20/20 - Fire and Vice

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

A local firefighter hero is gunned down in his own driveway. Is the killer someone close to home? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Shop at Sephora today. Limitations apply. Must be a beauty insider. See Shop at Sephora today. Limitations applied. Must be a beauty insider. See terms at Sephora.com for complete details. Tonight a beloved firefighter gunned down in his very own driveway. But does the evidence to convict someone all come down to a single deleted phone call? A brand new 2020 begins right now. Get the med kit. He's still got a pulse.

Who would want Robbie dead? That was the million dollar question. Robbie, Robbie. He's got a fire in his shirt. I'm in panic. Please save my husband. He's done, dude. Damn it!

Oh, God, no. Is he alive? No, he's not. Oh, my God. Robbie Doerr pulls into this driveway. He's ambushed and gunned down. So that's the last image they got is Robbie laying there dead on the sidewalk. What?

I don't know what, I mean, I know what happened to Rob in my driveway, but I don't know who did it. They've got it all wrong. They're wasting their time. Hey, Andy. Do you know something that we don't? You're pulling into the house after the funeral. Right. Lights and sirens, guns out. Dogs barking. Woof, woof.

What you watch on TV is you watch this happy people on TV, not your family. Is that a normal thing around here, that people delete phone calls and messages, unless you have something to hide? Exactly. And just when you thought you heard the most shocking part, there was another part, right? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. and then I heard a bunch of popping. When did this happen, ma'am? Just a few minutes ago. Is the sailor still there? No, I didn't see anybody. Can you describe to me the night of that shooting? I was getting ready to cook pork chops.

I had turned the oven on. A few minutes later, I saw the truck lights come into the driveway. Sometimes I would go greet Robbie, and sometimes I didn't. A few minutes later, I saw the truck lights come into the driveway. Sometimes I would go greet Robbie, and sometimes I didn't. It felt like it was just like a minute later. I hear these popping noises. It almost sounds like fireworks, but not fireworks.

Is this your husband? Yes. I'm in panic because he's breathing. He's alive. Please save my husband. Yeah, his name is Robert Dorr. He's a firefighter. Elizabeth Fox Dorr, also known as Becky, is married to 51-year-old Robbie Dorr. He's a respected veteran firefighter.

He's been at the Evansville, Indiana Fire Department for 28 years, works out of Station 1. I'm up there at the intersection of Colorado and Oakley. The body camera footage from the scene is unfolding in real time, and it's particularly raw and graphic. Get the med kit! He's still got a pulse.

Gosh. He's starting compressions now. Stay with me, stay with me. Heart's still pumping. Some of Robbie's fellow firefighters arrive at the scene and they're unaware of what they're walking into. What the f***? I just realized who it is. Robbie! Robbie!

Connect electrodes. Some cannot contain their anger. Robbie! Robbie! He's done, dude. F***ing damn it! Oh, God, no. Damn it! Does he know him?

I assume that's a small department, man. He's got a fireman shirt on. Robbie's colleagues, in utter disbelief, are trying to collect themselves. Let's get them up out of here. Hey, man, let's go back this way. Come on. Come on. I know man. I don't want to be rude or disrespectful,

but we've got to get the fire out of here, because that's one of theirs. Evansville police are investigating a deadly shooting. One person was shot and killed here tonight, and the police are still looking for a suspect. Normally the media will stage in a certain area, police officers will chat with us, will tell us a little bit about what's going on.

That didn't happen that night. So I knew that this was a big deal. Police say that just after seven o'clock tonight, they had several calls come in reporting shots fired. They do know who the victim is, but they are not releasing his name just yet. We were just hearing that night that it was a firefighter and by the amount of firefighters showing up to the scene

kind of confirmed to us this is a first responder. Becky calls her oldest son Nathan to come and be by her side. It's my dad, he's trying to get down there. I understand, you're not going through this crime scene. Okay, well then get my mother down here. Her name is Elizabeth Doar. Nathan is allowed on the scene, and he calls Becky's youngest son, Taylor,

who then was 21, and is living at the house. He was spam texting me, spam calling me, and he was like, you need to get home. And now Rob's been shot. I was like, is he okay? He was like, I don't know, Taylor, get home. Where's my mom? I was probably there within a minute or two.

I flew down the road. Really didn't feel real. Like, I just, I was stunned, I feel like, the whole time. Follow me. Okay, let's go. And we walked up to the house. Still everything's being investigated. Is he alive?

No, he's not. Oh, my God. The first thing I did was I called out my mom's name and I ran over to her and we just started crying together. How many times had Rob been shot? At that point, I did not know. But I imagine it was a pretty messy scene. Yeah, three or four times, but I honestly don't know. it was like somebody was going around

shooting or something. So I turned all my lights off. A gunman could be on the loose, and Becky says she was scared. I was afraid to go out at first because I didn't know if there was somebody out there. He said he doesn't have any enemies. He doesn't have enemies. He's a fighter fighter.

He's a recluse. Whenever he goes to the fire station, he goes to his little room. He stays there until he's needed. The thing is, this is very odd. We look at all angles of everything. Where's his daughter? She's right there.

I don't know if she knew that. Is that the daughter? Robbie's adult daughter, Lindsay Griffin, is also notified. Like many others arriving at the scene, she is unprepared for what she's about to see. He was my best friend. All I could think about was I needed to be next to my dad. Like, my dad was alone on that concrete. I need, he didn't have me. I needed to be with him. Who shot him?

I have no idea. No, no, no won't let you. You guys can't go out there, okay? Why? Because you can't. They wouldn't even let me out there with them. As Robbie is lying there, heartbroken family members and colleagues want to be near him, but Evansville police cannot allow their crime scene to be entered. I've already told FIRE very respectfully that they have to stay outside the tape. The ones that were called to the scene, they all knew Robbie.

That's the last image they got is Robbie laying there dead on the sidewalk. Did the people who treated him actually know him? Oh yeah. When a member of the service, police officer, or fireman has been killed, you step outside your personal attachment to the case, then you protect the integrity of the crime scene. That you were able to get justice for that person who was the victim. They are turning their focus to gathering clues and asking questions. That's not a casing, that's an actual knife. That's a round, yeah.

The crime scene was very chaotic. We found no shell casings. Right away there weren't any real solid leads. I want to say I'm very, very little. Robbie's lived in his town his whole life. He's firefighter for nearly 30 years. Who would want Robbie dead? That was the million dollar question that nobody could think of anybody. It just didn't make sense.

Robbie Dorr was shot and killed outside his Oakley Street home. This is a bad nightmare. Didn't have an enemy in the world. Everybody loved him. Evansville police are still searching for a suspect. They are asking anyone with information, please give them a call. The first step is trying to figure out what happened

and the main players involved. The people who live on that street were telling me, I can't believe this happened here. Yes, we do have crime in Evansville, but nothing like this. We do have crime in Evansville, but nothing like this. 51-year-old Robbie Doerr was one of Evansville's bravest, a second-generation firefighter who'd served his hometown for nearly three decades.

And so what did Robbie do? Robbie rode on the back. He enjoyed taking new guys in, showing them the ropes, showing them what to look for, what to do in a fire. And so when you ride in the back, you get to talk and guide the newer guys? Yes. The life sucks without him.

Sorry, I'm trying not to cry. That was my best friend, and now he's never going to meet his grandson. My aunt sent me a picture of my dad when he was a little kid. And him and my son are identical. Like, I mean, identical. Robbie was a devoted father, husband, grandfather, and firefighter. And in addition to all those roles, he took on another. He was working full-time at the fast food chain, Taco John's.

You would think that being a firefighter would be enough. Firefighting is not a career you're going to get rich at. Firefighters only work 10 days a month. 20 idle days cost a lot of money. I quit my job to go be a general manager. 20 idle days cost a lot of money. I quit my job to go be a general manager at Taco John's, and that's how I met Rob. The jokester that he was always was there to make me laugh when I was struggling at the drive-thru. Robby and Becky had known each other for 11 years before they started dating. Robbie would have done anything in the world for her. Rob was gonna be the

the person that gave my mom a consistent life. Who did you grow up with? You were in the foster system? I was in the foster system till I was four. I went from one foster home to another. At the age of four, Becky is adopted into the Fox family, as was Mandy Fillmore. You were 2 and 1 half, she was 4. Tell me about your big sister growing up. We played, we traded stickers, we jumped on the trampoline. Wham.

Not in trouble. My father was a dentist. My mother was a dental hygienist, but she decided to stay at home with us girls and take care of us. They had a Christian handbell group called the Melody Bells. You performed at the White House. We sure did. We did twice.

For Ronald Reagan for their Christmas party and for George W. Bush, Sr. for their Christmas party. This is you? That one's me, Mass. Becky. That was at the 4-H Fair. That one's Taylor. I think it's some baby shark. How many times have you been married?

Six. Were any of them good decisions? Six. Robbie? Yep. He would do anything for me. He was my best friend. Rob is a great guy, so I'm thinking, okay, she's done.

This is the one. This is the one that's finally going to work. They got engaged and they planned the wedding about two months out. He treated me like nobody had ever treated me before. Our biggest disagreement was he wanted me to quit working. And I wanted to work. But with him working both jobs, when he was off, he didn't want to worry about my schedule.

And I'm like, well, but I really would like to work. He goes, well, maybe someday. And I'm like, you keep saying that. But I can work. Robbie was the type of person who always wanted people smiling. He would do whatever he could to make somebody happy. Just kind of a sensitive soul?

Yeah. Days after the murder, police spoke with Robbie's friend, Larry Wilt, who outlined how Robbie says he wanted to give Becky everything, even Larry worried, to his own detriment. The guy had thousands of dollars in his safe before he got with Becky. All he wanted to do was make Becky happy, and at whatever cost.

She found a car that she had to have. He managed to get that for her. He borrowed money for them to go down to Panama City to get married. Larry says the little things really started adding up for Robbie. Added to his household so his water went up, his electric went up. Everybody was on his cell phone playing. Everybody on his cell phone playing? I know, you know, I know Robbie borrowed money from his dad.

Was your dad the kind of person who would get really excited about somebody new and then jump to a proposal and marriage? I mean you kind of have to think he was single for ten years. So I mean in my eyes he just wanted to be loved. And so when he got that attention, then, yeah. At this point, detectives want to learn more about his relationships and the final hours of his life. Robert Doerr walked into an ambush. What's going on in his world that would have caused this to come to his own home in his driveway?

It was an assassination. The medical examiner discovered that Robbie was actually hit with two different types of projectiles. There's only a few types of weapons in the world that can shoot both shotgun and pistol ammunition. A torus judge is actually one of the types of firearms that shoots both shotgun as well as solid projectiles. The big mistake that the perpetrator made is by using a weapon that is easily identifiable.

The detectives did a search for any stolen guns in the area. During that search we found a pawn shop close by where a tourist judge was stolen. Police are now on the hunt for that stolen tourist judge, handgun, and any more evidence that may start connecting some dots. You're looking for anything that might help you find out what's going on in Robert's life. Inside of the home, investigators found a nine-page letter.

Robbie Doerr was a first responder here at the Evansville Fire Department, where he worked for nearly 30 years and for 25 of those years he worked at this station. For most of that time his best friend was another firefighter named Larry Wilt. And so this was one of the busiest fire stations, right? This is one of the busiest fire stations. The engine makes over 2,000 runs out of here, which for a city the size of Evansville, it's a lot.

It's a lot. Robbie loved it, so he wanted to stay busy. You know, 24 hours here, then eight hours at Taco John's, and then, you know, whatever else he was doing. Robbie was a very, very hard worker, but his love life was a little bit tangled.

We're gone for 24 hours. So it makes it harder on family life. In Becky and Robbie's situation, they were building on experiences in previous marriages they had been involved in, knowing what they wanted and what they didn't want. My dad seemed very happy at first, but then he started to feel insecure.

He started to think she was cheating on him because he was like, she always deletes her text messages. Like, she never lets me see her phone. Turns out Robbie put some of his concerns on paper in a nine page letter he wrote to Becky a couple of months before they planned to get married. In that letter, in his own handwriting, he's saying there was a problem.

Can't remember the last time you approached me to hug or kiss me. I wish I could put that smile back on your face and make you look happy. You brought me out of the darkness and made life worth living. I wish I had the money to take you everywhere you want to go. I want to get the household fixed up to something you like. I want you to have friends and I swear I will not accuse you of cheating on me ever again. I never want to lose you. Why was Rob so concerned that you would cheat on him? He'd been cheated on from my understanding but so had I. I tried to reassure him that that that's just not

gonna happen. Had you ever cheated on your previous husbands? No. No. Never. There was a friend that actually was the very first person my parents ever let me go out with. He would reach out to me, but just wanted to know if I was doing okay. I told Rob about it,

and he felt that maybe something would be rekindled. Okay, did you see this guy? No. Becky's sister Mandy tells me that when it comes to love, they both tend to make miscalculations. Here's the deal. If anything, if we make bad decisions, we make them based in love. You and Becky?

Yes, we make bad decisions trying to love people. Like the mistakes have been because you've loved people? Yes. Yes. Do you fall in love easily? Um, no, I wouldn't say so. I mean, I guess it depends on the person. But in May of 2018, Mandy quickly fell for a charismatic stranger named Larry Richmond Sr.

Tell me the story of how you met Larry. I was working at the Dollar General and he came in and when he handed me the money, he made sure to touch my hand and like look me in the eyes and make it clear that he enjoyed what he was looking at. And he's charming too in person isn't he? Very much so. A few months after Larry met Mandy he moves into her home. Mandy's daughter Mary was also living at the house. Larry was always really gentle with my mom. I don't think I've ever seen her

happier. Tell me who Larry is. We met him on Thanksgiving of 2018. Rob and I went out with them three, maybe four times. What was your impression of Larry when you had dinner with him? When we first met him, he seemed OK. Did you communicate with Larry senior outside of these double dates?

Only when he would call me and ask me where Rob was. But I always let Rob know when he had called. What else did you talk about when you spoke? He wanted to know what me and Rob did to have fun when we had our date nights. Then another phone conversation was because he wanted to know what Rob did, how he went about asking for my dad's blessing

for asking Mandy to marry him. Larry Richmond Sr. at the age of 17 was convicted of murder, spent 22 years in prison, was released in 2018, out on his own. Did you know at the time that he had been convicted of shooting a seven-year-old man and killing him? No.

He spent like two decades in prison. No, knew nothing about that. Did know anything about his criminal past? No, my sister said that he had been in trouble before, but that he was on the right track. She brought that man to a Christian household and sat him down at a long dining room table and had dinner with everybody and didn't tell us, didn't tell a single person that he had

just been in, that he had just gotten out of prison for murder. How quickly into dating him did you know that Larry had spent nearly two decades in prison for murder? He told me immediately. Immediately? Immediately. He presented it like it was an accident. He just wanted to live a normal life and stay out of jail.

While Larry seemed to play down his crime to Mandy, in reality, he had pleaded guilty to knowingly killing another person. At first I was like, oh, that's not great. But then slowly, like, I mean, my mom convinced us, she was like, oh that's not great, but then slowly like I mean my mom convinced us she was like you know she's a changed man. He was very warm, he was very nice. Meanwhile it has been six days since Robbie was gunned down. The family Becky, Mandy, Larry and large numbers of the community are now gathered to lay Robbie to rest.

We actually live-streamed it on our website for our viewers to watch because there was such a community interest in the story. There were so many people that I had never met, so many people that showed up. This legacy of integrity is what the foundation of the fire department is working on. The service today in no way fully be right or have the fullest length of time and respect to honor Robbie. Did you speak at the funeral? Yes. He never backed down to trade ships with anyone if they needed anything for their families. Lindsay,

when you were born, I seen a smile on that man I never thought I would see again. Robbie spoke often of not wanting to spend his life alone. Becky, you made his life whole. Resty's a brother. We'll take it from here. Then in a dramatic turn, just minutes after they pay their final respects to Robbie, police move in on two leads.

So Larry was arrested when you came back from the funeral. Yes, and they took me away in handcuffs too. Hey Maggie, do you know something that we don't? It was a solemn farewell for firefighter Robert Doar. His funeral comes less than a week after he was shot and killed outside his home. The funeral was hard. I will never forget the bells. I will never forget all of the speeches that were said, I can't listen to backpipes anymore. I can't. I just can't listen to them.

The moment that they handed me his helmet, I lost it. But it was absolutely amazing to see how many people were there. But a discovery by the police turns this day from somber to suspect. So you're pulling into the house after the funeral. Right. Lights and sirens, guns out.

Dogs barking. You're getting cuffed and taken in. That must have been terrifying. It was. Put your hands behind your back. Police pulled Mandy and Larry over for a traffic violation, but there's more to this story. So what traffic violation leads to this? So after doing an autopsy, police learned that a tourist judge revolver possibly had been used to shoot and kill Robbie Dorr, which just so happens to be the same style of gun

that was stolen from a pawn shop in Evansville. So when they looked at the employees at that pawn shop, they realized that Larry Richmond Jr. was an employee there. They put two and two together that Larry Richmond Jr. was Larry Richmond Sr.'s son. Larry Richmond Jr. is a 23-year-old Evansville native. As a child, his time with his father was limited to prison visits, and now after years of being apart, Junior and Senior are reconnecting. So Larry Jr. is associated with a gun we think might be the murder weapon.

That's a big step in the investigation. Larry Richmond Senior was taken in at the same time as Mandy, at the same time that Larry Richmond Jr. was. Well, Larry, well, we've got everybody, it's not just you down here. Obviously we're looking into the Robert Gore situation. He was gunned down in his driveway. What's that got to do with me? Well, it has to do with everybody in the family. We're just trying to get everybody in here to see if there's just anything that can help us with this investigation. Do you wish to talk to me about a lawyer president?

I have no problem answering any of your questions. I will cooperate fully. Okay. Due to my past, I have been incarcerated. I am on probation. I don't need any problems. Sure, no, I understand. So if I'm not under arrest, please get ahold of him. I will come back down here and fully cooperate. No problems at all. All we're trying to do is find out if you guys know anything that could help us find his killer.

I don't know nothing. We go out with him. We go out to drink. Outside of that there, I don't know nothing. So he understands what you should and shouldn't do when you get arrested by the police. So he's going to say, no, I want the lawyer. And there's nothing wrong with that.

With police unable to further question Larry Sr., they talk to his fiancee Mandy. Her brother-in-law, Robbie, is the victim. Where were you at when Robbie was murdered? I don't know exactly... ...why the life's going to tell me what it was. Last Tuesday. Um... Around seven o'clock.

Yeah, it's home. You're home. We're home. Are your kids there? Was Larry there? Yeah, we were all there. We were all there. Kids, Larry.

Mm-hmm. Mandy says he was with me on the night of the murder. That's an alibi. So another weird question or awkward question that we ask everybody, do you own the firearm? No. You don't own it? No. Okay.

I don't. What about Larry? Does Larry have one? No. What about the gun that was found in the senior earlier, they found a gun hidden in the car. Now, it wasn't the murder weapon, but because of Larry's prior conviction, he's not allowed to possess a firearm. You did not know that we were going to the car?

You all right? So you pretty quickly understand that Larry is now a suspect. Yeah, immediately. Immediately. Hey Mandy, do you know something that we don't? I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. Does it feel like a betrayal? This is what you watch on TV. This is, this, this you watch, this happened to people on TV, not to your family.

When they started to bring up this idea that Larry Richmond Sr. may have been involved, I think that was a situation for her that was very eye-opening and one of confusion because she knew about Larry's past and she knew that he was trying to become a better person. At least that's what he was expressing to her. Mandy is clearly in shock but she's insistent that her fiance is not involved in Robbie's death Amanda Fillmore was never a suspect and police spoke with her

They found her to be telling the truth about almost every detail of her life Including intimate details with her and Larry Richmond senior and their relationship at this point They had started, you know connecting the dots that you know At least alluded to later Richmond Senior and later Richmond Junior's involvement with respect to the stolen firearm. We have two more people down here now involved in this case. And one is your dad. And things aren't looking so good here. What do you know about this gun?

It came up missing the day or a couple days before I started it. That's not true. I've talked to the regional manager, I've talked to the ATF guys. That's not exactly the way it's going down. The gun came up missing while you were in the foyer. Yeah. ATF guys. That's not exactly the way it's going down. The gun came up missing while you were in the hallway. Yeah, while I was, yeah. I was sitting in the pawn shop and then somebody came up and said it was the gun outside and then we called it in. So Larry Jr. is there when it's missing and so now you know he's involved in this somehow.

I got some bad news for you, son. I think you're heading down the same path your dad's heading. Four detectives, nothing is adding up. So they make a drastic move and descend upon the Durer family while they're saying their final goodbyes. So you watch as those four detectives take Becky away for questioning. Yes. The look on her face was just like stone.

Tell us what happened. How this all went down. At the funeral, police decided to question you again to pull you out? Yeah. After we had taken Robbie to the mausoleum, and I was taking some flowers or something out to the car, they came and told me that they had a few more questions for me. In my head, I was actually thinking, well, this is pointless. They're just wasting their time. They need to get out there and do something else. But you know I'm

thinking they got to touch all bases. Becky arrives at the Evansville Police Department. Larry Richmond, Sr., his son Larry Richmond, Jr., and her sister Mandy are already there. So basically I wanted you to kind of take care of yourself, take care of your family, and then bring in your go-back, just hash through everything, every detail. Okay. You really want to know about her life and their lives together. What time did she expect at home? Okay, what did you do that day? Who called you that day? Who did you speak to? What kind of phone calls did they ask you about? What phone calls I had had that day, the day of Rob's death, they also asked me what phone numbers were what,

whose were certain phone numbers. Well, the one we'd be interested in obviously is the one right before your husband was shot and killed. Right? If you were in our shoes? Oh, yeah. Okay. And that's this number here. Do we know who this number is right here? I don't recognize it. There's a reason why detectives are so focused on Becky's phone activity.

When they collected her cell phone originally, nothing looked suspicious, but they just received the raw data from her cell phone carrier. When you start looking at the extraction data, you're starting to see that maybe what we can't see with the naked eye is still there under the surface. One element that we saw that raised a lot of eyebrows

was a deleted phone call from a contact known as Larry Ali. About 15 minutes before the 911 call that Robbie had been shot. I don't recall talking to someone like five minutes before Rob was killed. I've been honest with you from the get-go. That's all I ask of you is your honesty. I don't understand that. I don't recall talking to someone like five minutes before Rob was killed.

I don't. They had information that she didn't have, and so at this point they're asking her questions that they know the answers to. Becky, don't get yourself into something now. You can't get yourself out of it, please. I understand that. Why lie? Okay. So take a deep breath and tell us who you talked to five minutes before your husband was killed in your driveway getting out of his truck in the back of the head.

Because I'm telling you, the federal investigation and the FBI, we are looking into this as a federal crime. They keep pressing her, and finally, after 90 minutes of questioning, she comes clean. So who did you talk to five minutes before your husband was gunned down in the driveway? Becky, we know the answer. So who was it? down in the driveway. Becky, we know the answer. So who was it?

My sister's fiance. The contact, Larry Ali, would later find out is Larry Richmond, Sr. Wait a second here. You spoke to Larry, Sr. and he just got out of jail 11 months ago for murder. And now your husband's dead. I mean, if you're not chasing that pathway,

you're not doing your job. It's as simple as that. So what did you talk to him about? And do not lie because we know his history, we know everything about him. I don't know what I mean I know what happened to Rob in my driveway but I don't know who did it. I honestly don't know who did it. You didn't even tell us about the conversation. We had to get to this point. She wasn't being forthcoming, especially for someone that just lost their husband, who would want the killer to be brought

in and justice to be found. For Becky, I think nobody can prepare themselves to be accused of something they know they didn't do. I want the truth. Rob told me that recently, the last time that we went out with Larry and my sister Mandy, that they had been talking about lights on the garage, and that Larry would be coming out sometime soon to do a motion sensor with Rob Dove.

The conversation basically was I asked him about the motion sensor lights. Three minutes later, put spot bullets in the back of your husband. Come on. You understand why police were a little bit concerned when they saw that you had a call from a felon who had murdered somebody else and had just gotten out of prison for it and that call had happened minutes before your husband was gunned down in your driveway. I understand where they were coming from but by the same token I have a habit of erasing phone calls. I always have. And as soon as you got off the call

with Larry Senior you erased that call. I always have. And as soon as you get off the call with Larry Sr., you erase that call. I erase that call. Who deletes phone calls? I do. Why? Because it takes up space in your phone. I don't think it does.

I've never heard that before. But there's proof that I do. She deletes absolutely everything. And I know for a fact, if I were to send her, you know, I love you, Mom, she would keep that and she would delete everything else. She will send a text message and then she will delete it. I don't know why.

Is that a normal thing around here that people delete phone calls and messages? Oh, no. I save every... Like, all of my messages I save. Nobody I know does that. Right. Besides her. Unless you have something to hide. Exactly.

Why hold a conversation back from us? It was simply about a sexual life. When this young man asked you how many times, any more phone calls, any more phone calls. I didn't want you to think that I was having an affair with him because I have not had an affair. I think Becky's motive behind denying the call was to protect not only herself but her family and more importantly to protect the relationship that she adored

with Robbie. The truth is I didn't ask or tell or request anyone to do it. Did I know someone was going to come in? Did I run down? No. I would rather leave here than come in. And this is not here. And I honestly, I'm scared to cut. I don't know what to do. And that's the truth. After hours of interrogation, detectives say they can't find much else that connects Becky

and Larry Senior to the crime other than that deleted phone call. But back home, a mysterious message awaits. He called and said he found a card with a note in it. Every step was shocking. And just when you thought you heard the most shocking part. Because in this family, bonds are broken. I call her in a fit of anger, a burden of sh**. And hearts are broken.

Sisters don't do that to each other. Let's go back further to the day that Robbie gets killed. Get the med kit! Robbie! Stay with me, stay with me. Damn it! It had everything. Sex, murder.

Nothing in that conversation had anything to do with hurting anybody. Why delete it then? Because I typically delete all- No you don't! You deleted it because I typically delete Becky Fox door was hiding a lot of information from police during the course of the investigation I hear the pop pop pop at what point did you understand that Becky was beginning to be associated? with your best friend Robbie's murder They've got it all wrong. You know. She has nothing to gain from this. What do you think is going on between Larry and your sister?

My little sister introduced that evil to my family. Not me. There is a trail that points back to you. I'm a monster to everybody now. And that's not the person I am. New developments tonight in the murder of a firefighter in Indiana, gunned down in front of his home. I husband just got shot. All I see is blood on the ground. I'm in panic. Please save my husband. Evansville police are investigating a deadly shooting.

One person was shot and killed here tonight, and the police still looking for a suspect. We have a beloved first responder, a firefighter who is dead. Oh, God, no. It's not supposed to be this way. He loved the fire department, and he had just getting out there and helping people.

He loved the fire department and just getting out there and helping people. It was a solemn farewell for firefighter Robert Doar. On the day of Robbie Doar's funeral, detectives say they make two major discoveries. Larry Richmond's senior son, Larry Richmond Jr. worked at River City Pawn Shop in Evansville. He's accused of stealing a tourist judge revolver, which ironically is the same style gun police said was used to kill Robby Dorr. On top of that, police say there is that suspicious phone call between Becky and Larry Sr. that she deleted and initially denied even took place. Because I typically delete all... No you don't! You deleted it. And then you didn't tell me about it. And then now we're here. You're lying. And I'm not accusing you. I'm showing you facts of why you've lied. Your story doesn't add up.

Then after almost five hours of interrogation... Thank you Becky. Good luck to you, okay? They arrest Becky. 47-year-old Elizabeth Foxdor was arrested and charged with obstruction of justice. Robby Doris' wife tonight is in jail on no bond for deleting a phone call she allegedly received before calling 911. At what point did you understand that Becky was beginning to be associated with your best friend Robby's murder? The day of the funeral, something off you know she wasn't grieving she wasn't showing any emotion and then when they picked her up for questioning the

the light come on and that's when you knew. I thought it all started to make sense because things weren't piecing together I didn't know why someone would do this but then they brought her in for questioning and I was like, hmm, kind of makes sense. I'm just thinking, you know, they've they've got it all wrong, you know. She has nothing to gain from this. She has no motives for it. Police say Fox Door is not a suspect in her husband's murder.

Becky was arrested and charged with obstruction of justice, but she pleaded not guilty to those charges. So, many are wondering, who committed the murder? Meanwhile, during Becky's lengthy interrogation, just a few rooms away, Larry Richmond Jr. asks to speak with the detectives again. What's up? I said you wanted to talk to me. Larry Richmond Jr. initially told them that he didn't know anything about that firearm. After doing that, it was clear that Larry Richmond Jr. initially told them that he didn't know anything about that firearm. After doing that, it was clear that Larry Richmond Jr. realized

that they knew more than he thought they did. Probably a mangy sex. Why would it be a mangy sex? Because that's where my daddy's from. You got the gun? Yes, sir. We took this from your phone. Looking at Larry Richmond Jr.'s phone, there is a string of text messages where Larry Richmond Senior continuously asks Larry Richmond Jr. about the Peacemaker, which we later discover was the nickname that Larry Richmond Sr. had given to the Taurus judge. The interrogator said, you want to be like your father?

Do you want to go to jail for 22 years? Do you want to miss your kids growing up just like your father did? It stops here, it stops now. And he's fully cooperative at that point. He said his father, Larry Richmond Sr., had told him at some point, if anything ever happens, I have firearms buried in the backyard. Detectives head to Mandy's house and dig up three firearms with the serial numbers scratched

off. They even discover surveillance footage of Larry, Sr., walking to the backyard, allegedly carrying this tote bag full of guns. But the Tars judge is not found. When my mom, Mandy, was released, she was freaking out. Her fiance had buried guns that she knows he's not allowed to have in our backyard, which is where we buried our pet cat at some point.

So that was also not great. You didn't know he had any guns? No. Did he ever make you feel unsafe? Never. He not once did that man ever make me feel unsafe. He just made me feel loved. An Evansville man convicted of murder more than 20 years ago finds himself back in police custody tonight.

Larry Richmond, Sr. is charged with multiple counts of felony weapon possession and is placed in jail. Becky is also in jail on her obstruction of justice charge. Yet police say there is nothing that specifically connects Larry Sr. and Becky to Robbie's death, besides that deleted phone call from the night of the murder. So while Becky is being questioned by investigators at the police station, her son Nathan makes a discovery at the home. He called and said he found a card with a note in it.

I told him to hold onto that card. I was going to call the detective to come pick it up. I was going through condolence cards. Okay. And I found a card from Larry, which I then later found out that he had also been picked up, Larry Richmond. And it was a condolence from him and my aunt Amanda and there's a little slip of paper like ripped notebook paper that said we need to talk

with his phone number and Larry. Detectives start thinking well he's reaching out to talk to Becky and it changes everything as far as wait a second he's looking to communicate. It looks like he had written it on the corner of like a notebook piece of paper and he ripped it out. So that's kind of the last second? Last second thing. It wasn't written in the card. I think it was put in after Mandy and him signed it.

Because he's the one that presented it to my mother. He gripped that thing all the way up until it passed into my mother's hand. Why do you think he tried to reach out to you after the funeral? I have no clue. And slipped that note inside the car that said he had to talk. I have no clue.

I was told about it, but I never got it. I never saw it. It was never actually given to me. I don't think that there was ever pressure that my mom had committed the murder herself. But I think it started to make a little bit more sense that someone who's already been convicted of murder could do it again. Your aunt Mandy and Larry, what, do you know anything about their relationship?

I've only honestly met Larry a handful of maybe five times. Like Thanksgiving, Christmas. When you, when you interact, I mean, He's a standoffish. I could tell that he's easily irritated. He was definitely well known with his facial expressions that he was upset about something that was happening. Becky, Robbie, Larry Sr., and Mandy used to go on double dates together, but now one of them is dead, two of them are in jail.

Detectives have already cleared Mandy of involvement in the murder, but they need to speak with her again Let me ask you a question. What do you think is going on between Larry and your sister? You're not the only one in this trip It was strange being in the house by myself. I'm in Rob's house, who is no longer alive, and my mother is in question now for his murder. I felt terrible about even just being in his house. I don't belong here. This is so wrong. Why am I in his house and he's not? Mandy Fillmore has had a harrowing 48 hours.

Her fiance and her sister are now both in jail. Since her last interview, police have discovered stolen guns they say were buried in her own backyard by her fiance. So, detectives want to ask her more about Larry Senior's whereabouts on the night of the murder. Let's go back further to the day that Robbie gets killed. Where do you go after work? Home. Home, okay.

Is Larry home? No. To your best recollection, where's Larry? Mandy had previously told detectives that Larry Sr. was with her the evening Robbie was shot. Now she seems to confirm that she has no idea where he really was that night. Would your kids normally have been home on a Tuesday night? Yeah, we all would have normally been home. that she has no idea where he really here last night. And they're all being cooperative, and they all have information that's positive to our case. Okay, so you're not the only one in this trick bag. I have a core memory of waking up at four in the morning, and it was my mom screaming at Larry because he had a dating app on his phone.

And she was screaming, you know, like, who are these people? And he was just saying, baby, baby, baby, calm down. Like, I forgot I had these apps. That note to Becky in the card, when was the first time you heard about that note? And then the detectives, they told me everything. Was this note in it when you gave her the sympathy card? Does this raise a red flag to you for a guy that's only met your sister five times? Flag number 2000.

Your sister had been custody for deleting a phone call that was very important. And there's a five minute phone call right before Robbie's murder, I mean minutes before Robbie's murder and guess who that came from? Larry. What do you think is going on between Larry and your sister? I thought we went out with him three times. That's what I thought. The detectives told me that she cheated. Yeah I say they both cheated on me. You know her more so than him. I hadn't known him that long. She'd been my sister my

whole life. Sisters don't do that to each other, so... Mandy was the one that called me on the phone. She was crying, telling me about, oh I can't believe that you know your mom was having an affair with my boyfriend. Larry Sr. exercises his right to a lawyer and remains silent and Becky still adamantly denies having an affair. But investigators are sticking to their theory that the two were having an affair and conspired to murder Robbie Dorr.

A few days after Mandy's interview, they question Larry Richmond Jr. again. Do you think your dad's involved in the murder of Robbie? I hope not. I mean, he missed out on 22 years of my life. Why would he want to miss out on 22 years of my life. Why would he want to miss out on his grandson's life? Has he ever talked about Becky before? He said one time that they went out to Pistons.

Yes, Becky was drunk, and the firefighter dude was there, too. And they was just dancing and doing all this. And Becky kept looking at him. He said she was cute and fine. He was like, dog, that's your girl sister. Like, what the f*** are you doing? Is it possible that Larry was just trying to hit on Becky and that she didn't reciprocate?

No. I was like, what's up with Becky? Did you s*** Becky? He was like, no. And then I asked him again. He was like, man, I had to. Like, I was like, dog, you were down bad. Is this your sister? Is this a person or by text?

By person. So the last call that was on Becky's phone from Larry Richmond Sr. prior to February 26th of 2019 occurred approximately around January 12th of 2019. So there had been no evidence of any communication between Becky Foxdoor and Larry Richmond, Sr. for a significant period of time leading up to the night Robbie Doar was murdered. Never went out with him or my sister by myself was offered to and I said I didn't want to. I didn't want to go out without with without Rob. Then by February 26, 2019 Rob was dead. As the Evansville Police Department continues to investigate

Robbie's death, Larry Richmond Jr. and Larry Richmond Sr. head to court. An Evansville father and son are facing federal weapons charges. Larry Jr. pleads guilty to his stolen weapons charges and serves no time in jail, while Larry Sr. pleads guilty to multiple counts of felony firearms possession and is sentenced to five years in prison. And seven months after Becky was charged with obstruction of justice for deleting that phone call from the DA's office, a shocking announcement.

Our top story tonight, charges have been dropped against the wife of a murdered Evansville firefighter seven months after they were filed. We thought here police were onto something, had made an arrest, and then suddenly, they're letting her go. What do they know they're not telling us? It seemed like our life was starting

to get more normal again, but it also kind of felt like it's not over. The obstruction of justice charge against Becky may have been dropped, but Robbie's daughter remains steadfast in her opinion of Becky. I immediately took possession of my dad's estate. I know this sounds really crappy, but I kind of just took everything. I eventually sold the house and I let the car get repoed. I just didn't want her to have it.

I was like, no, you don't deserve this. You don't deserve to be where my dad laid his head. No. I just lost my husband. Honestly, the only thing that I wanted was the car that was given to me as a gift for my wedding. From Rob. That was it. That's all I wanted.

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the wait for justice is taking a toll. It didn't feel like they were making headway on what happened, and that's when my anger started to really set in. I had to do something and make a big change, so I decided I'd join the Army. I was gone for a year. It was hard because I don't know if my mom's doing okay. Becky's son Nathan meets with detectives again and he tells them that she already has a new man in her life. So she's engaged again.

Engaged again? Yes. And like we just discussed, it hasn't even been a year. Correct. She's had two boyfriends before this gentleman. Becky tells us she was never engaged, but admits she did date. I was waiting for her to say something to me, and I thought it wasn't on your hand, too. Oh, nothing.

I called her in a Fedabanker, a murdering b****. Then, on the one-year anniversary of Robbie's killing, a murdering. Then on the one year anniversary of Robbie's killing, a surprise announcement. Police name a person of interest in the case. 41 year old Enzo resident, Larry Holly Richmond Sr. Richmond Sr. had a relationship with the Dorf family. At the time, Robert was ex-keen. Richmond came on our radar back in March of last year

after police say that some guns were found buried outside of his home in his backyard. Now, as we've reported, Richmond was convicted of murder more than 20 years ago. Authorities believe Larry Sr.'s cell phone could provide critical clues in the case, so they get a search warrant and seize it. I'm John Carter.

I'm a criminal investigator with the high tech crime unit out of the Vandenberg County Prosecutor's Office. In early 2021, we were provided with a device that belonged to Larry Richmond, Sr. But there's a big problem here. Police don't have the passcode to get into his phone. In this particular case, we applied the algorithm to the phone.

The computers will literally run every possibility of passwords you can imagine. That takes a long time. In this case, it takes months. But then, they hit pay dirt. One day we came in and a potential passcode had been found. I was calling everybody from the Evansville Police Department, letting them know that we had found the passcode to the phone. Investigators are finally able to get inside of Larry Richmond Sr.'s phone to see what's

inside of it. And what they said they find is pretty interesting. We were able to see his location data that put him near the scene of the crime at approximately 6.35 p.m., approximately 20 minutes prior to the murder. We then had him traveling north and turning his phone off at approximately 6.54 p.m. and then turning his phone back on at approximately 7.20 p.m. near a gas station. During the course of our examination of the digital evidence we

discovered that Larry Richmond senior was using a police scanner app that's gonna raise a lot of questions that need answers. Larry Richmond senior listens to the police scanner app both before and after the murder. We were able to see that he was looking at the news. There's a popular Facebook site in Evansville called Evansville Watch. He was reviewing that. And also, notably, he was looking at photos of Robby Dorr. There were a lot of cached images that his phone was saving from Robby Dorr's Facebook.

Authorities recover a call log from Larry Sr.'s iPhone that shows he allegedly made several calls to Becky in the weeks before Robbie's murder. In Larry Richmond's case, his entire phone, he deleted almost everything in it, but we can see everything that's also been deleted that hasn't been overwritten. So December of 2018 to the murder date, they had 12 phone calls and some text messages. Some of those calls only lasted seconds. If I answered, it wasn't answered and hung up.

You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't realize that there was even that many. He is the fiance of your sister. Are you thinking that maybe he was in love with you? I never got the impression that he was interested. Authorities get a tip from an inmate who according to a police report, alleges Larry Senior confirmed having an affair with Becky

and more importantly, even claims that Larry Senior confessed to killing Robbie. What possible reason would he have to tell a cellmate after he was arrested for the gun charges that he murdered Rob and that he was having an affair with you. I don't have an answer for that because that never happened. You think his cellmate was lying about it? He had to have been.

I don't have an, I mean, I can't tell you something I don't know. So things that were happening point closer and closer to Larry Richmond, Sr. being the person that we need to be looking at. point closer and closer to Larry Richmond Sr. being the person that we need to be looking at. Three years after Robbie's murder, Evansville authorities finally make their move. A short while ago, Larry Richmond Sr. and Elizabeth Fox Door were charged with the murder of Robbie. Larry Richmond Sr. and Becky were charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder. They pled not guilty to all the charges. When they finally told me they were gonna charge

both of them with murder, I was like, all right, let's go, we've got this. They believe that she was part of the murder. At the time, I was thinking, they've got it all wrong, they're wasting their time. What the prosecution is saying is that you conspired with your sister's fiance to murder your husband. But I didn't.

Right. Court TV's newest case, a good one, folks, the firefighter wife murder trial in Indiana. It's the state of Indiana versus Elizabeth Fox Door. So why are they talking about? Barbie he calls her Barbie and then at the end signs that you know who I'm not Barbie My name is Mark Phillips and I am lead counsel in the trial involving our client, Becky Fox-Dore. My name is Rob Phillips and I'm the co-counsel. I've been working with my dad for nine years.

We've tried several of these kinds of cases. It's been a while in Vandenberg County that I can think of this bigger trial. This is a big deal because it had everything, you know, sex, murder. This is the first case I've tried as the elected prosecutor, so the stakes were very high. Stan is the prior elected prosecutor and has tried hundreds of murder cases, so I knew just who to try this case with. I think I said to her in the beginning not totally kidding if we lose this case your career is over. Since this is the first trial in the

county to allow TV cameras in court what is already a lightning rod of a murder case gets even more attention. The public, these are details that they have wanted to know for years, are finally coming to light because there are cameras in the courtroom. Did it make it much harder that this was all televised? There were times that I really wished that the camera was not on me. I have no control. on me. I have no control. I'm a monster to everybody now and that's not the person I am. Elizabeth Foxdor is charged with murder and conspiring with Larry Richmond to commit that murder. Her trial is scheduled to be heard first. She's pleaded not guilty. If she's convicted,

she could face up to life in prison. So we're now at Becky's trial, but because she is charged with conspiracy to commit murder, the jury is hearing a lot about Larry Richmond, Sr. who has his own separate trial scheduled for next year. Larry Richmond is not literally on trial here, but in a sense he is, because to prove there's a conspiracy and that she conspired with him to have her husband killed, we have to show that he did in fact kill her husband. You won't hear one piece of evidence that says they were lovers. That's speculation and supposition.

There is no evidence that Becky Doar, knowingly or intentionally aided, induced, or caused Larry Richmond Sr. to commit the offense of murder, that evidence doesn't exist. Their actions were very much linked and that's what makes it a conspiracy case. Essentially what police and prosecution were saying is that you didn't pull the trigger to kill Robbie, but you set it all up. No. I had nothing to do with it.

Nothing at all. A guard at the jail where Becky and Larry were held before trial tells of a mysterious note attached to, of all things, a packet of ramen noodles. And it's addressed to someone named Barbie. In prison slang, this is called a kite. Inmates will take kites to the top of ramen noodle packs and they'll give them to the laundry workers,

pretty much as payment to pass it on. Inmate workers find the packet with the note attached to it and immediately give this to their supervisor who's a correctional officer. I ask that the witness be allowed to read exhibit 91 to the jury. Hello, Barbie, just wanted to drop you a line or two. They will bring plea after plea.

Don't fall for it. Keep your head up and go to trial. He calls her Barbie, and then at the end, signs that you know who, and he's talking about not testifying to trial. He calls her Barbie and then at the end signs that you know who and he's talking about not testifying at trial. A handwriting expert for the prosecution claims that the handwriting on the condolence card matches that of the handwriting on the ramen packet addressed to Barbie. We also asked to make a determination regarding who authored the letter to Barbie? Yes.

And what was your determination? That one person wrote both of those documents. And so we knew that it came from Larry Richmond Sr. A Barbie letter? I didn't initiate that, and I'm not Barbie, so I died. You get what I'm saying? I've never initiated any contact with him ever. Ever. The prosecution keeps the focus on Larry Richmond Sr. and where they allege he was on the night of the murder. They have a phone conversation around that time that lasts for four minutes and

18 seconds and then he turns his phone off. His phone's completely black with no data at all. The murder happens and then his phone comes back on as he's walking into the Circle K. Around 7-12 p.m. Larry Richmond Sr. pulls up in a Ford Taurus and soon after enters the store and then leaves. He knows the news that a firefighter was shot because he's listening to a police scanner app. But remember, this isn't Larry Senior's trial, it's Becky's.

And the state's case against her keeps coming back to the phone call she deleted the night her husband was murdered. Just 15 minutes before Robbie Dorr was ambushed and killed, the defendant spoke with Larry Richmond Sr. on the phone. As soon as the defendant was finished talking to Larry Richmond Sr., she deleted that phone call. Were any other phone calls deleted around this date and time? There were no deleted phone calls on February the 26th of 2019 other than the deleted phone call from the contact known as Larry Holley. ABC News reached out to Larry Richmond Sr. and his attorney to ask about his relationship

with Becky and the allegations authorities have made against him. They declined to comment and Larry senior has pleaded not guilty to the murder and conspiracy charges against him. The defendant in this case, Elizabeth Foxdor, thought she could delete a phone call and get away with murder. Prosecutors play some highlights of the police interview Becky gave days after the crime. At least can you admit to us that you withheld the information about who you knew that was on the phone call? I honestly did not recognize the phone number.

The defense says there's no evidence suggesting their client planned the killing, and today they tried to hammer that point home by grilling the original detective in the case. There was a phone conversation that you asked Becky about at some point, correct? Correct. And you allege it's with Larry Richmond Sr., right? It is, yes. Is that correct? Yes. Okay.

Yes. You have no idea what they talked about, do you? No. And you know who initiated that call, don't you? He did. Who? Larry Richmond Sr. He did.

In fact, in your investigation, you don't have any evidence that Becky Dyrt ever initiated a phone conversation of any kind with Larry Richmond Sr., correct? Correct. The one big bombshell in this case, Becky's son is about to take the stand. Callers, and raise your right hand. Did your mother ever talk to you about the firefighter tension after the murder of Robbie Dyrt? Objection. Overruled. Could he be the one to actually send her to prison?

It has been a day of motions and objections from the defense as nearly 10 people testify in the case. Judge, I'm going to object to the form of the question. I object to the card for the same reasons I objected in previous hearings. I have a new objection based on his answer. Excuse me, I'm going to object. May we approach? Foxdoor and Richmond Sr. may have been romantically involved. She has photos with him.

She spent holidays with him. And they even went on a double date with her sister and Robby Dore. There's been so much discussion about the nature of Becky's relationship with Larry Senior. Now prosecutors argue they have an eye witness, Larry Richmond Jr. and he's got a secret to share. Although she tells detectives she didn't know him well enough to form an opinion of him, Richmond seniors own son is going to

testify about a time he was with his father. Do you know the defendant in this case, Elizabeth Foxtrot, if you haven't met her? Yes. She got in the vehicle and that's the first time you saw her? Mm-hmm. And did anything happen before she got out of the car? They kissed. They kissed? Mm-hmm. And was it a mutual kiss, or could you tell? Yes, they both went in. It sounds like damning testimony, but Becky's defense team goes on offense.

Your testimony is that your dad gets in a vehicle with a woman in March of 2018 within a matter of days of his release from prison. There's been testimony in this trial that Amanda Fillmore didn't meet your dad until May of 2018. Okay. Larry Richmond Jr. took the stand and told a story about seeing his father kiss Becky

behind Robby door's home in approximately March of 2018. If there's evidence in this trial that she didn't even live there in March of 2018, that put a dent in your story, wouldn't it? Yes. You didn't know who she was before your dad got out of prison, correct? I may have had my time dates mixed with the index. Oh, I didn't ask you that. Is that your sworn testimony here today?

Yes. In fact, Mr. Richmond, would you agree with me it'd be awful hard for your dad to be kissing somebody two months before he met Amanda, wouldn't it? Correct. Probably be impossible, wouldn't it? Correct. Probably be impossible, wouldn't it? Correct. The prosecution says that you were having an affair with Larry Senior.

No. No. No chance. Larry Junior saw you kissing in the car. I have never even spoken a word to Junior, never met him. Now Becky's son Nathan takes the stand. What did you call Robbie? I know he was your stepfather. What did you call him? I just called him dad. You think of him like a father?

Yeah. Did you know Larry Redford at all? Unfortunately. Something Nathan said to the jury had many wondering, could money be a motive for Robbie's murder? The evidence will suggest her motive was financial gain with her media interest in the firefighter pension. Did your mother ever talk to you about the firefighter pension after the murder of Robbie Dorr? Yes. When's the first time she brought that conversation up? From my

remembrance almost the same night. And how many times did you say that she talked to you about it? We had a conversation about it daily and I got frustrated several times and I was like mom there are procedures we have to go through to get to that point. Why are so many people blaming you? Even your own son? I don't have an answer for that. You know your mom was not a beneficiary for purposes of any financial benefit, correct? I don't know who's beneficiary on anything.

If you were to learn that your mom had no financial interest as a result of Robbie's death, would that surprise you? I mean, Chief... No. Were you awarded any of Rob's pension? No. I didn't want anything. I never asked for anything. Lindsay was his beneficiary for everything. I didn't have a problem with it. I didn't want anything. I didn't have a problem with it. I didn't want anything.

The most significant evidence in this case was an eyewitness testimony. The most significant by far would have been the phone call that was deleted. Why that night can you delete Larry's phone? It is a habit for me to delete phone calls. Because Larry's not a person I normally talk to, so I delete it. You're aware that your mom would frequently delete phone calls, correct? Not all the time. All the time. I mean, she would delete a phone call right in front of me.

There is a trail that points back to you. The only reason why is because I took a phone call, I erased a phone call. Over six days, over 20 witnesses testified in this trial. Sons, a daughter, a sister, but not the defendant. In this case, Becky didn't testify. Becky maintained her conviction the entire time that she had no involvement in this crime. They don't want you to listen to the truth. I felt like I just listened to a screenplay of a crime novel that was based entirely on fiction. And now, on behalf of the state of Indiana, I ask you to return the only verdict that's justified by the evidence in this case. Murder and conspiracy commitment.

With that, you may begin your deliberation. All rise. During the wait for the verdict, the jury is out and tensions are high. You're sitting with a client. Her life is going to change in a matter of seconds. And I held Nathan's hand and I closed my eyes. And tears just start flowing. The courtroom was tense in the moments leading up to the verdict reading.

State of Indiana versus Elizabeth, Joanne, Fox, Dorff. Utter silence fills the courtroom as the verdict is read. We the jury find the defendant guilty of count one, count two. We the jury find the defendant guilty of count two as charged. I held my aunt's hand and I held Nathan's hand and I closed my eyes and tears just start flowing. Like that is all we could have ever hoped for. Like that is all we could have ever hoped for.

Did hearing the word guilty come as a relief to you? Yes. Been five years waiting to hear those words. Did you think they would come back with a not guilty? Yeah, because there is no evidence that I asked anybody to hurt, much less kill Rod. None. Is there even a shadow of a doubt in your mind? Maybe she didn't conspire to murder your father. No. Not even a remote possibility?

No. She did this. I believe it with every bone in my body. Everybody just has this idea that she's this villainous woman that was out for money. I want more people to see the actual good side of her. The kind of person that she actually is. It's not adding up. There's something missing. Because other than one phone call, from February 26th of 2019,

law enforcement gained no new evidence against Becky Foxdoor over the course of the next five years to allege or show that she had any involvement. At Becky's sentencing, Robbie's loved ones make emotional pleas. I feel like my world is just crumbling down. I had nightmares for years and I still struggle in battle with them. She took my daughter's poppy from her.

I will never forget the scream, no poppy don't go. It crushed me. Still to this day she talks to him. I used to radiate with pride saying that I was her son. I can no longer radiate with the same resounding brightness. I hope the greatest man that ever lived haunts her nightmares and that she never forgets that he truly did love her wholeheartedly. Thank you, your honor. What's your relationship like with Nathan? Up until evidently recently, What's your relationship like with Nathan? Up until evidently recently, he and I were best friends.

Now, I guess it's not good. Court finds the following sentence is inappropriate on count one. It will be a sentence of 60 years. On count two, it will be a sentence of 30 years. 90 years in prison. So basically, she will be spending the rest of her life behind bars. And the sentence? I'll be lucky to make 30.

I mean, if we're honest. Did the sentencing bring you any relief? It did. He said 90 years, and I was like, she's going to be in there forever, like she's going to be in there forever, like she so deserves. Is there a way you could rehabilitate your relationship with your sister Becky?

I love her, and I forgive her. I know that she did a bad thing, and I wish she would have done it. While Mandy is no longer engaged to Larry Senior, she still holds on to him in her own way. That ring you're wearing on your wedding finger, did Larry give you that? Yeah, he got it for me.

After all that, still wearing the ring. I wear it because I love him, but I was also raised on Jesus and forgiveness. The Evansville Fire Department has honored Robbie Dorr's memory with a plaque and a fire truck. The truck was dedicated to Robbie Dorr, who is our most recent deceased active duty firefighter. Lava, sun, and the Holy Spirit. I've relived that night too many times in the last five years. It still brings back all of the pain.

It's now yours. I know. It's big. I'll never be able to call him. I'll never get to hear his voice. What is that, man? I'll never get to hear his voice. What is that? I'll never get to hug him again. Becky Fox-Dore is currently in prison. She says she's planning on appealing her conviction. Her alleged lover and the accused gunman Larry Richmond, Sr. is scheduled to go to trial

in May of 2025. He declined to be interviewed. That's our program for tonight. Thanks so much for watching. I'm Deborah Roberts. And I'm David Buer from all of us here at 20-20 and ABC News. Good night.