20/20 - What Happened to Holly Bobo?: Under the Microscope

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

In episode two of this six-part series, the search for Holly Bobo continues, and investigators start pruning their list of potential suspects. To catch new episodes early, follow What Happened to Hol...ly Bobo for free on ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠, ⁠Spotify⁠, ⁠Amazon Music⁠, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, I'm Deborah Roberts here with another weekly episode of what happened to Holly Bobo Remember you can get new episodes early if you follow what happened to Holly Bobo on Apple podcasts Spotify Or your favorite podcast app now. Here's the episode Where's your playlist taking you down the highway to the mountains? We're just into daydream mode while you're stuck in traffic. With over 4,000 hotels worldwide, Best Western is there to help you make the most of your getaway. Wherever that is, because the only thing better than a great playlist is a great trip. Life's the trip. Make the
Starting point is 00:00:41 most of it at Best Western. Book, direct direct and save at bestwestern.com. On the evening of April 20th, 2011, the arena at the Decatur County Fairgrounds in Parsons, Tennessee was packed. Hundreds had gathered there singing, This Little Light of Mine, a scene captured by the local Jackson Sun newspaper. The Fairgrounds is a large field surrounded by woods. Typically, folks gather here for the county fair or the annual raccoon hunt that happened just a few days
Starting point is 00:01:20 before Holly Bobo disappeared. But on this night, they were here for a different reason. To hold a candlelight vigil for Holly, the 20-year-old woman this community had spent the last week searching for day and night. Outside, a storm was raging, which pushed the vigil indoors to a large event space at the fairgrounds. A lightning strike caused the power to go out, so the space was illuminated by the light of hundreds of candles held by a large crowd of volunteers, family, and friends. Many wore bright pink shirts or pink ribbons on their jackets since it was Holly's favorite color and the color she was last
Starting point is 00:02:04 seen wearing. The Jackson Sun recorded a highway patrol officer addressing the crowd. This is day eight. Y'all are tired. We're frustrated. We ain't brought Holly home yet. We're gonna bring Holly home. CHEERING
Starting point is 00:02:24 Her parents, who were clearly distraught and shell-shocked, had gone before news cameras from local stations like WREG, begging for Holly's return. This is her father, Dana Bobo, and her mother, Karen Bobo, the day after she disappeared. I would tell her I love her, I want her to call us, please. Any way she can get in touch with us whatsoever. That's it, thank you. disappeared. As the days dragged on, the thousands of volunteers and law enforcement who had poured into tiny Parsons weren't just looking for Holly. They were searching for something, anything that could point to where she was. On storefronts, on street signs, on mailboxes,
Starting point is 00:03:10 pink ribbons and pictures of Holly Bobo are posted all over the small, tight-knit community of Parsons. Volunteers say they don't plan on stopping until she is found. It's just unbearable. I can't hardly imagine. With Holly still missing and no sign of a suspect, that hope was turning to despair.
Starting point is 00:03:32 Law enforcement officials began to change their approach. Innundated with leads that went nowhere, they asked the public not to only look in the woods, but to search among their own. We feel like the person is right here in the community and we're asking for the community that if you know of anybody that just has changed their routine since Wednesday that's just acting differently. Maybe didn't show up for work or maybe cleaned out a vehicle or tried to sell an ATV. That's the type of information today that may help us solve this case. We're not going to have tunnel vision
Starting point is 00:04:14 to anything or anybody. I'm ABC News Senior National Correspondent, Eva Pilgrim. From ABC Audio in 2020, this is what happened to Holly Bobo. Episode 2, Under the Microscope. One of the things that stood out about this case from the very beginning is how quickly the town and police came together to search for Holly. When I got there, there were already probably 10 to 12 vehicles.
Starting point is 00:04:48 This is former agent Terry Dykes of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation speaking to ABC News a few years after Holly's disappearance. People that had heard about it and come running to help them. And there were several people out in the yard trying to figure out which way to go, what to do. A lot of people had already started searching in the woods. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation is an independent agency charged with investigating high-profile crimes in the state. Larger cities like Memphis or Nashville have their own homicide units and don't always need TBI's help.
Starting point is 00:05:25 But Decatur County is one of the most sparsely populated regions in the state with just under 12,000 people. In rural areas with limited resources, limited manpower, pretty much they will always call in the TBI. Agent Dykes was the lead agent on the case. Luckily, he knew Decatur County pretty well.
Starting point is 00:05:47 But he says he's never encountered a crime quite like this. It wasn't just TBI that responded to the scene that first day. The Decatur County Sheriff's Office, the Henderson County Sheriff's Office, and the nearby Lexington PD were all there. So were agents with the FBI and U.S. Marshals Service, trained in the art of finding people on the run, like Holly's kidnapper. The Tennessee Highway Patrol sent a helicopter to fly overhead. Officials from FEMA helped set up a command post. Many agencies brought dogs along with them
Starting point is 00:06:28 to help with the search. Some were given one of Holly's shirts and sent through the woods to pick up her scent. In the first few hours, hundreds of volunteers showed up at the Boba residence, on their ATVs, on horseback, on foot, to search for Holly. As the days went on, divers scoped out the creek and the Tennessee River just a few miles away.
Starting point is 00:06:52 You'd think with this huge, rather immediate effort, someone would have figured out what happened to Holly pretty quickly. But this was no ordinary crime scene. The evidence was scant. Some small pools of blood in the carport, presumably Holly's, as well as a shoe print and a still unidentified handprint on her car. They didn't have much to go on. And as Agent Dicus points out, we are talking about the middle of nowhere. These are huge stretches of hilly land full of dense trees, unmarked, sometimes dirt-carved
Starting point is 00:07:30 roads. There are no main roads anywhere near here. There isn't even a stoplight or caution light. The terrain made it difficult for searchers to keep up the pace. Even the search dogs kept getting stuck in the muddy wilderness. It was almost a perfect metaphor for the Holly Bobo case. Nothing about it would be easy or straightforward. AT&T Mobility, this is Dave.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Dave, this is Judy. I work at the 911 Center, Decatur County, Tennessee. We have got a missing 20-year-old female that was pulled away from her home. We need a trace put on her cell phone, please. One of the first things police did was to try and track Holly's cell phone. This was 2011. Holly's phone didn't have GPS on it. That wasn't a regular feature on phones at the time. But the police could
Starting point is 00:08:26 ping it, meaning they could have her service provider send a signal to her phone, which told them which cell tower she was closest to. They couldn't track exactly where she was, but they could tell with those cell phone pings that her phone was still within a few miles of her home. And investigators could later use that data to plot a detailed map of what they said were Holly's movements. We can map her phone to the minute. And that's exactly what I did.
Starting point is 00:08:55 This is Agent John Walker of the US Marshals Service. When I met with him in 2024, he unfurled this giant map. It was the map of Holly's movements he began working on in the early days of the investigation. And he's kept it all these years later. Let's look at this map. Now this, this information, that is a cell dump of Holly's phone that morning. That means anything that Holly's phone registered on during that time is on this. The map shows the area around the Bobo property
Starting point is 00:09:30 with cell towers dotted along the woods. Agent Walker went out and bought an exact replica of Holly's Samsung Solstice cell phone and drove around the area with a representative from AT&T. So this starts around 745 and it's all the calls and pings on Holly's phone. And you take this, and you determine where the tower is based on this first number up here. The last number…
Starting point is 00:09:55 Holly's phone appears to have left her home at around 8 a.m. Then, the cell phone started moving at a fast pace. Agent Walker believes it was in a vehicle. This is the bubble residence. The phone traveled north along this route, traveled about 32, 33 miles an hour north. Holly's phone heads towards the Interstate 40 highway, arriving at 8.26 a.m.
Starting point is 00:10:19 The cell phone appeared to stop moving. It stayed put for about a half hour. Then it turned east onto Interstate 40. A little after 9 a.m., it turned right back into those woods and kept traveling south until it got to a small creek on Gooch Road in Parsons. That's when it stopped responding to pings at around 9.25 a.m. Volunteers who later searched the route
Starting point is 00:10:45 found some of Holly's items including her cell phone. Essentially for an hour and a half her cell phone traveled all through Decatur County. Agent Dykes says the map offers another clue that whoever took Holly must have known the area really well. This is extremely, extremely rural area. You'll go through roads that have one house, then another house three miles down the road and that's it. We're talking about roads that you can sit out and watch for eight hours and there's not a car that goes down it. Whoever did this knows these roads because they knew how to go from this point to this point, this point to this point, avoid this bridge,
Starting point is 00:11:34 avoid every way that a police officer may come in. Agent Dykes started drawing up a list of potential leads. Within the first day, investigators identified two dozen sex offenders in the area and went to check on them. But as police cast a wide net, they began to wonder if their suspect was even closer to home. There were a lot of people that felt Clint was lying,
Starting point is 00:12:02 felt very strongly that Clint was lying and that Clint telling the truth would be the secret to solving this case. Holly Bobo's brother Clint was the sole witness to her disappearance. Police wanted to know whether he should also be considered a suspect. If you'd like to have a seat right there, that'd be excellent. he should also be considered a suspect. If you'd like to have a seat right there, that'd be excellent. On the evening of his sister's abduction, Clint Bobo agreed to sit for a polygraph test
Starting point is 00:12:33 conducted by a TBI agent named Valerie Trout. Did they talk to you about doing a polygraph? Yeah. You asked me what if I did one when I said no. Okay. Does it offend you in any way? Well, the main thing is that I just, like I told you, I don't want that.
Starting point is 00:12:47 I mean, I'm not offended by it. I just want to make sure that everybody is, you know, is really just looked at kind of the same way. Absolutely. Yeah. Before they strap Clint up for the polygraph test, Agent Trout spends about 90 minutes asking Clint to walk through what happened earlier
Starting point is 00:13:06 that morning when his sister Holly went missing. Throughout the interview, Clint repeats what he's said all day, that he and his sister got along, that he didn't have anything to do with her disappearance, and he had no idea who did. You want me to erase? Anytime you need to stop and take a break, you just speak up, okay? Do you smoke? I am today. I normally don't, but I've got something to fuck with.
Starting point is 00:13:34 At the time, Clint was 25 years old. He was about five foot six, average build, brown hair. He'd been working part-time at a local nursing home while studying to get his bachelor's degree in social work at the University of Tennessee, Martin. He had no criminal record, and he'd been cooperative all day, showing authorities his phone, having his body searched,
Starting point is 00:13:59 and agreeing to do the polygraph. But Clint tells the polygraph examiner that he heard some people were talking about him and about how he hadn't intervened as Holly walked into the woods with someone who turned out not to be her boyfriend, Drew. I heard something this morning about Clint was there and he saw it and he didn't do anything about it. And stuff like that is just bother me. Later on, the polygraph examiner asks him about that. Do you feel responsible?
Starting point is 00:14:32 No, I mean, I don't feel responsible for anything that's happened, but I feel like, I mean, I could have gotten a gun and shot that person. Clint said that a few minutes after he'd been woken up by the family dog, he noticed that Holly's car was still in the garage, even though she was supposed to be in school. And then that's when I called mom and asked her, is Holly out of school today? And she said, no, she's supposed to be in school. I said, well, her car's here. Did somebody pick her up?
Starting point is 00:15:04 My mom automatically, no, somebody's taking, be at school. Well, I said, well, her car's here. Did somebody pick her up? My mom automatically, no, somebody's taking her. She just went into the panic of my breath then after I told her her car's still here. She said, oh my god, you know, call 911. Something's happened. But I didn't right away. Just that being me, I just didn't do it right away
Starting point is 00:15:19 because I wasn't convinced yet of anything. I went over to the window, the only window that leads into our garage where Holly parks her Mustang. And I could see like the silhouette sort of the corner of two people's shirts sitting there and they were just sitting there talking. Clint said he believed it was a man
Starting point is 00:15:38 and a woman facing each other. This is the description of the male figure that he gave to investigators, about 5'10 or 11', 200 pounds, and a bit larger on top, almost as if he used to work out but stopped. Clint also described him as having dark hair, long enough to cover his neck. He says he didn't recognize the man's voice, but said it sounded gravely, like a smoker's voice. Clint says he just kept telling himself
Starting point is 00:16:12 it must have been Holly's boyfriend, Drew, taking her turkey hunting. He didn't know what his mom knew, that that man couldn't have been Drew, because that morning, Drew was turkey hunting 22 miles away. Then Clint saw the man and Holly wearing a bright pink shirt walk into the woods. On that trail leads to an old logging road down there.
Starting point is 00:16:39 He says at some point his mom told him over the phone to go grab a gun and shoot the man. After he watched his sister walk away with the man, he says he went and grabbed his dad's 38 cult special and started to follow them. And you went out and did you actually go on the trail? No, I never did walk on the trail, not at that time. I just kind of walked up to the edge of the woods and then I heard someone coming. I heard a vehicle coming, so I walked right down the hill and around the edge of my driveway. Clint says that's when his neighbor showed up
Starting point is 00:17:12 and told him about the scream her son had heard a few minutes before. After an hour and a half long interview, the polygraph examiner straps Clint up to the machine. Time for the moment of truth. Did you physically cause any injury to your sister? No. Do you know for certain where your sister is now?
Starting point is 00:17:40 No. This completes the test. Please remain still. Clint passed the polygraph test. That coupled with the cell phone data, I realized, well, Holly was moving the whole time Clint's been here. To Agent Dicus, that meant Clint was no longer a suspect, but TBI and other authorities kept
Starting point is 00:18:11 an eye on Clint Bobo regardless. In the weeks that followed, he sat for multiple interviews with agents from TBI, the FBI, and the US Marshals Service. It wasn't just Clint under the microscope. The entire Bobo family faced years of scrutiny from investigators, but all of them, as well as Holly's boyfriend Drew, were eventually cleared by authorities of having anything to do with Holly's disappearance. Sometimes people said this to my face, you know, if I had been that brother, I would
Starting point is 00:18:43 have went out there, you know, I would have done something well, but they don't understand. Years later in 2017, Clint Bobo recounted the experience to ABC News. I just wish I had known more. I wish I had known that the neighbor called mom at school. I wished I had known that the neighbor heard a scream. I wished I had known that Drew was turkey hunting in Bath Springs. If I had known what was really occurring, I would have certainly reacted totally differently, you know? I know, I knew my children and knew them well. Clint was, um, he was never a suspect in my mind. That thought never entered my mind.
Starting point is 00:19:23 And so for anybody that's not aware... ABC News also spoke to Holly's mom, Karen, and her father, Dana, in 2017. For them, the stress on Clint added to their own pain. I mean, I just kept in the back of my mind that, you know, the truth is going to come out someday. But watching Clint go through all that was very sad and very hard. And I did stay angry about that a lot because we had lost one child. And in a sense, I felt like I had lost another child because somebody was trying to take
Starting point is 00:19:59 your other child. Yes, the way I feel. But Agent Dicus, the initial lead investigator on the Holly Bobo case, had someone else he believed could be involved. Someone who was close by, someone who fit the physical description Clint gave to the police, and someone authorities believed had the background, the history, and the MO to be Holly's abductor. There are very few things that you can be certain of in life. But you can always be sure the sun will rise each morning. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll always need air to breathe and water to drink.
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Starting point is 00:23:40 we had hundreds and hundreds of leads come up. Everybody called, you need to check out this called, you need to check out this guy. You need to check out this guy. It's been many years since Terry Dicus worked on the Holly Bobo case. And it's one that still haunts him, in part because it set the tone for his final years as an agent of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.
Starting point is 00:24:08 We conducted a thousand interviews and 25% of them were psychic leads. That's right. As the months dragged on, at least 150 people reached out to TBI, claiming to be psychics who knew what happened to Holly or told investigators they could help in the search. But as far as people calling and saying, I'm a witness, I saw this, those leads were miniscule. There was all kinds of leads coming in. We were looking at everybody. Everybody was looked at. Agent John Walker with the U.S. Marshals Service
Starting point is 00:24:42 remembers when one of those leads stood out. When did someone kind of pull away from the rest? There was a point in the investigation to where the FBI agent and DICUS, the TBI agent, come up with a suspect. Who was that guy? That's Terry Britt. Terry Britt right away, he fit the description that Clint gave. This is Art Viveros, an FBI special agent who was working with Agent Dykes and Agent Walker
Starting point is 00:25:14 on the case. He spoke to ABC News in 2024. He also had his eye on local sex offender Terry Britt. He was about 5'10", 11. He had the gravelly voice, and he looked like to be in his early 50s. He looked like he had had a build at one time, but he had a little belly there. 5'10 or 11, gravelly voice, larger build. He also had dark hair, similar to Clint's description
Starting point is 00:25:43 of the man who walked away with Holly. Remember that list of more than two dozen sex offenders in Decatur County, the one police compiled the day Holly went missing? Terry Britt was on that list. He had a long, long history of sexual crimes. In fact, he spent most of his life in prison. And I think he had gotten out maybe just a couple years before the event. Terry Britt had first been convicted of rape back in 1977.
Starting point is 00:26:19 Since then, he'd been convicted once more of rape, of sexual battery, and most recently, of attempt to commit rape. At the time Holly went missing, he was out of prison, a registered sex offender, living only about eight miles from the Bobos, not far from the creek where some of her belongings were found. According to a Decatur County police report, when police spoke to Terry Britt the day of
Starting point is 00:26:47 Holly's disappearance, he told them that he'd woken up at 6 a.m. and his wife woke up at 8.30-ish. Then, he told the officer they left to go to a nearby town to buy supplies for remodeling the house. The officer who checked on Terry Britt reports having seen him and his wife unloading a tub from a truck. A couple of months later, Agent Viveros decided to go talk to Terry Britt again. Britt's house was a single wide trailer, old, kind of run down and it looked like he had
Starting point is 00:27:21 done a lot of work himself. He'd made a carport and he had maybe four vehicles out there, two Dodge caravans, a pickup truck, a white panel van, you know. So we knocked on the door, identified ourselves, and inside the single white was Terry Britt. And I remember he was wearing white, is it called white beaters, I think shorts and tennis shoes. Witnesses told police at the time that Terry Britt had shoulder-length hair for years, which would have aligned with what Clint Bobo says he saw the day Holly was abducted.
Starting point is 00:27:59 When Agent Viveros interviewed Terry Britt two months after Holly's disappearance, he said his hair was shorter, but authorities can't confirm exactly when Terry Britt cut his hair. We started talking and we identified ourselves and why we were there to talk about the disappearance of Holly Bobble where he was that morning. He said, Janet would explain everything. What happened that morning? Let me call Janet. As in his wife, Janet Britt. She came home during the interview.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Terry Britt said he and Janet were together the morning of Holly's abduction. He said they were shopping at a local appliance store for a new bathtub. You've got a receipt? Yes, let's look at it if you don't mind. He said, well, that's in the safe. She had kept that receipt in the safe.
Starting point is 00:28:54 While Viveros found it suspicious, Janet explained that she always keeps receipts in case they were needed for financial reasons. And Terry Britt said he did not know of Holly Bobo until the morning of her abduction when it hit the news. Agent Dykes wanted to check out Britt's alibi. He says he went to the store where the Brits said they'd bought the bathtub enclosure. Agent Dykes says he got all the carbon copies of the receipts from that week.
Starting point is 00:29:25 I went to that place where he supposedly got it and they have carbon copies of the receipt and there is no receipt matching his copy. According to Dykes' notes, an employee told Dykes the store didn't have surveillance footage and that the store didn't keep receipts by customer name. The person also told Dykes that he wasn't sure if Britt was in the store that day, but he recognized his face and said he'd come in several times. Britt has insisted he was with his wife the whole day, but investigators claim they found phone records that show Britt calling his wife three times that afternoon.
Starting point is 00:30:03 We reached out to Terry and Janet Britt, but didn't get a response. The FBI and TBI secured a search warrant on the house and brought trained dogs to scour his property. They were looking for the smell of human decomposition. According to the police, the dogs went around his backyard and through his cars. Police say the dogs alerted detectives to some tools as well as two of Britt's vehicles,
Starting point is 00:30:33 but testing showed there was no DNA or blood there. Britt said he doesn't know why the dogs would have picked up on the scent of human decomposition and continued to deny any involvement. Authorities also found some hairs on his property and in his cars. They sent the hairs to the FBI's crime lab in Quantico, Virginia, along with samples from Holly's hairbrush for comparison. This is when investigators believed that maybe they finally had what they needed to get Holley's kidnapper. Agent Walker with the U.S. Marshals Service explains what happened
Starting point is 00:31:13 when the results came back from the crime lab. And they said that the Hares were microscopically similar to Holley's. According to an FBI report, investigators determined hair found in the debris among similar to Holly's. According to an FBI report, investigators determined hair found in the debris among Brett's GMC van and hair in the debris from rope found inside his Dodge caravan, quote, exhibit the same microscopic characteristics, unquote, as hair found in Holly's hairbrush. The FBI report did not say what exactly those characteristics were, but this kind of test is usually a precursor
Starting point is 00:31:53 to a more precise DNA test. And when they tested further, they found the hairs were not a DNA match to Holly. When asked about the hair with the same characteristics as Holly's, Terry Britt said, I don't see how that's possible. He did say his sister also had blonde hair, but he insisted he'd never met Holly Bobo. The investigators leading the case continued looking into Terry Britt.
Starting point is 00:32:22 They wanted to know what he might say when he wasn't speaking with the police. The FBI is well known for doing wiretaps. And TB had never done that before. So this is going to be their first wiretap. FBI agent Art Viveros remembers listening in on Terry Britt's phone calls as he helped TB with this effort. I overheard Terry Britt receive a call from his sister,
Starting point is 00:32:49 but he gets off the phone. TBI had bugged the Britt house as well. Agent Viveros recalls hearing Britt talking to who he believes was Janet shortly after, right there in the room. He says, those horrors, meaning law enforcement, those horrors are going to try to pin this case on me, the Holly Brobel case on me. He says, I didn't know the, you know, any use of profanity to describe Holly. And he says, you know, I wouldn't do something like that.
Starting point is 00:33:21 I didn't know exactly who he was talking to, but I assumed it was Janet. He said, you know, I wouldn't do something like that. But agents couldn't confirm it was Janet he was speaking to. And ultimately, the suspicions that Britt might own up to something in private were fruitless. He did not confess and there was no smoking gun. At one point, Agent Dicus brought recordings of voice samples to Clint. To see if he could identify the gravelly male voice,
Starting point is 00:33:52 he said he heard in the garage. Clint was able to narrow them down to two different voices. He says he thought they sounded very similar. TBI said one of those voices was Terry Britt's. Agent Dykes kept trying to get a confession from Britt. I believe this was probably the second or third time I talked to him, so he's kind of opened up to me a little bit. In 2012, Terry Britt was sent back to prison
Starting point is 00:34:22 after pleading guilty to attempted rape and kidnapping in a separate case. Agent Dicus went to go visit him and recorded the conversation. Brit later said that he wasn't aware Dicus was recording. Brit continued to deny any involvement in Holly's disappearance and said he had an alibi. But the two talked about Britt's own criminal history and his thoughts on the Bobo case. Terry Britt began to speculate about how someone might have committed this crime. Like you said before, she's young, pretty, perfect, somewhat body.
Starting point is 00:35:08 Yeah. Okay, like a toy, some people would think. He started musing about what the abductor's motive might be. If he's doing it for himself, for his own benefit, and he's gonna it for his self, for his own benefit, and he's gonna go snatch her up, he can't wait to get her to wherever he's gonna take her to because he's moving that body. Right. All right?
Starting point is 00:35:34 He's gonna make mistakes along the way. I mean, he's gotta make some mistakes. Sure. Okay? He's gotta do whatever he wants to do with her, to her, with you got her. You can do whatever you want to do with her. To her, with her, whatever. But when he gets done, that's when reality sets in. See, right now it's just fantasy world.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Right. But here comes reality. Now I've got a body. What am I gonna do with it? Because if you keep it, you've got to feed it. You've got to hide it. And if you kill it, what are you going to do with it?
Starting point is 00:36:21 I could be wrong, but the way I took it is he's really living the story and when he gets to the point where she's no longer alive, he changes from talking about her as a person to talk about her as a nit. At this point, 16 months had passed since Holly's disappearance. Despite efforts by TBI and FBI, they were unable to find evidence to charge Terry Britt. And within TBI, there was now disagreement. Agent Dykes' superiors felt like he had tunnel vision and thought they should look at other suspects. Ultimately, Terry Britt was cleared by TBI, which meant investigators were back to square one, and under increasing pressure to find answers.
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