20/20 - Am I Next? (Rebroadcast)

Episode Date: September 12, 2026

When a young couple is found dead, police learn they were involved in an online feud and uncover a deadly catfishing scheme. (OAD 4/5/2024) To get ad-free episodes, early access to new true crime pod...casts, and exclusive bonus episodes, subscribe to 20/20 True Crime+ on Apple Podcasts. Click here to start your free trial today. Terms apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 My name is Shannon Maldonado. I'm the founder of Yowie, a gift shop from the lens of artists and handmade objects. I chose Shopify because when I was testing other platforms, it was definitely one of the most user-friendly. It was important to me to think about where we would be in the future. All of the tools for reading your sales like planning inventory, they're just right there on your dashboard. For anyone starting a small business, the biggest thing I can tell you is it doesn't have to be perfect. Shopify can help you build upon it. Start your free trial on Shopify.com. If someone had let you see everything that had gone on on Facebook and they're talking and saying nasty things about each other,
Starting point is 00:00:38 would you ever have imagined that it would have wound up with two people dead in this house? No, never would have. I got a phone call telling me that she was gone. And by the man, I just can't believe it. I was shot. And this is the bedroom where the clay was found. Single shot? Single shot in the face. Through the back of the house.
Starting point is 00:00:57 Right. And did they catch Billy Jean as well, totally asleep? My impression was it looked like a hit. Like a contract hit. Right. People thought there was a killer on the woods. I'm sorry it happened. I mean, that's all I could tell you is they have been harassing and living.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Crap, I don't know. What kinds of things were people saying about you? Just that I was a bad person. I was horrible, threatening to get hurt. What started all this hatred? I've had my life. Threatening. My wife has been threatened.
Starting point is 00:01:29 They've threatened to take you now, cut her head off. All part of what prosecutors call the craziest, stupidest, deadliest catfishing scheme you have ever seen. We're done. This is Mountain City, a postage stamp hamlet nestled in the mountains in East Tennessee. Mountain City is a two-by-four town. You know, it's two miles wide and four miles long. A sign greeting visitors calls Mountain City a friendly hometown. Johnson County is considered a very safe place.
Starting point is 00:02:14 I was the Assistant District Attorney there for over six years, and there was only a handful of homicides, maybe one a year, if that. You grew up with people and you're going to see them at the grocery store. You go to the gas station and you run into somebody you know. Everybody goes to the same church. It's the quintessential small town America. Definitely a place where everybody knows everybody. Everybody's in everybody else's business.
Starting point is 00:02:41 Johnson County 911. Honey, I need a name that's bad. Can you stay the flying police? That call is coming from this house where Billy Payne lives with his fiancé, Billy Jean Hayworth. When two neighbors stop by, they discover unspeakable horror.
Starting point is 00:03:05 The back door's always unlocked. So he goes in, hollers, nobody answers. He thought, well, it's strange that Billy Jean's car here, Billy's truck is here, and nobody's answering. So he goes down the hallway and finds Bill on the bed. Billy Payne is not moving. His face is blooded. I can't find the pulse.
Starting point is 00:03:26 I like to see the blood on his neck. Oh my God. Oh, my God. It's trying to get calm. They heard a noise in the second bedroom, which is farther down the hall from the first. They went back and they found the seven-month-old baby. There's blood on the baby. There's blood on the baby.
Starting point is 00:03:42 We found Billy Jean laying in the floor and the baby was there with her. She had her arms wrapped around him and he was laying there on the floor with her. The child was covered in blood. I'll be honest with you. I don't know how long I can hear my life. The baby comes to me as a parent looks like maybe it's been up to have a crime for a while and probably cried till we can't cry no more. Miraculously, the baby, Tyler, seen here in photos released by the Johnson County Sheriff's Office, has no physical injuries and appears to be unharmed.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Sadly, the same can't be said for the seven-month-old's parents. No, there's no pulse. I know there's no pulse on him. Okay, do you want to do CPR or anything? There's no pulse. There's no pulse on either one of them. They're white. There's tears. This was around 1040 a.m. in the morning. That's whenever the first call had came in. Here I am, I'm driving down through here and I'm thinking, it's hard to believe that there is actually two people that's been murdered down here. Because you would just, it's just something that's very uncommon here. If one thing happens there, the whole community knows about it.
Starting point is 00:04:56 This situation of two people being murdered in their own home, murdered in the Rajamas, in the early morning hours, was a great shock and nobody really knew what had happened. This is where Billy Payne and Billy Jean-Gie. and Billy Jean were murdered in this house. Law enforcement officers took me to the crime scene back in 2015. And you were the first on the scene because you live pretty close to here, right?
Starting point is 00:05:30 I live approximately a mile and a half down the road right below here. Reese says they found no sign of break-in. That's because anyone could have walked right into the small house, just like the police did. So they go to the back door. They just open it up, it's unlocked. It's sliding glass door.
Starting point is 00:05:48 They just slotted up and walk in. This is the kind of place where people don't really lock their doors, I guess. It walked right in. Was there any sign of a scuffle, a fight, anything? No. No sign of anything. Of that nature, no. Look like Billy had just gotten out of bed.
Starting point is 00:06:06 That's where we found his body. For what we understand... Special Agent Scott Lott with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation takes me into the home where the young couple was killed. This is the bedroom where the clay was found. Single shot. Single shot in the face. Bill, he also had slice marks across his neck and the front.
Starting point is 00:06:30 It was like he was going from the left side over towards the right side, was how the slashes were. And it wasn't one. It was like multiple slashes. I left from there and went down to the next room, which was the baby's room. and I saw Billy Jean Hayworth lying on the floor and I could tell that she had an injury above her right here. Like Billy, Billy Jean is shot once in the head. Police theorized Billy is killed first. The bedroom should be right inside this window right here.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Billy's bedroom was here. And the child's room was the next. So they walked through the back of the house. Right. And did they catch Billy Jean as well totally asleep? was she? No, Billy Jean wasn't asleep from what we gathered. She was holding the baby.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Once the intruder came in, she jumped up and ran out with the baby. Right. To try to get away. Police think Billy Jean ran into the baby's nursery and tried to shield him from the attack. So it didn't take much time to get from that room to this room to shoot. No. And then this is five feet. Right.
Starting point is 00:07:41 I think it takes a cold-blooded person to shoot somebody holding a baby. Was that the most shocking thing about this murder? You know, when that information got out, people were disturbed about that. Small community like this. You've been involved in police work and law enforcement for what 30 years? Almost 30 years. You ever seen anything like this? Never seen nothing like this.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Who could kill people in this way? It's a question that will ultimately uncover ugly family feuds, divide Mountain City, and have these small town cops looking to a possible CIA plot. My impression after, you know, the first week was it looked like a hit. Like a contract hit. Right. She doesn't have a pause. No, no reason or anything to either.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Do you know how long maybe they've been there? I don't know. They're cold. They're wild. It's a home invasion double murder that has a small Tennessee mountain town on edge and authorities scratching their heads. When they first asked me if I knew anybody that would hurt them, nobody came in mind. Nothing hit me right off. I didn't know what had happened.
Starting point is 00:08:54 And then they asked me if they had any enemies. Most of the time, if we have a murder, it's usually somebody that they know or a family member or one of the friends that got upset. But this is one of those that we always call us like a who done it murder. The squad's coming. Can I hang up now, please? The details are even more horrifying. 36-year-old Billy Payne is not only shot in the head, his throat is sliced. and 23-year-old mother, Billy Jean, is holding her seven-month-old son when she's killed. Pretty cold-blooded to shoot a woman holding her child, huh?
Starting point is 00:09:34 Yes, it is. It sure is. Especially point-blank. I mean, it's just right there. Shook people up, huh? It did. Sure did. People thought there was a killer on the loose. Did you know the people who lived here? Yes, I did. Very familiar with him. Know Billy and his sister from the time they were small. Billy Payne's sister, Tracy, told me she is still. still struggling with losing her brother. I was shocked, but I thought that wasn't true.
Starting point is 00:10:00 You know, I just, I don't know, it's like impossible. I still don't think it's true. Everybody liked Billy. Billy was one of these type of people that was out going and was friends with everybody. He liked to get together with friends. Go four-wheeling with your truck into mountains and, you know, do stuff like that. Go camping. Billy worked at Parkdale Mills, a textile factory, as a machine operator.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Billy Jean Hayworth, who was a few years younger than Billy Payne, she started working at Parkdale and that's where Billy Payne and Billie Jean met. They started dating. It was a good person, fun loving, outgoing, kind of person everybody want to be around. She likes swimming. All big outdoors. She's a little. The romance moves quickly.
Starting point is 00:10:53 In no time at all, Billy Jean moves in with Billy and his father, and a short time later, she gives birth to baby Tyler. She was so excited. He was her world. This glow she had about her when he came into the world was just unbelievable. She told me the night before she got murdered. She was happy. Her son met the world to her. And Bill did too. She said, sis, I'm in love. She finally found out what love really was. I got a phone call telling me that she was gone. Somebody shot her. And I just can't believe it.
Starting point is 00:11:49 I was shocked. You just don't ever think of something like it happened until your baby sister. It was one of the hardest days of my life. Nobody should have to go through finding out that their friends have been murdered. So who would want to murder a young family like this? At this point, police are desperate for any clues.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Were you able to glean very much forensic evidence from this scene? There is very little. It was a very clean scene as far as, you know, physical evidence goes. So no prints, no shell casings, no DNA left behind. Not that we found no, sir. It was because whenever the suspects entered the house, they didn't do anything else. They did not go through the drawers, the closets.
Starting point is 00:12:57 The wallets were all left in their places. Some money was laying around. It was left just as it was. So nothing was taken from the residence. Investigators at the scene don't find any shell casings, which leads them to believe that the murder weapon was a revolver. But they do find two bullets there. Billy Jean was laying in the floor in a semi-feetal position.
Starting point is 00:13:24 To me, it looked as if she was bending over to pick up her child from the bouncy seat and was shot at that point. I guess as the bullet landed, in the bouncing seat. It was amazing. You would think that we would have to, you know, look for the bullet in the room, either in a wall or something,
Starting point is 00:13:45 but it was just laying right there. And the bullet was still in good shape. A bullet recovered from Billy's pillow is also mostly intact. That bullet has an X carved into its tip. This is a technique that's used to craft what is sometimes called a poor man's hollow point.
Starting point is 00:14:05 the man's hollow point. The idea is that the bullet would break apart upon impact and cause even more damage. And you never found the murder weapon or the knife that apparently slipped the throat. Neither one. My impression after, you know, the first week was, it looked like a hit.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Like a contract hit. Right. They either had some training or they were self-taught. We didn't know. You know, we initially started questioning family and friends. Billy's father tells investigators that when he leaves for work at about 5.30 that morning, Billy is still sleeping and Billy Jean is feeding the baby. Bill Payne would always ride with a guy to work.
Starting point is 00:14:52 And that morning, he went up and knocked on the door, but no one would come to the door. So he just figured that, you know, he wasn't going to go to work, so he just left and went on to work. And that was sometime around maybe six o'clock or so. Now police have isolated a half-hour window when they believe the murder happened, but they still need to find out who did it. The first day when we were talking to friends, other victims, someone had mentioned that there was some kind of altercation or grievance. If someone had let you see everything that had gone on,
Starting point is 00:15:28 defriending each other on Facebook and they're talking and saying nasty things about each other, would you ever have imagined that it would have wound up with two people dead in this house? No. In 2012, the small town of Mountain City is very online. A lot of people know about everything that goes on here because of, you know, Facebook. Back in 2012, there was Facebook, but there was a now defunct website called Topics. Topics became a big deal in Johnson County. Where people can go on there and make their own topic and have discussions,
Starting point is 00:16:14 and it's usually confined to different areas. Around here, it's very popular. I hear it's very popular. One of the biggest users of topics and other social media sites in Mountain City is a 30-year-old Janelle Potter, who will become a key player in this murder mystery. So let's start off in the beginning. Where did you grow up? I grew up in Connecticut Square, Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Mo is it like? It was nice. Small town. Not everyone pretty much know everybody. They moved to Mountain City from Pennsylvania in the early 2000s. From all accounts, Janelle was someone who didn't really leave the house very much. She lived most of her life online. The Potter family was known pretty well in Johnson County as keeping to themselves and just being a little weird.
Starting point is 00:17:08 They didn't really interact with a lot of people. They didn't work. It seemed very, very, like a very paranoid family. Janelle's father, Marvin, also goes by the name Now, Buddy's a Vietnam vet who says he did covert missions for the CIA. His wife Barbara admits she doesn't exactly know what he did overseas. Was he ever in the CIA or attached to the CIA? He said he was.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Is he allowed to talk about what he did? No. Never. I just saw him as a gentle giant. Buddy's a gentle giant who's on disability. He suffers from debilitating back pain and periodically relies on oxygen tanks to breathe, but he still sees himself as the protector of this family. My understanding of Janelle and why she was still living with her parents is that she had
Starting point is 00:18:01 some learning disabilities that were diagnosed pretty early in her life. Buddy and Barbara are protective and they barely let their daughter out of their sight. What were the rules? What kind of rules were they? Don't be out past, you know, 12 o'clock at night. No smoking, no drinking, no party and no drugs, stuff like that. Tell me about you now. Very naive, can make decisions sometimes that aren't quite right for her, because she's young. She's young in her mind, more young than her age, I think.
Starting point is 00:18:36 You know. Her parents had a lot of control over her. She was not allowed to use their computer unmonitored. She was not allowed to use her cell phone unmonitored. She wasn't allowed to have friends over socially to be around people in person. people in person without them getting in good with Buddy and Barbara beforehand. So this forced Janelle to seek out relationships online. Janelle also suffers from chronic health issues which keep her indoors most of the
Starting point is 00:19:04 time. Janelle did have some interactions in real life and these photos presented in court showed Janelle with new friends Billy Payne and his sister Tracy. I worked at the pharmacy in town and they were coming in there and you. her medicine and we felt sorry for Janelle because she was sheltered because she was sick. So I got to talking to my brother about these people that had come in. She gave me her phone number and I started calling her. Tell me about your relationship with Tracy.
Starting point is 00:19:34 It was a good, she was a good friend to me. I would go out with her to the mall to her house a few times, out to eat, took her son different places. Um, we were okay. What did you think of Bill? He was nice. Just nice? Mm-hmm. But Janelle says she's also being cyber bullied.
Starting point is 00:20:00 And hateful anonymous comments begin appearing on her Facebook page. Soon this war of words explodes online between Janelle and Billy Jean Hayworth, who Janelle accuses of starting that online feud. What was her relationship like with Billy Jean? Oh, she hated her. the get-go. She had call her all kinds of bad names. Now at one point did they unfriend you on Facebook? I think we did it to each other. I unfriended them. They unfriended me. Who unfriended who first? I did Bill first and I think Billy did me and I unfriended her. But Janelle says the
Starting point is 00:20:41 online venom keeps coming and escalates to physical threats. Janelle's mother, Barbara, intervenes. I wrote, please, do not write these things. I begged them, please don't do this. What kinds of things were people saying about you? Just that I was a bad person. I was horrible. Threatened to get raped. Threatening to get hurt.
Starting point is 00:21:11 Must have been pretty scary. Yes. But why would people say this about you? I don't know. What started all this hatred? I'm not sure. And those are the exact same questions. Police want to ask the Potters the day after Janelle's Facebook friends turned foes are murdered.
Starting point is 00:21:39 The Potters, they live right, they lived right up here. So this is the house? This is the house. And you told them this is a conversation, this is no search warrant? Right. This is just something, just to get some interviews, just to sit down and talk about what type of problems that they all had with each other. Hey. Hey.
Starting point is 00:21:57 How you doing that? Unknown to the Potters, what are you talking about? Unknown to the Potters, investigators record the interview. What we're doing right now is investigating the Dohawks. Very serious matter. Everybody always points a finger at us or something. No, there isn't nobody pulling their fingers. Instead of talking about how tragic the murders were,
Starting point is 00:22:20 instead of talking about what an outrage it was, the Potter family, especially Janelle, just started trashing on Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth. They've been harassed me in my driveway on our property. And then yesterday morning when I got on Facebook is when I found out. And, I mean, I'm sorry it happened. I mean, that's all I could tell you is they have been harassing the living. Why would they be harassing?
Starting point is 00:22:54 It came out to be a jealousy thing. They said I was too pretty. Buddy and Barbara Potter definitely saw their daughter as a victim. They saw the Facebook posts, they saw the emails that were sent back and forth. They really thought that people were out to rape her, people were out to kill her. You never put on the internet that you wished that they were dead? No. No.
Starting point is 00:23:16 No. I'm not that mean. I just don't want to believe me. That's all I've ever asked. What did you come away with? you come away with? I have nothing to do with it. I had it, did not have anything to do with it at all.
Starting point is 00:23:32 And so were you really suspicious when you walked away from that house? We were suspicious, yes. Why are investigators suspicious? Because Janelle brings up another person who is involved in this online feud. I stood, my father, with Jamie Roboth. We had talked to some of the other people, and they had heard Jamie Curd had threatened to cut Billy Payne's throat. Today I want to tell you about an exciting new deal from our friends at Cozy Earth.
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Starting point is 00:26:09 they ask about a local man named Jamie Kerrude. It's Jamie. He's just a friend. He's just a friend. He's just a friend. He's a friend of our family. Yeah. He's a friend of all of us to me.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Jamie Curd was from Johnson County. I had lived there his whole life. He was a pretty solitary guy, kept to himself. Every time you see him, he's always wearing sunglasses. He says that the sun always bothers his eyes. Jamie Curd was Billy's second cousin. Jamie had grown up with Billy. They were more like brothers and cousins.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Jamie, like Billy Payne, like Billy Pay. like Billy Payne and Billy Jean worked at Parkdale Mills. And like Billy, he's brought into Janelle's orbit thanks to Tracy, who set the shy Janelle up with her cousin. So why did you think this set up Jamie and Janelle? Well, Jamie didn't have a girlfriend, and she really didn't have a boyfriend. So we just, that's the only two.
Starting point is 00:27:08 I mean, they didn't look like they'd go together by no means. Why not? Well, Jamie was sort of rough-looking, you know, greasy. She was neat, so. Jamie also moonlights fixing home computers around town. The Potters. Use Jamie as a person to come and fix their computers whenever something was wrong, which would give Janelle a reason to be able to see Jamie.
Starting point is 00:27:34 And when Jamie was there, Janelle would be allowed to go into the computer room and talk to Jamie and be around Jamie. So Jamie and Janelle got closer and closer. But the Potters didn't want Janelle dating, and they certainly didn't want Janelle dating Jamie. Janelle's mom and dad did not approve of Jamie. So Jamie was in love with her, so Jamie had purchased her a cell phone, and he would come here, bring it, and hide it in the bushes, and she would come and get it. They started talking some. I believe that they would text message and instant message back and forth.
Starting point is 00:28:09 They used email frequently. this undercover relationship between Jamie Kurd and Janelle just kept growing and growing. You and Jamie got pretty serious at one point. Yes. How often would you talk? Every day. For long periods? For an hour, two hours at a time.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Wow. What would you talk about? Our day, I don't know he would tell me about his life. I would tell him about mine. In typo-filled messages, Janelle tells Jamie, you will always be in my life. I will always love you, and you're not just a part of me. You are all of me. Janelle even signs the message, your wife.
Starting point is 00:28:54 But when police ask Janelle about her relationship with Jamie, she lies. Jamie kind of like your boyfriend? No. No, he's just a really different. They want to be your boyfriend? I'm just like a really good friend to him. But police have evidence that shows that's not true. We located photographs and a cell phone and the photographs show them kissing at one point.
Starting point is 00:29:31 What did you think of Jamie? I'm nice to everybody. He told me how he worked on computers. He could build him from the bottom up. He did more than work on your computer. He worked on your daughter too. Yeah, and I didn't know that for a long time, that he was interested in her or vice versa. It was secret.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Police also know that Jamie got dragged into this online feud, and his feelings for Janelle pit Jamie against his own cousin. Janelle convinced Jamie that Billy Jane Hayworth and Billy Payne were targeting Janelle and sending her death threats, threatened to rape her, threatened to kill her. He started having problems with Billie King Hayworth and Billy Payne were targeting Janelle and sending her. started having problems with Billy Payne at work. They had got into an argument down there, and some of the people had heard Jamie say something about slicing his throat. Billy's throat had been slashed, so yes, that's the reason that we brought Jamie Curti. We just asked him, hey, would you take a polygraph?
Starting point is 00:30:31 And sure enough, he said that he would. didn't go very well. Jamie is more involved with Janelle than what he was letting on to us. Just have to see through. Jamie? Okay. So that's whenever Agent Locke and Agent Hannah basically confronted him about the deception of some of the answers of the questions.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Jamie, of those 11 questions, which ones do you think you have the most reaction? You can tell he's nervous. We confront him with the results of the polygraph, you can tell that he is apprehensive about talking. I think you had there, I hear people messing with Janelle. People ain't going to mess with my girl no more. She's not my girl. You may say that out loud, but you know what your heart is different.
Starting point is 00:31:26 We sort of, you know, asking the same questions, you know, what's your all's relationship? What's yours and Janelle's relationship? And, you know, he kept on saying they were friends. It's you. But you can't just throw it. You made that statement, and I know you need. But eventually, Jamie changes his tune, and he starts singing. Jamie finally admitted that he went to the house.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Who shot? He who. I'm sorry? Jamie said that he was involved in it. He didn't do much, but he had told us that Buddy had been the one to have shot the two people. And he said something about on the lines that, you know, he was the one that did the cutting of the neck. Jamie was formally charged on the 7th of February. We put him back in the cell.
Starting point is 00:32:41 He wasn't going anywhere. Now that Jamie's on the hook, he agrees to help reel in his alleged partner in the double murder, Janelle's father, Marvin Buddy Potter. We asked Jamie if he made a phone call to Marvin. if Margaret would admit to anything during that phone call. He said, I think he might. It's a time to mourn. It's a time to mourn in Mountain City, Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:33:23 Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth are laid to rest. The murdered couple survived only by their infant son. I'm just a shock today over my friends Bill and Billy Jean Lose. in her life over someone who created her own hell. Days later, Jamie Curd confesses and ID's the killer as Buddy Potter. Investigators then have Kurt call Potter, hoping he'll incriminate himself.
Starting point is 00:33:51 We never did really find the weapon that was used to kill Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth. We took Buddy Potter's statement that he took care of it to mean that he'd gotten rid of the murder weapons. With Jamie locked up, it's back to the Potter house. But this time, but he's not so welcoming to investigators. We knew he had a weapon. And at one point, we thought he made a gesture to us.
Starting point is 00:34:40 What kind of gesture? She's like he's going to do like this and we grabbed his arm. My father hugged on us and treated us like we were angels. He was a very protective father. And at all cost, he was going to protect his wife and daughter. Down at the sheriff's office, Buddy, who's in jeans, a red sweatshirt and handcuffs, settles in to an easy chair for some hard talk with that pair of TVI agents. You know why you're easy, right?
Starting point is 00:35:16 Yeah, I'm assuming. Why do you think? That somebody's told you I'm the one who killed somebody. But Buddy Potter is no Jamie Kerrd. Here's the thing. Why can I? We've been investigating this case. We don't think you kill.
Starting point is 00:35:35 We know you killed. Okay. I didn't. Wait a second. And that's not just a gas. It's not a gut feeling. It's a no, okay? We know.
Starting point is 00:35:45 That's fine. I didn't kill him. I did not kill Billy Ping. I'm not going to admit something I didn't do. He denied everything. And we pressed him, impressed him, impressed him, and pressed him. Some partner's killing. Protect your family.
Starting point is 00:36:02 I'm protecting my family, start with, but I did not do this. Tell me what happened. Tell me what happened. I don't know. The agents repeatedly assure Buddy they understand how he must have felt. I believe you are sick and tired. The most precious person in your life, being attacked and harassed constantly.
Starting point is 00:36:30 I know that. Okay, ever since all this crap started, I've been, I've had my life threatened. My wife has been threatened. They've threatened to take you now, cut her head off. At one point, he starts to say, when people are threatening your daughter's life. When you hear people, life take you, catch your daughter, Get your daughter in the restroom and murder her. They wanted to rape her because she's a virgin.
Starting point is 00:37:14 Investigators are getting the sense that Buddy might be ready at last to confess. Just not to them. Special Agent Lott has an idea. I made the suggestion, Buddy, would you like to call Barbara and tell her first before you tell us? And he said, yes.
Starting point is 00:37:33 So we let him make a phone call to Barbara. Barbara? Yeah. Before you find out somebody else I want you to know, I was involved in it. I did it. What? Some of it. I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Because of what all they've been trying to do to you and you know, I just wanted to tell you first. He told Barbara, I did it. That's as close to a confession as we got from him. Her husband confessed to it. Yeah, but there's questions about that. So why would he admit to it? How would he confess? When they took him, they took no oxygen.
Starting point is 00:38:19 They took no medication. And they interviewed him for hours. When his oxygen gets low, he says things that don't make sense or are incorrect. Authorities beg to differ, saying even without his oxygen tank and medication, Potter was lucid and underemptory. and understood the questions. Now the question becomes who convinced Buddy Potter, his family was in danger. Why would your father go and shoot those two people?
Starting point is 00:38:49 I don't know. No idea? No idea. You said that your father is always protective of you. Yes, but I don't think he would kill over silly stuff like this. Authorities say it didn't seem silly to Buddy Potter. He very tearfully recounted that these people had put a bounty on his daughter's head,
Starting point is 00:39:18 that they had threatened to rape her, cut her up into pieces. And you could tell from the way he said that he believed it. When I found out that they had rested Marvin Potter and Jamie, I knew what it was over. It was over Janelle and the stuff that she had pretty much put in their heads. He said he was trying to protect you. He said that they had threatened that they would chop you up and raise you. you and kill you. Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Is that what you told him? Because they weren't telling him that directly. Somehow he had to be getting word that these people were going to do some grievous, serious harm to you. He would go in town and there was people that would tell him that there was people out to hurt me, to get me. Case closed, far from it. Buddy Potter and Jamie Kurt, according to investigators, they're not even the half of it.
Starting point is 00:40:14 started to realize that this is bigger than just Marvin Buddy Potter. This is something to do with the other people in this house. Exactly. Exactly. More mystery, more murderers, and now a mastermind. A new character enters the story, a purported CIA assassin. A lot of killing, a lot of killing people. All part of what prosecutors call the craziest, stupidest, deadliest catfishing scheme you have ever seen. This is where Billy Payne and Billy Jean are murdered in this house.
Starting point is 00:40:56 There's no calls. There's no calls. I'm either one of them. They're white. They're kids. I mean, this was one of the biggest, craziest things that had happened in years. You give him the pictures of the people that you say are taunting you. Hey, don't think he's going to do anything about it?
Starting point is 00:41:11 There only one other person there. Did you ever want Billy Jean and Bill Payne to die? No. Never. You didn't even want them dead? No. I didn't even want them hurt. It appeared that there was some type of conspiracy here.
Starting point is 00:41:23 They kept referring to a guy named Chris. Who is Chris? He was the I agent, tall, blonde hair and blue eyes. Jason Bourne. Did he ever talk about the kinds of things he did for work? He did. What were those things? A lot of killing people.
Starting point is 00:41:42 I think someone else was playing games with our minds, our computer, our life. There is nothing in your lives that has prepared you to understand the Potter family. If you had to describe Janelle and Barbara with one word, what would you use? Evil. That's what I would say evil. You can't do this. A person would take a revolver to a man who's sleeping and shoot him in the face and then go to a woman who's running away with a child and infant in her arms. Cold-blooded and he's not that.
Starting point is 00:42:26 He's not cold-blooded. The whole thing's so sad. I'm so sad they died. It's always bothered me, that it had to involve my family. This situation of two people being murdered in their own home was a great shock. And I think there was some relief once Marvin and Jamie were arrested. The shootings of Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth
Starting point is 00:42:51 seemed close to being solved. But, unlike horseshoes and hand grenades, close doesn't count in a murder case, and authorities are wondering whether all the killers have actually been caught. While Buddy Potter is interrogated, other investigators search the Potter home and pickup truck. I was left there along with other investigators
Starting point is 00:43:16 to conduct a search of the Potter residence in an attempt to look for ammunition, any type of fire-armes, of firearms that would be for a 38 special or a 9mm. They were searching the house. Yes, they did do that. Did they go into your room? No, they went to my parents' room first,
Starting point is 00:43:40 and then they went to the second bedroom that we had, where my dad would keep his clothes and his stuff, and then my room, and then the computer room. There's Deputy Joe Woodard, and a stunned-looking brink. stunned looking Barbara and Janelle Potter during the search. So did you notice anything odd in the house or anything unusual? Whenever the investigators went downstairs, there was a lot of firearms. We had rifles, shotguns, semi, I mean, it's just one of those.
Starting point is 00:44:12 An arsenal. An arsenal, basically, yes. Guns in the basement, guns in the bedroom, guns in the dresser drawer, and guns under the mattress. There's even an ammo belt on his oxygen tank. And knives. Lots of knives all over the house, even hanging from the antlers on the wall. The search also turns up pictures printed from Facebook, including one of the recently murdered Billy Jean Hayworth.
Starting point is 00:44:41 We even found pictures of the victims in the living room. You found pictures of the victims in the living room? Yes. Investigators say about seven months before. the murders, Janelle grabbed this photo of Billy Jean Hayworth from Facebook, emailed it to herself, then printed it off. The subject line, Billy Hoare. A printed out picture of Billy Jean Hayworth with the title, horror. Which is kind of an odd thing to find after someone has been murdered in their house holding their baby.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Exactly. You printed out a picture of her and wrote bitch across the top? No, my dad wanted pictures of who was bothering me. So you gave your dad pictures of the people who were bothering you? Yes. Why would you do that? He just wanted to know because if he was out or if someone who was harassed me, he would want to know who they were. Just then, Barbara Potter does something she will come to regret.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Barbara was sitting on the couch next to Chief Investigator Joe Woodard who was logging the evidence. At one point, Barbara Pippoorne, she was logging the evidence. picks up a stack of papers, looks at him. Then all of a sudden she ripped it in half. And I stopped her and I said, give me those pieces of paper. Why did you fold up the picture of Billy Jean? Try to hide it and tear it up? I didn't.
Starting point is 00:46:06 And I've tried to explain that over and over, but. You didn't do that? I was tired and I was kind of nervous. I said, well, I'm getting bored. You know, I just started doing that. Not thinking that there was even picture in there because I didn't know it was there. And then whenever I picked it up and it
Starting point is 00:46:22 I just made a little tear and I thought it was just trash. You didn't rip it in half. Authorities aren't buying it. They charge Barbara with tampering with evidence. They also sees what may have been Barbara and Janelle's fondest possession, the family computer. I believe there was just one desktop computer that they all used, Janelle and Barbara.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Marvin didn't get on the computer at all that I know. I don't think I've ever heard him say anything about being on the computer. Remember how the bullet that killed Billy had been scratched, marked with an X? Investigators find similar 38 caliber bullets in Buddy's pickup. Marvin had taken a knife and scratched X's into the tip of the bullet to basically create hollow points. Investigators also discovered something in the bed of Buddy's pickup that will prove to be even more incriminating in the long run. And not just for Buddy. They noticed several bags of shredded paper.
Starting point is 00:47:27 So they went ahead, closed everything back up, and the vehicle was then transported to the TBI lab in Knoxville, Tennessee. Those shreds of evidence leave investigators to a shadowy figure. They kept referring to a guy named Chris. That's supposedly a CIA operative or something. Who is Chris? I'm Keanu and I leveled up my business with Shopify. Once I figured out that Shopify was a thing, I never turned back.
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Starting point is 00:48:53 Spotify.com. Marvin Buddy Potter is in jail awaiting trial, and so is Janelle Potter's boyfriend Jamie Kerr. But the feeling in town and at the courthouse is that justice has not been fully served. I blame Janelle. Immediately. Because I mean it was her fault. She was the one that we was friends with and she was the one I started to lies.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Janelle should have been held just as accountable as them. Billie Jean's sisters, Beverly and Janie say, even before the murders, they believed Janelle was the troublemaker. Jealousy, attention, she had attention get her, and like, sis, you know, she would do the same thing to Billy Jean. She would follow them around all the time.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Billy would call me and she'd like, Janelle's behind me. There she is again. I mean, it's constantly. If you had to describe Janelle and Barbara with one word, what would you use? Evil. That's what I would say evil. It was several months after the arrest of Jamie and Buddy that I came into the case.
Starting point is 00:50:11 I knew there was some thought in the community that the women were behind the killings, but they hadn't been charged. I think that Janelle and Barbara were the ringle leaders. I think they were the ones that were the manipulators. And I think they convinced Marvin and Jamie to do something awful to Bill and Billy Jean, and they followed through with it. Early on, we wanted to charge Barbara and Janelle, but really didn't have enough. We mentioned yesterday about Potter's daughter. She was in court today as an observer, although she has not been charged with any crime at this point. Prosecutors say she is at the center of this investigation.
Starting point is 00:50:48 They say she is the common link to all of the parties involved. Throughout the investigation, Buddy maintained that Barbara and Janelle really didn't have anything to do with the homicides, that he acted unilaterally in an attempt to protect his family. Now, investigators take note of Barbara Potter's conversation with Jamie Kerr when he made that phone call to the house after his confession. Whenever Jamie had called their residence, Barbara was the one that first answered the phone. Did it go all right? Yeah. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:26 And they just let you go, and that's it, it's over. Yeah. Well, that's wonderful. We've been praying our hearts out. You know, you saw an angel a day. Come in the computer room. And I said, oh, that's good. We've all been praying so hard.
Starting point is 00:51:43 And, you know, she was asking, how did the polygraph go? Did you have a lie detector? Yeah. And you passed it. Yeah. Well, that's wonderful. I'm so good, honey. And investigators are even more suspicious of Barbara's reaction when her husband calls and confesses to murder.
Starting point is 00:52:06 After his confession, he made a recorded phone call to his wife, Barbara, where he told her that I did it. I killed them. Before you find out somebody else, I want you to know, I was involved in it. I did it. on the fence. And immediately, Barbara turns into Mama Bear saying, oh no, honey, you didn't. You were right here the whole time. Tell them that you didn't do it. I saw you.
Starting point is 00:52:37 There's no way you could have done it. You were right here next to me all night. You don't have no rest and you don't have your office. I know. Not yourself right now. I know. It's all right. I just, it don't matter no more.
Starting point is 00:52:51 Have the nurse trust you? No. They said a nurse of checking you need to tell her what meds you're on and your oxygen and all that. But you need to say, you know, you're not yelling, you're not yelling. And that's that. I don't think she was really shocked. It's just like, I think if she was shocked, she was probably shocked that he told.
Starting point is 00:53:17 But I don't think that she was shocked that he had done it, because in my mind, I think she knew that he did it. I don't know that he did it. As far as I know, he was in my home all night. He was in that lounge chair asleep. Not in bed, though. He sat up at night, every night, because of what was happening. And when I woke up at 7 o'clock, he was in bed. I thought he was in a lounge chair.
Starting point is 00:53:44 He came to bed. I didn't hear him come to bed. She was telling Marvin that you didn't have anything to do with it. I saw you. You were here. She was trying to say that. She was trying to convince him that, no, you didn't do this. She was trying to convince him that, no, you didn't do this.
Starting point is 00:54:08 I didn't say, you know that I had that sick. No. No. You just say not dead, but they're not. You're here. I saw you. In that call, Janelle also encourages her father to claim he's innocent. Are you okay?
Starting point is 00:54:30 No, Janelle. I've been so excited. Honey, don't worry about it. You just take care of yourself. Hey, but this isn't right. You didn't do anything you were here. I'm fine. You have to go through this.
Starting point is 00:54:52 In 2013, Buddy Potter is found guilty of the murders of Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth, getting two consecutive life sentences. If Barbara and Janelle know more than they're saying, authorities suspect those three trash bags found in Buddy's pickup could contain a shredded paper trail. We took those shredded documents, one of our agents, spent a month of her life, taping those back together. And what they were, were printouts of emails, printouts of instant messages, printouts of pictures from Facebook. Emails from Barbara, emails from Janelle.
Starting point is 00:55:30 Authority said that Buddy Potter didn't have much use for the computer. So they said that Barbara would pull the Family Protector into the online war of words by printing out the alarming emails and social media posts and anything she wanted him to see. Barbara tells Buddy about everything that goes on and sort of gets him all upset because Janelle's upset because he's afraid somebody's going to hurt But some of those emails also talk about murder. You know, they talked about killing Billy, killing Billy Jean. It appeared that there was some type of conspiracy here.
Starting point is 00:56:08 They kept referring to a guy named Chris. That's supposedly a CIA operative or something. Who was Chris? I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. When Jamie Curd was interviewed at the end, he asked. Here's the CIA here.
Starting point is 00:56:31 CIA? CIA. Very strange question to me. I'm just about the CIA. I had certainly never experienced anything like this in my career to that point, and I can say a decade later that I haven't seen anything else like it since. We knew that they had to be looking at a computer somewhere
Starting point is 00:56:56 because they're the type that's always got to be doing something on a computer. We are going to the library right now. right in the middle of town. Law enforcement isn't ready to close the book on the murders of Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth. Investigators follow Barbara and Janelle photographing their Ford Explorer outside. So we made contact with the library,
Starting point is 00:57:22 and the library said that they usually came here. So they called us whenever they were here. The Johnson County Sheriff Department did keep an eye on the Potter women, and there is surveillance. And there is surveillance video of them going to the local library. They videotaped them at setting at these two computers, and they got them as they walked through. And they even went and was shining at the key fob camera through the books, just so that we could see what they were doing each.
Starting point is 00:57:59 They were logging onto topics, logging into their email, logging on to Facebook, and just continuing this narrative of just Janelle being a victim. Not a crime, but evidence, investigators say, of how obsessed these two women are with what people are saying about them online, even after two people have been murdered. It shows Janelle has to have a computer to know what's going on and, you know, what are they saying about her?
Starting point is 00:58:29 That way she can reply back. And now enters one of the spookiest characters ever to appear in a murder investigation. His name is Chris. After we did subpoenas and search warrants and got emails, instant message records, text message records, we started seeing this name Chris pop up. Barbara is talking back and forth to supposedly a CIA agent named Chris. When Jamie Kerr makes his confession, everything's done. There's silence in the room and Jamie just all of a sudden asked,
Starting point is 00:59:10 I've got one question I need to ask you. And they go, what's that? Is the CIA here? CIA? No. Mike and Scott were sort of shocked by, you know, where did that even come from? The officers had no idea what he was talking about. I just about the CIA.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Because they said he works for him. He assumed and probably hoped that the CIA was on the other side of that door ready to, take this case away from the TBI and set him free. Who is Chris? He was CIA agent, tall, blonde hair and blue eyes. Jason Bourne. What kind of stuff did he do? He said he was down here to protect me, protect my parents.
Starting point is 01:00:03 He communicated with them through Janelle's email account, through her Facebook. They were as tight as could be. and they were close. Barbara would receive emails from this guy, Chris, but the emails were still coming from Janelle Potter's email address. Do you find it odd that Chris was written from your personal account? That all those emails were written from your personal account?
Starting point is 01:00:33 Yes. And you never noticed that? You never asked the question. And all of that correspondence, there's not a single question. Hey, why is this person writing for my account? Yes, I never showed up, but yes, I had asked how. Who? I emailed him through my email, and I said, you know, how did you get my screen name, password?
Starting point is 01:00:57 I changed my password lots of times. I've done everything. It really does seem like bad fantasy fiction. A secret agent mixed up in a small town drama falling for a damsel in distaste. He would never show up in person. I would ask him to come over or meet me. Nothing. How'd you feel about him? Well, he was a friend. I mean, he wasn't just her friend. He was...
Starting point is 01:01:20 From the emails that I read, it seemed like you guys were very, very intimate. We weren't. Actually, he told my mom he wanted to marry me at one point. Janelle says this, Chris, seems to know her as well as she knows herself. He would say things like, well, I saw you today, and he would tell me what I was wearing, what I was doing, how my hair was, and I was like, okay, this is weird. Uncanny. He's really weird. Chris even emails Jamie Curd via Janelle's account, gushing about Janelle. She just put up some new picks on Facebook.
Starting point is 01:02:01 You might want to look. She is cute. And love advice, tips on how to be a best. better boyfriend to Janelle. There were some Chris emails out there where Chris would suggest, why don't you get Janelle to go out with you tonight and take her out somewhere? Here's romantic tradecraft.
Starting point is 01:02:21 CIA Chris probably did not pick up at Langley, but he offers it to Jamie. Make sure you have candles and a card, make the bed really pretty, and just love on her. She is a wonderful, sweet, caring girl. But Chris also has a cold streak and he's supposedly a bloodthirsty assassin. Did he ever talk about the kinds of things he did for work? He did.
Starting point is 01:02:49 What were those things? A lot of killing, a lot of killing people. CIA Chris claims he's monitoring Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth. Has their house bug, phones tapped, says he knows they're up to no good. He was watching these people. He said that we're harassing her on the computer. He would say how upset he was. You know, why would anyone want to mistreat me? He got mad. Yes.
Starting point is 01:03:17 How mad did he get? He got mad. I mean, he got really mad. He wanted to hurt everybody. Who specifically did he want to hurt? I think it was Bill, Billy, Jean, everyone who was picking on me. Anyone that picked on me he was after. after. The email show CIA Chris is angry. Authorities say he and Barbara talk about settling scores. And this was actually in the shredded documents that were found in the truck. She writes to Chris,
Starting point is 01:03:52 Bud is so mad and I'm 100% behind whatever happens. You guys meet when you are ready, Chris. Maybe Bud can use CIA guns, et cetera, for his protection. Get the jobs done, you know. They all need to go and the ones left need to be given a big scare as they watch and wonder, am I next? That's chilling. The job is obviously the murderer. Absolutely. Job needs to get done.
Starting point is 01:04:20 Absolutely. But Bud can't do it by himself. He needs CIA guns with him. At this point, identifying this fantastic character, CIA Chris, becomes key to closing this murder case. Who is Chris? Is Jamie Kurd, Chris? Janelle?
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Starting point is 01:06:13 because I'm very sick. They threw rocks at the house. I was calling the police a lot. They even throw rocks in the yard there just to leave a message with Billy Jean's name on it, with Bill's name on it. Their guardian angel, CIA, Chris, seems to be missing in action. But when authorities take a closer look at the computer seized from the Potter House, they have a eureka moment. And that's because the IP address on Chris's emails leads back to only one place. Every one of them pointed straight back to Barbara and Janelle's home address. It was the same IP address, meaning that the emails were all generated at that house. Authorities develop a theory that Janelle's a sort of Kaiser Sosei of the keyboard.
Starting point is 01:06:59 Remember him from the movie The Usual Sussex? I work for Kaiser Soze. There is no Kaiser Soze. Creating the identity of Chris to con those closest to her and convince them that she's in danger and needs help. Once we started looking at the communication, between the Potter family, between Chris, between Jamie Kerr. That's when we started building the case against Barbara and Janelle.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Investigators have their theory, but no definitive proof. At least, not until the Potter women show up at the sheriff's office to file complaints of harassment. That's when authorities devise a test. I had them typeout statements so that we can see how Barbara writes and see how Janelle writes. The reports that they made about this alleged they made about this alleged harassment, the word choice, the spelling, the grammar, the punctuation
Starting point is 01:07:52 was compared against these emails. And it was interesting that this Chris character had the same spelling mistakes, had the same grammar mistakes as Janelle. That's when the pieces started falling into place. Authorities believe that Janelle wrote messages as Chris to her mother Barbara that falsely reported threats of rape and murder by the victims. Barbara would take this information and show it to buddy, buddy look. Look what they're trying to do to Janelle. Look what they're trying to do. And finally they just pushed him to his limit.
Starting point is 01:08:25 Marvin Potter and Barbara Potter truly believed these people were out to harm Janelle. They really thought that people were out to kill her. She knew exactly what to do to get to her mom. She knew exactly what to do to get to her dad. Janelle manipulated everybody that she dealt with. Janelle was writing these Chris emails. Janelle was pretending to be the CIA agent. She was masterminding a murder conspiracy.
Starting point is 01:08:53 The events that she set into motion ultimately resulted in the death of two innocent people. So she's catfishing her mom from the same house from the same computer. It's hard to believe that you could do that from the same house. This is the worst catfishing I've ever heard of. Yeah. I mean it's beyond absurd. In all catfish cases, it's... At some point, the victim of the catfishing is guilty of some degree of being naive.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Barbara has no idea that Janelle is using the same computer and her own email address to create the fictitious Chris. She bought it hookline and sinker. I don't think she created anyone. I think someone else was playing games with our minds, our computer, our life. But Janelle's mother, Barbara, is about to go from naive. to nefarious. And in the email exchanges with Chris, it sure sounds like she really wants Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth dead. In one email, Barbara writes, we've had enough. No one wants to kill anyone, but we will. Why did you write to Chris that you wanted them dead?
Starting point is 01:10:07 I didn't. Yeah, you did from these emails. Well, you can believe those emails if you want. I never want anyone dead, and I would never plan a murder. That is not me. And you're right, I will kill if I have to, not just hurt, but kill. That's not me. That is not me. Barbara says someone hacked into her email, but authorities don't buy it. They say that her writing style from the harassment complaints matches what's in the emails to Chris.
Starting point is 01:10:38 The more I studied, then the more I realize these crimes do not happen without these two women prodding these men along. A year and a half after the murders of Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth, Barbara Potter and her 32-year-old daughter, Janelle, are under arrest for murder. We finally got the word from the DA to go ahead and arrest. A mother and daughter charged with murder. Accused of killing the Johnson County couple. Barbara and Janelle Potter are charged with first-degree murder of Bill Payne Jr. and Billy Jean-Haworth. I jump for joy. I think I said, hallelujah, about time.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Authorities claim Janelle's motive for Christ. creating Chris was jealousy. If Janelle couldn't have Billy Payne, nobody could. Janelle had a crush on Bill Payne, and the Chris emails start after Billy Jean Hayworth moves in with Bill Payne and gets pregnant. Chris would talk about the baby, baby Tyler. They would call him that damn baby.
Starting point is 01:11:37 That baby needs to die. No one talks that way about an infant, other than a woman, perhaps, who is jealous that that's not her infant. Janelle is behind bars at the Johnson County Jail in 2015 when she and her attorney sat down for an interview with me about the case. You don't have any responsibility for the murder of Billy Payne and Billy Jane. No. None.
Starting point is 01:12:08 No. But you hated them. No, I didn't. You hated them enough to tell your father that they were really torturing you. And you must have hated them if what you say is true that they were harassing you time after time. I didn't hate them. I just disliked them. I wanted to quit. I wanted the harassment to stop. I went through a lot with them. But I never wished them dead. I never wanted them dead. And then I bring up Chris. Chris was you. You or Chris. You invented him. No, I didn't.
Starting point is 01:12:38 He didn't. No. Just happened to be from your email, happened to know all the most intimate details about you. And it just so happened. The only emails Chris has ever written are exclusively about No, because he was writing to my mom and he was writing to Jamie. Of course, from your computer with your fingertips. It was from your IP address, from your email address. I don't think we're going to get into that. Everything leads back to Chris. Chris apparently created this scenario.
Starting point is 01:13:09 She stated she's not Chris and that's what she maintains. I can't do this. Janelle Potter shuts down in tears and walks out of our interview. out of our interview. Janelle may deny the authorities' allegations that she is Chris and that she's behind the online threats. But when this case actually does go to trial, you're never going to believe who shows up. My name is Christopher Jaden. Turns out Chris isn't total fiction. In the Johnson County community, there is an immense amount of anticipation for this trial. I mean, this was one of the biggest, craziest things that had happened in years.
Starting point is 01:13:54 The interest in it never really died down. The trial of a mother and daughter charged with murder for the 2012 deaths of a Johnson County couple underway right now in Jonesboro. The biggest factors in Barbara and Janelle's trial was making the jury understand that all of this drama was being driven by Janelle. It was about Janelle, by Janelle, for Janelle. There is nothing in your lives that has prepared you to understand the Potter family. Investigators realize that there are even more people than they thought caught up in Janelle's web.
Starting point is 01:14:35 Turns out Janelle does know a real person named Chris. We were able to get Chris Jaden, the real Chris, to come down to court. My name is Christopher Jaden. We determined what Chris Jaden was a guy. that Janelle went to high school with. She was, you know, one of those kids that, which is very strange. Ends up, he was a police officer in Delaware.
Starting point is 01:15:00 When we ask him directly, do you work for the CIA? And him saying no, I think that that kind of put a face on the faceless CIA threat that Janelle always had in her back pocket. But Cameron Heider, who represented Janelle, tried to present her as not capable of doing something like that. of doing something like this. She is not capable of directing anyone to commit murder. It's just not in her.
Starting point is 01:15:26 Janelle's defense attorney even called an expert to testify about Janelle's level of intelligence. Very severely impaired. She may be operating on a fourth grade level, but she's got a Ph.D. in manipulation. Even kids can manipulate their
Starting point is 01:15:44 parents, and she did it to the hilt. She always had my parents to go to and if she had promised they went to school and went to a pair of it. Would you say that she was intelligent? She was more intelligent than people gave her credit for. In what way? Manipulative.
Starting point is 01:16:00 So she wasn't good at schoolwork, but she was good at working people. Yes. Especially her parents. Yes. It's very difficult for Barbara to discern what is fact and what's fiction. She has been catfish. Prosecutors say that despite Barbara being entangled in Janelle's manipulation, she still bears responsibility for the murders. And prosecutors have found evidence that they say shows
Starting point is 01:16:24 that Barbara knew exactly what was going to happen to Billy Payne and Billy Jean Hayworth. She had emailed herself a link to a Billy Graham article saying, Can God Forgive a murderer? A couple weeks before the murders, you had searched, Can God forgive a murderer? No, I didn't. That's not me. No, I did not.
Starting point is 01:16:47 I saw that in court and I said, where did that come from? Why would I do that? I don't want anybody murdered. Today, the state called six witnesses to the stand, one of which we've been anticipating all week, Mr. Jamie Kerr. We had worked out a plea deal with Jamie Kerr in exchange for his cooperation. I can't kill nobody. I mean, having a gun and being able to use it's two things. Looking back on it, do you feel like you've been manipulated anyway by our family?
Starting point is 01:17:16 Yes. If you're wanting the case to be, everyone's sitting around a table, mapping out how they're going to go do the killing. You know, we never had that. Our belief was that cozying up to Jamie was an effort to get Jamie conditioned to assist Buddy. Jamie Kurt ultimately pleaded guilty to facilitation of first-degree murder and received two concurrent sentences of 25 years. It's a story of a manufactured conflict born out of the mind of a very bored, lonely, 30-year-old woman. One thing that was very telling about Janelle being involved in the preparation for the killing is the text messaging she does with Jamie up through the morning. She's telling Jamie, leave your cell phone at home.
Starting point is 01:18:08 His messages on there, you know, showed Dad's starting to truck and he's on his way. And then all of a sudden the text messaging ends. And presumably around 5 in the morning, buddy picks up Jamie and they drive over there. So that, to me, linked her knowing exactly what was going to happen. Where's the evidence? Easy to say, hard to prove. This was an act of an overprotective father who went way too far. My client is not culpable. Marvin Potter is behind bars and is fully culpable for these homicides, as is Jamie Kurt.
Starting point is 01:18:55 This may have been more than what Barbara or Janelle intended, but that doesn't change what they did. That doesn't change how they manipulated Buddy Potter and Jamie Kerr into. taking this drastic, horrible action. The evidence in this case has been completed. It has now managed to instruct you as to the law. It was up to a jury to decide whether this duo, Janelle Potter, and Barbara Potter, were capable of plotting a double murder.
Starting point is 01:19:27 Now the jury must deliberate the Potter women's fate. The families of the victims were in court today. It was just like, you're sitting there on pins and needles. And now, family loyalties begin to fray. I'm not going to cover anybody else. Take care of myself right now. You wouldn't take a hit for your daughter? Less than 24 hours after closing arguments,
Starting point is 01:19:52 the jury delivers a verdict in Barbara and Janelle's double murder trial. The families of the victims were in court today. It was just like you're sitting there old pins and needles. It's been physically and emotionally exhausted. You will please bring the jury in, please? We, the jury, funded defendant, Janelle, honored. Guilty, the first degree murder. Barbara May Potter guilty, first-name murder.
Starting point is 01:20:20 Barbara and Janelle were both found guilty of two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. Barbara was also convicted of tampering with evidence. It's a relief that the people most responsible are going to be held accountable. It was hard. We have justice. This part's over, but it will never be ever. I think about it every day. every day. I know me. God knows me. Did you ever want Billy Jean and Bill Payne to die? No, never. You didn't even want them dead? No. It seems to me that you are either completely innocent and blame this in this, or you are an exquisite liar. Oh, wow. Well, what do you believe?
Starting point is 01:21:09 The victim's families have the last word at a sentencing hearing, with Billy Payne's mother addressing the potters directly. What were you willing to know if you're going to hell? Yeah, you're going to hell. And if I have to forgive any of humans, stay out of hell. I'll see you there. Janelle Potter, court here by sentence you to return of imprisonment for life. Barbara Potter, court here by sentence you to imprisonment for life.
Starting point is 01:21:39 Barbara Potter's post-conviction attorney was able to latch on to a conflict of interest that her trial counsel had. by representing both Barbara Potter and her husband. So she gets a new trial, it starts back from square one. Rather than go through all of that, she had requested to enter into a plea agreement. I have a clean conscience about having a part of this, but I'm a part of it because I've been pulled into it.
Starting point is 01:22:08 You wouldn't take a hit for your daughter? I love her, but I'm not going to serve life for her, no. So years after our conversation where Barbara insisted she was innocent, she finally admits guilt. I think of guilty. Barbara pleads guilty to facilitation of first-degree murder. Her original sentence was life without parole. This plea agreement changes that, making her eligible for parole.
Starting point is 01:22:34 Janelle and Buddy Potter also filed for appeal, but they were denied. This is a story that has shaken that little mountain town for over a decade now, and what remains etched in everyone's minds is the memories of the victims, Billy Payne and Billy Jean, and their infant son, Tyler. It's the little boy. Just thinking about him just breaks my heart. You're lucky in life to meet people who I think touch everybody they come in contact with. And that was Bill and Billy Jean. They were just always happy and loved life. And above all, the couple loved their son, Tyler. After the murders, he was taken in by his
Starting point is 01:23:20 maternal grandmother. He's now 12 years old. Meanwhile, Janelle's secret boyfriend and co-defendant Jamie Curd has now been released from prison on parole. He declined to be interviewed. That is a program for tonight. I'm David Muir. And I'm Deborah Roberts. From all of us here at 2020 and ABC News, good night. I'm Keanu and I leveled up my business with Shopify. Once I figured out that Shopify was a thing, I never turned back. I can create a site with my eyes closed. Shopify, think, ahead of us, you know, and it thinks about the customer more than anything. Every day I'm thinking about some other new business. But Shopify is doing it to me because it's so easy to use.
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