that I Like yeah, the highlights are always delivered to you and I think that's the same with same with sports I'm not wrong about no, I mean you'd agree It said this thing says how did the Oscars go from 43 million to 15 million viewers in just eight years? Yeah, that's that's pretty significant. Yeah, that is that's a that's a dramatic decrease Yeah, so it's not no, I think that although I think that that's right. I'm interested I'm reading kind of the things that they have Yeah, I just it just it's like this thing you sense without like having looked up that number you just feel like I

Don't know like almost like and even though I like a work in entertainment, you go, people aren't like, oh my God, the Oscars. Yeah, but I think it's maybe just about movies. You know what I mean? There's not that kind of breakthrough in a way that there used to be in the 90s. And they used to nominate less people for each category, which I think makes it feel harder to get in that conversation. So it becomes more exclusive in other words Yeah, they're like wasn't like three nominees for like the big ones, right? Right and now they're like oh, there's ten

Ten like and two I would like to see I mean this is just like a dumb guy Just talking out of his ass about like one of the most prestigious cultural institutions and all of entertainment. But I do think that Best Picture is just going to naturally lean towards the dramas more and more. Always. You know? So I would like to see in some way excellence awarded in the action category or like maybe

there is some ways that we can throw a little red meat out there with these sorts of things in a way that doesn't totally tank the prestige of the event. Or you know, I grew up as a comedy lover, you know, there are so few theatrical comedies that are released and made. But they also never celebrated though. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, the really good ones. Like to me, Kingpin is like a best picture nominee.

You know what I mean? It's just, but... The things that we saw Jim Carrey and like Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray do in comedies, like in just straight comedies, you go that the movie doesn't exist without that person in it. Right. It just wouldn't work right so yeah So I think maybe that but you know who knows Yeah, all right, so we have these things that show so Bryce Mitchell UFC fighter

Comes on the scene you have these going through the speaker For us yeah, okay, so this is like his episode one of his podcast. Coming out hot. Comes out hot. Hitler, hell and the Nazis. I really don't think that he was because I honestly think that Hitler was a good guy based upon my own research, not my public education indoctrination. His face is the best. I feel for that coho. Yeah, he's like, this is how we're starting. He fought for his country. I He fought for his country he wanted to purify it by kicking the greedy Jews Oh that were destroying his country and turning them all in the gaze It's good. It's an all in the game the kids came out the kids. They were queering out the women They were queering out the dudes. I got still they were you know what our first tranny surgery ever was They were queering out the dudes. You know what our first tranny surgery ever was?

Happened to be in Germany before Hitler took over. You know the books that everybody makes fun of Hitler burning. You know what the books was? Queer books. Okay, so he hits burn queer books. He gets all the notes, right? He's like he's like and this is my show. This is episode one people go absolutely Insane rightfully Dana White because he's a UFC fighter was like this guy's a fucking moron right he comes out he's like he's the dumbest person we've ever had the pleasure of hiring yeah yeah and he's like hopefully people will just watch him fight to get someone see

someone beat the shit out of him and then you're like I guess this guy's not gonna make content anymore yeah did he make an episode two?? Well, he's started putting out other opinions, which is why I brought up the fact that he has, you know, other things to say. And everybody is just totally talking shit about me because of how stupid I am. Let me explain myself a little bit better because this is what I meant by what I said.

And I think nobody's going to disagree once I explain it. I stated that you can prove the earth don't rotate because you can take a helicopter, hover it 20,000 feet for 24 hours and come back down in the same spot. Now everybody said, oh, a helicopter has inertia. I know what inertia is, dude. I'm not stupid. Let me tell you what I mean here's a picture of the circle of the earth supposedly if you believe in a glow and the red circle is the helicopter. When the helicopter ascends above the

earth's surface it now has a larger flight path around the Earth, as in when the Earth, the inside circle, the black circle does one full rotation, the red circle or the flight of the helicopter actually has to cover more distance. But what I like is that you see somebody who has multiple cool opinions, you know what I mean? So like, that you're like, who the fuck is like, I'd like to go fishing with Hitler.

It's the same guy who's like, hey man, if you take a chopper up in the air, look at this, it's not gonna land in the same spot. Or it is, and that means that the earth don't spin. You're like, I got it. And then he also goes into, I don't know, he's also not as. What's your issue with seat belts?

Seat belt advocate. Seat belts, I think it's just like, get to choose if you want to wear a seat belt. The government doesn't, you know, they don't wipe my ass for me and they shouldn't be able to tell me if I want to wear a seat belt. I personally don't like them because I think what if you got to jump out of the car and roll, you know, duck and roll. Nobody ever thinks about that. That's the best point though.

So I don't personally wear a seat belt but I grew up up my mom never wore one. Yeah, I just don't It's not one of the things Crazy about not wearing a seat belt is the goddamn ding and like the ding Car tells you put that mother so like I have been like driven by like a car service, right? Right with some psycho fucking, you know dude who's just up there and you're like, ding, and you're like, hey man, can we stop the ding? And you see the guy like, fuck, I gotta put this. So it means that guy drives around all day with it dinging.

Like when the battery goes on the smoke detector. That doesn't bother you, dude? Yeah, yeah, that doesn't drive you completely insane. Some guy drove us on the road a few weeks ago And we were all looking around like is this really happening? Where he had you know when you're have the radio on and you don't find a station and it's just static Yeah, yeah, just that just drive. We were like don't say anything and we were just like Is he deaf? I was like, hey man. He's like, yeah, I'm like no you can hear and then we just kept driving The whole time,

like white noise. I was like, this is what you cruise around with? Just static in your ear all day? And he's just like, yeah, I'm fine. This is good. Soothes me to dry. And this guy, wherever he goes, ding, ding, every 20 seconds.

And then he's just sitting there like, wish I was fishing with Hitler right now. Just fucking. He's kind of a performance artist though. You know, like this could almost be like a performance art. It is a good lane for like WWE. Like his heel, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, if he was like trying to be like,

make me the villain, I'll just, I'll open up with Hitler would be cool to hang with. Like, and they're like, all right, like everyone's gonna know your name. Right, right. And then he's gonna double and triple down after that. But he's got lots of thoughts. So many thoughts.

The funny thing is, I love when somebody actually has opinions, and then he, in his mind, he has great supporting arguments. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually kind of my favorite part about him. When you've done your own research, you know, and you're like, yeah, that's how I came to this. You're like, yeah, no, that's fucking good, man. I like even too, his like, this is what I meant to say, but I'll be like, you don't need to clarify. Like, I can tell you, you know, you meant that. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, that wasn't it wasn't actually there was no yeah the best part of all that though Is that other dude who's like? you frowned face

He's like this is episode one Frozen like you said this was gonna be fun When you got me to do this with you like you just dragged me into some shit that I don't Want to be a part of now. Like I'm gonna get so many fucking calls after this. Listen, that's the plate of co-hosting on a podcast, you know? Oh my god. What about a Chicago pizza question? Sure.

Chicago's known for deep dish. It's like the Chicago style pizza. Yet you live, most of the time, in New York, which is known for a completely different style of pizza. Are you going to be a diplomat or are you going to choose a side? No, here's what I'll say. Pizza is amazing in any form. I love Detroit style pizza. I love a pub pizza.

I love the classic New York slice. It's always good. But I will say this, you know, like sometimes people make fun of deep dish pizza or call it a tourist thing I think it's you know, people have strong opinions on deep dish pizza, but Being away from Chicago. I crave it every time I go back I always have to eat it because nobody else really does it so I have to get you know, like a loom al-nadi's with Sausage and green pepper like I really do love deep dish pizza and miss it quite

a bit. So I don't know this landscape, but like is any place that serves pizza in Chicago kind of required to do deep? Like do they all do it? No, no, there's a just like a handful of places that do it and all have different origin stories and claim that they invented it. You know, it's like cheesesteak. It's a cheesesteak thing through and through. But I do miss deep dish pizza and I'll always defend it. It's like cheesesteak. It's a cheesesteak thing through and through. But I do miss deep dish pizza and I'll always defend it. Like I could actually just really go for a slice right now. Yeah. I wish we had pizza right now too. That'd be awesome. Pepperoni.

I like a sausage green pepper. Oh, sausage green pepper. Fuck. Yeah. You went to broadcast journalism school that track. And a professor suggested you should be a weatherman. Do you ever imagine, I hear the thing, hearing that, I go, oh, he would have been great at that. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that.

Well, you're a good presenter. And I think you would have been, you know, information, little wink and a smile. Yeah, yeah. Right? And they always have like little quips or jokes. You would have developed your sense of that that and then there'd probably be like a I got IG fan page of like what Sean's bomber jacket like today or whatever right for the weather guy or like I want to

Fuck the weather guy or something like that You would have you would have had some like super fans some moms at home who are like honey get out the door I want about to watch the weather And I think being like a regional celebrity in like a smaller market would be awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. So, but no, I always thanks for saying all of that.

Yeah, I think, you know, weather is challenging. We always in the final broadcast journalism classes, one of those things where students would just rotate. So you'd be the anchor one day, you'd be the sports guy the next week. Then you direct, then you'd be on camera, then you'd do weather, all of these different things. And people used to fold with weather because you have no teleprompter, you're off green screen, you're going through the clicker and then everything's opposite your instincts. You know, like you feel like you're reaching this way and then you look at the monitor and it's the other way.

It takes a lot to figure out and then you have no safety net. But I did kind of enjoy that space. But a lot of people would fold under that, you know, like you actually know a lot about whether though to know I know and I'm at, you know, and I'm not even like really that I was never that great a science student either. So it was going to be a it was going to be an uphill battle in order to get there. You like the presentation aspect. I like the presentation aspect of it. And you just have to think about when your broadcast journal is major, there's a part of you that maybe thinks that you

can be on TV, but it's not like majoring in accounting where it's like you graduate, you interview at the top four, then you get a job. You know, it's not a normal career that way. There's no natural foot in. So I was like, well, that's a way in, you know what I mean? So that was a thought that I had for a little bit. But thankfully I didn't pursue it too hard, but maybe I should, you know, like I'm just thinking about being like a regional celeb in a mid or small market, you know? Be sick.

So sick. Because all the, I lived in LA 20 years and that's not like a small market, but all the local news people are like, they're beloved there. Exactly. Remember Dallas Reigns? That's that fucking beloved there exactly remember Dallas Reigns That fucking guy's name Dallas Reigns That's made for a little made for a little area. Look at a smile, bro Oh that is and they always have like a lot of them, you know Like appearance is obviously a big thing. He's also in the LA market, but it's like, you know

The hair the veneers the tan. I mean that I know it's a bygone era, you know, the hair, the veneers, the tan, I mean that's- I know, it's a bygone era, you know, he's kind of like the last of a dying breed, but that's an important subculture of broadcasting. That's so wild, I think that's him like 40 years ago. In the headshot? Yeah, the signed one, I think that's him. Incredible, probably came out to try to be an actor

Always yes same with porn like they everybody goes like I'm here to act and then someone's like hey What do you think of $300 to show your asshole and they're like, okay? Like I kind of fell into this Yeah, I know I've watched that fucking that porn doc on Netflix and they have this fucking it's it's so fucked up, but they're like hey if This they're like what kind of what are you getting paid today? And this girl's like I don't know like it was like $500 and then the guys like and then she goes, but they offered me another

hundred for For a cream pie like the finish inside of me. But then she goes, I gotta buy the Plan B pill, which is 40, it was 40 at the time. And she goes, but that's 60 bucks in my pocket. I'm like, yeah, that's not a lot to say come inside of me. To be like, yeah, but you got 60 more dollars. 60 bucks is 60 bucks.

But for sure, local weather is like a byproduct of... Failed auditions, a rough pilot season. I think anything you end up doing with a camera anywhere is like, I was trying to act. Yeah. Like anything, like everybody was like, I was trying to act and then I ended up doing this. Ended up doing weather.

Yeah, now I'm just telling you it's fucking breezy today. Yeah. But I do think it's kind of cool. The weather track is kind of cool. And like Letterman started it as a weatherman too. Hey really, I should get that. I also loved, this is like a, I mean not that it doesn't exist anymore.

Is that him? Yeah, look at that. And I think he got fired. This is maybe Laura Lost in Time, because he congratulated a tropical storm on being upgraded to a hurricane. You know, it's like a very Letterman joke, you know? Funny.

That is so funny. We're under a flash flood warning, but all of that seems of little importance once you take a look at the cloud cover photograph made earlier of the United States today. And I think you'll see that once again we've fallen to the prey of political dirty dealings. And right now you can see what I'm talking about. The higher ups have removed the border between Indiana and Ohio, making it one giant state. Personally, I'm against it. And they're laughing on set. I don't know what to do about it. I mean, that's awesome. That's so awesome

Yeah, yeah, and there's also That is to me speaks to also the audience at home There's people dying laughing at right and then those people being fucks this guy doing like they're totally confused I'm like, why is he talking about a border? Like they really? Like questioning that it's real, you know? That's for sure happening. And even his writing is just kind of in that style, and his irreverence towards being, he's probably bitter about doing the weather,

and then that's coming out in his presentation. He's the best. He is the best, dude. That's so fucking funny. I also miss, I have, I guess it's a nostalgia thing The what the national news guys were when I was growing up like it was Peter Jennings Dan Rather Tom Brokaw. Mm-hmm. And like I really miss those guys. I love those guys Yeah, I loved like their their presentation of

There's really prompter just just was like comforting to me. Classic newsman. Classic newsman, I liked it. We still have, I guess, people still. A little bit, yeah, but not like that. Not like that. It was also, it's like, is there something to be sad about just old white guys making you feel like everything's okay?

Yeah. You know, they don't hire them anymore. Poor guys. And the news isn't a let you know everything's okay't hire them anymore. Poor guys. And the news isn't a let you know everything's okay kind of business anymore either. It's totally, people don't understand it. Like you want a rogue? You want to end the talk? Sure, yeah. I've mentioned it that like I remember the transition from news is just something that's read,

where they're like, here's what's happening in Somalia today, and you're like, okay. What I remember specifically is CNN, the first time I was like, I remember going through it, and it was Anderson Cooper, but he's like ageless or something, so it might have been 50 years ago. But it was Anderson Cooper Cooper and then he like he Said something that was happening and he was like

He he like commented on it and I was like what the fuck like weird and he was like, yes Not so I personally like think that's a bad. I'm like, why is he fucking doing it? Right, right But then you realize that he was doing it because the cult, like he wasn't like the only one doing it, but it was slowly happening, like Fox was starting to do it where it was like characters and like, oh, this is the person who's gonna say what I want them to say.

And then that'll make me feel good because they're sharing the opinion. But those guys were just like, here's the thing. Yeah, yeah, so that's, I think like when, you know, it's sort of like the classically trained school versus, you know, in a lot of ways, entertainment is just what we want reflected back at us. You know what I mean? And then at some point, yeah, like somebody was like rolling through and being like, well,

this is, you know, what holds our audience, you know, like this is the watch time. They're just like looking at the- That's definitely- And then just cranking the other side and what happened too Was that when Fox did it they were doing it first where they were like they're gonna look this way They're gonna they're gonna take this angle and their numbers went through the roof right and so everybody else was like We gotta do the opposite like something to to get the other people because they're killing us. Do you think, this is maybe a fun thought exercise, but as you know the market swings, the pendulum swings in the other direction, do you think there's a market opportunity for a classic newsman to like take over in these times?

Or is that just dead? I think, I don't know, I keep saying this about things that like everything seems cyclical but it feels like You know it feels like in my lifetime Nothing's ever been more split where people are just So adamantly against the others and like what they need is someone to go like hey How about I'll just tell you call me broke? I tell you with a steady hand. I'll just tell you I'll tell you with a steady hand I'll just tell you what's happening and they're like yeah fucking tell me what's

happening and like that person it it feels like there would be a market for them you know yeah that's I'm just looking at yeah white space in the market there you know there's I'm like wondering but then like I go I thought that already wasn't like PBS doing that and then I don't know when I said that last time somebody was like no fucking PBS is not doing that I was like, okay, sorry Like you can't you know, everybody gets upset about it's so funny because if you say something that like certain groups

agree with Immediately you're bombarded with like you fucking get it smart guy Okay, and then the second you say the thing that they don't, it's just vitriol. Like it's just so much hatred of like fucking idiot. And you're like, okay. So I mean, I guess that show, you just can't look for validation in comments. No, that's a bad idea. It's a bad idea.

But it is like, it's still, I feel like the split could not be wider and stronger. And just, yeah, always growing more intense. Right? And I don't know if it's like a old guy thing, but it doesn't, to my memory, I don't feel like it was like that. No, I mean, maybe this is just me being an old guy, but sometimes you just feel like the 90s

was like the last vestige of that, and then it just started to- Tip. Tip, yeah. Yeah, and it's all because of 9-eleven I don't know what I don't know that was a bad day yeah it didn't really happen it was a controlled demolition I don't know somebody's real happy I said that though yeah they're like fucking he finally he said it. Yeah, he gets it

He gets oh really do buildings just fall like that Really George Bush and his friends they They went in there the night before and they set dynamite inside and fucking fell Look at the signs are there all along. They were always there. The planes are just a little thing on the side just to get you distracted anyway We're gonna we're gonna make the news on this one. We hit a lot of cool. I think it's cross It's really gonna help it's gonna help sauce sales for sure

It's a pleasure dog Hey look for in your defense you didn't do anything wrong, it was all our side. Yeah, I was just like, I was just the guy with the frowning face on the other side of the table. But, I've heard from other people before, you have to say something in the moment, otherwise people get mad at you for not having- so this might be a good sound bite for you to be like, I just want to say some of the things you've shown me or said, you know what I mean? Yeah, like I'll get

Sanctum in a sanctimonious way well Yeah, just so that like people go because the big criticism will be that like things were played for you and things were said You didn't speak up in the moment. Oh, you should have spoken up in the moment Just live and learn you know I was just going with the flow here Yeah, that's not a thing to go with the flow. I was just trusting you Tom and maybe that was my problem I should never have trusted you Tom but I should know better at this point. That is actually a really good soundbite is that don't trust Tom. Don't trust Tom. I love that I've that I did your show and I've gotten to be friends you. I couldn't be happier for your success.

Thank you, Doug. I do think you are, I've said it before, I think you're the best interviewer on the planet doing this today. You really are the Charlie Rose without peeing on some, or whatever you did. And I really do think you're the best. I think you're the best.

I'm happy for you. I know you're extremely wealthy now and I expect Incredible holiday gifts when that season comes. I would also like to visit your estate when you're done You're in why it always always open door policy for you and Christina Where would you reside if you were picking your like this is where I want? Would you stay think about it? Sometimes you went out of the big city and a more peaceful setting well there's um you know I'm a city rat by nature I think yeah you know and we'll be for the foreseeable future and eventually someday I'd like to get back in Chicago to Chicago I'd like to die like to go home yeah really I don't want to die in New York I don't want to die in LA like I'd rather die in I'd like to die in Chicago

so I want to get back there eventually. But sometimes when I do just let the daydream go, you know, I was like. That's such a good, by the way, way to summarize it. Where do you want to die? I never hear people say, where would you like to die? That's how I think about it. Cause I have no exit strategy at the moment.

And I have fallen in love with New York. When I first moved to New York, I treated it like prison. I was like, I'm doing two summers and I'm doing two winters. I'm getting the fuck out of here. But how long has it been now? Like 14 years, I think. Wow. 13 years. I don't know. Something like that. I lived there longer than I have lived anywhere else. And now I'm in love with it. And it's hard to adjust when you go to another city after you're like used to the pace and style and everything of New York. So I love New York. I have no immediate plans to leave, spend a ton of time in L.A.

But, you know, obviously because of unfortunate events, the landscape there, you know, like my dream was always like sometimes I'll stay at this place called the Malibu Beach Inn. Oh, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like by that no boo. That place is red. It's so great. It's so great. I love that place. and it's kind of Just like a just a chills and like sanctuary for me Yeah, I'm working I've got like this weekend off like I booked there and I would take these long walks up north

And you just see those like crazy estates Yeah, that are on the beach there and when I look look at those, I'd be like, that would be so sick. You know, to just like, we have the beach and that beach access, but then we'll also have these sick pools and you know, like those houses are so sick. And then you're just by that zen ocean water and you can just fall asleep with the windows cracked and just hearing the waves all night. There's something different about it. And it's so calming to me that I was like, you know, if things work out in just the right way, this would be amazing. Alright. That's a great answer.

So I've thought about it a little bit. So you can now take your newfound extraordinary wealth and buy a house in Malibu. Yeah, right. So you know where to find them? By the dip, by the dip yeah dip yeah fucking dude Malibu is even with all of its chaos like you you get used to hearing about You know obviously fires is a big thing. Yeah, right slides and everything. It's it's still there's like there's nothing the best Yeah, best Malibu is the best well a beach in you got a free plug there. You give us a couple free nights So ho beach house, what is it called? Yeah a little yeah, they have that club over there clubs over there

No boo's there all you need They used to have this like fried chicken joint across the street from Nobu and I always thought that would be like fun to Because that's a great name Malibu fried chicken. I was like What's better than fried chicken to it's the best no boo on no boo on Saturday fried chicken on Sunday hey can we get some fried chicken tonight let's go hell yeah let's do fried chicken dude fried chicken is the shit it's so good for you and it's so good to eat what are you watching that's the other thing I want to know is you have a good taste mm-hmm what are you watching are you watching any That's the other thing I want to know. Because you have a good taste. What are you watching? Are you watching any shows or movies right now?

Yeah, I'm watching... Well, I watched every Oscar nominee, every... You did watch every one? Yeah, because I was doing all these interviews. So I watched every single one. What was your... Did you live one the most? Yeah, I mean, Enora was probably my favorite film of the year and it cleaned up. But I also really loved The Substance and I love Coralie.

I was kind of rooting for her for director and I was rooting for Demi and best actress, you know, like when I was at the event and just thinking about, you know. So I did love those movies a lot. I'm happy that The White Lotus is back. That's one of my favorite shows. I love that show. Severance, banging right now. Love that show.

Never seen it. Everybody, it's one of those things. That's all right. If you're not on the, if you're not, you don't need to jump on, you know? No, I feel like I have, I'm such an idiot. Is that I always, whatever's like the hottest show, if I didn't already start it, I always go like, I'll watch it later. I was late.

Game of Thrones is already done before I even started it. I started it fucking 2023. Hell yeah. You and me both, dog. I watched the season and a half though. I get too distracted. I think it's I have a little lot of characters. Yeah, yeah. My favorite was that Breaking Bad was like a cultural phenomena and I kept being like, oh fuck off, you know, and then you're like, this is the best show ever. Well, here's the thing. I started the show as the last season was beginning to air, whatever year, that was like 2015 or something. So I started, I all watched this show.

So I got to watch the entire series in like two weeks of like, this is the fucking best thing I've ever seen. So I always remind myself that, well, I was at 13. So it's 13, it was even earlier. It was, yeah, that ride of being able to go through it without having to wait. Yeah, it was incredible. Yeah, it was incredible.

But I do keep hearing that Severance is amazing. It is. It's really good. It is, yeah, shout out to Adam Scott, shout out to Ben Stiller. Okay, well, guys, make a note that in 2029, I will watch Severance. Please, don't let me forget.

Thank you, Sean. You're the best. You're the best, thank you for doing this. I'm sorry if I did something that will affect your brand in some way. I wouldn't have it any other way. Yes. I'll go down with you.

You have lots of studio space here. I could always pop up a show here. Anytime. Okay, deal. Yeah, we will make here. You know, I could always pop up a show here. Anytime. Okay, deal. Yeah, we will make it. You know what, we'll get rid of people for you. I would love to tell somebody that they lost their job today because you're here.

And I'd love to break the news with you. Oh, dude. Also, that would be the best IG Reel TikTok video ever. I'm like, hey, sit down and actually stand up because you got to get the fuck out of here. Sean's here now. All right. Thanks, guys. We'll see you next time. clean. Here's what we call two bears one cave.