20/20 - Who Is The Delphi Killer?

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

Murdered in broad daylight, everyone wants to know what happened to teenagers Abby Williams and Libby German. Who is the Delphi killer? Originally aired 11/07/2024 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hey there, 2020 listeners. This is Deborah Roberts, co-anchor of 2020. Today on the podcast, the chilling story of two young girls murdered in broad daylight and the tireless hunt to track down their killer. The story comes from our colleagues at Impact by Nightline. It's called, Who is the Delphi Killer? Everything was normal up till February the 13th. Delphi was the safest place any of us felt like we couldn't be. Two girls disappeared without a trace, found brutally murdered. Who would be so barbaric? Who would kill two teenage girls? A haunting image of the suspected killer.

We have his face, the way he walks, what he sounds like, and still no one's in custody. Spawning internet sleuths. This bridge is like really high up. He was right about there. This exact path that we're taking right now is what the killer walked. The case kept under wraps for seven years, until now.

What led authorities to believe this man, a local father, was responsible? He worked at CVS. He lived right there. He was hiding in plain sight. The new details coming to light and the trial happening right now. I thought this was probably one of the craziest defenses. The defense from the beginning has been blaming the murders on odinism, what they describe as a Nordic cult with ties to white supremacy. Not everyone is convinced they even have the right guy. How was this man arrested?

There was no DNA link between Richard Allen and the crime scene. Is Richard Allen really in Delphi, Indiana back in 2017. Opening statements are set to get underway. His lawyers claim shoddy police work puts the evidence in doubt. It's the case that gripped the world. This was one of those that the moment it happened, people became obsessed with it. Two eighth grade girls disappear on a hike in the tiny town of Delphi, Indiana.

The girls were dropped off on this trail for what was supposed to be a hike and a fun afternoon. What came next? A horrific double murder in broad daylight that would shatter this community. The Cecilia 3000 is on edge. Two bodies found, no one in custody. The bodies have been positively identified as Abigail J. Williams, 13, of the Delphi area, and Liberty Rose Lynn, German, 14.

This is considered double homicide investigation. Now the trial unfolding before the world. Everyone and anyone. Mainstream media is trying to get in. YouTubers are trying to get in. Locals are trying to get in. Is this man the Delphi killer? Who would be so barbaric?

Who would kill two teenage girls? Will there finally be justice after a frantic five-year search for the murderer? Tens of thousands of tips pouring in? And a critical piece of evidence, video recorded by one of the girls pointing directly to a suspect? For a long time, the question was, who is Bridge Guy? A lot of people in town thought they recognized him. Here he is. Delphi. That's the guy. Can you find the guy? We have his face, his voice, his image, the way he walks, what he sounds like. This bridge is like really high up. He was right about there.

In its wake, a true crime frenzy. Some really interesting, pretty disturbing stuff. I've got some pictures. Armchair detectives trying to solve what happened to Abby and Libby. There was obvious blood around this tree. Every twist and turn in the case, ramping up the mystery.

Just how gruesome was this when you saw the images? It was horrific. We start to hear some of the details of what exactly happened to the girls. That they were found in a pool of blood, that there was a bullet found in between both girls. Were there clues hiding in plain sight? Everybody became a suspect.

I mean, everybody. Investigators are drowning in tips, tens of thousands of tips, following thousands of leads, yet they have no suspect in hand and there have been no arrests. The surprise break in the case. Since the murders of Abby and Libby,

2,0886 days ago, I am proud to report to you that an arrest has been made. Police arresting this man, Richard Allen, charging him with double murder. He worked at CVS, he lived right there,

he was hiding in plain sight. So my first thoughts are, how'd you miss this guy? But how strong is the prosecution's case? Mr. Allen confessed 60 times. 60 times is a lot. But Allen's defense attorneys raised the question, was he coerced into confessing?

Now, the high-stakes trial. What mysteries are being revealed about the Delphi murders? Is Richard Allen the man on the bridge? The mind-bending murder theory his defense team proposed really happened to the girls. The defense from the beginning has been blaming the murders on Odinism,

what they describe as a Nordic cult with ties to white supremacy. The Odinist theory, that Odinists were ritually sacrificing to young white girls, to Odin, that was a baffling idea. Will he be convicted, or will he walk free? Is there any world in which he could win over this jury, you think?

Yes, absolutely 100%. I think in 2017, Delphi was the safest place any of us felt like we could be. We would leave our doors unlocked, we didn't have security systems. Everybody says hi, throws a wave up, you know always willing to stop and help somebody out. That's just the way it is. In the soul of small town America, in the beating heart of Hoosier country, an unthinkable crime, in the victims, best friends, 14-year-old Liberty German,

and 13-year-old Abigail Williams. They had the same interests in music and arts, had played volleyball together. This is a quilt that we had made that tells a little bit of Libby's life. Libby wanted to try everything. She wasn't afraid of anything, except the dark. She was very giving, very stick up for the underdog. We were inseparable. We were always together.

Everything was normal up until February the 13th, 2017. An unseasonably warm winter's day in 2017. It was a beautiful day that the girls said, you know what, let's hang out together. BFFs, they went out for a walk. The destination? The Monon High Bridge Trail, a popular hiking spot that runs a mile and a half through the town. I was getting ready for work and Libby busts open the bathroom door and she says, hey, can we go to High Bridge today?

The moment I dropped them off and Libby got out of the car and turned around and told me she loved me. And just knowing that those were the last words is one of the most helpful things to me. Hours later, when the girls were supposed to meet Libby's father to be picked up, they were nowhere to be found. Becky tried to call and wouldn't get any response, so she called me probably about four o'clock.

And she said, hey, we're not getting any, can't get ahold of Libby. I said, all right, let me pack up here and I'll head that way. Just walking up and down trails, trying to look and hollering and yelling. She said, it's starting to get dark, let's, I think we ought to call the police. They were grounded as soon as we found them and they got home. We didn't think the worst. We didn't know, we didn't know where near think the worst. Probably nine o'clock at night, you could see flashlights all over Delphi.

Police, neighbors, in vehicles, helicopter was, I mean, everyone was out looking for these young girls. But you still had hope, you know? But then, a full day later, on Valentine's Day, the search party made a disturbing discovery. I had a friend that ran up to me and said her husband called her and that they found the girls, but she wouldn't say anything more. I saw the coroner's van go by.

And that's when it hit. She's not hurt and waiting for us. That's when I realized. Any loss of life is horrific. I think the part that really struck a nerve is when we're told that this is part of a criminal investigation. A crime has been committed. This is considered a double homicide investigation. No further information will be released at this time.

That changes the tone. That's an act of evil. They go down the hill. He forces them, and according to the investigators, he killed them within 20 minutes. And according to a blood expert, Abby was forced to put on Libby's clothes before she was murdered. So Libby's naked. But what happened between the guy on the bridge on

Libby's phone saying, guys down the hill, they go down the hill, what interrupted him? Police were tight-lipped and rumors swirled. But it would be years before the horrific details about the Delphi murders would finally come out. Breakfast on now, dine in only until 11 a.m. Your teen requested a ride, but this time not from you. It's through their Uber Teen account. It's an Uber account that allows your teen to request a ride under your supervision with live trip tracking and highly rated drivers. Add your teen to your Uber account today.

Tonight the urgent search for the person who killed those two Delphi girls is nearly two months old now. Authorities are not giving up hope. The small town tragedy quickly becoming a massive murder mystery with people everywhere weighing in. Is this the unsolved murder of Abigail Williams in Libby, German. From the moment the story broke, Delphi has frequently become the epicenter of a media-feeding frenzy.

But not just journalists. Internet sleuth also trying to find answers. Are you guys following the Delphi case? Because I'm about to lose my mind. I feel like there's not justice happening. Eye witnesses from that day have conflicting accounts. Over time, police circulated two very different sketches of the suspect.

Those differences in the two sketches were very noticeable and actually created a lot more questions for the public. Was there more than one person, or do they even know who they're looking for? And before long, they released this video. Investigators begin to release evidence and information that was captured, taken from Libby's phone, including video that shows the so-called bridge guy. This young lady's a hero, there's no doubt.

To have enough presence of mind to activate the video system on her cell phone to record what we believe is criminal behavior that is about to occur. When people saw the image, then it was, is it you? You have a beard. Are you the guy? Are you the guy? He looks exactly like every single person in Indiana. He's wearing the clothes that everybody here wears, everywhere around us wears. The Bridge Guys video doesn't actually show a homicide occurring. It doesn't show a person with a gun or with a knife.

It does give forensic evidence in the sense of when that video was taken, when it was stored, the location of where it was taken. Then, an audio recording. Could this be the voice of the killer? Just three simple words, chilling in the tone that they are said. It's important that we spread that person's voice far and wide for somebody that will recognize who that is and will call us and tell us. Surely you've heard him sing in the choir. Maybe you've seen him at the local grocery store. Maybe you've heard him at the school. He may have changed his appearance, right, because police are looking for him, but you can't change your voice. but you can't change your voice. Guys, down here.

Guys, down here. We also believe this person is from Delphi, currently or has previously lived here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40, directly to the killer who may be in this room. We believe you are hiding in plain sight. If that person were standing here right now, and you look them in the eyes, what would you say to that person?

Why? Son of a bitch. Why? That's what I'd say. So this is it? The Monon High Bridge? The story of the Delphi murders begins and ends here. The Monon High Bridge Trail. It's since been partially renovated and looks a bit different these days. but it's here where police say Abby and Libby spent the last moments of

their lives. Behind me is where the last photo of Abby Williams was taken and posted to snapchat by Libby German. Their bodies were found around the bend that way. Susan Hendricks has been digging into this story for the last seven years. It's consumed her entire being. This town is so small, less than 3,000 people. When you really see it and understand how small that really is, how really everyone knows everyone, they weren't used to such a massive undertaking

and such a big case, if you will, to be here in Delphi. If you didn't grow up here, we're never gonna find this place. Never. Right. What kind of chaos did Bridge Guy send this case into or that the existence of a Bridge Guy? Oh it was oh my gosh we have this evidence. The superintendent Doug Carter said never in my life Susan have I had this much evidence. We have his face, his voice, his image, the way he walks, what he sounds like, and still no one's in custody.

Did that feel crazy? It did, it did. To everyone thinking, why can't they get this guy? Investigators, desperate for leads, asked the public if they were on the bridge that day to report what they saw. I think what they were banking on was a call from a family member to say, that's my dad, that's my brother, that's my uncle.

I know how he walks, I know how he sounds. One of those tips called in by a man named Richard Allen. Richard Allen himself called police not long after this whole incident unfolded and self-reported being at that trail. He was very forthcoming in when he was there, why he was there, and really spared no details. Encouraged them to call him if he could help in any other way. Police filed the report but did not name him as a suspect at the time. All right you guys there is actually huge breaking information in the Delphi murder trial, and we are dying to tell you about it.

In the information vacuum, the internet obsession only grew. Podcasters, YouTubers and TikTokers coming up with theories about the murders. I want to cover some developments that have occurred in this case very recently. Colin Brown is the host of the paranormal files on YouTube. He went to Delphi himself to walk the trails where Abby and Libby were last seen. Definitely eerie being out here even in the daylight because this is the time of day when it happens. He's one of the many cyber sleuths still investigating the Delphi murders.

There's just a lot of theories and strange things about this case that makes you really think that there may have been more than one person involved. And those people are not in jail or prison. One of the men often tied to the case? Ron Logan, the owner of the land where Abbey and Libby's bodies were found in 2017. Ron Logan was definitely one of the people

police were looking very closely at. And part of the reason is that 15 different people called the tip line and suggested that he was Bridge Guy, that he was the man in the video. Police got a warrant to search his property. That warrant, obtained years later by the podcast murder sheet, made connections between Logan and the suspected killer, saying

his physical build is consistent with that of the male suspect. It also goes on to reveal previously unknown aspects about the crime scene, like that it appeared Abby and Libby's bodies were moved and staged. Connie Dillman, Logan's ex-girlfriend from decades ago, wasn't surprised police were searching his property. As she told Crime Nation. The very day that I heard that Abby and Libby were murdered on his property, I said, oh

my God, he finally killed somebody. Ron Logan was 77 years old at the time, and a lot of people would think he was too old. He couldn't have gotten down that hill. But to this day, many people in Delphi still believe Ron Logan was responsible for this crime. Logan spoke to local station WTHR just days after the girls were found. I can't really wrap my emotions around it. It's so mind-boggling.

I haven't really caught up. It hasn't caught up with me yet. Ron Logan passed away in 2022. He was never a suspect in the murders. In 2021, another name surfaced in connection to the girls, known at the time as Anthony Shots, a fake social media account police say was communicating with them.

What is going on? Anthony underscore Shots. What is going on? Anthony underscore shots. What is this about? Authorities are soliciting the public's help to learn more about it. Turns out the profile picture on that account actually belongs to a male model who has nothing to do with this case, did not know that his profile picture

was being used. He came up early because apparently he was catfishing a lot of girls in the area by going under the name Anthony Shots. Yeah, Libby and Abby were chatting with Anthony Shots. Exactly. With other young girls and using, you know what catfishing is, using a picture that's

clearly not him. This was a young guy, a model, who then became a cop, who was interviewed years later, and he's after the girls were murdered and said, you know, I'm heartbroken that my picture was used. The man police say was behind the account, Kegan Klein, from nearby Peru, Indiana. He had been messaging the girls on Snapchat.

He was using a fake profile with the name Anthony Schatz, and he talked about meeting the girls on the bridge at one point. If you just look at the facts, it makes sense that Kagan Klein would have been in the crosshairs of police. Klein has never been named as a suspect or implicated in the murders of Abby and Libby.

In a completely separate case, he did plead guilty to 25 counts of child exploitation and child pornography against at least 11 victims and is serving 40 years in prison. Klein spoke with HLN last year. Are you aware whether you may have talked to Libby on the 13th? That's what they said. That's what the police told me. That you did?

Yeah. And do you have any recollection of that? No. He's denied any involvement in the Delphi killings. About five years after their brutal murders, authorities had more than 70,000 tips that they were investigating or had investigated, and yet there were no suspects and no arrests.

In 2022, police are left without a break in the case, and Abbey and Libby's families are left without hope for justice. Suddenly, we learned one of the people sifting through and organizing these tips realizes that there was one tip that had been misfiled. It turns out that tip was a lifeline that investigators had been looking for. The lead coming in the form of a wrongly documented file found by a volunteer clerk at the sheriff's

department, leading back to that name from five years earlier, Richard Allen. A cold case of five years, and it was solved due to, like, a volunteer filed clerk who noticed a clerical error? Yes. That's it? That's it. When Richard Allen first called the tip line,

he was recorded with the wrong name. His last name and his street name were transposed initially. It was filed away. Nobody thought anything of it until it was discovered five years later and brought to the attention of the sheriff when that investigation was still continuing in 2022. Police bring him in for questioning. They questioned him very extensively at the police department, and he repeatedly denied being involved with it. It got hostile, and over and over,

he denied being involved. Toward the end, he got exasperated and essentially told police, "'If you think I did this, arrest me,' almost as a dare, and shortly after, they did." Authorities raid Allen's home, where they find a blue jacket, which they say is similar to the one Bridge Guy was wearing.

Richard Allen owns a navy blue Carhartt jacket, similar to the one that appears to be what Bridge Guy is wearing. He also had some work boots and a stocking cap. And they find a Sig Sauer handgun, which authorities say matched an unspent bullet round found at the scene of the crime. That bullet was the same kind that would have been used in the gun found at Richard Allen's home. That was just another clue that police thought potentially could have connected him to the crime. And then...

...a twist in a shocking crime story that's captivated so many for years. Police are revealing today the arrest of a 50-year-old suspect who seemed to be hiding in plain sight. There is a major break in a double homicide in Delphi. The man is now under arrest for the murder of two teenage girls. Police arrest Richard Allen in October 2022

and charge him with the murders of Abby and Libby. God has provided us with justice for Abby and Libby. Good prevails. Evil never wins. I hope that the community sleeps better tonight. But who is Richard Allen? Richard Allen is a long-time resident of Delphi, so he was well known in the community. He has deep ties there, and he was working at the local CVS store. So he did interact with a lot of people in town on a regular basis. How'd you miss this guy?

What's the evidence that's connecting him to the murders? So many questions, and the few answers that I got only gave me more questions as to why Richard Allen is a suspect in this case. The 52-year-old, who lived just a five-minute drive from where Abby and Libby were found, is a husband, a father, and known around town. On the day of the funeral, Tara, Libby's aunt, went into CVS to blow up pictures of Libby for the day of the funeral and is crying. Gives it to Richard Allen, he said, it's on me, I got this.

The fact that the police sketch was out there, right, and he wasn't arrested for five years, and he's someone who lived there, was an ingrained member of the community that no one put like two into together. That period of time actually tells me this is how much people actually didn't suspect it of being the killer. What do Ontario dairy farmers bring to the table? A million little things. But most of all, the passion and care that goes into producing the local high-quality milk we all love and enjoy every day. With 3,200 dairy-firming families across Ontario sharing our love for milk, there's love in every glass. Dairy

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after the murders of Abby and Libby, Richard Allen faces trial for their deaths Sunday Deals Now. Now in 2024, more than seven years after the murders of Abby and Libby, Richard Allen faces trial for their deaths in the eyes of the world. Feel like they're on the courthouse here in Delphi. As a local, what do you make of the frenzy, man? This is a town of 3,000 people. It's overwhelming, but it's good to see people coming here

to support members of the community. The judge, Frances Gull, keeping a tight rap on everything. The judge in this case has been extremely strict about access to the courtroom and about media coverage. There are no laptops, there are no cell phones, there are no photos, there are no cameras. So we are really reporting this as we would have years ago, simply with a pen and paper.

Behind closed doors, a whirlwind of a trial is unfolding, and key details about the crime coming to light for the first time. We didn't know anything about the method of their murders until the trial. The jury saw the photos of the girls in the leaves where they had been found and both of their throats had been slit. Then you get to Abby. She was dressed in Libby's clothes, Libby's jeans, Libby's zip-up jacket, Abby's shirt,

her same shirt, Libby's bra, her bra. Dressed, redressed, Libby no clothes. She remained in a position with her sweatshirt like this, which was Libby's sweatshirt. There was palpable reaction in the courtroom to seeing those photos, and it was absolutely heartbreaking to see those girls at the crime scene and to watch their families have to go through that

and to see those images. Some evidence at trial? Raising more questions than answers. To start, Richard Allen pleaded not guilty to the murders. But the prosecution says they have over 60 confessions from Allen, admitting to killing the girls. The large part of their argument is that Richard Allen confessed over 60 times

to wardens, inmates, family members, almost anyone who would listen within this prison and jailhouse setting. That's more than I've ever heard of, dreamed of. Usually you get one confession, two confessions, maybe three, but 61? I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. Typically confess one time, right? They don't do so over and over and over. One of the biggest days for the state was when they played the audio recordings of Richard Allen calling his wife and mother from jail.

He talked incessantly about the crime and about the fact that he did it. And that was the first and only time we've heard from Richard Allen directly. So the jurors were hanging on every word of those calls. He had a conversation, for example, where he asks his wife, I did it, Kathy, I did it. Do you still love me? Richard Allen then says, I think maybe I've lost my mind. And his wife Kathy says,

are you sure you wanna talk over the phone? Richard says, I need you to know I did this. And this was in a whisper. And Kathy says, no, you haven know I did this. And this was in a whisper. And Kathy says, no, you haven't. You're unwell. How did the courtroom react when that audio was played? How did you react? Everyone, of course, in the court

was leaning forward to try to hear every single word of that. And those confessions are something that I believe, if I was on the jury, I would take those into consideration because of the way he sounded. But Allen's defense, trying to poke holes in the prosecution's case and focusing the jury's attention on those confessions

and Richard Allen's mental health after being held in solitary confinement for months on end. The defense has an argument there, saying he shouldn't have been there, he wasn't in sound mind, he was in solitary for 30 days is the rule there, but for him it was more than a year.

We heard from his psychologist who testified as to what a decline he had, and some of the behaviors that he displayed in prison were alarming. He was naked a lot, he was rolling around on the floor, he was eating paper, he was drinking from his toilet. All of these things, they say, were proof that he was really suffering mentally and entering psychosis, including at the time when he was admitting to these crimes and

making numerous confessions to his wife and mother. Then there's that unfired bullet found on the ground near the bodies that investigators say matched to a gun found at Richard Allen's home. How important do you think that will actually end up becoming that unspent round from the six-hour gun? I believe depending on who you ask those gun enthusiasts who I've spoken to say it absolutely is like a fingerprint. That's the key piece of information. who you ask, those gun enthusiasts who I've spoken to say, it absolutely is like a fingerprint. That's the key piece of information.

Other people I've talked to say, mm, junk science. I don't know if you could really connect that unspent bullet with the markings to that particular gun. But that was a pivotal moment. ["Darker Than the Darker"] Another point of strength for the defense, gone, but that was a pivotal moment. Another point of strength for the defense, investigators found no DNA evidence at the scene linking Richard Allen or anyone to the crime.

Having no biological evidence in a crime scene that is very bloody, grotesque, probably also very violent, is peculiar. And I think for either side, whether you're the defense or the prosecution, you've got to explain the science of how that could have occurred or how that could not have occurred. In an unusual filing,

which the judge ruled cannot be allowed into court, Allen's team was looking to take the case in an entirely different direction, pinning the double murder on a mysterious group. But they are calling a white supremacist cult of odinism. One of the things his defense attorneys present in courts is this 136 page memorandum blaming the murders on cult followers, on odinism, what the defense attorneys call a white supremacist cult that they believe were carrying out some sort of ritual

when they killed the girls. And the defense attorneys, in their memorandum, pointing to certain things at the crime scene that they believe, they say, were signs of this cult, the way branches were laid around the bodies of the two girls. I thought this was probably one of the craziest offences that I've ever heard of in my experience. My first response to that was, I was sort of baffled by that.

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the Marvel universe. I would see Odinism more as a social political movement that is concerned with changing America into a nation controlled by white people and white supremacy. Central to their argument, the idea that the girls' bodies were found in unusual positions with branches over them, which the defense argues were actually pagan runes,

symbols that have mysterious significance. So runes are widely incorporated into our Odinist culture as well. So if there were runes in the crime scene, then that would be a reason to suspect pagan or Odinist involvement. So for instance, the sticks over the body possibly a rune mark on a tree

It's not convincing To me as someone who studied these religions, but it provides an interpretation of some of the details of the crime scene At no point have we really seen the idea of ritual human sacrifice. This did not make any sense to me at all. Richard Allen's fate is about to be left in the hands of 12 jurors. If convicted, he faces 130 years in prison. There is a real sense of urgency and high stakes in that courtroom. It is tense.

It is serious. There's so high stakes in that courtroom. It is tense, it is serious. There's so much interest in this case. The jury has a tough job ahead of them. It's really difficult to tell which way they're leaning. Susan, what do you believe? I believe Richard Allen, who says he's guilty. I believe that he was laying in wait. I believe he followed the girls on the bridge. I believe he led them down the hill. I believe that he was laying in wait. I believe he followed the girls on the bridge.

I believe he led them down the hill. I believe his intent was to rape. I believe he was interrupted. I believe he forced them across the creek. I believe he slit their throats and murdered them. And I believe, as he said, he went on to live his life, his everyday life. I truly feel the evidence points to Richard Allen,

but we'll see what the jury decides. Even once they arrested Richard Allen, there's been so much doubt across the board as to whether he's responsible. There are many people attending the trial and weighing in on social media that will say, there is no way he did this. Whether he's convicted or not, I think there will always be that speculation

in Delphi as to who really is responsible for this crime. This is Deborah Roberts. In November of 2024, Richard Allen was found guilty on all charges for the kidnapping and murder of Abby Williams and Libby German. He's scheduled to be sentenced next month. Who is the Delphi Killer was produced by Impact by Nightline and is streaming on Hulu. Be sure to tune in on Friday nights at 9 for all new episodes of 2020. Thanks for listening. In the dry states of the Southwest, there's a group that's been denied a basic human right. In the Navajo Nation today, a third of our households don't have running water. But that's not something they chose for themselves.

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