20/20 - The One That Got Out (Rebroadcast)
Episode Date: August 9, 2025When multiple women are murdered in Texas, police hunt for a serial killer – but is he closer than they think? Originally broadcast 11/17/23 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.c...om/adchoices
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Everybody was scared that you're showing up to Laredo.
Somebody needed to put it out there, you know?
Something was wrong and bodies were being found all over the place.
It was along this dusty road that a rancher found a woman's body face down in that brush.
It is a female in her mid-30s.
It seemed like an actual execution.
How can someone just be thrown on the side of the road?
What kind of person would do this?
A monster.
These back streets became a killer's hunting ground.
There was concern out there.
Could we be next?
And then another victim is found.
And I'm got a female in the grass lane.
Come on, y'all.
Y'all got to hurry.
And I think my whole neighborhood heard me scream.
Just to know that she was, like, left there to die.
I'm sorry.
Nobody deserves that, nobody.
We may have a serial killer on our hands.
I told the chief you need to find him because there's going to be more.
And me, me came to give me, help me.
And that's just the beginning of our nightmare.
That's just the beginning.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
It's a border town, but it's also one of the biggest border towns in the United States.
Avenue in downtown Laredo.
Commonly known as La Sambere.
This is personal to me
because this is often where my mother worked
and walked around.
She stayed around this area.
There would be times where I would have to come
down here to look for her.
Claudine Luetta was a mother.
She loved her five children and her family
loved her.
Let's talk about your mom.
What was she like?
My mom, she was perfect, beautiful, she was funny.
She was the best cook ever.
You know, very thoughtful, very lovable.
You know, always reminding me, like, how much she loved me.
We were, I think, well grounded by my family,
and, you know, we didn't have much, but we had what we needed.
We were known as the Weiritas,
the little white girls.
Because my mother was originally from Glasgow, Scotland.
And my father, he was born and raised here in Laredo, Texas.
Family was very important for her.
She wanted us to have a better life
and felt like she couldn't provide that for us.
So then she resorted to the streets.
She started going into a depression,
and she didn't know there would be a way out.
and we started noticing more habits.
She had her own demons, but at the end of the day,
she loved us.
Did you worry about her safety?
Every day.
I would, you know, cry, pray to God,
because she was on the streets, you know.
I always had that worry in the back of my head.
Claudine was a woman who worked on San Bernardo Avenue.
San Bernardo has a unique kind of character on its own.
It's known as having those little mom-and-pop shops.
It's also known for its dark side, the drug use, the drug exchanges.
It's always been really known as that sort of red light district.
I was born and raised right here in South Texas,
so I know the good people of Laredo are humble, warm, welcoming,
and grounded in their Mexican-American heritage.
You're going to see so much of the Mexican culture here in Laredo.
Laredo is known for the Halapeno Festival.
Go!
Rado!
This town is called the Gateway City.
gateway city. And because it's right here on the border, there's a heavy law enforcement presence
here. This is not a place where people fear for their safety. And that's why the murder of a young
woman on the outskirts of town in 2018 shook this community to its very core.
911.
I'm here driving by Jeffrey's Road.
I believe I found that part here.
I'll go ahead and send somebody.
Okay.
Thank you.
She was found in Webb County, in a Colonia area.
There's nothing after.
Once you get outside of the city limits, it's rural Texas.
It's, you know, it's just farmland.
It's very flatland.
Dirt road.
Not an area that city folks will visit unless they have a purpose to be there.
It was along this dusty road that a rancher found a woman's body face down in that brush.
She had been shot at close range several times.
To investigators, this wasn't just a murder.
It would have happened about right here.
Right here.
It seemed like an actual execution.
Back of the head and shot her here.
Captain Federico Calderon of the Webb County Sheriff's Office and Texas Ranger E.J. Salinas led the investigation and they brought us to the crime scene.
And she was found out in the open where anyone could have seen this.
Right here. Half on the road, half on the berm there, but yeah, completely out in the open.
How long has she been out here?
Hours. It could have happened that night before.
What leads you to believe that she was killed here and not somewhere else and then her body dumped here?
The evidence that was around the body.
I mean, the shell cases were right there next to the body.
The eagle-eyed detectives find 40-caliber shell casings
as well as distinct tire tread marks
that appeared to be from a pickup truck.
And where were the tire marks found?
Show me back here.
So the tire marks would have been here from where he turned around.
And then he just left her here.
He just left her here.
What kind of person would do this?
A monster?
We have new information regarding the body of a woman found in Northwest Webb County.
Authorities have not yet released the name of the victim.
I was extremely worried that that could have been my mother.
That was a fear, you know, I had every night growing up.
Later that day, the medical examiner was able to identify the victim.
But it wasn't Claudine Luetta, as her daughter Sierra had feared.
Authorities confirmed tonight that the victim in this case is 29-year-old Melissa Ramirez from right here in Laredo.
As soon as law enforcement identified the victim as Melissa Ramirez, investigators notified her mother, Maria Christina Benevides.
Two detectives go to your front door. What do they say?
We found your daughter dead in a ranch up north.
I felt my blood left my body and I collapsed.
I collapsed.
I couldn't talk.
I could only cry and scream.
I grew up with Melissa.
I grew up with Melissa.
since we were little, we're best friends,
so I know her since she was a baby.
Everybody just loved being around her
because she was always joking around,
singing and dancing, and she was a human being,
a beautiful human being.
I spoke to my mother, and, you know,
I was very relieved that it wasn't her,
and she did share with me
that somebody from Sambar had been murdered.
The community itself in Semenarlal,
everybody knew each other,
and they would watch out for each other.
What was their relationship like with Melissa?
They were very close.
They would protect each other in the streets.
No one knew what happened, how it happened.
It was just a waiting game.
But it wasn't long before investigators get a break in the case.
A vehicle had been seen leaving the scene of the crime
in a suspicious manner.
Witnesses at the scene had spotted a dark truck
along Jeffrey's Road near the victim's body.
Before the vehicle left the scene,
witnesses were able to get a license plate.
Who was that person?
That person ended up being a police officer.
This photo, this photo here, I guess.
This photo here,
I took it.
This one, too.
This one I also took.
That's with her little boy?
Yes.
When you remember your daughter, what do you think?
That I really miss her.
When do you think of her?
Every day.
Every day I think of her.
Every day I miss her.
At night, I cry.
Every day.
You're lucky you took this.
Good afternoon. I'm Brenna Camacho. It's a story that shook the Laredo community.
Melissa Ramirez's body was found on US 83 North near Camino Columbia Road.
On the day that we found out who the victim was, our reporters started going out in the field.
We had learned that she was a sex worker that was picked up on San Bernardo.
San Bernard Avenue is known in Laredo.
It's definitely a place at night where the sex worker
walk along. You know, there's probably drugs being sold along the roadway as well.
According to investigators, Melissa Ramirez had been on the streets for years,
using money from sexual encounters to buy drugs, but her family says she kept this lifestyle
a secret from them. How did she start working at San Bernardu Avenue?
She never told me that she was going to go to the streets to do this and that.
She never told you? I didn't know that. I didn't know anything.
I never saw her, never saw her drink or do drugs.
Whatever she did, she did, and who was we to judge?
What if she was gonna already leave that lie?
We don't know.
She was private.
She was very, very private.
We do have to think about why people choose to do sex work.
Often it's addiction or the need to feed our children.
And once that cycle begins, it's very difficult.
Colts. Claudine Luetta's daughter, Sierra, watched her mother struggle with those problems.
She never wanted to tell me, like, oh, I'm a sex worker.
She was ashamed, but addicted, right?
And she was, like, severely addicted to heroin.
And she would need to go back to San Bernardo to get that fix.
When Melissa did go out, did you worry?
Yes, I was worried.
Yes, I was worried.
because sometimes she went out for two to three days.
I would tell her, talk to me.
Talk to me because I stay waiting for you.
In fact, two weeks before her daughter's murder,
Christina says Melissa came to her with a chilling premonition.
She told me they're going to kill me just like that.
They're going to kill me with a gun like this.
It's like she saw the future.
trying to find out who did it.
At that point, we didn't know who it was,
because anybody can be a suspect.
And while Melissa Ramirez's family questioned
who might want her dead.
The death her third.
Investigators were chasing down that lead
about a black pickup truck seen near her body.
There was a vehicle on that specific ranch road
where her body was found.
And the homeowners that were at a adjacent property,
saw the vehicle, they see that it was parked there for some amount of time that caught their attention.
And when they saw it drive away, they noticed that there was a body next to the truck.
So they naturally came to the conclusion that truck was involved with that body somehow.
I'm the district attorney. My communication to the deputies who are working the scene is
we need to find this man who did this. We had to find that truck.
Police use any sort of resource they can pool
to get that license plate
and figure out all of the information attached to it.
At some point, they enlist the health
of Border Patrol to track down
whose license plate is this.
At the time, I was assigned to an intel center
that's housed there with Border Patrol.
And every time we run across the name, a number,
I usually call up there to get research done.
And they had cameras out there.
They monitor cameras that's mainly along the river in some brush areas.
That can be helpful.
That can be beneficial.
So that was one of my first calls.
Law enforcement is able to identify the driver.
Who was that person?
That person ended up being a police officer.
It was surprising to hear that a police officer was in that truck and could have potentially been the suspect.
We're making sure that cross your team.
these, dot your eyes, but yes, they're thinking, hopefully, we have the person.
The sheriff's office and the Rangers confronted him, brought him in for questioning,
and they got a search warrant to go to his house and recover weapons and trying to check his
alibis, check his history.
This individual cooperated with investigators and told his side of the story.
According to the officer, he was out with his kids looking at properties for sale.
He never saw the body.
on the side of the road.
At the end, it ended up being a case
of being at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
All of that was corroborated,
and he was cleared as a suspect.
The victim in this case is 29-year-old,
Melissa Ramirez, so far, no arrest have been made.
Once police already ruled out the police officer
as the suspect, they go back to the drawing board.
It was important to try to get information
on any of the Johns or boyfriends that may have been
visiting with her leading up to the murder.
We didn't know if we were dealing with a person
who was in the drug or prostitution world
or human trafficking.
We were trying to find what happened that night
who she was with.
Melissa's mother, Christina, had provided investigators
with the name of a man.
She says spent time with her daughter just days
before her murder.
He was a regular, if you were, I guess.
Customer.
He was driving a vehicle similar to a vehicle that was in the area early on.
And he had picked her up.
And he had picked her up.
When investigators ran a background check on the suspect, they learned he owned a gun similar to the one used to kill Melissa.
With that information in hand, law enforcement sets up surveillance at his home.
Anything could have happened in that situation.
He could be armed and dangerous.
Investigators were prepared for a confrontation.
Initially, you thought you had a suspect.
Yes.
We had several leads.
Of course, being in the business, you tend to pick up different people.
Investigators had...
Investigators had set their sights on a suspect, who, according to Melissa's family,
had seen her days before the murder.
And so they placed his home under surveillance.
Their concern is, what is the situation to be like once we confront him?
They have to be careful with this situation because you don't know,
is this guy going to pull out a gun?
Is he armed and dangerous?
Law enforcement had a clock that was ticking.
On September the 6th of 2018, when they were,
conducting surveillance was the first time they got a look at him. Sure enough, they're
able to intercept him as he's walking out of his home. Once they approach him, they identify
themselves as to what their purpose is. He cooperates and agrees to go to the station and
questioned him as to when the last time he saw Melissa. He relates that it would have been
two to three days before her murder and that he picked her up on San Bernardo Avenue.
He's with her that evening.
And at the end of the night, he drops her off at the Pan American motel.
And that is the last time that he saw her.
He handed over his cell phone and was eventually cleared as a suspect after cell tower data placed him elsewhere on the day of the murder.
At the end, his story checked out.
And at this point, you have some names of Ramirez's.
This is associates.
Correct.
In fact, you followed up on three leads of three men who had known Melissa.
Correct.
And none of them turned out to be the killer.
They all seemed like good leads at the time, and we did our investigation,
and we followed up, interviewed, and we did what we had to,
but at the end of the day, they weren't panning out as viable suspects.
Were you praying for, did the killer be found?
Yes, I had her ashes in the house, and I would get the urn and hug it close to me,
and ask her, tell me who it was.
Who took your life?
I prayed to God that we needed to find the person that killed her.
I know that.
that they were working tirelessly,
the investigators in this case.
We weren't sleeping.
Me and Fred were tied up the hip
for those next couple of days.
They're trying to, you know, hone in on
who could have picked up Melissa, who was this person.
They were literally working nonstop trying to find the killer.
We were out there every day talking to people,
visiting different, you know, residences and businesses,
driving up in town San Bernardo and the areas around
that area and talking to people on the streets,
talking to people in their front yards,
and hoping somebody could give us some information.
Old-fashioned police work.
Exactly.
We had been able to piece together the days leading up
and who she had been with and who she had frequented with,
but that critical time before she died was what we were missing.
I think the number one thing that we wanted to know
to know is to find peace and to make sure that that person didn't hurt someone else or hurt
our family.
With a killer on the loose, the city of Laredo remained on high alert and so did the women
of La Sambor.
I think they're friends that worked in the same industry probably pieced it together first.
Somebody's going around killing our friends.
Melissa Ramirez's case confounded investigators,
they suspected that these back streets
had become a killer's hunting ground.
I'm walking down San Bernardo Avenue,
better known as La Sandville.
It's Laredo's Red Light District.
And although things have changed a little bit since 2018,
it's still business as usual here.
What brings you out here?
I don't know exactly how to say.
I don't really know how to explain myself.
I guess necessities.
You heard what happened.
How scary was that to you?
Very.
I actually was asleep that night.
I was going to be out here, you know, and thankfully I was asleep.
You were going to be out here that night.
Yeah.
You know, because I'm always around here.
So, yeah.
How dangerous is it?
Very.
You never know whose car you're getting into.
Yeah.
Why do you do you do?
I really don't know.
And even after what happened, you're still out here.
It's dangerous.
You think you'll ever leave the streets?
Yes.
All right.
You be careful, okay?
One of the names that had come up is Claudine Luera.
It's a friend of Melissa's who would have been also working.
who would have been also working on the San Bernardo.
Law enforcement felt that perhaps she could have provided information
on the last time that Melissa was picked up.
How did your mom react to Melissa's murder?
She was afraid.
She was worried.
My mother had asked me to get her a taxi
and to pay for it for her to get taken to my apartment.
And she asked if she could stay there then,
because she just didn't feel.
She just, you know, I could tell there was fear.
These are still not releasing much information
in connection to the case of a woman found dead
in a rural part of Webb County.
In the days following Melissa's murder,
there have been no arrests.
No arrests.
Are you feeling pressure from the community?
There's always pressure when somebody's been killed,
especially in this manner.
People cared because how can someone just be thrown
on the side of the road?
road and nothing's done about it.
She's just as important as every other person, so the community wanted answers and they
wanted to prevent it from happening again.
One of the biggest challenges we have in law enforcement is time, right?
So time is the biggest enemy that we have when I say that because only the criminal can
decide when, where, and how to commit the crimes.
There was concern out there, could we be next?
Ten days later, there were reports of a second victim.
The victim was found about a mile away from Laredo's previous homicide victim.
And that's just the beginning of our nightmare. That's just the beginning.
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Who did you think would have been responsible for this crime?
It was a who done it at that time, and law enforcement's trying to catch up.
Ten days into the investigation, you still didn't have much.
We still didn't have much.
And then another victim is found.
Correct.
On the morning of September 13, 2018, a truck driver spots the body of a young woman in a ditch.
about a mile up the road from where Melissa Ramirez was killed.
West County, 911.
Hey, I'm on highway 255.
Okay.
And I'm got a female in the grass lane.
He understood she thought that she probably got hit by a car.
But then close inspection, he learned she was shot.
The victim had been shot in the back of the head, but was still clinging to life.
And I don't know if she's unconscious, but she is breathing right now.
But they're in blood all over the grass, okay?
So y'all better send the paramedic and the police first.
She was probably there laying for hours before law enforcement found her.
I can't believe nobody else stopped for this freaking lady.
Come on, y'all.
Y'all got a hurry. She's still breathing, though. Y'all got to hurry.
Was she able to give you a description of her assailant?
No, she really couldn't process much information other than the amount of pain that she was feeling.
The victim was found this morning after a concerned citizen reported the discovery to the Webb County Sheriff's Office.
She was alive when deputies arrived but later died at the hospital and an investigation is now underway.
There were a lot of personal belongings and even her shoes were there.
There was two casings recovered from this crime scene, but the victim had only one impact to the back of her head,
which was indicative to me that the victim was trying to run away at the time that she was shot.
My husband told me I saw it on the news, it said second victim found.
I didn't know anything, nobody knew anything.
It's a similar circumstance to Melissa.
We had no idea who the victim was yet.
But based off of how she was found and the similarities in the case,
it was natural to assume could it possibly be another sex worker?
News travels fast in Laredo and Claudine's sisters were soon hearing rumors
that she may have been killed.
People are saying that the person they found was Claudine.
That's the word in the street.
I call my sister and I'm shaking and I'm like, you need to call the police.
We have to find her. We have to find her.
The last time I spoke with her was on Tuesday, I believe it was the 11th.
And what happens?
You get a phone call?
Yeah.
I get a phone call.
I answer.
We talk for a bit.
And then I get some messages just telling me how much she loves me.
And she tells me the most beautiful things like, Chula, Ramosa Preciosa, that I love more than
anything in this world to infinity and beyond.
It was like the most beautiful message she had sent.
I called an investigator friend to see what was going on,
and I gave my sister's description of all the tattoos,
all her scars that I can recall.
And she immediately said, this case belongs
to the Texas Rangers.
Captain Caldano responded, and I responded as well.
After surveying the scene, collecting some of the stuff
that she had.
We learned her name.
I ended up calling the coroner's office, but for some reason they didn't want to release any information.
Well, her kids are about to come home from school.
I go, what am I supposed to tell them?
I go, she's not answering her phone.
And I guess, you know, the lady felt sorry for me, and she said,
we can't confirm that it is Claudine Lueira.
And at that point, I just lost it.
I think my whole neighborhood heard me scream.
Colette then had to break the devastating news to her niece, Sierra.
The images that I saw, you know, of the blood on the ground and how much blood could look almost like she dragged her body and she fought and she fought very hard.
that just to know that she was like left there to die I'm sorry nobody deserves that
nobody she had such a good heart and she was just the sweetest lady and she tried you know she had
her vices she had her addiction but she still fought she still tried she still was you know
trying to be present for us.
What really went through my mind was that
she was still alive and she was on the side of the road
and he threw her like trash.
I said, who does that, you know?
Did you wind up asking yourself who might have been responsible?
Yes, I thought it would have been one of her ex-boyfriends
because she was always in toxic relationships.
I was just thinking who else could it have been.
And while Claudine's family questioned who was responsible,
investigators had a theory.
You said that Claudine Luetta might have been a possible witness
to Melissa's murder.
That's correct.
We were looking for her as one of the last possible witnesses
that had seen Melissa with the unknown
who ended up later killing her.
Do you think that's why Loretta was killed?
You know.
He was trying to tie up loose ends?
We can speculate, but that's too much of a coincidence.
You can start seeing that the suspect has created a form of M.O.
That this is the group that he's targeting,
because the similarities are just uncanny.
I've always felt very safe here,
and this was probably the first time where I thought,
goodness, this is real.
This is real.
I told the chief deputy of the sheriff's office, we may have a serial killer on our hands.
You need to get this guy.
You need to find them because there's going to be more.
The information that was relayed to me was, Mr. D.A., we have another one.
We have a female works in prostitution, shot execution style.
Very similar.
Very similar.
These were among the darkest days Laredo had ever faced.
A possible serial killer was on the loose targeting vulnerable women on the streets of La Sanberra.
The women on San Bernardo were more heightened because they're coming after our own.
Some serial killers choose sex workers because
they presume no one will care.
But in Loredo, they cared.
Law enforcement took this seriously.
It was so callous.
The locations where they were found on the outskirts,
it appeared to me that these people were brought
to their final resting pace.
The same thing.
Same thing.
Almost showing it off.
Almost showing it off, you know.
And that's the challenge.
There's the body.
Good luck finding the killer.
It had become a deadly game of,
cat and mouse. And in the wake of the murders, clues left behind that could help investigators
catch a killer. They were able to recover a very good, readable cast of the tire tread,
which matched the tire tread in the first area. Crime Scene 2, Crime Scene 1, Matched. But that's not
all. The Shell cases recovered from Claudine's murder appeared to match the gun.
used to kill Melissa.
We are at the Arena Gun Club in Laredo, Texas,
so we're going to demonstrate a 40-caliber
semi-automatic handgun.
The killer had used the type of gun.
Yes, sir.
Captain, that was a pretty good shot.
What's happening to the shell cases when you're firing?
The blowback from the discharge of the bullet.
it itself, push of the slide back, ejects the casing.
So the firing pin, when it strikes the back of the case,
it leaves a very specific indentation.
Right here?
Yes.
And through forensics, we can analyze it,
and we're able to link the different shell casings
at the different crime scenes.
And whoever killed these women, why did he leave these
all over the ground?
Being reckless, which is good for us.
These are still not releasing much information.
We knew of the coverage of these murders,
but police weren't saying much.
You must have tried to keep the facts of the case
out of the media initially.
That's hard to do, obviously.
Now what we do know is that the case is being treated
as a homicide.
Laredo's a small community.
Crime is always on the front page.
So people started to get nervous,
people started to get scared, and rightfully so.
The thought of a serial killer in a community like ours
was unfathomable.
And now that it was real, it brought along
real fears.
In the aftermath of the murders, the women of Lassanber,
like the young woman we met,
feared that a menacing killer roamed these streets,
and it was only a matter of time
before he chose his next victim.
That is what I'm thinking.
This is going to continue unless we stop this person.
And the very next day after Claudine Luetta's murder,
investigators get a call about a possible third
victim.
It's early evening on San Bernardo Avenue, a man picks up sex worker Erica Benia.
She was taken to a client's home, a client that she knew by the name of David.
But once there, things do not go as planned, and the night begins to take a very unexpected
turn.
He starts making some real bizarre comments to
her. He started bringing up Melissa and how he was concerned police were going to suspect him
because he had been with her. And she tries to calm him down and saying if you were involved with
her, that's no big deal. You didn't kill her. But he's emphasizing, well, she may have my DNA
so they may think it's me. That statement set off alarm bells for Erica. She is trying to find a way
to get out. She starts getting sick to her stomach. At that point he was like, let's go get
you something to eat. And maybe that'll help your stomach. So she went with him. They stopped
at a local gas station that wasn't far from his home. He deliberately parked behind the gas
station near the truck drivers away from cameras or witnesses. In that moment, Erica comes
face to face with a killer. And that's when he pulls his
40 caliber HK and points it at her.
She was the one that really brought the case for us and this video of it.
That's right, a woman running for her life.
Stop right there! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop!
Hey! Hey! Hey!
Three victims and one possible serial killer on the loose, but not for long.
Relax, relax.
It's a real-life thriller that's playing out on surveillance tape and police cams.
And he got very weird on a sudden.
A bad bite.
Then, with 2020 on the ground in Laredo, Texas.
The killer had used the type of camera.
We got another body, bro, by the 15-mile marker.
All the law enforcement around me jumps away from the tape.
They screwed their chairs back.
Everybody rushes for the door
to get in their units to go find her.
How did you find out that she'd been killed?
You could see the monster coming out.
I don't know if you ever see the devil coming out of somebody.
Kind of like that.
You're probably, you're probably again.
You're a problem again.
You're a problem again.
My dear Christina, Melissa were inseparable, you know, and that's the thing that gets me is like, why did you have to take her?
The why may never come.
But after Claudine Luetta's body was discovered,
investigators were able to make a clear connection
between the two victims.
The biggest similarity is that they were both sex workers.
They both worked on San Bernardo.
And also, Luero was found not far
for where Melissa was found.
Families were telling their loved ones,
be careful when you go out there.
Something's going on.
26-year-old Erica Pena
is staring down the barrel of a 40-caliber pistol.
held at gunpoint by a man who picked her up on San Bernardo Avenue.
In the past 12 days, two women she knew had been murdered.
She suddenly realizes this could be the killer, terrorizing Laredo.
She begins to get panicked, and she's trying to leave the vehicle,
and a struggle happens, and he ends up ripping off her shirt.
It was at this service station that investigators got their big break.
A state trooper was pumping gas here
when a shirtless woman ran up to him
saying that a man was trying to kill her
and it was all captured on those security cameras.
So on that night, I finished refueling
all of a sudden I see the lady
coming from the side of the store
kind of rapid walking towards my patrol car.
He took out the gun and he wanted me to get in
and I started yelling.
Help me, help me.
Yes, if where?
Did he leave already?
Yes, I got really scared.
She had to be scared.
She had mentioned to me that she just had gotten assaulted by an individual and that this individual pointed a gun at her.
I know. It's a shock. I mean, you just escaped from a possible kidnap.
It's just that suddenly I had a feeling, sir, of something about him.
And he got very weird. All of a sudden, I got a vibe.
A bad vibe.
Did he assault you when he took your shirt off?
When he took my shirt off, I took my shirt off. I took my shirt off.
get out. They take her to the substation where she begins to tell a story and she
begins to explain about this one guy named David who drives a white truck. She even says
that I was at his house tonight before I escaped. A very pretty house, very pretty. I would
imagine he might work in the oil fields, right? That's what you think. Well, he lives well. He lives
as well.
They start canvassing that area with Erica in the car, and she points out the house where
she had been.
With a search warrant, we got into the house.
No one was home.
He had an air 15 pistols, and they were staged ready for use.
What did that tell you that he was ready to shoot it out for anybody knocking in his door?
A record search showed that the homeowner's name was Juan David Ortiz.
Police issued an alert and started looking for him.
At night, we were actively patrolling 35.
We received a bowl with the picture of the suspect
that we were looking for, along with the license plate number.
Four hours have passed since Erica escaped from Ortizza's truck,
and now seven miles away that same truck is spotted
at another gas station.
One of the troopers saw the vehicle
and eventually matched it with the license plates,
and they waited for the person to come out of the gas station.
Stop right there, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Is this your truck?
Is this your truck?
Okay, all right.
Turn around.
Turn around.
He was saying, you're, you're scaring me, what's going on,
and then that's when he decided to run.
Turn around, please, turn around.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Running at full speed,
The troopers have their body cams on and you see the footage as the foot chase begins.
Where's he at, bro?
No, bro.
He went out here.
He's in here.
He came back up westbound onto the other streets.
When he hooked up to go to the garage ramp, that's when we both lost sight.
So after regrouping, backup does show up.
Troopers, Webb County SO, the Radop PD.
You have multiple law enforcement agencies basically barricading the whole hotel.
Kind of make it seem like the movies.
The police activity even attracted Priscilla Villarreal, known to her Facebook followers as La Gordi Loca.
All I know that Texas Rangers, DPS, the Laredo Police Department, Sheriff's Department are here at this time.
She livestreams the event from her phone.
from her phone.
Everybody has their firearms at hand.
Priscilla isn't the only one posting social media updates.
From his hiding spot, Juan David Ortiz
hears police closing in on him and sends ominous messages
online to family and coworkers.
He turns to his social media page
and starts to send messages on Facebook.
On Facebook saying, you know, this is Doc.
I'm signing out.
To my wife and kids, he said, I love
farewell so he's checking out they started going up the parking garage and they
were doing a very thorough search they clear floor by floor we're checking
doors cars you know every corner that he could potentially be at they finally get
to the top floor where they see a black truck he was laying face up in the
And at that point, we just, you know, we grabbed him.
Where's the weapon at, man?
Yeah, where's the weapon?
Huh?
Where'd you leave it?
What's your name, Joe?
You already know.
Huh?
What's your need?
You already know.
Tonight, a terrifying arrest in Texas.
Police think they've stopped the San Bernardo killer.
But when they learn who Juan David Ortiz is, it raises more questions than answers.
I really couldn't believe it.
Somewhere in the course of that evening,
they find out that he's law enforcement.
Investigators say minutes before he's captured,
people at the Border Patrol Intelligence Center
suddenly realize Juan David Ortiz is actually agent Juan David Ortiz.
They call them and told him, hey, the guy you're looking for
is, you know, one of our guys, supervisor.
I'm completely shocked.
I'm disappointed, obviously.
I'm saddened by the news that it's an agent,
you know, that they have in custody.
This was a border patrol agent that people trusted.
This was a law enforcement officer
who was committing horrific crimes.
It was here in this tiny interview room,
in this very chair, that Juan David Ortiz sat handcuffed
for nearly eight hours.
One of the things that stands out during his interview
is that air of arrogance that he has,
he even made fun of the troopers
that chased him on foot for being out of shape.
Turn around, please.
Turn around.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Hey, who's the trooper I spoke, man?
The chiefs couldn't keep up with me, dude.
Tell him he needs to work out some long, man.
Juan David Ortiz was 35, married for 14 years
to a woman he met in high school.
They're raising their three children in a comfortable home north of Laredo.
Grew up in Brownsville, served a tour in the Middle East.
He was a medic in the Navy, and he was assigned to a Marine unit.
He helped save people.
He did.
I am sickened and saddened by the events that have occurred
and offer my deepest condolences to the families and the friends of the victims.
There was nothing in its background, certainly, that would have alerted.
CBP or have indicated that Mr. Ortiz was capable of anything like this and nothing disciplinary.
This clean-cut guy, sipping water, fixing his hair, lounging, could he be the guy hunting the streets of Laredo,
haunting the border town with a series of execution-style murders?
The next eight hours will tell.
It has to be one of the top, if not the top interview that I've done in this room here.
What's your name?
He has an agreement.
Can you tell us?
He has a reason.
And in the early stages of the interview, what was his demeanor like?
He was evasive, didn't want to really cooperate.
What these?
Help me understand what you're thinking, why it doesn't drive.
Look what these are good to make?
You want me to explain something that I don't know that's about.
There's no doubt in their mind that he is the person.
The big challenge is going to be, is he going to be willing to talk?
Do you have something against drug users?
Do you have something against prostitives?
And he starts talking about.
And he starts talking about how he needs help in the VA
and how he's been affected with the medicines.
I've confirmed that I got PTSD.
They put me out all those pills,
sleeping pills, mimeing pills, all kinds of .
I've seen a psychiatrist a bunch of times.
And there's one word that comes out sort of at the beginning
of the interview that's interesting,
and it's the Texas Ranger that interjects it.
As there were coming time where you're blackout
He didn't know what you did?
Is it like off in or?
Ortiz jumps at it, and he runs with it.
I'm gonna say I had a blackout.
I had a blackout.
It started blacking up with me.
When that started happening, when I drink.
I take the pills every day, so in other words, when I drink.
Initially, he completely denied it, knowing who Erica was.
And unbeknownst to him, Erica's just down the hall giving an interview to police.
That's right, so Erica has already given all this information.
Yes, it seems to me that yes, he had to pass through here.
So it's further over there?
Yes, sir.
He passed through here to get to his house.
Over there.
He lives over there.
Now we know he's lying because we know Erica was in his house.
Erica was able to describe his house particularly inside and out.
You go inside, then on this side you see the kitchen, the sofas, and the TV, and a long table,
and there is a door to exit towards the back over there.
Little by little, the investigator and the ranger are able to confront him with evidence,
physical evidence, photographic evidence.
Look at all this home, please. I just want to say.
40 caliber smith and wasn't from back of the head.
More than once.
Back of the head?
There was more than one shot, that's what I said, more than one.
The investigators show Ortiz's photos of his alleged victims,
Melissa Ramirez and Claudine Luera,
before and after pictures, alive and dead.
That's Claudia when she was alive.
It was what she looked like before.
That's what she looked like after you.
looks like after you, after sharing the encounter with you.
This is what Melissa looks like before.
It's actually in training the movie.
And this is what happened to Melissa after.
She left five kids behind.
So they start to talk to him about the ballistics,
matching the casings to his gun.
And the shell casings we picked up, all 40Kal were.
All Smith and West and 40Kal.
The same type of ammo you have in your services.
Also in his vehicle, he has two women's purses.
You didn't leave anything else in the pickup truck.
My little purse, a little flowered purse that I had with me.
So back here is where some of the belongings were.
There were makeup bags or purses.
Let me start showing this stuff.
It's looking your truck.
It's not your mind.
There's a turning point in this story.
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I didn't do it. I mean, that's pretty traumatic. I'm sure I would remember something like that.
That's on the street.
The interview of Border Patrol agent and now multiple murder suspect Juan David Ortiz is looking hopeless.
He was uncooperative, manipulative, playing games with the investigators.
What are you?
You tell me?
You tell me.
You tell me.
You don't want to get it.
No way, man.
None.
The first sign of emotion comes when Ortiz asks for a photo of his family from his phone.
He reacts to nothing except his family, which is really interesting.
I mean, cold, cold, cold.
And then the one time he reacts is with his family.
Do you know what you're all wearing?
It was the mother's day.
The investigators say they'll try.
Ortiz submits to a DNA sample and photos.
Then the Border Patrol agent gets a new uniform from Forest Green to jailhouse Orange.
My mom's here are in Texas.
No, she really is.
She really is.
I'm the pride of the joy of the whole family.
There's a turning point in this story that's very dramatic.
You served your country.
You've done the right thing.
Help us right now.
Help us to the right thing.
Help yourself through the right thing.
The turning point close to 11.30 in the morning
is when he starts to fidget with his handcuffs.
You all started...
Can you please take yourself?
I'm not in that's actually...
Knocked up.
He kind of just like lets out this breath.
And he's like, okay, I'll tell you.
You know, he tells a friend of mine, not a friend of mine, but like I sound good friends.
Here is that dramatic moment where Captain Caledon is removing the handcuffs.
We felt like that was a moment, so we removed his cuffs.
And sure enough, he let us have it.
He eventually admits what's now.
So he's all in, uh, he's actually a thing.
He eventually admits to knowing Erica and, you know, what happened between them.
Eric was in my house.
Eric was in my house.
What did he tell you about the murders of Melissa and Claudine?
He basically told us the story that when he was an intel,
Border Patrol agent, he used to patrol those areas in San Bernardo, so he got to know the
crack houses, he got to know the streetwalkers and stuff like that.
And he starts off talking about Melissa, how he picked her up.
He was friends with Melissa.
He would take her to buy drugs, that he would just take her to buy food.
The night he killed Melissa Ramirez, Ortiz says she used drugs and passed out in his truck.
completely deep
sleep
driving around
that
he was pinch
he got annoyed
and he just shot her
what he just shot her
what does he tell you about the murder weapon
he told us he used
his
his uh
h and k 40 caliber service pistol
what he used for work every day
His service revolver.
I got in my truck.
I busted a U-turn.
I go straight to my house.
I love you, my new kids.
And he says these words around this time
that were quite just shocking.
This is where a monster came out.
That's when the monster came out.
the monster came out.
You could see the monster coming out.
It kind of took me back, because...
I don't know if you ever see the devil coming out of somebody.
It's kind of like that.
He was so callous about the way that he talked about the women.
He didn't care.
Does he ever tell you why he killed these women?
His claim is that he was, quote-unquote, cleaning up the streets.
He willfully admits he's not planning, correct? After that, I saw it, like, this, I'm stupid. Like, I'm going to clean up the streets, and I only was going to fucking do it.
He willfully admits he's his vigilante trying to clean up the streets of Laredo.
It's quite a contradiction, isn't it?
Absolutely.
He's buying them drugs.
He's paying them drugs. He's paying.
these prostitutes himself.
Correct.
And then he claims he's trying to clean it up.
It was a poor attempt at justification for the horrible crimes he had committed.
So I was like, you know, you know, good people.
So I convinced myself for that.
That was his mindset, that these women, based on the choices that they had made,
that they did not deserve to live, and that he was in a position to be judged jury and executioner.
We'll just have a trial right here on the side of the road, and I'll take you out.
What you're doing is wrong. It's illegal. You're not worthwhile. Goodbye.
And that's just despicable.
Ortiz says Claudine Luera, his second victim, realized in her final moments that he was the one who killed her friend, Melissa.
You're probably to get her.
You're going to shut the .
You're right.
Get out.
She gets nothing.
You're probably going to get her.
He takes her near the area where Melissa was killed,
the outskirts of the radio.
Did she feel coming or she didn't take it coming?
She's not like me.
So after confessing about
So after confessing about Melissa, about Claudine, and about Erica,
investigators ask him if there's anything else he'd like to get off his chest.
And it was that proverbial last question that every cop asks, right?
Is there anything else or anyone else you haven't told us about?
You get something from this man.
The fear gripping Laredo, Texas, now has a name.
Juan David Ortiz, a border patrol agent,
killing the very people he was sworn to protect.
I still remember that phone call my mom.
I'm scared.
Miha, they killed the girl.
And then I think a week later, miha,
another one?
They kill another one, miha.
Elva Enriquez's daughter,
28-year-old Janelle Ortiz,
was a regular on San Bernardo Avenue,
in September 2018 when the killings began.
I did call Janelle because you just never know.
She was like, no, yeah, I'm okay.
You know, nothing will ever happen to me.
You know, all my angels protect me.
When Janelle Ortiz came out as transgender,
her mother was accepting.
She refers to Janelle using male pronouns.
So he started dressing as a girl, high heels, everything.
You look beautiful, like those drag queens.
I would just be safe. Come home, decent hour.
How would you describe her?
Really friendly, really outgoing.
She was really funny.
By the time Juan David Ortiz is in that room with investigators,
Janelle's family is frantic.
You went to the streets at two in the morning, looking for her.
Yeah.
You were wishing, helping.
I was praying, praying.
Back in that room at the Webb County Sheriff's substation,
Juan David Ortiz finally reveals what he was doing
in those missing hours before his capture.
After Erica's escape at around 9, 9.15 p.m. on September 14th,
we know that Juan David Ortiz goes back to his home
and waits for law enforcement.
He's waiting for a confrontation.
Grab my 911, got my 40 cars start loading them,
grab my 11th, start to fucking holding them.
But he doesn't stay there.
He doesn't wait for law enforcement.
He decides that he's going to go back to San Bernardo Avenue.
The next time we see Juan David Ortiz is at the Murphy's gas station.
This is somewhere between 1045 and 11 p.m. on September the 14th.
We have video surveillance of him going into the gas station.
station.
I just remember that they showed surveillance of him getting more bud light.
He grabs three bud light tallies and brings him to the counter.
Walks out and he drives away.
It turns out that very night Ortiz had unfinished business.
After Erica Peña escapes, he returns to his hunting ground, La Sambor.
Even as police throw a dragnet across
Laredo. In just two hours, between 11 p.m. and one in the morning, Ortiz kills again.
He started telling us about Janelle Ortiz and how he had just killed that person.
I said at the 15th, there's barricades, there's gravel mounds. All the law enforcement around me
jumps away from the table, they scoot their chairs back, everybody rushes for the door to get in, to get in their units,
go find her.
We got another body, bro?
By the 15 mile marker or by some gravel pits?
Another one?
That's another one.
Yeah.
Some of the investigators from the WebColty Sheriff's Office went out there and confirmed
that there was a body over there.
He gave you information that only the killer would know.
Correctly.
I get that phone call.
The phone call you never expect, you know.
I went to my niece.
I cried for two and a half hours.
I mean, I know she had her battles.
She chose the path, you know, but she was loved.
Very loved.
After killing Janelle, Ortiz returns yet again to San Bernardo Avenue.
That's when he picks up Guicel
Hernandez's gun too.
She is to a sex worker.
He takes her to the typical spot he goes to in the outskirts of Laredo.
They park under the underpass and he tells her.
That way.
San Antonio's to the north.
Laredo's to the south.
You go north.
He's letting her go?
He's letting her go.
Why are you just letting you go?
And I said, I want you to...
to relay a decision.
She's like, what?
I heard about all this shit
been on the news.
I'm the one that did.
Gisenda takes a few steps away
from his truck.
She turns around and she comes back.
She came back.
She came back to the truck
and she tells him
what you need is God
and God can forgive you
for whatever you've done.
I'm saying, walk away.
Just walk away, okay?
Walk away.
started talking to him, telling him about God, he didn't want to hear it.
I'm telling you to walk away, and you're not listening to me.
Number one.
I just crossed the web interchange over here by Myelmarker 21,
and there's a body, there's a person laying on the ground right underneath the bridge.
Captain Fred Calderon gets a phone call and says,
Captain, we found another one.
As the Border Patrol agent confesses,
an unsettling realization dawns on investigators.
His job had given him access to the investigation all along.
And so it became revealed that he did, in fact,
have knowledge of the help that was being asked
to investigate the murder.
murders that he had committed.
The alleged killer had been helping the investigation.
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We're not going to find it in the news,
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A somber evening in downtown Laredo, one with tears of sadness over the tragic loss.
Liz was the site over at San Angostin Plaza a few hours ago.
Candles flickered over the memories of the four victims.
Juan David Ortiz admitted to taking.
Everybody dressed in white t-shirts, some had already the picture of their daughter or whoever was.
And like, this is me and all my siblings.
Uh-huh.
And we're wearing shirts with my mom's face.
People from the church came by and were praying and we're talking.
I was crying.
I couldn't stop crying.
Tonight, a terrifying arrest in Texas.
Authorities say Juan David Ortiz, a U.S. Border Patrol agent,
agent is allegedly a calculated murderer.
Was Agent Ortiz or the Border Patrol involved in the investigation?
Ortiz did have knowledge of the requests being made at the time of Melissa's murder.
In his confession, he talks about downplaying the requests.
He was the one that law enforcement asked to help them, help locate this license plate,
help locate somebody, a suspect that we expect
passing through this area.
It said like, hey, JD, get you chicken, like that.
So I log in the way and cow.
That's it.
It was something out of a movie because the person you were looking for is the one responsible
for helping you find the person responsible.
What do you mean a border patrol?
And I was like, just in shock.
Like, what's wrong with him?
It was at that courthouse behind me that the public got their first glimpse at Juan David Ortiz.
Emotions ran high for the families of the victims who demanded justice.
Border Patrol agent Juan David Ortiz enters a plea of not guilty in court today.
They bring him out in shackles.
When they're bringing him back out, one of the moms, Melissa's mom, starts yelling at him.
And she yells out in the courtroom,
Assasino, which is assassin.
He turns around and smirks.
Makes you think like, what the hell?
Like, no remorse whatsoever.
Juan David Ortiz, you don't even want to hear his name.
No.
No, I feel a lot of anger, a lot of anger, a lot of resentment, and a lot of feelings of
of not being able to do something for, for Melissa.
Ortiz's legal team quickly secures a change in venue in this high-profile capital murder case,
and the trial is moved 150 miles north to San Antonio.
Adding to the family's anguish, the pandemic delays the trial indefinitely.
anxiety to the max it was the longest four years of my life I had lost hopes already
when COVID hit you had lost hope yeah I'm like I'm not gonna we're not gonna get a
justice the high profile trial that was moved from Webb County to Bear
County is now underway this case the evidence will show is about a man
who betrayed his badge.
He betrayed his country.
He betrayed his family.
He betrayed his community.
In their opening statements,
the defense paints Ortiz as a victim of PTSD,
who they claim was prescribed a toxic mix of meds.
They gave a bunch of psychotic pills.
You know, he was a...
You know, he's under a lot of stress.
He starts drinking.
And then, yes, the issue of blackouts.
That was my biggest fear that they would go ahead and empathize with him and forget the victims.
And my job was to put the victims, you know, front and center.
They called Erica Pena.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Who was the most compelling witness?
Erica Pena.
Without a doubt.
Without a doubt.
out. She came forward, she went to San Antonio, and she told the same story, almost fact
by fact.
Inside the truck, tell us about what he remembers when he pulled the gun.
He just pointed it right at me.
When he pointed it at you, show the ladies and gentlemen jury where he pointed to you.
Right here at my face.
You've got somebody who's obviously intoxicated, she says she's intoxicated.
and her credibility is at issue.
At that time, you were still getting high and regular.
Yeah, but to the point where I know what's going on.
I was high, but I'm alert. I'm still alert.
Erica Peña, she stood her ground, and her testimonies were on fire.
I know the defense tried to discredit her testimony,
but her story from that day,
to the day she was in court years later,
was the exact same.
When you see the dash cam video
and the body cam video of that DPS trooper
to when she's on the stand, it is the exact same.
None of that changed.
That was the most beautiful testimony.
I know it was so hard for her, and you can tell,
you can hear it in her voice, and she's my hero.
You make the top?
Yes.
After eight days of testimony,
and nearly 200 exhibits, the state rests its case.
The defense also rests without calling a single witness.
The defense never denies or not these four women.
Still, in their closing statement,
they try to convince the jury that Ortiz is not a cold-blooded serial killer.
Was it really a common scheme and plan?
Was that really, did they have the capacity to do that?
You have to decide.
He served his country.
And when he came back and he had issues, we did not take care of him.
We created that problem.
We as a society did.
And I would submit to you that given the evidence that we have,
who this young man suddenly, after he starts taking the spills in February of 2018,
to become this, is this guy really a serial killer?
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you will be able to see here
and analyze the confession.
You will see him lie,
lie, and lie, and lie.
He took that first word, blackouts, and he ran with it.
Mr. Pettus comes up here and he asks,
is Mr. Ortiz a serial killer?
I'll answer that question.
Mr. Ortiz.
Was a serial killer then?
A serial killer now.
What really worried me about this case
that the jury would empathize with the defense.
San Antonio is actually known as military city.
It's a huge military community.
So I could see why Mr. Alanus was concerned.
And a Bear County jury is one that I can never predict.
Following a week and a half of testimony and evidence presentations, 12 jurors will decide whether what was shown proves that Juan David Ortiz was responsible for the murders of Melissa Ramirez, Clarina and Lueira, Rizzerda Hernandez-Cantu, and Janelle Ortiz.
I was kind of doubting like, oh man, this might not go in our favor.
You were worried.
Yeah.
I was very worried.
I was anxious.
I was like, sick to my stomach.
I couldn't imagine what was to come.
With the jury, friend the defendant, Juan David Ortiz, guilty of the offense of capital murder
as charged in the indictment.
When they said that he was guilty, I just said, thank you God.
Hearing the word guilty was just such.
was just such a relief.
In my mind, it was just like, OK, it's over.
And tears just start rolling down.
That it was like, I just wanted to scream of relief.
Wow.
I had a heavy heart for four years.
And when I heard it, when I heard it,
just went away.
Finally I had my justice.
And I said, no, you can write in hell.
This guilty verdict for capital murderer
comes with an automatic sentence of life without parole.
The possibility of death was taken off the table
shortly before the trial started.
We would have periodic meetings with
with the surviving family members.
I wanted their input, and there was one family member that stood out.
That family member is Yuselda's brother, Joey Cantu,
who argues to spare Juan David Ortiz's life.
He presents his case in a passionate statement to the court.
He said, you know, I murdered, went to prison for murder,
and I served my time, and I paid for what I did.
When I was granted parole, the sister of my victim wrote me and told me that she forgave me for what I had done.
And now I found myself here in front of the person who killed my little sister.
And I want you to know that I forgive you.
And I hold no ill will towards human.
Did you want Ortiz to face the death penalty?
I did.
I did until I met Joey.
I had literally representatives from the victim's families come together and unanimously
asked me to abandon the death penalty
and pursue life without the possibility of parole
and that they felt that that was justice.
The families of the victims may have agreed to show mercy,
but not all were willing to forgive.
You deserve to suffer in prison and go to hell.
You said you wanted to clean up the streets of Laredo.
Our streets in Laredo will only be clean
when people like you are people.
put a wait in jail forever.
This story is not about Juan David Ortiz.
It's about four women who horrifically lost her lives,
but should always be remembered for the loving women they were.
I love to visit my mom and pray to her
and just affirm her and remind her that we're okay and we're here.
and we're always going to miss her.
What life do you think your mother would want you to live?
The life I'm living.
The life Sierra is living.
She works as a clerk here at the Webb County Sheriff's Office
is something she would never have thought possible.
Because I hated men in law enforcement
after what happened to my mother.
And like now, I've met some of the greatest people,
especially Captain Calderon.
You know, he was one of the main investigators.
in my mom's case and he's my boss now what lies ahead might you become an officer or go to
law school i want to so right now i'm getting my degree in psychology in a minor in criminal
justice i think she would be so proud of it and we should note tonight that from prison juan
David Ortiz did send 2020 a message, which included a litany of complaints about law enforcement.
Yeah, but David, one thing he did not mention is the four women. He's convicted of murdering.
He's appealing that conviction. That's our program for tonight. Thanks so much for watching.
I'm Deborah Roberts. And I'm David Muir from all of us here at 2020 and ABC News. Good night.
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