20/20 - Wild Crime: Because They're Mine | S4 Ep. 3

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Israel Keyes, confesses to raping and killing the barista, torturing and killing a married couple in Vermont, raping the wife as well. Is his story true? Vermont cops search for evidence, while the FBI asks him: who else have you killed? Originally Aired: 12/05/24 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hi, it's Deborah Roberts, co-anchor of 2020. You're about to hear the third installment of our four-part series, Wild Crime, Eleven Skulls. Here's episode three, Because They're Mine. He knew that there were going to be consequences. And he made it pretty clear to us that he was willing to talk about more. He'd identified that there was a couple in Vermont that something similar had happened to. He was a man of faith.

He was a man of faith. He was a man of faith. He was a man of faith. He was a man of faith. He'd identified that there was a couple in Vermont, that something similar had happened to. We were shocked. I think the initial reaction was a shock that it's a couple, that it's not a single person, but that it's a couple.

We immediately start Googling and trying to figure out who this couple could be, and we very quickly identify the couriers But he's had some demands As soon as I you know started talking to you I knew I was never getting out I'm not Bubba from the sticks who sat in one town for all my life. I've been lots of places I've done lots of things and I'd rather go out while I still have some good memories Secrets in the wilderness

beautiful yet treacherous landscapes These are the stories of investigators who solved murders in wild places. Israel Keys had indicated how he wanted the death penalty. He wanted it quickly. He would be willing to talk with us as long as we were clear on what his goal was and we could help facilitate that. My name is Bob Drew. In 2011, I was assigned to the Behavioral Analysis Unit.

Our goal is to provide behavioral insight into unusual or repetitive crimes. We look at the offense and try to determine personality traits and characteristics of the offender. I don't really consider myself all that different or all that special from hundreds of thousands of other people. All you have to do is type in a word search on any given porn site and there's all kinds of people who have fantasies about rape and bondage and kinds of things that I take to another level. Israel Keyes has sadistic sexual fantasies that involve rape and murder that are very ingrained in him.

Israel Keyes told us that if he told us the things that he did, there was no jury in the United States that would not convict him to death. That every jury in the U.S. would give him a death penalty. ? ? ? ? ? Police are searching for a couple from Essex

and they're calling their disappearance suspicious. Bill and Lorraine Courier. ? I walked around the neighborhood. ? ????? I walked around the neighborhood. After I found that house and decided that it was probably an older couple just because of the way they had their backyard set up. They had like a swimming pool and a deck and a barbecue.

It just looked like an older couple that didn't have kids. So I knew there was probably only one room in the house that was being used as the bedroom. He was looking for the circumstances that would line up well for him to take someone. I cut the phone lines because usually if there's an alarm system it'll trigger the alarm. The neighbor next door, he was still up. He kept coming out smoking. I held off for quite a while before I actually broke into the garage. I was like a blitz attack. I was probably in the bedroom within five or six seconds. I had them roll over on their stomachs and I told them to keep their faces down in the pillow and not look at anything.

And after they had done that, I restrained their wrists. So you have to tell them that they know they're being robbed, that's what they think is happening, they're being robbed. Well, they kept trying to ask me. I didn't tell them what was happening. Anytime I was in the room, there were never any lights on. Just your headlight? Right. It's a way to control the victims because you're blinding them. Anytime I was in the room, there were never any lights on. Just your headlight? Right.

It's a way to control the victims because you're blinding them. They were wondering what was going on. I just told them it was a kidnap for ransom setup and that there were other people involved in it. I think they thought it was a case of mistaken identity or something. I was just bullshitting them.

He knows what's coming. He has a plan to kill them. He went in with this plan to kill them. Part of fooling them and making them think that there's hope feeds his sadistic nature and his sadistic fantasies as well. Once I had him in the car, I had her in the front seat. Her hands were behind her back. I had cable ties on her.

We had cable ties on her feet, too. So he was in the back? Yeah, he was in the back on the passenger side. He's driving around with the couriers, even if it's just for a couple of miles. There aren't a lot of people around, but it's a hugely risky thing to do because there's a chance one of them could escape. He's not experiencing fear. Psychopaths don't fear what most people fear. They don't have emotional responses

that are even on a continuum of what other people experience. You drove straight from their house to the house that you'd already picked out, and you didn't have to find that? No. Yeah, we drove straight there. I already knew where it was. He described Bill as still restrained, taking Bill down to the basement and securing him down there.

The cable tied his hands down to the stool so he couldn't stand up and then have the stool backed up against the wall. And, well, I mean, it must have taken me longer than I thought because I came out of the basement and she got out of the car. She had somehow broke the cable ties on her hands and on her feet and got out of the car. He grabs Lorraine, drags her back to the farmhouse, takes her to a bedroom in the farmhouse.

Keys had been in the farmhouse previously, kind of preparing it. There were some mattresses and things in the bedroom where he took her. She finally shut up a little bit, and I heard something downstairs. And that's when I started having problems with the guy.

I went down there and he had the stool he was he was kind of a big guy like overweight and the stool had just collapsed. The cable ties that I had on his wrist behind his back they, and I don't know, just messed my whole plan up. At that point, he was still trying to talk me out of it. He was like, just let us go. We haven't really seen you. You can still walk away.

And I just kinda laughed at him. I was like, I don't even know how much planning everybody does. I just walk away. That was part of the whole plan. I heard taking a couple, you know, I had this idea in my head of what was going to happen. He would not openly talk about if there was a sexual component to the male victims that he killed. But the homicides were absolutely sexually motivated.

That was a very large component of the homicide. My plan was to take him into the basement, tie him up separate, and then take her upstairs. There were these two queen-size mattresses in the upstairs corner bedroom. And that's where I planned to take her and then him. She was annoying me that I was having to deal with him. I just came to the realization that, you know, he wasn't going to stop fighting. There was a shovel in the basement and I hit him with that a couple times. There was a shovel in the basement and I hit him with that a couple times.

I was all hanged up and grabbed the 10-22. There was a cop car right across the road and I was like 100 yards away. Two young cops lived right across the street. Israel Keyes was pretty confident in his ability to pull this off right under the nose of the police. So I grabbed that, the silencer, and put that on. He saw the gun and he started to say something. It just pissed me off and I started pulling the trigger. I pulled as fast as I could until the magazine was empty. After he killed Bill, he tells us that he rapes Lorraine Currier.

He rapes her multiple times. He talks about going outside, taking a smoke break, coming back in, and raping her again. This story hit me a little bit harder than Keith talking about what happened with Samantha in part because he was even, I think, more detailed in his description of what happened with Lorraine. Just the things that he did to Lorraine were, it was incredibly difficult to listen to and to imagine that that happened. Sorry. Just, uh, like, I don't know, I guess you could call it, like,

the fantasy that developed over the years. And he said he took Lorraine downstairs and builds, obviously deceased on the floor. He describes killing her and then using contractor bags to put their bodies in, in the basement of that house. The bodies were completely covered and they were underneath a lot of debris that I piled on top of them, like wood and trash. Someone like Israel Keyes,

they don't have any kind of feeling for another human being. It's a way of looking at another human being as sort of, as an object or a tool to further advance what it is that I want to do. He's kidnapping, raping, and murdering, and he tells it as if he's gone to the grocery store. I think he knows he's doing that. I think that he likes to just sit there in a way

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It just seems kind of off the beaten path from the areas you've been to. Well, off the beaten path, that's kind of like what I like to do, so... What we discovered was that the farmhouse in which Israel killed the couriers and disposed of their bodies in had been demolished. To find out that the farmhouse had been demolished, that was just another kind of blow to the investigation. The police dig up a demolished home on Route 15 in Essex, looking for clues. I was able to actually contact the guy

that tore the house down. He said, well, there were some trash bags over in the corner in the basement, and there was a terrible aroma of death emanating from there. I mean, if you go into an old farmhouse and smell something dead, that's not really that unusual. If you go into an old farmhouse and smell something dead, that's not really that unusual.

I figured as long as it passed, like someone went into the basement and looked around a little bit, they wouldn't be that suspicious of something smelling dead. They sent a cadaver dog into the foundation to see what would happen. And darned if the dog didn't go over an alert right where the excavator said those bags were. Everything had been taken away and it had gone up to the one dump that we have in the state of Vermont, which is up in Coventry. So what is the deal with the couriers as far as the investigation? I mean, where are they at? People back east?

They're still digging. I mean, they haven't found the bodies yet. You're kidding. You sure they have the right house? Well, the house was demolished stuff was carted away when they did the demolition they were digging everything out Wow It is great, I'm just amazed that They actually dumped the remains into a dump truck they nobody noticed that They dumped the remains into a dump truck. Nobody noticed that. There's a new twist in the search for Bill and Lorraine Courier.

They vanished in Essex last June. Now investigators are digging through tons of trash at the as the Coventry Landfill. I haven't been back here since the day the search ended. Every morning we would gather, there was a picture of Bill and Lorraine that was in that tent. And every time you walked through it, that photo was always there.

And that was done with intentionality, to remind all of us who it was we were searching for. who it was we were searching for. Waves of us would line up and go through with rakes and picks and shovels through all of the debris. It just was like that hour after hour, day after day. The smells are horrific. There's sharp things everywhere. You have to wear a ton of protective gear in June and July in Vermont. It's probably the most grueling effort that I ever made as a crime scene investigator. We had no bodies at the time and we had to give closure to the

investigation, but I will say closure to the family outweighed the closure to the investigation. Now you have a family on the other side of this that's living a tortured existence that they just want to have their loved ones back. 11 weeks, 178 agents, folks from the FBI, special search and hazmat teams, looking through 10,000 tons of trash. Hundreds of boots, rakes, and a million dollars later, no remains of the couriers. [♪ music playing, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps on ground, footsteps And you never saw one without the other. I can see them up in heaven. I just see them happy.

And they don't have pain. They don't feel the pain of what happened to them. It's all wiped clean. At this point now, we have Samantha Koenig and the couriers. So now we know we have three victims of Israel Keyes that he has admitted to killing. They are drastically different when you compare them. Now you have two genders, you have three individuals that are just vastly different in age even, different locations geographically.

And so now we know that Israel Keyes is a serial killer. So in order to begin putting together possible other victims, Kat Nelson at the FBI begins compiling a timeline of Keyes' travels and then looking in and around those areas at missing persons. So this timeline focused mostly on his travels. So you'll see more records here that have to do with airline hotel, car rentals, the toll roads that we were able to track him on. We have him traveling to

just multiple places across the United States. Sometimes he's by himself, sometimes he's with other companions. He's all over the United States. He's all over Canada, Mexico. It's fairly obvious there were other victims. And what can we do to solve unsolved murders,

get closures to families, and find out the breadth of what he's done? This is the area that we need to concentrate on, looking for missing people, because he could have driven from Manchester, New Hampshire's airport to any of these areas. The strategy at this point is to

continue to get him to talk, to follow up. It's going to be a very long process. I've known since I was 14 that there were things that I thought were normal and that were okay that nobody else seems to think are normal and okay. So that's when I just started being a loner. Where were you living at that age? In Colville.

Colville, okay. Out, out woods. I knew I'd be in for that area. We're pretty close to where Israel grew up. We're about a mile from the paved road, about 20 miles from the nearest town of any size. So it's very secluded, very rural, very, very remote. Keys grew up in Colville, Washington, in a very ultra-religious conservative type home. They belonged to a pretty extreme community. Part of that was almost like a white nationalist type of thing.

It did seem to be more on the fringe. We're right on the edge of Colville National Forest. So this is pretty wild. I think as Israel grew older and he started experimenting with some of his more violent tendencies, a million miles of Colville National Forest provide a lot of area where he could just disappear into the woods and dissect animals and do some pretty disgusting things. The Keys lived up the side of a mountain.

They lived in kind of a really small shack-like house. Wasn't very big and so no electricity, no running water. And then as the children grew older, they went out and either slept in tents or Israel put together a ramshackle structure of his own on the property. He never had a social security number. He was homeschooled entirely, quite removed from society.

There was not a lot of social interaction, especially when he was younger, outside of his family. My wife Desiree and I chose to chart a different course for our family. We were raised in Christian identity. That belief system is a combination of kind of more evangelical Christianity and what would be considered like white supremacist beliefs. Anyone outside of their group of like-minded believers was considered the enemy. They were either directly influenced by the media or the powers that be, or they couldn't be trusted.

They wouldn't trust doctors, they wouldn't trust lawyers, absolutely no school teachers or anything like that because they were all viewed as being a part of that system. A lot of the families would gather in a kind of a large community building, and that's where I met the Keyes family. And Israel was just a teenager, camo pants and big old knife on his side,

which was totally normal for how I was raised. But Israel was really standoffish. He was really quiet. He was kind of creepy. His father, Jeff, was very domineering. His dad was very strict. I don't think he had a very good relationship with him. Women and children were viewed less than human.

They were property. They were very brow-beaten and subjugated. When you look at the core things that a child should have, that wasn't the case with the Keys family because of the patriarchal bent. The dad needed to get everything good and then the wife and the kids took what was left. Israel's mom was kind of a littler woman,

always wearing long dresses. Everyone always wore long dresses because that's all you were allowed to wear. And his mother was very, very cowed. Didn't really speak to people very much. From what I observed in the Keyes family, I don't see how Israel could have really been raised with much regard for women.

If you look at it from a perspective of the trauma or the damage that he undoubtedly received driving him to who he was, I believe he was acting out some of that basic programming. As he began to pursue some of his more narcissistic and violent tendencies, he just built upon that worldview in order to hurt people and worse. A lot of the boys and or men that I was around were, you know, they were anti-government, they were militant,

you know, they were armed at all times. There were clan members, there were skinheads that frequented around the periphery, but Israel was even stranger. When I was 14, there was a cat of ours that was always getting into the trash. It was my sister's cat. I told her, if that cat gets into the trash again, I'm going to kill it. We all went up into the woods and I had the cat with me.

I took a piece of parachute cord and tied it to this tree and I shot it in the stomach. And it ran around and around the tree and then crashed into the tree and then started vomiting. I laughed a little I think, but then I looked over at everybody else, and the kid who was about my age was with me. He was throwing up. He was really... traumatized, I guess you would say. He recognized he had no emotion on that.

It was funny to him. There were definitely signs there from very, very early age. I mean, he was setting fires, he was torturing animals. During that time, he was breaking into houses and stealing guns. He already had a fascination with guns and he was stealing things. Learning about some of the behaviors of Keyes early in his life, such as the torture of an animal, it's important to note that there are people that have these type of tendencies who grow up and never act on them.

And what makes that difference? That's the million dollar question. who helped break the case. Never before a face-to-face interview with the camera. Why now? Let me ask you. What do you think? Am I the evil culprit, the accomplice? I'd like to know how the audience views me. Ah! The Fox Hollow Murders, playground of a serial killer, now streaming on Hulu. I'm Special Agent Ted Hallow with the FBI.

On March 29th of 2012, Special Agent Jolene Godin called me up and said that they were working the Samantha Koenig disappearance and that they had made an arrest. So you're under arrest. And that this individual was Israel Keyes. My partner at the time was Special Agent Colleen Sanders. I got connected to the Israel Keyes case very early on. Our initial assignment was to really kind of delve into the timeframe that Israel Keyes lived in Washington state.

We would listen to the interviews of Israel Keyes, usually in the morning, because some of the topics are just so dark and grim, you don't want to go to bed with that in your head. One point during our interviews with Israel, he makes a comment after his daughter was born in October of 2001. He didn't want to do anything that messed with kids.

Something kind of changed in the way I thought, and I didn't want to do anything that would mess with kids or whatever. It left us wondering, well, does that mean that he would do something prior to that point that messed with kids? 12-year-old Julie Har Julie Harris has been on missing person posters since her disappearance last March.

Julie Harris was a big media story at the time in rural Colville, Washington, and that was right where Israel was growing up. When you were living in Colville, do you remember the case where Julie Harris, she was a double amputee, went missing? 96? Yeah. She lived, I think, pretty close to you, and she went missing. I remember the name. It was kind of one of those best interest things.

He acknowledged that he had heard about her murder, but he denied that he had anything to do with it. I was working construction at the time, so I would hear stuff. But I never took a personal interest in it. Very peaceful. And the deer come through here a lot. But yeah, that's where she was. Julie had the personality that I dream of all the time.

I try to be happy for everybody because that's what she did. You know, if you're happy, people will be happy. When she was 23 months old, she was diagnosed with Mimigo coxemia meningitis, and it was just in her bloodstream. What happened was the blood got so poisoned on her feet, it turned a gangrene. She was not handicapped. She is handicapable. Oh my goodness, the first time I met Julie, I think it was in the lunch line.

I was kind of a loner and me and her just clicked. No judgment. You know, we were both wild, crazy kids. Julie's been my big sister forever. She was my big sister that I took care of. Took care of her and she took care of me. I know she liked to swim. Every day that the pool was open, she was in there with me.

That's where she felt her freest. There was no gravity to hold her down. We would laugh and play and just be like really innocent kids. She absolutely loved it. play and just be like really innocent kids. She absolutely loved it. Summer of 95, I was 12 turning 13. Me and Jolie hung out at the pool every time we had lessons. We'd hang out in front of the fence and wait for a ride home. We were walking through here and I turned and noticed this kid sitting on the swing set.

He's slowly rocking back and forth on the swing, staring at us. I had no idea who the boy was. He was 17 or older. There was something not right. He got, like, so close, I could see the brown slits in his eyes. He starts saying how cute Julie was. So close I could see the brown slits in his eyes. He starts saying how cute Jilly was.

It just made me feel uncomfortable because he was an older boy that was hitting on little girls. Jilly was flattered about a boy paying attention to her. She gave him her phone number. I felt something bad coming for her. But I couldn't place it. March 3rd of 96,

Julie was supposed to get a ride from these church people that lived up the road. About eight o'clock in the morning, she went outside to wait on the porch. They never picked her up. She wasn't there. So sometime between 7.30 and 8.30 is when she disappeared. Like, poof, gone.

Like poof, gone. I rode my bike almost every inch of Colville looking for Julie. All the way up to the shore of the Colville River just last week. Investigators all weekend were sifting through the dirt looking for more evidence, but so far they've turned up no suspects. Her backpack and legs were found about 10 miles from her home. It was a dark moment.

What I seen that looked like a skull was laying right down there. On Saturday, children playing in these woods found the skeleton of a girl. The autopsy said the bones made it look like she had a rough time before she died. So they're considering it murder. Everybody's waiting for an arrest. Everybody's waiting to find out who did it. And it's just dead end. Until Israel Keyes came up as a serial killer,

I started looking him up. I started seeing his pictures. And it dawned on me he was the boy at the pool, the summer before she went missing. When I first seen a picture of Israel Keyes, I got stomach ache. I was all in nerves. And then I remember Loretta telling me that this boy asked for Julie's phone number at the pool and it was Israel.

Julie could have been his first. The police need to find out. You know, they need to do the investigation. I need to know what happened to my daughter. Would have been nice to have been able to talk about Julie Harris, but he was clearly not going to do that at that point. I have no reason to tell you more information.

The things I've done, I don't feel bad about them and I didn't do them because I felt I had no other choice. I did them for myself, so it's better actually for me to keep them to myself. Because they're mine. When Keyes was 20, he joined the United States Army. This is a guy who was raised off the grid. He had no Social Security number. He had never been to a school.

He was a home birth. He has zero proof on paper that he is who he says he is. And he walks into a recruiting office on the East Coast and says, I want to join the Army. And they take him. He spent, I think, three years in the Army. We learned that he was, for all intents and purposes, a really good soldier. He was a good marksman.

You know, he came in with survival skills and, you know, a level of fitness that probably, you know, put him ahead of the game. The Army provided a learning opportunity to Keys to learn how to interact and get along with, at least to a fairly normal degree with other individuals. It was during this time in the military, 1998 to 2001, really a time for him where he was trying to kind of figure out who he was and what he was doing. There's just a lot of stuff that happened when I was in the Army that changed my perspective

on things, just really changed my perspective on the big picture and made me realize that, you know, if that was what I wanted to do, then I should just do it. If you wanted to kill somebody? Yeah, because all the stuff I had been so concerned about before didn't really matter that much. and so concerned about the four didn't really matter that much. And when I was in the army, I was in Egypt, and there was that time when I went to Tel Aviv, there was a girl that I met.

She was pretty young, it was from a Norwegian exchange student or something. And we were hanging out and stuff, and she told me where her room was. I did lose control a little bit as things progressed and I wouldn't say that was like an outright rape. That's when I realized like if I was going to do that kind of stuff it had to just be complete strangers. Couldn't be anyone who knew me.

Just realized that if I kept doing stuff like that, it was only a matter of time before I got caught. The time I spent with Israel Keyes, he was very nice to be around, but he had different, I won't say personalities, but he came across as different ways to me. I was a specialist in Alpha Company, 1-5 Infantry, and I spent four years in Fort Lewis, Washington with Israel Keys. I would give Israel Keyes like 20 bucks. We would go to Cutwood.

He liked talking about banks and bank robberies. I entertained that thought with him and talked about that. It went to some darker stuff later. Some of the things that Key said to the men that he associated with in the Army may have been indications of what his fantasies were. He switched over to talking about kill kits and running around and doing things that I was uncomfortable with talking about. and doing things that I was uncomfortable with talking about.

He talked about hiding a kit in a place that he wanted to hurt someone. He would go out and bury these kill kits so that they were ready for him to use whenever he felt that Pine was right for him to go out and commit homicide. I was right for him to go out and commit homicide. And these were five gallon Home Depot bags that he filled with zip ties and duct tape and guns and ammunition and cash because he needed to not leave a paper trail. He buried kill kits all over the continental United States. He wanted to backtrack and go to places of the country and make a trail that would be difficult to trace where he's been. He's definitely talked about the hunt, how the urge would come about him and then he would plan a trip and a homicide would happen.

It was a hunt for him, a hunt for kind of that perfect situation. I don't think I know a tenth of what Israel Keyes was or who he was. He was very guarded and he told stories and lies. Even to this day, the stories I heard don't match up to what the FBI has mentioned. Keyes was incarcerated at the Anchorage Correctional Complex, charged with the death of Samantha Koenig. Keyes has been in custody for a little over two months. The May 23rd hearing was an ordinary hearing that's very common in criminal cases.

It was just a typical hearing that we have in order to kind of set the stage and establish a timeline for the rest of the criminal case leading up to trial. Security was always paramount when we were transporting Keyes. He's obviously a very dangerous person. He's obviously a very dangerous person. Pedro Keys was walking in with the federal marshals. He was bound, shackled. It just reminded you of something that you see from, like, a movie. It was a pretty packed gallery at that point between media.

Friends and family of Samantha Koenigs were there. I was at most of the court hearings because I wanted to show my support for my sister. I remember trying to keep my composure because my mom's like, did not give him the satisfaction of seeing you cry. He's just sitting at the defendant's table and keeps glancing back towards the door that exits the courtroom. There was a female in turn sitting right there by the door. I noticed Israel was staring down this young, attractive female six or seven seats over to my right,

and I kept watching him watch her. We didn't know what was going on, but he was just deadlocked on her. Made me very uncomfortable. Jeff actually went to go sit in front of her to keep keys from staring at her. He would have to look at me and not her. All rise.

The judge comes in, the hearing begins. It's filed shortly after the court issued the order in this matter setting today's hearing. Our position is that at this particular juncture, we're not... I just see him, like, flying out of his seat. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! This is Deborah Roberts. Join us next week for the chilling conclusion of Wild Crime, 11 Skulls.

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