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Episode Date: June 23, 2025ABC News correspondent Victor Oquendo covered the death of University of Florida student Christian Aguilar, whose body was found in a Florida swamp. It became an even stranger tale when the high sch...ool classmate convicted of the killing allegedly engaged in a scheme to try to get himself out of prison. Now two families are without their sons. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Hi there everybody. Deborah Roberts here and with another case that is so fascinating from 2020.
This one, prosecutors say was sparked by obsession, passion, and a love rivalry. The disappearance of 18-year-old
college student Christian Aguilar shocked the University of Florida community where he went to
school, the Gainesville area. Loved ones conducted a massive search to find him, but tragically,
Christian's body was eventually found in a remote swamp. Today on 2020 The After Show,
I am going to catch up with ABC News correspondent,
Victor Akindo, who brought us the latest updates
on this episode on Friday.
Victor, so good to see you.
Hi Deborah, thanks for having me.
I see you on the tube all the time down in Miami,
but we don't get a chance to see each other
face to face that often.
This is rare.
I love being up here in person with you.
It makes a big difference.
Well, you've been joining us on 2020 recently. And one of the things that we like to do on the
podcast is get to know people. Oftentimes, there are folks I've worked with regularly and behind
the scenes, but you and I have just begun to kind of work together on 2020. So I associate you with
Florida. You're a guy who's born and raised, I guess, down there, right? That's a good place
to start. Yeah.
And just to go way back, tell you how I got into journalism in the first place.
That journey started at a very young age.
Mom and dad both worked in television.
My mom, an anchor for Univision for more than 30 years.
She had a show called Aki Iaora, here and now.
It was like a long format style show.
My father, before he passed away, was a vice president at Univision.
So I grew-
So this was just like in your blood.
Exactly.
It's the family business.
I grew up around newsrooms
where a lot of people might walk into one
and be like, what the heck is going on here?
This is so weird.
I don't know how you guys do this for a living.
I was always very comfortable in that setting.
So started studying it, followed through in college at the University of Miami,
great journalism program there. Of course. Excellent school of communication,
started interning, started work at WPLG as a news training. I remember PLG, of course. And here you
are. About 15, 16 years later, here we are now. Here we are. Well, I worked in Florida all those
years ago too. I worked in Florida all those years ago, too.
I worked in Orlando, and I worked in Miami, too,
for another network for the Bureau down there.
So I have a sense of a lot of the areas that you've covered.
And for 2020, I've actually continued
to go down there from time to time.
We got a lot of stories down in Florida, as you know.
This particular one, I remember this going back, I mean,
obviously a few years ago, and it just was so striking. College town, a young man
who is like the pride of his family going off to school, and you know, we don't
hear a lot of stories like this that often. So tell me about your first
reaction to this story. Yeah, I actually remember this one when I worked locally
at WPLG as a news anchor there.
This one, it almost involved the entire state, enveloping everyone, because these kids were from
Miami and they went up to Gainesville. Some went to the University of Florida, some went to a
local community college nearby. We'll get into all of that a little bit later.
We've covered so many difficult stories throughout the years.
And what I tend to find, whether it's a hurricane, a shooting, something like that, people always
tend to come together after a tragedy. And we saw that happen in a way I've never really
seen happen before in this case, where once Christian Aguilar went missing, the hundreds
of people, the throngs of people that descended on Gainesville to help that family search
for their missing son, never seen anything like it. Haven't seen anything like it since. Wow. And that area
is, I mean, it's a southern part of, you know, the country too. This area really sort of personifies
that kind of almost small town, kind of southern feel, which would probably explain like the folks
coming out and really feeling the connection to a
teenager who's missing. Absolutely. Gainesville, it's not exactly a huge town. It is all about the University of Florida there.
That's what you get. But people were driving up the five, six hours from Miami to go help this family.
They were desperate to find their son.
Yeah, well, talk about your background a little bit because obviously you're from Florida.
Did it help at all because we're talking Spanish speaking folks here too?
I mean, obviously you speak Spanish.
How did your background help inform you as you began to report this story?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm a first generation Cuban American.
The families involved here, they're not Cuban.
But still, there is a sense that I knew these families in a way,
in the sense that Latin families are super tight knit. Usually kids, especially the daughters,
will live at home almost until they're married. So for Christian Aguilar, he was going to
be one of the first in his family to graduate from college. So for him to leave Miami, leave
the nest, go up to Gainesville,
his dream school, he had already got the season tickets for Gator football. For him to leave,
that was a huge deal for the family. And he made a promise to his parents that he would
call them every single day. His dad told me he made sure to call every single day. So
when he didn't call, that's when they knew something was wrong.
They knew something was up.
Well, let's talk about diving into this story.
We saw you in the episode on an airboat out there,
with the investigators looking,
and we oftentimes jump into all kinds of scenarios
to report these stories,
which is kind of fun to talk about on the podcast
because we can bring our listeners
into how we go about telling these stories.
I jumped on a boat recently for a story, but this is an airboat and you're kind of out
there in an area that's kind of tough too, to, you know, a swamp.
Swamp.
It's a legit swamp.
There's a reason why that stadium at the University of Florida is called the swamp because the
surrounding areas there are brutal.
It is a true swamp land.
So we got out there, we had Captain Art, he knew
someone in the sheriff's department, so we had two airboats. I was riding along with their sheriff
and on the other boat was our whole crew, photographer, camera. Capturing the photos of you,
the video of you. And I'm talking to camera, one boat to another. Look, I've reported in hurricanes, tornadoes.
I'm used to getting tossed in the elements.
I will say going full speed on a loud airboat,
that's something different.
It's different.
And especially because we were also using drones
at times as well.
So, you can imagine the drone is only as steady as it can be.
We're also on a moving boat.
So yeah, it wasn't the easiest of shoots,
but I think that what we were able to eventually record
and show everyone at home,
and hopefully those who are listening to this right now
is just what that area looked like,
what it was like for this family,
for the volunteers, for authorities,
as they searched for more than three weeks
searching for Christian Aguilar.
Yeah, and that's what's so important,
because you're kind of taking the viewers for 2020
and of course the listeners here now can understand.
We're taking them inside to kind of figure out what that search was like.
So the family is of course just devastated because they know something is wrong.
They're searching for him.
It was a painful discovery for everybody when they finally did discover the hard truth, which is Christian was not alive.
And you spoke with his parents, Carlos and Claudia Aguilar, and we've got a clip recalling how they responded to learning this
devastating news that their son was gone from the Gainesville police detective Randy Roberts. Let's listen.
It's hard to do a death notification for anybody. It's hard to tell them that their loved one's not coming home.
So that conversation with Randy Roberts, where he tells you that they found a body.
He just told me, I asked him, Randy, in your experience,
you know, the body that you guys found in there matches the clothing,
everything that Christian was wearing, and he says, 100%.
everything that Christian was wearing. He says, 100%.
So, you know, at that moment we all start crying.
Claudia, you wanted to go see the body
after it was recovered?
Why?
Because I didn't believe that he was,
he was, he passed.
He was murdered.
Even that Randy said that he found the Christian body,
I didn't believe that.
For me, it's been 30 years I've been doing it.
And that was the only time that I ever
probably broke down with the family.
That was the hardest one I ever did.
You just spent more than three weeks searching for your son.
You must have been exhausted physically and mentally.
What was it like when you had to bury him?
My brain was not there.
My heart was not there.
My physical presence, yes.
But you know, I don't remember everything clearly.
It just breaks your heart. To just hear this, it just breaks your heart. And the parents, I mean they were holding on to hope
and that was a powerful quote to hear from Christian's father too when he had told you
justice is different from revenge. A loving family who you know just had to deal with this
and trying to honor their son's legacy.
One thing that I learned about Carlos Aguilar, Christian's father, was that when he sets
his mind to something, he's going to do it.
The second that his son went missing, he made it to Gainesville in record time, a couple
hours.
It usually takes five to six to get to Gainesville from Miami.
He searched every single day, 22 days, non-stop. He said,
I don't care if we lose the house, I don't care what happens to our jobs,
we're not going to leave Gainesville until we find Christian one way or another.
At the funeral, we saw clips from there hugging everyone. Friends talked about how emotional
that was. Obviously, a very difficult experience. We're talking about kids who were 18 years old when this happened. And then, yes, Carlos said that the focus shifted to
finding justice for their son, not revenge. The quote here, if somebody has done a wrongdoing
and you know it, and it's really bad, that person needs to be brought to justice. And
we asked for justice. We didn't ask for revenge, which is different.
Yeah. And so they've gone from the heartbreak of losing their son and having to bury him to now try to figure out what happened.
And now the investigation begins.
And we're going to take a short break.
And when we come back, we're going to discuss the evidence that authorities uncovered and give us a picture inside a killer's mind.
And Victor, you had a rare prison interview with the person who was eventually convicted.
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I'm back now with ABC News correspondent Victor Akendo talking about his 2020 report on the
Christian Aguilar case.
Just a heartbreaking story.
Victor, we learned through your reporting that police eventually hone in on one of Christian's
friends Pedro Bravo, and eventually they wind up charging him with murder.
Let's talk about that investigation and also charging a friend in a friend's murder.
Crazy.
Yep.
Pedro Bravo was always someone that they were looking at closely for the main reason.
He was the last person who saw Christian Aguilar alive.
Christian and Pedro had spent that day together.
They were on campus.
They got a bite to eat.
They went to a Best Buy to buy the new, at the time, Kanye West CD.
And that's the last time that we actually see any video.
There's some surveillance video. That's when you time that we actually see any video. There's some surveillance video.
There's surveillance cameras.
That's when you see Christian physically.
Then there's another clip at a Walmart nearby, at a parking lot there where they're inside
the car together.
But Pedro Bravo, he was the key to unraveling what happened.
Tell us about their relationship, their buddies.
That must be the hardest thing probably for these families to try to figure out. I mean, these guys are friends, knew each other in high school, right?
So they both went to Doral Academy Charter School. That's in Miami. They were close friends in high
school. By all accounts, Pedro, very smart guy. He actually had a full ride to FIU, Florida
International University. That's in Miami. That's a big school.
And it's a great school. He was also known to be like a class clown, really funny, smart guy.
Christian wanted to be a biomedical engineer. He was off to the University of Florida. Now,
there's a third person here, Erica Freeman. During high school, Erica dated Pedro Bravo.
They break up. Erica goes off to Santa Fe Community College.
It's right next to the University of Florida.
Often what people do is that they'll go to Santa Fe for a couple years, spend a couple
summers and then transfer right over.
In those early weeks and months at the University of Florida in Gainesville, Christian and Erica,
they get involved romantically.
It picks up.
It's clear that they like each other.
Also, it obviously helps.
They're in a new place and being that they both went to high school together. They're from Miami and they're young and they're young
they started dating and
Ultimately Pedro found out and it's clear that didn't sit well with him
Yeah, yeah, and then to the point that we made earlier
You know you get jealousy and rage and all of that that just plays a part here. So tell us about this
investigation. I mean, eventually he's charged in this murder. It's got to be painful for
everybody involved. What leads up to the trial? What is that like, that period, like getting
us to his trial?
Yeah. So there was actually a two-year gap there. It wasn't until 2014 that this went
to trial. But just going back to the investigation alone, seeing Pedro Bravo being interrogated by police, you just saw it unravel in real
time. His story just never really added up. And then it was one thing after another. He
seemed to have an answer for everything. You could just tell he was very slippery having
spoken with him in person.
Yeah, he's good at lying. Yeah. Yeah. I want to get to that in a little bit too,
because you did get to talk to him, but investigators could see that too.
They could see right through it. At first, what he said was, we got into an argument in the car
that we were riding in together and Christian asked to be let out. So I just let him out. That's
the last time I saw him. Then it evolves to, well, we got into a physical altercation and I left him on the side of the road and then I went straight home.
Things aren't adding up here, especially because he kind of does it to himself. The timeline doesn't
make sense. He says he went straight home. He gave investigators the key to his car. Of course,
police are going to comb through that vehicle. They found a receipt for McDonald's. In the middle of the night, long after Pedro Páez said he'd been home, again, he changes
his story.
He says, honestly, guys, I forgot.
I'm sorry I didn't tell you about this.
I took some sleeping pills and I was just a little out of it.
Sorry about that.
It was just one thing after another.
Yeah.
And the inconsistency started to speak volumes to investigators.
And then, before you know it,
police charged Bravo with murder.
Tell us about the results of his trial,
because as you said, it took a couple of years.
Then Bravo is on trial in 2014.
And he actually decides to testify in his own defense.
Pretty risky move there. Shocking, yeah.
So during that trial in 2014, Pedro testified that he and Christian did have an argument,
but he denied killing his friend. He testified that he just left him on the side of the road
after they fought. Now, in August of 2014, a jury convicts Bravo of his charges. He was
sentenced to life in prison without parole and tried appealing several times. All of
those denied. Pedro's mother
told me that obviously there's another family involved here, another set of parents. She
took it incredibly hard and she started crying seeing what was happening to her son. Carlos
Aguilar said that Pedro destroyed two families, his and ours, and nobody won that day.
Yeah. And these are young people. We have to remember college-age people. We cover a
lot of these stories where people are, you know, older or married couples and things
have happened. They've got children. But in this case, these are young, young lives. Well,
nearly a decade after the sentencing, you got a rare opportunity to actually speak with
Pedro in prison. And we've all done these prison interviews before, but this one was really fascinating
to watch.
Absolutely.
And actually to prepare for this one, I went back to an old episode of 2020 and watched
one of your prison interviews to see how this was done.
Yeah.
Well, it's kind of a little strange, isn't it?
It is incredibly strange.
Just get through the security process in the beginning, getting all your gear in,
setting up for the interview, and then you never know, will they already be in the room
waiting for you? Or are they going to bring them in from somewhere else? It's just eerie
to be in a prison in the first place.
And you don't know what demeanor you're going to get from that person either. You don't
know what you're going to get when you're sitting down across the way from a convicted
murderer.
And then for us, and this is really looking behind the curtain here, we want these people
to open up to us.
So it's a fine line, the delicate balance here that we have to take.
But when we got to that prison and went through the whole thing, Pedro Bravo was already waiting
in that room for us.
This was at the Okeechobee Correctional Facility in Florida.
That's where he was serving
his life sentence. And it was the first time in nearly a decade that he'd spoken about
this case since he testified in his own defense.
And what were your impressions when you first walked in and you saw him?
He was silent. He didn't say a word to us. I also didn't want to go over there and introduce
myself just yet. I wanted our crew to take a beat, go ahead, set up, make sure that everything was okay.
Because you have a limited amount of time here. They're not going to, you know, they're
on a pretty tight schedule. So we had in total an hour to get in, set up the interview, roll
on the interview, and then break down and head out.
What did he begin to tell you about not only the trial, but what happened? What surprised
you? The way that he talked about Christian surprised me. It shouldn't have because of
the amount of lies I've heard him tell, just digging deep in the story. But he spoke so
fondly of Christian about how close they were in high school and that he was very soft spoken in
it. You know, like he didn't like he didn't appear to be very confident.
At the same time though, when I left that interview,
I didn't come away thinking,
oh, that's someone who was wrongly convicted.
I didn't believe a word of it.
You didn't believe his story.
No, not at all, because I pushed him on the lies.
Granted, this is someone who's spoken
to professional investigators here.
This is someone who's crafted and honed in these lies.
He might have even believed them himself at some point.
Who knows?
But he didn't break character here.
He stayed true to the story that he'd told all along for 10 years.
And there was definitely a coldness in his eyes.
He's also aged, you know, 10 years had passed here.
You know, he was almost, he was clearly balding when we met him.
It was a, it was a different person, uh, physically, but still.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got some real impressions there too.
As you said, his stories kind of changed and they were all over the map.
Yes, very clearly.
And when he would talk about Christian, he would describe him as like charismatic, how
he, he loved to laugh with him, how close they were.
Pedro said that he was conflicted in high school, that he was starting to have some
struggles there, he didn't really know what he wanted to do with his life.
He talked to us about Erica, he described it as teen love.
He said that he was mad at Christian at first for dating his ex, Erica Freeman, mad that
they kept it a secret from
him.
He talked about the changing storyline with investigators and how he allegedly punched
Christian in the face.
One quote that he told police was, I'm not used to talking to law enforcement.
I was worn down by the interrogation.
He couldn't keep things straight, Deborah.
So those were Pedro's claims.
And we knew that what was said at trial,
that outcome differed from what he said to us.
Right.
I also, I asked him point blank,
did you kill Christian?
Pedro responds, seemingly heartfelt answer, right?
We know what the truth is behind that.
Yeah. Well, let's take a break.
And next we're gonna talk about the scheme
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Back now with ABC correspondent Victor Akendo who reported on this incredible story on Christian Aguilar as part of our recent 2020 episode.
And you and the team include some fascinating updates from the years since all of this happened, since Pedro Bravo was sent to prison.
And there are moments that I'd love for you to break down for us that we talked about
in the report that you learned about two people involved in a scheme, essentially, to try
to get him out of prison.
Right.
So let's start with Michelangelo.
And yeah, that's his real name.
That is kind of surprising.
When I saw that, I was like, okay, is that real?
I know. Michelangelo meets Pedro while in jail. At some point, Michelangelo says that Pedro confesses
everything to him, revealing details that only the killer would know. Angelo would later testify
to this at Pedro's trial. Pedro sentenced to life in prison. Again, all of those appeals are denied. Almost a decade passes with no movement on this case,
but that changes in 2023.
That's when Michelangelo recants that testimony
that was so important at trial.
Also at that time, an alleged eyewitness,
her name is Kelsey Edwards, she comes forward
claiming that back in 2012,
she saw Pedro and Christians fight, and, she saw Pedro and Christian's fight,
and then she saw Christian walk away afterwards.
Just bizarre.
Something's not adding up here.
Yeah, yeah, just bizarre.
Well, investigators determined that Kelsey Edwards
actually had kids with a man named Brandon Campbell.
And Campbell, it turns out, was in prison
with Pedro Bravo, and that's seemingly the connection
between Pedro and Kelsey, right?
Putting it all together here,
authorities uncover communications.
You have calls, you have messages,
financial transactions between Pedro and Kelsey Edwards
that show this scheme that would, you know,
hopefully, ultimately get Pedro out of prison.
Kelsey says that Bravo paid her to provide false testimony.
The state's attorney determines that Kelsey's affidavit
and Michael's recantation are both false
and part of an elaborate scheme
that was orchestrated by Pedro himself.
All of this from prison, by the way.
Absolutely unbelievable.
Well, your report included audio recordings
from the investigation.
So let's take a listen to an excerpt from Florida State Attorney Brian Kramer's conversation
with Kelsey Edwards, where she talks about Pedro communicating with her.
Now, when you first started talking to Bravo, when he first reaches out to you and you guys
have your conversation, does he now start to communicate with you outside of Brandon knowing about it? Yeah. Now it's just kind of you and him talking
and you might talk to Brandon here and there but primarily all this stuff is
now just you and Bravo? Yes. And based on what you said you feel like he was
trying to
have like a personal relationship with you?
Yes.
And then like I feel like he purposely sought me out because like he said in the original case
there was a witness or somebody who said there was a young female also in the vicinity that could have seen something and he said that
the physical description fit the way I looked and
Brandon had pictures of me with our kids on his Facebook
Just so you know, that's all true. What?
Everything you just said. Oh, I'm sure it is. Oh, I'm sure it is by the way
We should point out that
Brandon Campbell was never charged and authorities told us that he cooperated fully with this investigation. That's one of those we're sitting here shaking our heads just even
listening to that. Imagine what it was like for investigators digging deep, putting all of that
together, trying to figure out the connection between these two. Now, Kelsey Edwards, she would
plead guilty to fraud.
Michelangelo pleaded guilty to perjury for his false recantation. Bravo is charged with
racketeering, conspiracy to commit perjury, perjury in a capital proceeding, and witness
tampering in a capital proceeding. So, big picture though, those recordings,
they show that personality shift that we saw in
Pedro.
In our interviews, Pedro said he was scared, right?
While the cops see the other side, hearing those messages, he's more controlling.
Calculating.
He's more direct.
I guess it's that old adage, cameras never lie.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Well, you know, I mean, we heard again in that clip
that investigators found an admission
from Pedro about Christian.
WhatsApp messages that Pedro sent to Kelsey.
From prison.
He was able to communicate so frequently,
concoct this kind of scheme from prison,
while locked up, sentenced to life.
It's wild.
He admits that he killed Christian.
Though this latest admission differs
from what authorities alleged at trial.
Pedro still claims, okay, that it was a spontaneous fight
that led Christian to dying in his car
and then he buried him.
Authorities suggest that at trial,
it was something more deliberate
that Pedro had planned in advance.
This is a version Pedro claims is true, but at least he's finally admitting he did kill Christian.
The outcome though, and this was the final chapter of this very long story, Pedro kills himself.
He was found to have died by suicide in prison in March of 2025. Age 31. Wow. Wow. So this story, the tragedy just continued even years later and even in prison.
What do we know about Christian Aguilar's loved ones today? How are they doing?
I don't know how you ever get over the loss of a son. You know, especially they were so close,
they were clearly so proud of him. His parents loved him. His brother, who I interviewed as well, they were very, very close. The University of
Florida honored Christian with a posthumous degree in biomedical engineering. That's what he wanted
to do. He wanted to help people with his life. After Pedro Bravo's death, Christian's father,
Carlos, actually posted a note of condolence on Facebook to Pedro's parents saying that no parent should go through the pain of losing a child.
Christian's parents showed me mementos that they've been able to keep.
That family's still hurting. Can't forget Christian's brother Alex talking to us about he and his family.
You know, they showed up every single day at Pedro's trial. They carried on for Christian since he didn't have a voice anymore.
Christian's brother Alex, guess which college he decided to attend? University of Florida.
There it is.
Yeah, just to kind of follow in his brother's footsteps.
I mean, what a tragedy on two levels.
As you said, two families devastated in this case.
I know it was a hard one to report.
And Victor, I know for me, oftentimes when I'm covering these stories,
particularly when it's somebody young, it really kind of gets you in the gut. I know it was a hard one to report and Victor I know for me oftentimes when I'm covering these stories
Particularly when it's somebody young it really kind of gets you in the gut So I know this is one that's probably gonna stick with you for a while
Absolutely, and I had friends that went to their high school. I had a lot of friends that went to the University of Florida
These are places I knew well
So this one definitely hit home. Yeah, it definitely did. Well your reporting was just absolutely
hit home. Yeah, it definitely did. Well, your reporting was just absolutely excellent and you brought it back to us and updated us and as always it's so
great to see you. We don't see enough of each other. I'll come back more often.
Yeah, let's do that. Well, thank you. We appreciate you bringing the latest in
this case for us on 2020. We also want to note that if you are struggling with
thoughts of suicide or worried about a friend or loved one, call or text
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Paradise is back.
It's finally here.
In a new location, Costa Rica.
T-T-T-O-G-O.
There will be adventure, drama, and romance.
All gaps, no breaks.
That's my vibe.
Ready to find some love.
But it wouldn't be paradise without surprises along the way.
These kids need to learn.
That's right.
Your favorite Golden alums are crashing the beach.
We bring in a party, baby.
Bachelor in Paradise premieres Monday, July 7th at 8, 7 Central on ABC.
And stream on Hulu.