20/20 - The Scream Murder, Episode 1: The Crime

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

Today, we're sharing the first episode of our newest podcast series, The Scream Murder: A True Teen Horror Story. In episode one, Cassie Stoddart (16) is stabbed to death. Three unlikely suspects and an odd alibi emerge. Can't wait for more? Subscribers to 20/20 True Crime+ get ad-free episodes, early access to new series, exclusive bonus content, and hundreds of episodes from the 20/20 true crime vault. Visit ⁠apple.co/2020truecrime⁠ to subscribe now. Terms apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi, I'm Connor McCarthy. Today, I'm here to share the first episode of a brand new podcast from ABC News Studios and Lone Wolf Media, the scream murder, a true teen horror story. This six-part series will unravel the shocking story behind the brutal murder of Cassie Stoddart, a 16-year-old from Idaho. It's an unprecedented deep dive into a story of how teenage insecurity and the love of horror movies twisted into something terrible. Today, you'll hear the first episode. Let's stick around. New episodes will be released right here on the 2020 podcast feed weekly on Wednesdays for the next few weeks. Or you can listen ahead and get the series

early and ad-free on Apple Podcasts when you subscribe to 2020 True Crime Plus. Just click the link in the description to sign up. Terms Apply. Now, here's the first episode. My name is Shannon Maldonado. I'm the founder of Yowie, a gift shop from the lens of artists and handmade objects. I chose Shopify because when I was testing other platforms, it was definitely one of the most user-friendly. It was important to me to think about where we would be in the future. All of the tools for reading your sales like planning inventory, they're just right there on your dashboard. For anyone starting a small business, the biggest thing I can tell you is it doesn't have to be perfect. Shopify can help you build upon it.

Start your free trial on Shopify.com. It's September 2006 in Pocatello, Idaho. A quiet, isolated town surrounded by mountains. It's the kind of place where people feel safe. 16-year-old Cassie Joe Stoddard is spending the weekend house-sitting and caring for her aunt and uncle's pets while they're out of town. It should be an uneventful weekend. A few nights alone, homework, and TV.

But when Cassie's aunt and uncle return home on Sunday, the house is silent. They call Cassie's name, but no one answers. And in an instant, everything changes. My name is Pat Rogers, and that's Connor McCarthy. And together with Lone Wolf Media, we produced a three-part documentary series on a true crime, which took place in Idaho in 2006. And over the next six episodes, we're going to take a deep dive into that crime, meet all of the people involved in the investigation and the family members as well.

Just on a purely personal note, I've been doing true crime 25 years or so, and I thought I had seen everything until I encountered this story. The time that we spent in Idaho making this documentary, I'm never going to forget it. And I think listeners will understand why this case is just one of one. This is the scream murder, a true teen horror story podcast. So this case as horrifying and strange and as unusual as it was, it started in a very usual way with a call to 911. Before I play this, I just want to warn listeners. It's very disturbing in the description and the frenzy and panic of this caller.

Yeah. emergency nine and one I need an ambulance out of my house okay what's going on there's somebody looks dead on my phone I just got back to my husband oh my god it's like my head me's better

I need an ambulance now so somebody's where it's all my bed ma'am don't yell I can't hear you when you do that let me get your order to medical stay on the line Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The caller was a woman named Allison Contreras. She and her family had been on vacation in Wyoming. And they came back, and as you just heard, they found a girl dead on their floor.

And that girl was Cassie Joe Stoddard. She's a relative of the caller. And she was house-sitting for the family over the weekend. She's cold. She's cold. Do you want to start this part? Hey, do you want to start not CPR? Okay, how old is it? All right, so that came into Banach County, Idaho, 911, September 24th, 2006. Police at this point, they don't have a lot of information. Clearly, this is probably an act of foul play.

They don't know manner of death. Why Cassie was, if she was targeted, there's very little to go on. So obviously, police have to get there as soon as possible to respond. Bannock County, sheriffs, Pocatello Police, Idaho State Police all head out there. They start a search for evidence. They find Cassie dead, apparently, stabbed to death. One of the lead detectives that we spoke to in Idaho, Detective John Gansky said when he received the call,

he knew this one was different because of the nature of the crime and the age of the victim. Yeah. So start off first, though, there's a crime scene video. The video begins. There's a basement entrance to the house, and that's where they start recording, basically. and there's stairs that lead upstairs, and at the base of the stairs there, there's some broken glass.

Keep that in mind that broken glass, because why? There's no window. There's nothing glass near where that glass is found. So right away, they're like, what is this doing? People hear broken glass, they assume it's either from two things, a window or a window within a door to break in, to unlock the door to get entrance. Something broke in, and this is the glass, but that's not the case. And it figures later. The tape continues up the stairs into the living room where Cassie was found. And she's found next to the coffee table on the floor. Yeah.

She clearly was stabbed multiple times, mostly in the torso chest area. Almost all of them. And there was a single stab wound in the leg, which there was a lot of blood, meaning she was still alive when that was inflicted. They look further into the house. Nothing's disturbed. nothing's taken. No sign of a forced entry anywhere. They check the doors and windows, obviously. They consult with the family. Was anything stolen? No. So these are major clues. Nothing taken. No forced entry.

Glass at the bottom of the stairs. What's all this mean? And the scene basically contained to this one area. Was it a stranger who somehow found way in and was able to ambush her? Or was it someone that she knew that she led in. Both are two terrifying scenarios. I think we should take a minute to talk about this time period. This is 2006, 20 years ago. There's no digital trace that we rely on so often now. Not to mention just the advent of security cameras everywhere. Yeah, households will have 30 cameras on every corner of the eve, the ring cam, nanny cams, cat cams, you know, people, you name it, people have full coverage. That did not exist in 2006 in Pocatello, Idaho.

So there's two things. There's what they have and what they don't have. And what they don't have is a witness, a murder weapon, a motive, because nothing was taken. What they do have is a young girl stabbed to death many times all alone in this house. But before they left the scene, and this gets a little tough here, Cassie's mother, Anna Stoddard, was called to the scene. And this is what she said. This comes from KPVI television station in Pocatello. This is Anna Stoddard upon arrival at the house where Cassie was found.

Pulled into the driveway and Frank come running out and says, I think Cassie's dead. And Victor jumped out of the car, ran into the house. I sat there for a minute just in shock. And after Victor ran in, I ran in after him. Victor came out from the living room and pushed me into the kitchen He says no you can't go in there you can't go in there She's dead you can't go in there and I started screaming I want my daughter I want my daughter

It's unfathitable to have something like that happened to you to have your daughter just taken away from you In such a violent unnecessary manner Why would someone target a 16-year-old teenager who was attending Pocatello High School in Pocatello, Idaho. You met with Anna. Yeah. You sat down with her. This was several years ago and walked me through what she told you about Cassie. Yeah, I met with Anna and she described Cassie. Anna said that she was a straight-a student and had ambition at 16 years old to be a prosecutor. Wanted to go to law school and then become a prosecutor. She had plans. And Cassie had told Anna that she said,

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Start your free trial today. My name is Shannon Maldonado. I'm the founder of Yawi, a gift shop from the lens of artists and handmade objects. I chose Shopify because when I was testing other platforms, it was definitely one of the most user-friendly. It was important to me to think about where we would be in the future,

all of the tools for reading your sales like planning inventory. They're just right there on your dashboard. For anyone starting a small business, the biggest thing I can tell you is it doesn't have to be perfect. Shopify can help you build upon it. Start your free trial on Shopify.com. The nature of this crime, the victim, you would say that in a town like Pocatello, a town of 50,000 people, this doesn't happen.

No. This kind of crime doesn't happen. But in fact, it has happened. one other time. Tell me about Norah Jones. Right. So, you know, Pocetel, a very peaceful place, not a lot of murder. But two years almost to the day before Cassie was murdered, there was a very similar homicide. It was Norie Jones, a 25-year-old nurse who was home alone by Cassie, stabbed to death in the wound pattern was very similar. This was already a case.

Yeah, unsolved. Another, this was, this, the Norrie Jones case was already a dark cloud that was hovering over for the police department. This has gone unsolved. It was a shocking crime. It was a home invasion, woman home alone at night. Now they have a second one. Yeah. And Bill Collins with Pocatello police was called to the crime scene specifically because he was working the Norie Jones case. The similar letters between these two cases, I mean, they're both females. They're both home alone and homes. Both of the females were killed in the same matter. That was one of the reasons why I got called there.

We thought this could have been a serial event. I mean, both murders are in September. It's just not normal, and it's not normal for happening in our area like this. They have a problem on their hands. Not only is they have the murder of a teenager, but there are two unsolved cases, and they've got to move fast. Yeah, very similar cases. Just a lot of coincidences that made us concerned as law enforcement.

I mean, and who's next? And when is it going to be next? I mean, those were fears that we had. So remember the name Norie Jones. That is a name you will hear again in subsequent episodes. That will come back. We will talk about Norie Jones again. All right, so the two lead detectives on this case are Andy Thomas and John Ganski

from the Idaho State Police, and they have a true whodotunit on their hands. They have a ticking clock here. Every hour this goes unsolved, the killer could be that much farther away from the crime scene, from Pocatello, from Idaho. Every minute of every day is extremely important. But there's also another component. This is the murder of a child. Yeah. This is the most heinous that it can get. And so clearly the people in that community said, you need to be to solve this, you need to solve this fact. Super high profile. Connor, talk a little about the town of Pocatello. Pocatello is in southeast Idaho. Idaho is a huge state. It's in the corner of it, basically all by itself. The landscape is gorgeous. We have mountains that basically circle the town,

grass covered. The downtown area has this quirky art deco, but then you have the Mormon temple that's up on top. newly built. So there's a large Mormon population. It felt like it was a collision of different cultures in some degree. And when we were on the streets and talking to people who were a part of this, who were affected by this case, or were just residents, they all said the same thing. I live here because it's a good place to raise my kids. It's safe. And I think that's kind of part of what its charm is that people would be left alone to raise their kids, live in a town, where bad things don't happen. Safe place to raise a family and now we have this.

Hours after Cassie was discovered, police need to build a timeline. When was the last time she was seen? Who was she last seen with? So the first person they go to is Cassie's mother because Cassie's a 16-year-old teenager. When was the last time she saw Cassie? Who's in Cassie's life?

They have to start there and work their way out. She had dropped Cassie off on Friday night, along with her boyfriend Matt. She was going to house it for the weekend. So Anna had brought them over there. Matt was not going to stay overnight, but he was going to kind of keep her company. So that's on Friday night, her body's discovered Sunday. So they have between Friday night and Sunday when the Contreras has come back home to solve. They immediately go to Matt.

Why? Because he's the last person that's on and the boyfriend. boyfriend. So what did he see? What was happening? Detective Ganski says they need to speak to him right away, obviously. He was an athlete. He was kind of a, I wouldn't say he was described as a class clown, but good sense of humor kid, got along with everybody, kind of funny, goofy, regular kid, you know. He and Cassie had been dating less than a year. That night, folks come and pick you up about 1130, and then you guys went directly home, back to your house on East Ridge. Detective Gansky is interviewing that, and he's relating the events of Friday night,

and he tells them we were going to hang out, watch a movie. While he was there, two of their friends from Pocatello High School, Brian Draper at Tori Adam Check, both 16. came over, you know, when there's an empty house where there's no parents around, sometimes the word gets out, you know, this might be a party. And that's what Matt said to police when he mentioned Tori and Brian, they came over. They thought there was going to be a party. There was no party. And he, Matt was pretty clear. He's like, I told them there was no party here. And she was like, I'll just be there all weekend by myself. And they were, and they are all like,

oh, you're going to have a party. And she's all like, no. I said she's going to be up there by myself. And they're all like, oh, you're going to have a party. And so they went around and they were all like, I think, I'm pretty sure they're just kidding. And they were all like, oh, yeah, party at Cassie. Party at Cassie.

They show up and it's just Cassie and Matt. Party of four. Party of four. So there are other two friends, Tori Ademcheck and Brian Draper. They're 16. They come over. Four kids. Cassie, Matt.

and they're two friends. Brian Draper, Tori Adam Check. All four of them knew each other from school. Tori and Brian, probably more friends with Matt than Cassie, but they all knew each other. Brian is kind of described as, you know, also not a class clown, but kind of liked attention. He liked the skateboard.

He played the drums. A little bit on the goofy side, I guess he would say. And Tori, sort of more an introvert, quiet, artsy maybe, had ambitions to be a filmmaker. So anyway, the four of them are over at this house where Cassie is, and they watch a movie. They, like, Tori went back upstairs and he looked through all their movies. And he was like, like, oh, this is a good movie. Oh, this is a good movie. Oh, this is a good movie.

Then he found Kill Bill. And he wanted to watch Kill Bill. So he put that on and Tori just sat there and just watched the movie. And that is she not, Tori did? Yeah, Tori, he just sat there and he just... So who found Kill Bill? Tori. He just found it in their little movie collection.

They watched part of a movie, Kill Bill. They play around on a weight machine. They kind of just hang around a little bit. Matt tells police at 9.30. Tori and Brian leave. There's not going to be a party at this house. They leave. They tell Matt and Cassie that they're going to go see a movie in town.

And the movie was called Pulse. It was a horror movie that was out at the time. So they leave. And it's just Cassie and Matt now. And this is when it takes a strange turn. It gets weird right here. Yeah. You know, the detective John Gansky, the lead investigator, told us that Matt says that while they're alone on the couch watching a movie, the lights go out in the house.

And the power goes out in the house. Television shuts down. House goes dark. They are immediately, as you might imagine, a little bit alarmed by this. The dog that was at the Contraris' house walks over to the top of the basement stairs and starts growling. And it's picking up something that's in the basement. Something or someone. They didn't go down there to investigate.

I don't think anybody in their right mind, particularly like a situation. 16-year-old kid is going to go down in the basement to see if someone's down there. But then, suddenly, the lights come back on. So the lights come back on, and that's when Matt called his mom. Because she's a little scared. I told them how she was kind of scared because the lights went out and she was just a little freaked out. So Matt calls his mom and says, hey, the lights went out, that came back on.

Cassie's afraid. Can I stay here? She's, yeah. And mom says, no. But Cassie is welcome to stay at our house. She can come stay with us if she's that scared. Cassie says, I'm going to stay. I'm with the dog.

I have to take care of the dog. And Matt gets in the car and they pull away. And that's the last time Cassie's seen alive. You know, so Detective Ganski is interviewing Matt. And he's telling this, you know, credible story piece by piece. it's making some kind of sense. He's, you know, relating the events of Friday night. But there's something off, says Gansky.

This was his experience interviewing Matt. Yeah, when we interviewed, you know, Matt, you know, one of the things that stood out to us was the fact that his, you know, he was just a bit off on emotion. He didn't react to things like maybe we expected people to. And he just, he was emotionless, and it was just, it was, it was quite odd to us and it was out of the norm for, for someone to act like that when, when interviewed. So, I mean, I guess we just, we need to ask, you know, go to the, go to the source. Yeah.

I mean, so Saturday, you didn't see Cassie at all. No. I could, I tried to call it all day long. So why are you not with her on Saturday? Um, because I tried to call her all day and I couldn't get a ride up there. You know, like, my mom was. that work that day. You don't have a car?

No. Because there hasn't been a day in the last five months that we haven't at least talked to each other, you know, so it was really strange. This is tricky for police. Yeah. Does this mean something? Out of the norm is how John Gansky describes his interaction with Matt. But in Matt's defense, how is a 16-year-old supposed to show their emotion?

What's the norm? What's the norm for 16-year-old who doesn't understand the totality of what's happening. Matt had brought his mom to this interview, not a lawyer, but his mom. And his mom was listening to this, sitting in the background. She's in there because he's in there. He's a minor. Yeah. And they asked, they would say, we can interview him by himself or you can be in the room. And she chose, I want to be in the room with my son. And towards the end of the conversation, they say to Matt, did you guys go in the kitchen? Did you eat anything? I'm going to play a little piece of the police interview with Matt and Detective Skansky and Thomas.

So there's the three of you that are involved in this thing. Okay, there's you, and then there's your two friends who come over. Did anybody try to eat? Did either one of them, Tori or Brian? There are popsicles. We had popsicles. Of course. Teenagers, watching Kill Bill, too.

Give me a popsicle. But it turns quickly because they open these. popsicles with a knife. And Matt starts to go into great detail about this knife. I showed them like this huge knife that they've got like, it's kind of like really sharp and like you have to like pinch this thing to pull it out of its old thing. And not, and like I showed Brian that. Where was that knife? In the kitchen. What did it look like? Just like the knife like that long. What color was it? Black candle and like silver, blade, you know?

I, Matthew, I just found out something that I didn't know what you just told them. You didn't tell me this about any kind of you showed him a knife. That was Matt's mother. Suddenly she enters, she intervenes. Because this is not something that she knew about me,

she's now worried about her son. That would be a very important thing. You didn't tell me not a word to be, this. So this interview is over right now and we will get in touch with you. I got to figure some things out. Okay. Okay. This is an odd bit of information and she, I would say smartly, says interview over. Yeah. Please be in touch with this. Okay. Absolutely. But she does say at the end, will be in touch with you. Later, Matt and his mom, his parents, agree to take a polygraph. Not on this day, but they said they would come back and they would take a lie detector test.

They wrap Matt's interview. It's Sunday night. Cassie was found about 1.30 Sunday afternoon. Most of Pocotelo has no idea that something had happened. I would say a majority of the high school students at Pocatello High, classmates of Cassie's, has no idea what they're walking into Monday morning. We spoke to several former classmates, friends of Cassie's, friends of Matt's, and most of them all found out that Monday morning. They go to school, it's September, it's football season, homecoming is around the corner, they've been in school for a few weeks,

and then bam, they're hit with... news that not only did they lose one of their classmates, they lost one of their classmates to a homicide. Amber is one of those students that we talked to. And here's how she described that Monday morning that she will never forget. I remember getting to school and I went straight to the cafeteria to get breakfast. And my cousin, was sitting at the table crying hysterically and I asked her what was wrong and she told me about Cassie it was like a scene in a movie nobody was you didn't hear any laughter everybody was just whispering crying I just wanted to go home I mean it's just heartbreaking I was I was with her

when she talked about that, and it felt like this was the first time she'd ever openly talked about that moment. I mean, obviously, formative years of high school, traumatic in so many ways. Obviously, Amber was right back in that moment 20 years ago. You could tell she was struggling with that. And there was not only, like, deep sadness and bewilderment, but there was still some fear. This killer is still on the loose. No one's been caught. a high school kid has been targeted, who's to say another one isn't next. It's not far-fetched.

We still have the Norie Jones case unsolved. This is unsolved. There's a certain amount of fear bouncing around the halls of Pocatello High School, too. Okay, Pat, so there's a big turn in this case early on. The autopsy report comes in. Cassie had been stabbed multiple times. 31. 31 times. With surprise, detective, in this report was the medical examiner believed that it wasn't one knife that was used, there were actually two knives used in this.

Which says to them that there are probably, possibly two killers. So immediately they start to think differently about this case. This is a huge, huge moment in this case. It opens up a huge number of possibilities here.

Okay, so now they've got this new information that two knives, maybe two killers, changes the complexion of this case. They turned back to Matt, Cassie's boyfriend, who had left police headquarters abruptly after mentioning a knife that he and Tori and Brian, his two friends, had handled. His mom had said, interview over. But they had promised to come back and talk to police again. They come back into police headquarters to take a polygraph test. So Matt comes in, takes the polygraph, passes.

Once Matt passes this polygraph, they don't move him off, but they move him way down on the suspect list. There is nothing. There is no hard evidence, physical evidence, even circumstantial evidence to indicate that he had anything to do with this crime. There's no real reason to keep pursuing him as a suspect. So they move on to the other two kids that came there that night, Brian Draper and Tori Adamcheck, both 16, both Pocatello.

fellow high, classmates and friends of Cassie and Matt. And Brian Draper comes in first. Here's another scrawny kid who is maybe 130 pounds wet. Unlike Matt, Matt's a football player. Brian is more the musician skater. Greasy hair. He's got the T-shirt, the jeans, the converse. When he arrives to speak to his detectives at the police station,

he's escorted by his mother, Pam. When they asked Pam if she would like to be in the room with him because he's a minor, she says, no, my kid had nothing to do with this. I'm confident in my belief. I know my son, and I'm happy for you to speak to him alone. No lawyer. No lawyer. No adult in the room.

Just two detectives and Brian Draper. My name is Shannon Maldonado. I'm the founder of Yowie, a gift shop from the lens of artists and handmade objects. I chose Shopify because when I was testing other platforms, it was definitely one of the most user-friendly. It was important to me to think about where we would be in the future, all of the tools for reading your sales

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he came from a good home. And he's allowed to interview with detectives alone. And I sat down with Pam Draper, and she explained her reasoning behind that. I think this is important to listen from her. I remember the sergeant asking me if I thought my son could be involved. And I said, no way. There is no way.

If Brian saw somebody hurting his friend, he would have died trying to stop it. That's my son. And I told him that night, I said, son, if you know anything about this, you have to tell it. No matter who's involved, you have to tell them

because if this was your sister, you would want us to have closure. Thanks, man. Yeah. What was interesting when you see the first shot, when you watch the police interview, Brian is in the room by himself and he's tapping. He's a drummer. He seems comfortable.

He's cool. He knows why he's there. But there are no signs that he has anything to do with it. He doesn't look uncomfortable. The body language is scratching, the pacing. None of that is happening. He seems like this. He's in his element in a sense that he's just in his own world.

and he's practicing his rhythms for his drumming. He seems at ease. So here's Brian Draper 16, regular kid, never been in trouble, in a room alone with two homicide detectives. That's not where most 16-year-old kids would ever find themselves. So Brian essentially tells the same story that Matt had told police earlier that he and Tori Adam Check had heard there was going to be a party at Cassie's house where she was house sitting.

No parents. I mean, this is how the word gets out. And then they had showed up, and there was no party. It was just Cassie and Matt there. And he goes through all of the events of that night. And they match exactly what Matt said. And then I do know we went downstairs to give her popsicles, and I saw the gym. Okay.

So we looked at waits for like maybe 20 minutes. Did you play them to sit on them? Did you play with a little bit? So your favorite French might be on those? Yes. We had like a contest. Okay. And yes, I won't.

We played on the weight machine. We watched a movie. We had some popsicles. And then at 9.30, we left to go see a movie in town because we figured nothing was happening here. We're going to go see a movie. We're going to go see Pulse. So we went to check on the movies. We were going to start at 9.45, and we watch movies a lot, you know, and we like to see the whole movie.

So, and I think the only one playing was Pulse, and that was at 10 o'clock. Okay. And you're absolutely unequivocally positive that you two went into Pulse. You two bought tickets for Pulse. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Pulse is a movie that came out in July of that year. were in September. It's a remake of a popular Japanese film.

Tori and Brian were known cinefiles. They're film geeks. So this is what they do. They get bored. They go to the movies. But this is where something odd happens. When Detective Gansky says, well, tell me about this movie, you're a movie buff. What was it about? What's the movie about? I mean, you're a movie buff. These are things that you pay attention to, right? I mean, you guys...

Parts of the movie or so many characters you can hook us up with to describe somebody in the movie, describe what happened, anything? What's the whole premise or the plot of the movie? What's it all about? And Brian, an avowed horror movie fan, says this about the movie he had just seen a couple days earlier. I can't really exactly explain the movies. I don't pay attention to it.

I remember being really really bored. So you go in a movie, you pay that money, you go in a movie, and you're going to pick up at least one image off the screen that you saw. Tell us about one person, describe one person you saw in the movie. What do they look like? I'm seeing a man and he looked at a TV screen and it had white noise and had the shh thing. That's all you saw, the whole movie.

So how long did you think of your understanding? that movie theater? Total. Grand total. We're there. Maybe two hours. Two hours? You were inside that movie theater?

And you don't remember one detail to help us out. They're lobbing it down the middle for him. We need to know exactly what movie theater did you went to. Did anybody see you? Most importantly, what's the movie about? And he can't give one single detail. Early on, they asked him what kind of movies you like. And he specifically mentioned,

horror movies. They went on to say, how about a character? How about a plot point? How about anything? Anything. Anything. Anything about this movie. And so this is, what would we say? This is a tell for police. This is what they call a clue in the business. I think this is important to hear from Detective John Gansky, who was in the room with Brian Draper when they caught him in, not necessarily a lie, but there was definitely a wrinkle in his story. Andy and I asked him some questions about what was the movie about. And this was a point in the interview that it kind of stumped him a bit and kind of shocked us because he didn't actually know what the movie was about.

And so this was clearly a red flag. And this was kind of a turning point in the interview where Brian then admitted that, yeah, we didn't go to the movie. We lied about going to a movie. And the reason why they lied about going to the movie is because they were doing something else. At this point, in watching the police video, you see the dynamic change between the two detectives. Something just fell out of place for Brian. And they don't know why.

They're closing in on a blip. What is this? What does it mean? And this is his approach. And this is what he said to Brian. I think is a very important. for us to listen to what he says to him. Don't waste any more of our time.

Okay, don't underestimate what we know. You didn't go to the movie. That's fine. Well, you're going to have to tell us where you went so that we can put you there. Okay, I'll hold on a second. Okay, okay. I can tell you what we're doing.

I was trying to hide this. But I guess I have to tell you that. I guess I have to tell you now. And what Brian says next, what he tells detectives, is not what they or probably anybody listening to this were expecting to hear. So we're going to get into what he told police and the rest of this investigation as it unfolds in the next episode. Black Friday is coming. Last year, businesses on Shopify made billions in sales. This holiday season, you could be one of them if you start now.

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