20/20 - Death in the Dorms Season 1: Episode 6: Katie Autry

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Police struggle for answers in the violent assault and death of WKU freshman Katie Autry.   Originally Aired 01/05/23 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices...

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Starting point is 00:01:00 We were very proud of Katie for going to college. She was actually the first member of our family that went. For my family, that's a major deal. What was initially thought to be a simple fire is turning into a mystery. All the students got out of few polling halls safely, except for one. It was apparent this did not happen, that this was done to her. And me at 16, I didn't really understand. This was a horrific, horrific crime. We were playing with a crime scene, not only dislocating this dorm,
Starting point is 00:01:42 but we were playing with a crime scene that spread the whole campus. She did matter. She mattered to a lot of people. What happened? What happened to Katie? I feel like I still need to fight for her. And I'll continue to do that as long as I'm breathing. My cousin Katie was born June 10th, 1984 in Rosin, Kentucky, which is where she spent most of her young childhood at.
Starting point is 00:02:41 I always looked up to Katie just in journal just because she was such a loving person. She loved so many people, she loved life, she was so happy all the time. Rosene Kentucky was, you know it sounds kind of cliche, but if you drive by and blink and miss it, it was one of those kinds of things. If you didn't know that you were within Rosene, you wouldn't register that you're in a town. It's just a stoplight. We grew up most of our early life there, What we call the home place, which is family land that's been in our family since like the early 1900s, is where my grandparents raised our parents and us.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Initially, Katie lived with her grandparents, Peggy and Debbie D. Autry, her mother, Donnie, and she has one sister, Lisa. Kati's my cousin and I'm about 11 years younger than her. My sister and Kati liked to play dress up with me whenever I was little. They enjoyed that. Kati was a very funny and sweet person. She couldn't stand for somebody to be around her and be down. She wanted to make them smile and be happy. My sister has always said that
Starting point is 00:04:12 Katie was her best friend and you can tell just by the pictures of them and by the memories that I do have that they were very close. Katie was probably about seven or eight when she went into foster care. It was because her mother was sick and couldn't take care of the girls. Katie and Lisa both went into foster care together. They moved foster homes several times in the beginning before they finally went to Jim and Shirley Enman. They were her foster parents for 10 years. When Katie lived with the Emmons, her life was a little bit stricter than most people. She was allowed to go to church. She was allowed to attend school, school functions.
Starting point is 00:04:57 But Katie wasn't allowed to like just go out with her friends or date. They were trying to, you know to keep her out of trouble. When Katie was in school, she was very determined. She was an AB student, honor roll, every club imaginable. She was in track. She got several awards for cheerleading. I think she actually got cheerleader of the year a couple of times.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Around here, there's not a whole lot of opportunity as far as work goes. You're gonna work in a factory or a fast food joint. Katie did not want to end up in a dead end job she wanted more for her life. Katie wanted to make a life for herself better than what she had. She wanted to have a family, kids, and just be around the people she loved. Katie decided to go to college to be a dental hygienist.
Starting point is 00:06:00 She said she wanted to make people smile. We were very proud of Katie for going to college. She was actually the first member of our family that went. For my family, that's a major deal. And just because up until that point, we'd actually only had one member that had graduated high school. So for her to graduate high school and go to college,
Starting point is 00:06:24 we had major dreams for her. I'm sorry. Katie decided to go to Western because it was closer to her biological family. She could come visit us on the weekends. that the sun shines somewhere, somewhere behind the grey skies. Western Kentucky is a nice college campus in a rural town out in the country. You know, there's a lot of activities to do. Western Kentucky is definitely a fun place to go to college. Western had a couple majors that they were pretty well known for.
Starting point is 00:07:46 It certainly attracted students of all talents and academic abilities. It definitely had a reputation for partying. It had a pretty strong Greek life. Katie was super excited about college whenever she first got there. She was excited because it was a new town. She was excited because, you know, it was really the first time she'd had freedom to do whatever she wanted to do, you know. All 18-year-olds get excited whenever, you know, they have a little bit of freedom.
Starting point is 00:08:18 I did meet Katie right outside of the Hugh Poland Hall where we were both living. I think we kind of bonded over the fact that we both came from a strict, upbringing Christian household with a lot of rules, a lot of expectations. So the opportunities for us seem to be a lot bigger than what other students may have experienced. I definitely think Katie was finding herself that year. She was experiencing a lot, having heartbreaks for the first time. But she was feeling more comfortable with who Katie was. And I think that first year at college she was starting to like herself a little better.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Katie was quiet and shy I think, but again once you got to know her, she would open up. She was a pretty funny girl. She liked to laugh. She liked to crack jokes. She was well liked around our groups, the different cliques that we had in the dorm. Katie was in room 214 on the second floor. She had a roommate. Her roommate was Danika. Danika was a cheerleader at the school. They formed a really tight friendship. They kind of described each other almost as like sisters, you know, in addition to being
Starting point is 00:09:55 best friends. Social life was a big deal. Thursday nights were the unofficial party night, I would say, on campus. Pizza parties, movie gatherings, you name it. If it was something that we could do other than schoolwork, we were probably doing it. One of the biggest things that Katie did during her freshman year that shocked me was, if you knew Katie, you knew she was terrified of needles.
Starting point is 00:10:31 And somehow, for some reason, she decided to go get her tongue pierced and get a tattoo. It just blew my mind to think of Katie doing that. I guess it was her experience in life, you know, just trying things. Katie did get a job on campus. We had a little smoothie shop in the University Center where our cafeteria and bookstore was. You could always count on seeing her behind the counter when you walked through the door there. count on seeing her behind the counter when you walk through the door there. It was the end of the semester, and so a lot of students were preparing for finals, finishing up their last papers. There was a lot of like kind of end of the year partying as well.
Starting point is 00:11:23 May 4th, 2003, somewhere around 4 o'clock in the morning, the smoke alarm in the building went off. This was not an unusual thing. Kids like to play pranks and the fire alarms got pulled quite often. At some point, our floor RA, resident assistant, came around and started knocking on all the doors. I was in my dorm room sleeping. I covered police that semester for the Herald, and so we had a little portable police scanner
Starting point is 00:12:06 that the police reporter would have. And so I just had that in my room, and it just kind of stayed on. When I heard the alarm call, because I was so close to there, I just headed over just to see what was going on. It was a chilly, brisk, early, early morning. The dew had settled on the grass.
Starting point is 00:12:30 It was a thick, moist night. Everybody's standing around. We're all in kind of little groups chatting and trying to figure out and understand like what's going on. We're starting to hear little bits and pieces of rumors. Something happened in room 214. It was the blonde, the blonde girl there. Welcome mystery enthusiasts. If you're a fan of uncovering hidden clues and solving mind-bending mysteries, then you're in for a treat with June's Journey, the thrilling detective game set in the mesmerizing world of the Roaring Twenties. Dive into the glamour and intrigue as you engage your sense of observation to find hidden objects from the parlors of New York to the sidewalks of Paris. Each chapter unravels a collection of dazzling hidden object spectacles, testing your detective skills to the limit.
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Starting point is 00:15:08 My name is Kevin Pickett. I'm a retired Kentucky State Police Sergeant. At the time in 2003, we were assigned as a team, the investigative team to assist West Kentucky University in the case. On May the 4th at approximately 4.08 a.m. the fire alarms went off at Poland Hall. The fire department were there in less than three minutes. The sprinkler has flooded the room and fire is now smoldering. It's very contained at this point. Captain Bob Sanborn was with the fire department and he entered room 214.
Starting point is 00:15:53 It was just pitch dark and he saw something glistening. And that was Katie and the part that was glistening was a part of her arm that was exposed that wasn't blackened by the fire. She was still alive and she was in a very bad place. Firefighters sort of cleared the perimeter. They didn't want anybody to really get too close. And I was sort of trapped in the crowd,
Starting point is 00:16:28 but I was able to identify that that was Katie. She was still breathing, and a firefighter took his mask off of himself and put it onto Katie's face to try to help give these life-saving measures there until EMS could arrive. One of the firefighters looked up and said, if you're a praying person, now is the time to pray.
Starting point is 00:16:51 And that was pretty, you know, a moment that has stuck with me all these years later. They took her to the, I think it's called Greenwood Hospital in Bowling Green, while the police were trying to figure out what happened. When the archivists came in, the firemen, we look up on the sprinkler head, and there's a rag over the sprinkler head to detain the heat. So there's a lot of thought that went into this fire. This is most obvious you got a crime scene. Once she was at the hospital, you know, the medical staff, they were immediately struck
Starting point is 00:17:42 with this. These are not the burns that happens when someone falls asleep with a cigarette. It was apparent this did not happen, that this was done to her. She was stabbed three, four times in the neck on the left side. She had a T-shirt wrapped around her neck. It appeared to be trying to choke her.
Starting point is 00:18:01 It was kind of over her face. She was beaten. There was a curling iron with a cord wrapped around her neck. So this was a horrific, horrific crime. This was not just a beating. This was pure torture. That's what it was. It's for the best.
Starting point is 00:18:32 It was probably around five when the phone was ringing. The answering machine picked up and I heard Shirley Inman, which was Katie's foster mother, and she said Katie had been in an accident. So me and Mom and Dad and Johnny, my little sister, got dressed real quick, jumped into the truck, drove to the medical center in Bowling Green. We waited for the doctor to come in, and he sat down, and he immediately was like, you know, she had a towel tied around her throat and her mouth.
Starting point is 00:19:02 And me at 16, I was like, what does he mean, you know? Because I didn't really understand. But he was talking to my mom. And she was like, he means that somebody done this to her. Katie's condition was very critical. She was essentially in a medically induced coma the entire time that she was at the hospital. It wasn't as if police were ever able to talk to her or get information from her after the fire. Mom had asked to see Katie because at this point she was fixing to be airlifted to Nashville.
Starting point is 00:19:41 She looked like she was sleeping and my mom started panicking and screaming for her to wake up. Katie get up. Katie wake up. They told us we couldn't touch her because of the burns. You know, we didn't want to cause an infection. So me and my dad had to literally physically remove my mom from the room. What was initially thought to be a simple fire is turning into a mystery. I woke up at four in the morning and I thought it was just a regular rehearsal, fire drill. Then they actually brought her out, and then they were like, medic,
Starting point is 00:20:29 and that's when everybody knew it wasn't a joke. The lady's body was burnt up all the way from her inner thighs all the way up to just above her breast. And you don't have to be a great detective to figure out, okay, somebody's trying to cover something up here in areas of concentration, which leads you to believe it's some type of sexual assault. In the very beginning,
Starting point is 00:20:58 there was participation from many different agencies. There was Kentucky State Police, there was the Bowling Green Police, and there was the Western Kentucky University Police. Those agencies all met and decided that Western's police department would take the lead in the case. Definitely fire arson investigations and murder were not the kinds of cases that Western police handled with any kind of regularity or at all. that Western police handled with any kind of regularity or at all.
Starting point is 00:21:31 The investigators' first steps were trying to figure out where Katie had been and who she might have been with. They interviewed Danika Jackson, who was Katie Autry's roommate. Details is huge in an investigation of this size. So Danika Jackson was filling in these details for us. According to both police records and an interview that I'd done with Danika, that night the two of them had gone to the Pike party together, a fraternity house not too far from campus, and Danika told police that at one point,
Starting point is 00:22:07 Katie got into a fight with her on-again, off-again boyfriend, Maurice, and she slapped him. She was drunk and after both of those things, just kinda had decided it was best for her to go home. Often at the fraternity parties, they would have either pledges or freshmen that were designated to be sober. And so they were kind of there to give people a ride home. Danica helped connect Katie with somebody to get a ride home from the party. It was about 1.30, 2 o'clock in the morning. The important thing of Danica's interrogation
Starting point is 00:22:53 was that they split up. Katie goes home with the sober driver. Danica goes on to her other party. Danica was pretty protective of Katie. In addition to making sure she got home with a sober driver. She called Katie later that night to make sure she was okay after the fight with Maurice. So she calls her in approximately 2.30 a.m. in the morning.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Katie answers. Danica says, what are you doing? She said, I'm back, but somebody's here with me. And Danica says, who is with you in the room? And she said, I don't know who it is, but I just want to go to sleep. Danica Jackson says, put him on the phone. I want to talk to him.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Danica told police that Katie handed the phone to the man. And he told Danica that he was the person who took Katie home from the fraternity party. And so at that point, Danica said, OK, you know, just make sure you put her on her stomach so she doesn't throw up. She's been drinking a lot. Or if she does throw up, then, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:02 she's not going to choke. She's been drinking a lot, or if she does throw up, then, you know, she's not gonna choke. Daneca had heard another man's voice in the background, but she couldn't hear what he was saying. For Daneca, this wasn't some profound red flag that something had happened. Katie got a sober ride home. You know, Daneca was glad she made it to the room.
Starting point is 00:24:24 But after Daneica's interview, the police were starting to kind of zero in on there was a culprit or two in the room. According to Danica, we have two people in the cardiology store room. Police had to figure out who those people were. Investigators gather evidence on the scene and look for signs of foul play. The victim was live-flighted to Vanderbilt Medical Center and is in critical condition. Vanderbilt Medical Center and is in critical condition.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Once it's found out that there was an injury and that there was a fire, there's more questions than there are answers. The entire building was a crime scene. I don't think anybody really had any idea that something like this could possibly take place. It came out pretty quickly that it was more than just a fire and there was a lot of shock. For me as a 21 year old student you feel pretty invincible, you know, so the idea that this happened to somebody was pretty shocking.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Students were walking in groups and we talked to some students who were putting like chairs in front of their dorm room doors because they were scared that somebody was still out there. West Tech University was the late police department. West Chalk University was the lead police department. University police are very small. And the chief of West Chalk University says, you know, we need help. And so he went very high up on the chain. And then we were called in. We were playing with the crime scene,
Starting point is 00:26:20 not only dislocating this dorm, but we were playing with the crime scene that spread dislocated in this dorm, but we would play along the crime scene that spread the whole campus. The two voices that Danica said she heard on the call that she made to Katie seemed to be a really key part of the investigation, but police had to figure out who those people were and to do that, they needed to start investigating, you you know who was with her,
Starting point is 00:26:45 who might have seen them or talked to them. Now everybody's got video and security cameras and everything else but I know the technology of 2003, 19 years ago, they didn't have no video. Some of us started doing the interviews in the dorm. The RA told police that they remembered Katie coming in around 1.30 or 2 a.m. and that she was alone and that she seemed in good spirits when she came into the dorm. That really lined up with their timeline of when Danica said Katie left the party and none of the RAs or those working the desk reported seeing or hearing anything suspicious in or around that dorm that night. seeing or hearing anything suspicious in or around that dorm that night. Maurice Perkins was the guy whom she was seeing. It was obvious to police that they needed to look at him
Starting point is 00:27:37 as a possible suspect and, you know, make sure that he had a clear alibi, something that could be backed up by several other people. Katie really seemed to like Maurice, but I think it was the difference in the fact that Katie was a little more sheltered. She was in love with Maurice, and he kind of more wanted to play the field a little.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Danica told police that at the Pike House party, Katie had gotten in a fight with Maurice. I think he did care about Katie quite a bit, but I just don't think he was ready to settle down for a serious relationship, which is what she wanted from him. When we talked to him, he said Katie slapped him. I never hit her. I've never hit her back. He told police that after the party,
Starting point is 00:28:32 he had been with friends playing video games and watching, I think, a slam dunk contest. Maurice's dorm mates confirmed that he was with them that night. Maurice had alibis. He covered every minute, every hour, every single time. And we just kept working the case, doing some interviews and trying to get leads on this case.
Starting point is 00:28:58 It was clear that the police needed to talk to the sober driver. In the initial interview with police, Danica wasn't even able to tell police the name of the person who gave Katie a ride home. She just described what he looked like and what he was driving. The police talked to people at the fraternity party who would have seen her or been around Katie that night.
Starting point is 00:29:21 They learned that Ryan Payne was one of the designated drivers that night and he was the one who took Katie home from the party. So he may have been one of the last people to have seen Katie alive. I think they located him in a dorm called Bemis where he resided. Ryan told police that he dropped her off at Poland Hall and that she walked in alone. He said that he was not the one who spoke to Danica that night on the phone, and that after he dropped Katie off, he went back to the party, but that things had pretty much cleared out.
Starting point is 00:29:56 And so he went and hung out with some friends until I think 5 a.m. Ryan's friends corroborated his alibi, saying that he was with them playing video games. It's hockey season, and you can get anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. Well, almost, almost anything. So no, you can't get a nice rink on Uber Eats. But iced tea, ice cream, or just plain old ice?
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Starting point is 00:31:22 and what he did afterward, he also said that there was somebody else in the truck. Ryan was borrowing another fraternity member's car to take people home, and the guy whose truck it was, one of his friends, Steven Sewells, was passed out in the truck. Well, when Katie gets in, he's been out there long enough to kind of detox a little bit and come to his senses.
Starting point is 00:31:49 So they drive to Poland Hall, which is not that big of a distance. It's on the other side of campus from the podcast where the fraternity was. So they drive across there. Brian Payne, Stephen Sousa's in the middle, and Katie's on the passenger side. And so he drives her down there and she gets out. Brian told police that he dropped Katie off at Poland Hall and that she walked into her dorm. Brian also dropped Stephen off nearby
Starting point is 00:32:18 and he was walking in the same direction as Katie's dorm. Okay, now I'm on the Stephen Sells. Still don't know where Stephen went. I don't know where he went, it says right up here, but I drove off. Stephen Sells was not a college student. He lived in Scottsville, which is about 20, 25 minutes from Bowling Green, and is a very, very small town.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Police first interviewed Stephen on May 7th. During that interview, he had said that he was blacked out drunk and doesn't remember really any interaction with Katie. He said that a friend picked him up from the dorms, and he went back to his house and stayed with him for the rest of the night. Doing initial investigations, the cops interviewed Stephen's friend
Starting point is 00:33:14 and he gave Stephen an alibi. So police have interviewed lots and lots of people, but at this point, they're kind of at a standstill. Because there wasn't a lot of action in the investigation, police were trying to find out more about Katie's whereabouts and just Katie in general, you know, who she was and if anybody would have any reason to want to hurt her. It became public knowledge that Katie had been working at Tattletales, a local gentleman's club in Bowling Green.
Starting point is 00:33:51 18-year-old college freshman at Western Kentucky University worked at the strip club in Bowling Green part-time. And that was the subject of a lot of rumors. Was her work there a part of this? There was a gentleman's club, I think it was the next county over, a really small dive bar basically that girls could dance in. And I did know that Katie had gotten a job there. When Katie was in college, she decided she no longer wanted to be a part of the foster system, and she had herself removed. She just wanted to make decisions for herself. Now she was responsible for paying for her own school
Starting point is 00:35:03 and taking care of herself while she was at school. So she was working at the smoothie shop on campus, but she wasn't making enough money to take care of all of those bills. So at that point, she got a job working at a strip club. Katie was just trying to take care of herself. She was trying to take care of her bills. She was trying to take care of herself. She was trying to take care of her bills. She was trying to take care of college. And I'm really proud that she was trying to do that.
Starting point is 00:35:34 Police have the responsibility to follow leads and to investigate people that might know anything. The folks at her job might know of people who were around her or had something, you know, against her. What was striking about Tattletales, the club, is that it wasn't within the confines of the city and it drew in people, not just the patrons, but the dancers from like tiny little towns
Starting point is 00:36:01 and villages around Bowling Green as well. Katie only worked there for a few weeks, but eventually decided it wasn't something that she wanted to continue doing. Police very quickly determined that her employment at Tattletales had nothing to do with what happened to her. Even though that this had nothing to do
Starting point is 00:36:23 with what happened to her, all of a sudden that throughout the coverage that Katie wasn't like a murdered college student is that she was this stripper who had been taken down. That was hurtful and that was angering at that time. It was like the only thing we could really focus on other than her was the things that people were saying about her because we wanted to make sure that when she did wake up, because we expected her to be okay, that she didn't have to hear these things. At this point, she was still fighting for her life.
Starting point is 00:36:57 For three days, she fought very hard. Early in the morning on May 7th, the doctors actually had taken us in there and told us we're at a turning point. Her lungs are our main concern. She's not getting enough oxygen. And they were trying to talk to us. I got up and left the room. I couldn't take it. I remember sitting on the concrete bench
Starting point is 00:37:27 in front of the burn unit at Vanderbilt. Clutching... Clutching Katie's graduation picture just breathed that she would be okay. And when I come back inside, everybody was taking turns going in and sitting with Katie. Then me and Lisa and Mom went in. Lisa was laying with her in the bed. And... We stayed with her until... until she was gone.
Starting point is 00:38:08 It was a hard thing to watch. And poor little Lisa just clutch into her screaming. And we had to literally physically pull her off of Katie because she just, it was her sister, it was her world. Because of the Grizzly murder, new rules have been instituted. Across campus we put our dorms on a 24-hour lockdown. It kind of scares me, you know, and to think that this could happen here is just like, like a horror movie, you know, like coming to life. It's really scary. When word got out that Katie had passed, the police investigation at that point had kind of hit a roadblock.
Starting point is 00:39:01 They had interviewed several people and gotten some potential suspects, but each of those potential suspects had seemingly been cleared. The day after Katie died, on May 8th, the man who was the alibi for Stephen Sewells, he called police back saying that he wanted to talk to them again. He called the cops to rescind his alibi. In the beginning, he said, Stephen came and slept here at like one or something when it was really not the case.
Starting point is 00:39:34 So he told them what really happened, that he couldn't give an alibi, that he had been up until like 4.30 in the morning and Stephen was not there. and Stephen was not there. After learning more about Stephen's possible involvement, the police know they need to talk to Stephen again and get some more information from him. So they go to his family's house to try to find him.
Starting point is 00:40:00 West Kentucky University Police, they have no power outside of that university. And so they had to go with us. We were the state police, we have statewide jurisdiction in 120 counties of state of Kentucky. His family says that they haven't seen him all day, and it seems as if he's kind of trying to hide out, you know, lay low.
Starting point is 00:40:25 Then I have to establish rapport with somebody so I can get ahold of Steven. Older brother, I can see it in his eyes and hearing his voice, he's very concerned about Steven. Let's listen, here's the thing, I need to talk to Steven. I don't know what he's into, I don't know what he's done, but I really, really need to talk to him. Next day at 10 o'clock that night, I'm sitting in my house after a very, very long day, and my phone rings and he goes, Detective Pickett. I said, yes, this is Stephen Sose.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Stephen was definitely nervous, but he did agree to come in for another interview. I take Stephen in, reading his rights. I've got video cameras going, I've got tape recorders going. And so he starts, he said, I didn't do that since that girl. During that interview, he initially told police that he met back up with Katie in the dorm lobby and that he went up to her room with her and they eventually had consensual sex.
Starting point is 00:41:40 And Steven said that he didn't know anything about the attack or the fire. Police said that they didn't really believe this, so they kept pushing Stephen for more details, knowing that there was more to the story than what he was sharing with them. At the time of Stephen's interview, police were able to use props as part of an interrogation as a way to make the person being interrogated feel like
Starting point is 00:42:19 police already have something and it's in my best interest to just go and tell them what I know. So I made some props and I'm thinking, okay, is there videos? No. Does he know that? No. So then I take VHS tapes and I write
Starting point is 00:42:39 Poland Hall security cameras. And I set them on the tape. So I got Steve in there, he's staring at them the whole time. From the minute he walks in, he's staring at them. And he's, I didn't do this to this girl. I said, the girl's got a name. And then I saw the picture. I can't look at it, I can't look at it. I said, I bet you can. But I want you to see it."
Starting point is 00:43:07 And he's broke down. He said, Somebody made me do it. Metrolinx and Crosslinx are reminding everyone to be careful, as Eglinton Crosstown LRT train testing is in progress. Please be alert, as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals.
Starting point is 00:43:30 Be careful along our tracks, and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Steven told police that he went into Katie's room, had consensual sex with Katie, but that while he was still there, a stranger entered the room and then attacked her. In hearing from Stephen that there was a second person that entered the room,
Starting point is 00:43:56 police recalled their interview with Danica, where she talked about hearing a second male voice. And so police don't believe this version of Stephen their interview with Danica, where she talked about hearing a second male voice. And so police don't believe this version of the story. They suspect that Stephen does know who this person is and keep pushing him for a name. Lucas Goodrum is another, you know, non-student who was known to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.
Starting point is 00:44:30 I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if I'm going to be made me do it. Lucas made me do everything he did.
Starting point is 00:44:47 I said, what did Lucas do? And then he just grabbed her and held her down by her throat and sh-t, by the pain he grabbed her. He just grabbed her by her throat, by her throat. I said, who stabbed her? Lucas. I said, you stabbed her too, though, right? He made me do everything he did. Stephen told police that he went along with it and did this because Lucas threatened him and said that
Starting point is 00:45:25 he would do something to his family if he didn't do what he told him to do. So after many hours of interviews, Stephen confesses that he raped Katie Autry, but he was made to do it. He's scared of Lucas Goodwin. So we get to find Lucas Goodwin. Lucas was kind of a small town kid who grew up in Scottsville with Stephen. According to police records, Lucas had a history of domestic violence and had been ordered to go to anger management classes.
Starting point is 00:46:01 Detectives eventually found him and brought him into custody. They brought him to the police station for the interview. When Lucas was asked about Katie, he does remember seeing her at the party. I saw her in there dancing. She was really intoxicated. And I thought she needed a ride home. I mean, she would be in a shakedown drive. She treated me and threw me in the car.
Starting point is 00:46:21 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All she did was walk by and she rubbed on my stomach. I don't think she did. I mean, she was really intoxicated. I mean, she was really intoxicated. I mean, she was really intoxicated. I mean, she needed a ride home. She would have been in a shaky drive. Sure you didn't make it through the road with the body? No, sir, no, sir. All she did was walk by and she rubbed on my stomach. And that was it. She walked by and I wasn't there, but then,
Starting point is 00:46:33 I thought she was drunk. That was it, you know? But once the crime is brought up, there is a complete shift in him and just denial, flat out denial. After the party, they were pretty much close to Polar Hall and they were kind of hanging out there at the other door in the common areas with the Scottsville crowd.
Starting point is 00:46:55 This is what Lucas is telling. Lucas told police that he was looking for Steven, but he ended up driving back to Scottsville at that point since he hadn't found Steven and went to his dad's house and he said he got there between 3.30 and 4. I'm gonna call my dad right now. My dad will tell you I come home. My dad will sit there and say I slept there. My dad will tell you that.
Starting point is 00:47:23 My dad wouldn't lie to you. I did not. This is would tell you that. My dad wouldn't lie to you. I did not. I mean, this is absurd. And I'm sure your dad can't say you was there because he knew you were dead. But I'm a different. And I said, what about these tapes and stuff? And I said, you're old enough.
Starting point is 00:47:35 He said, show them to me. You call my blood? He said, take my fingerprints. They won't match, because my fingerprints ain't on there. Kind of like poker. you call your bluff, you either play your head or you fold. I had to fold. Police seem to put a lot of weight on Danica's testimony
Starting point is 00:47:59 that there were two men in that room. And they knew that Steven and Lucas had grown up together and were friendly with one another. Lucas did admit that he had been at the party and that Katie had come up to him and rubbed his stomach. Lucas comes out at West Kentucky University, late detective, said what do you think? And I said, the guy's the only thing I know is we got a testimony from Stephen Sose that he's there. And I said it's not my call. It's yours. So, they put him under arrest for murder and arson.
Starting point is 00:48:34 They decided to have a viewing and then a memorial service, and then the actual funeral for Katie. There was so many people at Katie's funeral all during the services. Literally, there was standing room only. It was touching to see so many people care. Because I think that that's important, is that she did matter.
Starting point is 00:49:03 She mattered to a lot of people. It was the morning of the memorial service when we heard they had been on arrest. They had arrested two boys. We had never heard of either one of these boys before this time. Soles and Goodrum both attended Allen County Scottsville High School. Goodrum played football and graduated in 2000. Soles dropped out. After we initially heard about the arrest, my mom then of course started trying to call the cops and find out more about what was going on.
Starting point is 00:49:47 In Katie's case, we really didn't have to do a whole lot of research because the reporters done most of it for us. We very quickly became aware that they were at this party because they had friends there that attended the college. It became very well known that Lucas Goodrum was the stepson of the family who founded Dollar General and that Stephen Soles was a poor kid from Scottsville who went to high school with Lucas Goodrum.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Lucas's mom was married to the grandson of the founder of Dollar General and while Lucas didn't grow up with that kind of wealth in the media, Lucas was often identified as, you know, the heir to the Dollar General fortune. Although in reality, he was nowhere near getting the Dollar General fortune. The media narrative was just, oh, there is this, you know, like heir of this fortune
Starting point is 00:50:45 who created this crime and was a mastermind and forced this less fortunate boy to take part in it with him when really that wasn't the case. But that being said, Lucas was able to hire a big lawyer. Whereas Stephen did not have access to this. He had like a state-assigned attorney. Police weren't releasing much of anything
Starting point is 00:51:20 other than these two people have been arrested. And so the community didn't know if there was a lot of evidence or no evidence. And so the community kind of was making assumptions on guilt and innocence just based on names being released. It's not unusual for DNA evidence to take days, weeks, or even months to come back. So at that point in the investigation, police really just had Steven's word against Lucas's
Starting point is 00:51:50 word. You know, Steven's giving one version of events that involves Lucas, and Lucas is saying, I wasn't there, I had nothing to do with it. Lucas provided police with some evidence to help corroborate his whereabouts. They had the interviews with Lucas' dad, confirming that he was there, and he also provided gas receipts that he had from getting gas on the way to Scottsville from Bowling Green. As far as Lucas Goodham, I had Stevens' statements, I had Danika Jackson's statement saying, I heard another male voice.
Starting point is 00:52:27 I can put Lucas Goodrum in Bolingley. I can put him at the Pike House in contact with Katy Autry. We know she rubbed his stomach. He admits to his own that he's at the other dorm in the common areas with the Scottsville crowd. He admits to leaving. And then I've got a gas ticket and then I've got his dad as an alibi telling me, yeah, he's with me at the time.
Starting point is 00:52:54 And you know, the gas receipt didn't mean it was Lucas by any means. They didn't have no video. The only thing I've got is a father's statement saying he's with me. It was months later when they finally got DNA evidence back. One little evidence was recovered with some DNA, body fluids, some little blood, some hair. Every single piece of it went right back to Stephen Soles.
Starting point is 00:53:29 At this point, as Katie's court case starts coming up, you know, we have Stephen Soles, who has confessed to his part in her attack, and he's, you know, stated in his confession that Lucas Goodrum was there. Lucas Goodrum is, at this point point still saying he wasn't there, he had nothing to do with it. You know, so nobody really knew at this point
Starting point is 00:53:52 for sure what had happened. Steven Soules made a plea deal wherein he pled guilty to murder and rape charges and agreed to testify against Goodrum. Stephen Soles did take a plea deal. He took life in prison without the possibility of parole. Stephen pleaded guilty to seven of the nine charges against him with the understanding that he would testify truthfully against Lucas.
Starting point is 00:54:26 And also part of that plea deal was that he would not be sentenced to death. Even with Stephen testifying against Lucas, it wasn't going to be an easy case to prosecute. There was zero physical evidence against Lucas in connection with Katie's murder or rape. MUSIC After more than a year since Goodrum's arrest, and with the trial now just over a month away,
Starting point is 00:54:58 both sides seem to have much more to say. We know that Lucas is innocent. We believe him 100%. You know, just the same as she doesn't want to admit he's guilty, she needs to realize that he might be. The trial of the Commonwealth of Kentucky versus Lucas Brian Goodrum was moved to Owensboro because of the complete media saturation in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I attended the trial pretty much every day. Danika, Katie's roommate, she actually testified
Starting point is 00:55:37 that while she was talking to Stephen Sells on the phone, she heard a second male voice in enter Katie's dorm room. The key evidence or witness for the prosecutors was Stephen's testimony against Lucas. And for the defense, the key witness or testimony was the corroboration of his alibi by both evidence and testimony, as well as the fact that there wasn't any physical evidence placing him into that dorm room or, you know, connected to Katie at all. One of the problematic things was that Stephen's story had changed several times. That led to some doubt being put on Stephen's character and, you know, how much he could be trusted. When the trial started to come to a close and we knew that the jury was going to deliberate, Lisa was with me and she had a panic attack so I had to take her home.
Starting point is 00:56:52 We didn't expect the jury to come back as quickly as they did. I was at home with Lisa and Donnie, Katie's mother. Donnie was watching TV. All I remember is her screaming. And so I run in there, and I'm like, what? Donnie, what's wrong? Literally, it was running across the bottom of the screen that they had acquitted Lucas Goodrum.
Starting point is 00:57:24 There was a good pool of journalists there and you know we all went into it thinking that you know Lucas is guilty like oh my gosh we can't believe it and then just all of us were just floored once the trial unfolded and saw the lack of evidence. It really swayed us and it obviously swayed the jury. They deliberated for three hours and declared them not guilty. I understand why the jury went the way that they did, but for us, we felt like it was the wrong verdict. I felt like it was the wrong verdict.
Starting point is 00:58:10 I believe that I will probably never know exactly what happened and get all the answers that I'm asking for, and that eats at me. But I feel like it's important that we keep asking the questions in the hopes that we do get the answers. I see this case as it's all about narratives and whoever establishes the first narrative, that's the one that people stick to. I just think that you often see that not just in this case, but in lots of cases where someone
Starting point is 00:58:37 is convicted by the court of public opinion before they're given a chance to face the actual court of justice. I believe in the justice system. Since he has a right to a trial by his peers, he has a right to representation. He was acquitted, so he's innocent. Have I forgotten how to be? I do notice that as the years go on, I remember the little things more than like the big memories.
Starting point is 00:59:11 I miss the way that she would literally spend hours curling her hair, only to turn her head upside down and shake it all out. I miss the hugs, the laughs. I liked the old me. I loved everything I did. I was bolder. She would do anything for you if she cared about you. I think that's really what should
Starting point is 00:59:43 live on in people's memories. A lot of people only know Katie for what happened to her and even people that didn't know her. A lot of the times the first thing they think about is what happened, not who she was. But Katie was someone that you don't forget. Have I left the world as me? I would want Katie to be remembered as strong, determined, fun, and loving. You know, she's just one of those genuine people who could have made a difference in the world. She could have literally changed it
Starting point is 01:00:25 if she'd been given the chance. Don't wanna laugh, don't wanna cry, just one way to find that spark, that life, that energy I lost somewhere along the line. Somewhere along the line This is Deborah Roberts. That does it for Season 1 of Death in the Dorms. The series was produced by ABC News Studios with the Intellectual Property Corporation and, yes, Like a River for Hulu Originals. It's now streaming on Hulu. Next week we're bringing you a new series, Radioactive, the Karen Silkwood Mystery, an original ABC audio podcast marking the 50th anniversary of the nuclear whistleblower's death.
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