32 Thoughts: The Podcast - Black Friday

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

Changes are underway! Jeff and Elliotte kick things off with news out of Pittsburgh with changes to their front office (00:00) as well as the Ducks firing head coach Dallas Eakins (11:40), they wonder what Calgary will do this off-season (15:30) and if the Predators will rebuild (29:30), an impressive run from the Sabres (37:40), how different will the Capitals be next season (43:10), how crazy will things get in Ottawa (46:50) and what are Vancouver’s priorities this summer (50:20).The guys also chat about Gabriel Landeskog missing the playoffs (55:50), the send-off for Jonathan Toews in Chicago (57:45) and the president searching Philadelphia (1:02:00).Email the podcast at [e-mail] or call The Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemailOutro Music: The Bones of J.R. Jones - UndoneListen to the full track hereThis podcast was produced and mixed by Amil Delic, and hosted by Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman.Audio Credits: ESPN, NBC Sports Philadelphia, Sportsnet 650/960 and WGN.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

it looked kind of weird but like i don't know what i'm reading the pittsburgh season comes to an end and penguins management all dismissed welcome to 32 thoughts the podcast presented by gmc and the sierra at4x elliott the pittsburgh penguins announcing this morning they have relieved president of hockey operations brian burke general manager ron hextall and assistant general manager chris prior of their duties we suspected and we've been talking about it all week that when fenway makes up their mind we won't have to wait very long to find out what their decision is and this is their decision i don't think anybody is hugely surprised by this jeff i can't imagine anyone sitting here today saying we didn't expect this to happen.

You knew that the way things were going, Pittsburgh missing the playoffs, that there were going to be consequences. You could see in the market there was a crisis of consumer confidence. The writing was on the wall. And earlier this season, I had a conversation with someone in Boston media and he preferred not to have his name used. So I won't use it just about what Fenway is like, how do they operate, what to expect from them? Every company has tendencies, right? And, and this person said to me that one thing about Fenway is they work quick. If they're making making changes they don't let it drag out they said that some of the people who've been fired by fenway actually like that about them like it's not a long walk right it is quick the other thing that they said about fenway is that you generally know of chains

coming because the winds start blowing a certain way you know like for example fenway you know runs the boston globe and they're good at getting their message out and so in the last few weeks as you know things started happening around the trade deadline and stories started getting out about disputes maybe between the coaching staff and the front office, this person said it was an absolute red flag to them that change was coming. You know, look, like in this league, especially with that team, the expectations that are around them

after the moves they made last summer to keep the core together, I don't think anybody is surprised that there were these kinds of consequences. I think the only thing that really anyone was wondering is, oh, the organization really loves Mike Sullivan, gave him an extension, think hugely of him. And they just kind of wondered if the way the team finished,

that might change, but obviously it hasn't. You know, we know that Fenway Sports acts quickly. So there have been dismissals on Friday. The other thing that is of prime importance now is who goes into these spots? Like it's one thing to react quickly. Season's over. Penguins lose to the Columbus Blue Jackets. The very next day we get these dismissals.

How quickly do they act to fill these positions now? Number one, I do think they've already started putting together a list. I think they've started looking at some names out there and people they could be interested in. I think that's going to be one of the first questions. Are we talking search firm or are they going to go with a list that they have compiled? I think there's going to be some talk about people with Pittsburgh connections. We talk elsewhere in this podcast, or we're going to, about how I think Ray Shiro is on Philadelphia's radar, but I wonder, like,

Botterill bringing someone back who's got some history with the franchise, or do they go elsewhere or completely anew or even off the radar? I talked about on your show this week about how they're building out their analytics department. So Alex Shaw, who's one of the people who was retained there as assistant GM, I believe he's the person right now is kind of like the point at building out that program. Plus, Jeff, and it's already started in Pittsburgh, the Dubitz to Pittsburgh rumors are going to be off the chart. I think the question here is, does Pittsburgh go with what they've started to compile

or do they hire a search firm to do some work with them? Philly, for example, hired two search firms for their president's search, although I don't believe they're interviewing anyone else for the GM job. Yeah, see, that was one of my questions too. Some of the people that they would want to look at, I would imagine, are still under contract with

NHL teams. Now, you know, there's a couple of expiring contracts here with managers. You mentioned Kyle Dubas. That story has been well told. We've talked a lot about Brad Treliving as well. It seems very much that they're looking for someone who has a strong analytics slant to how they measure the game and how they view the game.

So maybe that's the direction we should be looking at here with Fenway Sports. One of the big problems they felt is they didn't do a great job of filling out their roster. That's going to be one of the conversations here around Malkin, Crosby, and Letang. How do, quote unquote, we do a better job of filling out their roster. And also if they're going to be spending on the infrastructure to put together an analytics group, like I heard there could be several hires there. We'll see what happens. The GM is going to have to be somebody who's got at least a willingness to listen to that.

It can't be someone you're not going to build out a whole group, Jeff, and then have someone there who says, yeah, I'm not listening to build out a whole group jeff and then have someone there who says yeah i'm not listening to any of that and daylight dollar short the pittsburgh penguins their 16 season playoff streak is over it was not supposed to go this way when the band kept together at the end of last season letang rust mulligan all of it when they kept the crew together for a few more runs at this thing this was not how it was supposed to end up and you know one of the things about the penguins this year elliot is generally everybody in the top six was healthy specifically you have genny malkin who played

more games in a season than he's played going back to 2009 anyway uh your thoughts on how this all unfolded for the pittsburgh penguins my number one thought is i understand why tnt doesn't hire you to do your their slogans mine's good mine's good their slogans better than yours no no no no no i'm better than tnt i think a couple of things here number one i think the biggest thing about the penguins this year and missing the playoffs and you kind of hit on it there is it's the end of the mystique right they had a long playoff streak as you said it's over the idea of ovechkin and crosby missing the playoffs we haven't seen that in a long time ovechkin crosby and the blackhawks missing the playoffs, even though Chicago's been on a downturn for a while.

It's been a long time since we've seen this stuff. And like I said, it's the end of the mystique. And I don't want to attach it solely to Crosby because it's not really fair and it's not really right. So I'm going to talk about the Crosby, Letang, Malkin, Penguins. You go back to the Stanley Cup final in 2017 against Nashville they're the only team I can find who won a Stanley Cup that year without a single defenseman who ever got a Norris Trophy vote.

Yeah. Like Letang got hurt and they still beat a really good Nashville team to win the Cup. It was always Crosby in charge and Malkin and LeTang in general as his lieutenants. There was a mystique there that no matter what happened, if they had a bad game, they would always find a way. And I think that was the thing that shocked everybody was it was in their hands. Their destiny was in their hands. They controlled it.

It was Chicago and Columbus and they didn't do it. And I think for a lot of people seeing that triumvirate of players unable to get it done in that moment was a total wow situation and i think if you're the penguins you're sitting back and that's the thing that hits you the hardest is that that's kind of the end of the mystique i hope everybody understands what i'm saying here i'm not blaming crosby or anyone else i'm just saying that now what you realize is the greatness of him and those three is not enough anymore. So that's the number one thing you have to look at

is we have to stop taking it for granted that those players are going to be able to drag you everywhere you would need to go. You look at the roster for the second year in a row, health and goal clobbered them. They got pushed around a lot. They didn't have enough depth. And, you know, Jeff, the total wild card,

and I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I'm just saying it's the total wild card. Do you ever get to a point where you say, you know what, maybe a rebuild is the way? Well, that's interesting because that is flies completely in the face of what was agreed upon last season and i do wonder about that as well and i do wonder how frozen the pittsburgh penguins are based on what their commitment was last season that would be a complete 180 if they start talking about rebuild and then at what point is quote unquote everything on the table for fenway now the penguins are going to have cap space they're

going to have some some room to do some things here so i do wonder like you do is this going to be look we've got two more seasons of sydney crosby at 8.7 million dollars uh we're gonna you know swing this thing back. According to CapFriendly right now, it's $20 million that they have to play with. Do they spin this thing back, double down again and take a run at it? Or do they say,

we need to start looking long-term? And the thing is, if they start looking long-term, do you go to your key players and say, do you want to be part of this that's the thing that i wonder about because i think quite rightly you point out in all of this this is new ownership here this isn't mario lemieux and you know ron burkle you know saying you know malkin's retiring a penguin crosby's retiring a penguin letang is retiring a penguin this LeTang is retiring a penguin. This is a completely different group. Like we've

made this point before. The Pittsburgh Penguins now are the first big time professional sports organization in Pittsburgh, not owned by a family. This is a new environment. This is a corporate environment. These are corporate decisions that will be made. Yep. And I do wonder if they spin around and say, we're going to go the rebuild mode. What happens to Crosby and Malkin and Letang? What happens to these players? Boy, you're going to start a dumpster fire here. Well, I am.

I mean, I'm just coming shy of saying, you know, do we see Crosby and McKinnon do their saying, you know, do we see a Crosby and McKinnon do their own, you know, Tim Horton's commercial in Denver. I know we're getting way ahead of ourselves here, but I think that this could be a summer where a lot of weird things and unexpected things are on the table for the penguins. I think this Jeff, the one thing I completely agree with is that this was never supposed to be a rebuild. And it's the same kind of thing that's happening in Washington. Results speak.

Like all of a sudden you look at what happened and you say, boy, we may have to really reconsider what we're going to do here. Elliot, another news around the NHL. The Anaheim Ducks announcing on Friday they will not be renewing the contract of Dallas Aikens, who had been on the expiring deal. They will look now for a new head coach for Anaheim that was a really really tough position to be in this year there's a bunch of situations this year where the coaches were in and they knew their teams really

didn't have a chance and Aikens was in one of those situations. You know, I really thought that one of the things that Aikens was going to be graded on was their young players and how much they progressed. Like, I really like McTavish. I think a lot of people really like McTavish. He's a talented guy. And I thought he was put in, you know, positions to succeed this year. Zgris, he's a really interesting polarizing guy. But again, I think that he has shown that he's going to be a very good NHLer for a long time. The other thing too, I was kind of wondering about here is it's believed that Anaheim is

going to bring a coach named Matt McIlvain back from the Austrian league to coach at San Diego in the AHL. And the word is that Verbeek really thinks highly of him and thinks he has a bright future. And some coaches said to me that when you get a guy put like that in the American hockey league, some people will be careful about taking the job at the NHL level. Like you never know what could happen between now and two years from now is if this does happen, McIlvain gets his

experience, but a coach could be automatically going in there looking over his shoulder. And I thought maybe under those circumstances, it would be possible that Aikens would stay, continue to develop the young players as McIlvain gained his experience. But obviously Pat Verbeek disagrees. Aikens is an interesting guy to me. If you just look at his record, you'd look at it and say, meh, but I think he's a really smart guy. I think there's a good coach there. I really do.

The other thing I wonder about, like when we talk about Pittsburgh, you know, Burke, will he be on TV with us next week? I wonder if Aikens does television. I could see him being a guy who could be very good at it because I think he's somebody who would be very good at explaining to an audience. He's always been a teacher. He's always worked well with young players.

I think this was a really tough situation for Dallas Aikens to be in this season. There was a lot that was stripped away from this team. This team was designed just to help develop players and provide something for Pat Verbeek to move come trade deadline time. We've seen it before. It's one of the classic stories around coaching. This season wasn't the fault of Dallas Aikens. I don't know many coaches, Elliot, that could have walked into that situation this year with Anaheim after losing Ryan Getzloff and everything that happened last year at trade deadline and walked in there and done miracles and somehow

got the Anaheim Ducks into the playoffs. I think this is a miserable situation that Dallas Aikens found himself in. I don't disagree with you. You know, as a coach, you get judged on the body of work that you do. And I get that. That's just the way life goes. But the one thing I do know is that, you know, when you listen to Verbeek talk last year, after he took over the team and kind of said, okay, this is where we're going and this is what our goals were, you know, this year he kind of looked at it as we just want to see improvement in our

players. And when you look at the group that's kind of going to be their group for the next couple of years moving forward, I thought those players got better. To me, Aiken's biggest success story there is Troy Terry. I think a couple years ago, you know, people would have looked at Troy Terry and said, what do we have here? And now there's the understanding that this guy is a pretty good offensive player the other thing that happens here is also don't forget verbica's new he wants his people and that's just the way it goes sometimes all right in this podcast of negativity the

calgary flames are out although although elliot if we can shine some sunshine here uh wednesday night we saw Dustin Wolfe, real nice performance. Nice to see the family in the stands, Matt Coronado, et cetera. And Nikita Zdorov enters the Norris chat with his first career hat trick as well. Zdorov shoots and scores!

It was pretty funny. And on a high note, but never thought I'd see Nikita Zdorov with a hat trick in the NHL, but nonetheless, there it was. Again, the flame season, not the way it was intended. When Brad Treliving made all the moves in the offseason, the Johnny Gaudreau story is well told,

as is the Matthew Kachuk story and the players that came in, whether it's Kaji, whether it's Huberto, whether it's Wieger, etc. This is not the way it was supposed to go. Yet here we are. First order of business, true or false? The decision on Brad Treliving. I think that is the first order of business. First of all, I got to think next year,

Wolf's going to be on the roster. Nothing left to prove at the AHL. I know it's only the one game audit and it's against the San Jose Sharks with all due respect, but he looked really good, man. Yeah. Well, I mean, you look at the body,

like he's got nothing to do in the AHL anymore. He's probably the MVP of the AHL this year. Yeah. So I think you've got to see him on the roster. Yes, I think true living is the number one thing. I'm curious about the timelineL this year. So I think you've got to see him on the roster. Yes, I think Tree Living is the number one thing. I'm curious about the timeline of this. So Brad Tree Living was offered a contract earlier in the season.

Like Daryl Sutter was extended right before the year, and we'll get to that in a second. And Brad Tree Living was offered the extension, and he punted. He just said, look, he wanted some time. And this is one of those situations where i've talked about before where sometimes you realize that you just need a change in your life and i've kind of wondered if that was the case here if there's in any way shape or form tree living is feeling you know maybe it's just time so you know the exit interviews with a lot of the

players were held on thursday i don't know what the schedule were them for and obviously there's a lot going on behind the scenes here's kind of where i see it as we record this on thursday i think brad tree living has a decision to make i think the calgary flames would like brad tree living to return as GM. I think he was offered an extension earlier in the year. He wasn't sure, and they punted it to the end of this season. Well, now we're here, and the Flames need a decision, and I think he's got to make a choice.

Does he want to stay? And like I said, I think the Flames would love to keep him, or does he think it's time for a change? And that's something that only Brad Treeliving knows. Now, I mentioned, Jeff, on your show on Thursday, I had thought that Don Maloney and Craig Conroy were extended. Because I think what the Flames kind of wanted was a framework that if Treeliving didn't come back, there wasn't like a power vacuum, that they knew, at least in the short term, who would kind of be in charge and running things

if decisions had to be made. Now, I did get some pushback on that, but not entirely. So we'll see where that all goes. What about the coach? You know, Sutter, it's a really tough one. You know, he's got a two-year extension. Eric Francis reported the other day, I think it's $4.2 million a year on the two-year extension, which starts next season.

I have no reason to disbelieve Eric. I think he knows exactly what he's talking about. And I don't think this is a situation where the organization just wants to throw away that money. I think what that could come down to is how do the players feel? And I think this, there's a bunch of really good players who have a year left on their contracts. You know, upfront it's to fully 30 goals, Lynn home, heck of a player, up front it's to foley 30 goals lynn holm heck of a player backland a heart and soul player on defense it's tanov you know how much they love him hannifin who's really developed there

and zadorov who had an unbelievable year and incredible finish with the hat trick on the last night i mean who bet that who bet the zadorov hat trick and is now retiring from their job i think it could come down to a lot about what those guys say. How do they feel about the direction of the team? Obviously, too, like Huberto had a really rough year. You have to find a way to make it work for him. And the Huberto thing is really interesting. I had heard that when they made Huberto the offer,

that one of the things Huberto was weighing was, I haven't played a game here yet. Like he hadn't really even been in Calgary. They went for their steak dinner in Montreal and they made him the big offer and Huberto took it. It's an expensive dinner. You know, nobody took me out for these kinds of dinners. I'm very jealous.

Are you getting anywhere close to 10.5 out of sports net? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But one of the things that was raised to Huberto is, are you really sure? Like, do you really want to do this? And, you know, he quite rightly pointed out, how do you turn that down? Yeah.

Also the shock of the deal. We know he was absolutely caught by surprise and imagine all of us put into huberto's shoes like you're you're sitting there you're you're you're having your shrimp cocktail your your clam chowder your your caprese salad the branzino or the sea bass or or meat, your steak, whether you prefer the sirloin or the T-bone or the filet, or maybe he ate just a giant tomahawk right in front of Brad Cree living. And this gets presented to you. Anybody listening to this podcast, put yourself in their shoes. You're not going to say no to that but now

i think it's incumbent on huberto and weaker and cadre and every and in addition to sutter and the organization like if i own the team i would be getting everyone in a room together and saying guys how's this all going to work because you can't trade everybody but at the end i think you have to make that work like you're not going to light that on fire you have to find a way to make that work i think one of the questions is going to be is are there players who come and say look i'm not resigning at least not now we can talk about it later but like i'm not gonna talk about it this summer because that also forces you into decisions like sometimes you make decisions because you want to make them and sometimes you make decisions because the clock dictates you make them and if a whole bunch of

players come in and say i'm not going to talk about re-signing, like I'm going to let it play out. And don't forget after next year, like a lot of people are expecting a million, maybe if you're lucky a little bit more this summer, but next summer, there's going to be a bigger cap. That's where we get the jump, right? Like right now you're looking at it and you're saying all these players are unsigned and the summer they're available, the cap's going to go up. So there's going to be opportunity for them. So number one is tree living. Number two is what do your players say? Do they say, look, I'm not signing right now. We know Lynn Holmes talent. We know Backlund's talent. We know what Tanev is. Toffoli had 30 goals. Zdorov, if I play a disciplined system, you'd be selling him at his peak if you wanted to do that.

And so, first of all, yes, 100%, the GM and his decision is your first call. But your next call is what do your players say and what are you doing with that? And Sutter, he's just a grinder. I just can't see it changing at all now the one thing I will say is this yes Sutter grinded on them this year I have heard some players there have said that yes the relationship with Sutter has not been perfect

but I've heard they've also said some guys on their team, and I don't think they're only talking about, like say Huberto, have to do a better job of trying to make it work too. I did hear that some players said, like you have to take care of yourself too. Like it can't just be one way. It has to be two ways.

Although they acknowledged it's a big bridge to fix and it's got to be fixed both ways there's a couple of players we talked about ufas after next season there's a couple of decisions that are on the horizon here for brad treliving or if not brad treliving then whomever else um is the general manager of the calgary flames here and milan lucic is one of those names you know tre And Milan Lucic is one of those names. You know, Trevor Lewis is one of those names. Troy Stetcher is one of those names. Like there's some immediate business here too.

Well, Stetcher played really well there. That's why I wanted to make sure that I got Stetcher rings. I thought that he was really good. I agree with you. And you know what? I think the thing about Stetcher is in a year where the cap's not going up I can see Stetcher in particular having a lot of value first of all he doesn't cause you any problems B he plays hard and it's not a huge deal right so I could see their big interest in Stetcher

you know I think they'd like to keep him I'll tell you an interesting thing here I think in in Washington they've always had some russian players around ovechkin just so you know like he's you know it's it's a comfort thing as much as anything else they now look orlov's gone samsonov's gone and i think they will try to do what they can to move kuznetsov and all of a sudden you're gonna have like for ovechkin is washington kinds of goes into its next phase, and we'll talk about them in a couple seconds, I think they're saying to Ovechkin,

look, we're going to have to try something a little different here. You may not have this comfort zone. And if you look at one thing with Sutter, for example, he loves Lewis, and he obviously loves Lucic. I think one of the things the Flames might say here is we're going to take away some of your security blankets. Now, Lewis to me is really interesting in particular because I heard like when it comes to the way Sutter grinds, like a lot of players go to Lewis and say, how do I handle this? rinds like a lot of players go to lewis and say how do i handle this and i've heard he's very very good at that but i've heard that the flames may simply say that sutter's guys we need to move

them the reason for that just so our listeners know is because lewis was with sutter in los angeles right um so there's the the background there the problem is like i can look at a lot of these players now that might be as you you mentioned, security blankets for Daryl Sutter. You mentioned Jonathan Huberto's new contract kicking in. Well, guess what? Mackenzie Wieger's new deal kicks in as well. He bumps up to 6.25 as well. Like, cap space vanished.

You have to find ways to make this work. Here's the thing about the Calgary Flames, and I want to move on after this. We have a lot of other teams to get to as well. But I look at the Flames and I say they're closer to being good than closer to being bad. As one manager once told me, you know, we can talk about our underlying numbers all you want.

Eventually, reality starts and the games start. You are what your record says you are. But you do look at patterns and you look at trends, and I still think they're closer to being good than closer to being bad. One of the problems is they need to figure out and we mentioned Dustin Wolf earlier they need to figure out the goaltending you know I don't disagree with you I think you know I thought Justin Bourne he was one of the first to talk about he wrote a great article

earlier this year about even though their underlying numbers were really good the problem was they didn't get great chances. So that's what I say. When I'm the owner, I'm pulling them all in, and I'm saying, how do we turn our underlying numbers into something positive? And there were too many games this year that gave up the opening goal on the opening shot.

What was it, like 10 times this year? You can't play like that. You chase. You spend too play like that. You chase, you spend too much time chasing. Yeah, absolutely. So I do think that the overall emotion, like someone said to me too many distractions this year,

too many distractions. So how do you eliminate the distractions? How do you do that? All right. A, a tall order in Alberta. Listen to the 32 Thoughts podcast ad-free on Amazon Music, included with Prime.

One other thing I wanted to mention about that Pittsburgh-Chicago game, there's a story going around that some Islander fan went to the Islanders team store and bought an Islanders jersey and put Mrazik's name and number on it and sent it to Chicago. Oh my. Like an honorary Islander, Peter Mrazik. Well, what did we joke about the other day?

John Tavares with the backhander helping his old team. Can't boo him anymore. Well, first of all, Islander fans were awesome this week. Yes. Islanders fans were really great this week. And first of all, you guys can do whatever you want to do. Totally. Like if I say you can't boo Tavares anymore,

none of these people are going to listen to me anyway. Yeah. But honestly, how can you boo Tavares anymore? Save the season. Islander fans, take a bow. Nashville. I think even they were surprised they were in it as long as they were

after what we saw at trade deadline. And that goes, I think, Elliot, a lot to UC Soros. And I think that goes a lot to the kids. By the way, what did you, while we're on the Nashville page, what did you make of them putting out publicly the case for UC Soros and the Vesna trophy, putting that out on social

media, the links to the article? Well, I have no problem with that at all. I think that's what teams are supposed to do is back their guys, right? The Sharks did it too with Eric Carlson. This whole thing with the voting, you know the guy, NHL Watcher, who tweets about hockey, he's kind of a funny guy. I really like his account. Someone sent me a tweet he sent out from your show on Wednesday where I said, you know,

Hello Buck's my guy for the Vesna. And someone said, look at the engagement number. And it was up over 800, and they said they said congratulations elliot you're the star of bruins internet today and uh i kind of laughed at it like it's funny like that's what this is for it's there to make everybody laugh and have a good time but one thing i'm shocked at is how personally people take like this voting and I've said that for years like I don't think players lose trophies I think players win trophies if Allmark wins the Vesna fine with me I mean he's had a phenomenal season I'm just saying that you know Hellebuck would be my guy now someone actually made a really interesting point to me they said that they actually felt that Hellebuck, the case I made for Hellebuck is more of an MVP case and a Vesna case, which is fine, but he's not winning

the MVP. But anyway, like people take these voting way too seriously. They take it way too personally just because you're picking one guy over another guy doesn't mean you're slagging or slamming the other guy. There's lots of great players in this league. I have no problem at all with teams standing up for their players and putting out cases for their players. Alex Gilchrist, I've said this before, Alex Gilchrist at Anaheim is the media relations guy. He won Corey Perry the Hart Trophy the year that Perry won it.

He unleashed a campaign. Like he was like Karl Rove, man, running Bush's campaign in that one. And he won it. That's what teams are supposed to do. I got no problem with it. Kings kind of did the same with Anse Kopitar. Yeah, they've done it before.

With, with Selkie Trophy as well. I mean, they had the full court press to get him the Selkie Trophy. Anyhow, back to Nashville here. What's the story of this season for the Nashville Predators? Is it UC Soros and everybody else? Is it we need to start playing the kids

more? What's the nickname that Tommy Novak has with the Predators? Novetskin. Novetskin. And yeah, and he was, you know, outstanding. They started to, you know, they called up and started to play Philip Tomasino.

That worked out great. We talked about Luca Vangelista a number of different times. The guys that are just text home, hey, I got one more game. Hey, I got one more game. Kiefer Sherwood as well played well. There's a lot of different names that we saw this season for the National Predators. And almost when they threw up the white flag

at trade deadline and said, okay, we surrender and turn this thing over to different players, they started to see some success. Now, is that fool's gold? Because that's empty calorie time in the schedule? Or is there something for Nashville to build on there? Someone pointed out to me that a person who deserves a lot of credit is Carl Taylor,

who's the head coach of the Milwaukee Admirals. When David Poyle, who's of course retiring this year, he always talked about how important Milwaukee was to the success of the Predators, and the end of the season proved it. I don't think it's empty calories, Jeff, because I think what you learned is that your young players can play and your young players can be drivers on your team what does this mean for your roster next year because it's going to be really difficult to put these young guys back in the box you have unwrapped this Christmas toy and it's a hugely popular Christmas toy for your team, a bunch of these guys. Well, when everybody who was injured comes back healthy next year, how are the roles going to change?

Like the minutes that some of these guys got this year with those guys out, like are you going to really be able to go backwards and say, well, you know, everybody's healthy again. Let's, in Forsberg's case, you do that, but what about everybody else right the good news is you know you've got guys here who can really play and guys who have bright futures the interesting thing that makes you say is what are you doing around them now like in Barry Trotz and John

Hines's whiteboards in their offices when everybody's healthy how does their roster look who's in your top six they moved Johansson around last year they cut some of his minutes and they felt it made him a more effective player okay so now my question becomes does that happen to anyone else like is anyone else going to kind of be moved around in terms of minutes played or role? Look, Novak was playing 1434. Cody Glass was playing 1442. Parson, when he was up, he was playing 1425. Tomasino, 1531.

Evangelista was 1631. All these guys were their leading scorers after the deadline. See, here's the thing that I'm interested about. Like I'm with you. I think that if the minutes are coming from anywhere, it's going to be some of the higher priced help on this team, whether it's Ryan Johansson, whether it's Matt DeShane. Man, goals are so hard.

I'd want to still keep Philip Forsberg on the ice as much as possible. And now he's just a shade over 17 minutes per game. Here's my question here. They have one of the best contracts in hockey in UC Saros. They have two more years of Saros at $5 million. That's a great contract for someone who is consistently in the Vesna conversation. If you're turning this thing over to the kids, though, That's a great contract for someone who is consistently in the Vesna conversation. If you're turning this thing over to the kids,

though, and if you're looking to go through some type of rebuild with the Predators, where's the value in Yussi Saros? Is the value keeping him because he keeps you in games? Hang on, here's what I want to get to. Is the value- No, I'm not even letting you ask it. It's a stupid question. But you know what we all talked about

around trade deadline time with UC Saros. And by the way, we should point out one thing. We still don't know what Bill Haslam wants to do with this team. Now, there's a new general manager officially taking over, although Barry Trotz is and has already been there for a while working with David Poy poyle there's new ownership coming in and we talked about new ownership with the

pittsburgh penguins and fenway sports and that goes back to last season there's new there's a new owner coming in with the nashville predators and we still don't know what his plan is for this team yeah i can't see them completely rebuilding i just don't see it but number two if you thought you were gonna move him you were gonna move him at the deadline someone was gonna have to steal him at the deadline i don't think you can do it anymore guy's too good he's too good if you're turning the team over to the kids, they need somebody back there who can eliminate their mistakes. Like that's what Soros does is those kids make a mistake and it doesn't end up in their net.

And they're like, Whoa, Oh, that was, that's good. I guarantee you there's another team out there is going to sing themselves, man. We thought we could steal Soros.

We should have done it at the deadline. I don't even think you're going to be able to steal them. I think they'd made it very clear if you were going to ask, come big or don't come at all. But now you're done. You cannot do that. You just can't. Okay. From Nashville, we go to Buffalo.

The Sabres. I'll tell you what. They made it to game 81. Yeah. Remember how we talked at the beginning of this season about, you know, what's the plan for the Buffalo Sabres, I'll tell you what, they made it to game 81. Remember how we talked at the beginning of this season about what's the plan for the Buffalo Sabres? Meaningful games and as many of them as possible. No more January flame outs.

No more December flame outs. They made it to game 81 before it was over for the Buffalo Sabres. I know it might sting for the fans and the owner and the players and all that, but Elliot, that was a really successful season for the Buffalo Sabres. I know, you know, the drought continues, 12 seasons, no playoffs. I get it.

Yeah. But not only are there signs of life with the Buffalo Sabres, but the potential for an excellent team is here as well. I agree with that. I mean, Levi, going to be fascinating with him. It really is. You know, what are they going to do in goal? But, you know, the other thing is Levi looks really exciting.

Darlene has made the turn into what everybody thought he was going to be. You know, we've talked about power before. He may not win the rookie of the year, but I think he's going to be long-term, potentially the best rookie in the year but i i think he's going to be long term potentially the best rookie in the class tage thompson proved that that was no fluke and you know the sabers made the the right gamble jeff skinners found life and you know the other guy this year too is middle stat like i think that guy on the for a long time like i'm sure, Jeff, there were times they could even give him away. And now he looks like, you know, he really has recovered. So it's an old line. There's two ways to solve your problem. You do it yourself or you trade them out. And the better solution is always

to fix it yourself. And one of the things that looks like there is that the Sabres are taking some of the guys that maybe weren't on the right trajectory or weren't doing so well, and they're fixing the problems themselves. I think next year is going to be fascinating because in that division, we've gotten too used to the Boston, Tampa, Toronto,

Florida triumvirate. Well, Ottawa and Buffalo are coming for them now they're coming uh and the detroit red rings are on the horizon as well um i think we throw dylan cousins into that conversation as well cousins has and he's been identified and compensated as as one of the key pillars going forward listen i'm with you on on on Devin Levi and that creates a really interesting situation here because what happens with Ukapeka Lukanen and what happens with Eric Comrie?

Like if you're already convinced that Devin Levi is your guy next season, is it a complete new tandem? Or if you have Levi, do you not go out and try to look for a veteran net minor to compliment him with? Because that's not Lukanen and that's not Comrie. Something has to give here if you really

believe that Levi is your guy and you've seen enough in six games. Unless you internally have a reason to believe Comrie or Lukanen can't do the job, I think you go Levi and one of the two of them. You would go Levi and Lukanen even though they're both really young? Do you not want Craig Anderson type there with a young netminder? Not necessarily, Jeff, because I think you bet on talent, right? That's where I think a goalie coach can handle things. That's where I think a veteran teammate can handle things.

I bet on talent first and foremost. And the Sabres seem to have a really good handle on goalies, right? Like Levi is for real. Lukanen's a talented guy. You know, they're the ones who took a shot at Craig Anderson when it looked like Craig Anderson was done and it worked out really well for them. Whoever makes their goalie decisions in there says, you can go Levi Lukanen.

I'm taking the shot at that. I'm just making sure that I have a good enough situation as a goalie coach or veterans around the team, like the opposals of the world, just to make sure it can be handled if it needs to be handled. But I always bet on talent first. I'm with you. The goaltending thing is fascinating with Buffalo.

I don't think anybody wants a three-goalie monster. No, you can't have that for a full season. Next season. So there's a decision coming. If you believe Levi's your guy, Lukanen or Comrie. I think only one stays on the island here. If, again, Levi is your guy. You know, you mentioned Kyle Oposo there a couple of seconds ago, and he's on an expiring contract if i'm throwing a dart at this one i'm saying he

comes back on a short-term deal just because of how they need someone like him around these young players i gotta think that the sabers want him back there have been some times over the past couple years where his voice has been behind the scenes, very prominent in a very positive way. Like, for example, like when they had the team meeting in Dallas a year ago, it was him and Anderson. This year, I think, you know, when they were thinking of sending a goalie down, like Lukonen down, when Anderson and Comrie were the team, I think Ocosa was one of the guys who went to management and said,

we need Lukonen kept here. Like, we need the three goalies here. And it worked for them for a while. When you have a player like that, who's obviously got a big voice and he uses it for good and the organization listens to him, I think you always try to find ways. Now, so until I have any reason to believe that Opozo is like, wants to go somewhere else or doesn't want to be there.

And I've got no reason to believe that. I think you find a way. Washington Capitals. I mentioned them a couple of moments ago. What's next for the Caps here this off season? Like I still maintain they're going to be one of the most interesting teams this off season, whether it's what happens behind the bench, whether it, what happens with who compliments Ovechkin

as he continues to chase down Wayne Gretzky's goal scoring record. What happens in Washington here? Well, first of all, you know, John Carlson's health really changes the equation. As you know, I've made the joke this year that Carlson could probably win the Norris because we learned how valuable he was when he was out of the lineup. Obviously there's going to be changes. They made some deals. They moved some guys out.

You know, I do think they're going to really explore Kuznetsov. Like, the one thing I didn't realize is Kuznetsov changed representation this year. He's now a Newport guy. And when you change representation and you still got time left on your contract that tells you that something's going on right so I would expect them to try to find a way to move Kuznetsov who's still got two years left on his deal and the other one I think is going to be interesting is going to be Manta, who hasn't played now in a week and a bit. And I'm kind of wondering what's going on there. He's got another year before his UFA, and I almost kind of wondered, like the conspiracy theory guy in me kind of wonders,

are they kind of like bubble wrapping him to make sure he gets out of the end of the year? Okay. LaViolette, I think a lot of us thought there was an extension coming. It kind of cooled off. If there is any kind of rebuild or I don't want to even say rebuild, but if there's a kind of retool here, like one of the things that's happened this year is that like some of their younger players haven't made the jump and you know I will say this Laviolette is not completely responsible for that like some of those players have struggled at Hershey at times this year so the question has not only been is it Laviolette's fault for not using them i think internally they've kind of asked are these

guys really ready but eventually they have to be it's like we talked about with tree living before like he's been at a place a long time does he want to change laviolette hasn't been in washington as long as tree living has been in calgary but I think one of the equations there is how does LaViolette feel about what the direction of the team and where they might go so I think that's a two-prong question it's how the Capitals feel and how LaViolette feels but I do think the Capitals are going to try to make some changes I think Kuznetsov might be one I think Mantha might be another. And, you know, like, I think they just look at this kind of year and say, you know,

we have to breathe in some new blood. Strom was a really good piece there. Milano was a really good fit there. They could have moved Jensen. They didn't. They signed him. They could have moved Van Riemsdyk. They didn't. They signed signed him they're taking their shot with sandin is it absolutely determined that mcmichael has to be on the roster next year they want hendrix lapierre on the roster next year i think they have a lot of decisions to make a lot of fascinating decisions to make the one thing about mcclellan is he's not afraid to make them and i'm really curious to see what they're going to do i i think the capitals this summer i think there's going to be a lot of news out of there put it that way okay elliot a couple more teams here before we wrap up the podcast on

this on this friday morning uh and we will get to some of these other teams later but we would just you know unfortunately we're a little tight for time with the authority of time weighing down on us uh your favorite podcasters okay um vancouver and ottawa let's start the nation's capital and Unfortunately, we're a little tight for time. With the authority of time weighing down on us, your favorite podcasters. Okay, Vancouver and Ottawa. Let's start at the nation's capital and the Ottawa Senators. Decisions here on the horizon for the Sens. Do they start with Alex Dabrinkit?

You know, Pierre Dorian said this week that he is going to qualify Dabrinkit, who's due a $9 million contract. Merry Christmas. Good deal for him. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't expect Dorian to say anything different, but are you really going into next year without the brink?

It signed. The only way I think you go into next year without the brink, it signed is if new ownership says, man, the torpedoes were going for the playoffs. I can see that. If the Remington group is successful here and Ryan Reynolds has two hands on the wheel, you think he's going to come in and say,

now we need to tamper expectations here. We need to take a long view of the Ottawa Senators or does Ryan Reynolds come in and say, yeah, it's rock and roll time. We're getting the playoffs. a long view of the Ottawa senators or does Ryan Reynolds come in and say, yeah, it's rock and roll time. We're getting the playoffs. Yeah. I it's,

it's tough as a new owner to come in and go backwards. Right. Remember Terry, listen, it might be the smartest thing. You remember when Terry Pagula bought the Buffalo Sabres and right away it was like, listen,

if I, if I want money, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll drill more oil wells. We're, we're trying to get good hockey players in here to make the playoffs.

And, you know, they signed, you know, Christian Erhoff and they signed really Lano, like outrageous deals. It was like, go spend, spend, spend. But the temptation is there. Look, you just buy a new car. You want to get it out on the highway as fast as possible.

Look, we've all been around hockey long enough to know it's not an ideal situation. If he's not signed to a long-term extension, the thing about the sanders is they have so many good young players and prospects that they're a team that can afford to move futures they did it for chikorin right they absolutely did it for chikorin and that's a team that can do that they have enough pieces and again they're not going to move backwards going to be a fascinating summer for them too the brink it's number one number two is what's your goalie tandem are you going soul guard Forsberg is that the way it's going to work

listen the uh the interesting thing about the the Ottawa Senators is they have legit young stars. Yes. And young players that are making an impact. Like Brady Kachuk is a star, full stop. Tim Stutzla is a star, full stop. We saw a lot out of Jake Sanderson this year. That guy is going to be a star, full stop. One of the big questions for me is, and we all cross our fingers,

can you get a full season out of Josh Norris? Can you get a healthy Josh Norris? The goalie question's a big one. Health is another huge one for me. Look, you look up and down that roster, you see a really good roster. I look at Norris and I look at Chikrin, they're two guys who have been bothered by that a lot. You just want them to stay healthy.

In Chikrin's case, it's proven to be a very big ask. If you really feel if you can get health with this team, you're probably about as set in any particular way you can be. All right, we'll finish up with the Vancouver Canucks. Here's some good news. Elias Pettersson hits the century mark. Right side, Pettersson back to Besser. He scores, and that's point number 100 for Elias Pettersson.

Besser tucks it into the net, but then pulls the puck out himself and grabs it. Elias Pettersson has 100 points this season, and the Canucks lead 1-0. And Pettersson gets it in style with a tic-tac-toe play starting with JT Miller. And I'm guessing that perhaps one of the first jobs, maybe the first job here is new deal for Elias Pettersson. Yes, I would tend to agree with that. You know, Elias Pettersson, he's got two more years until free agency, right?

It's not just one, it's two. So the Canucks have time here. I know this. If it's another year deal, and who knows what they do, it's going to be a gong show out there. No market worries more about contracts than Vancouver does. Like look at all the noise with Horvat this year. Toronto might be close. Like, I remember when the Marner stuff was up, like, it was relentless.

But no market talks more about contracts than the Canucks market does. So the number one reason you want to extend him long-term is because he's a great player. The number two reason you want to extend him long-term is that everybody can a great player. The number two reason you want to extend them long-term is that everybody can be quiet. Like just, we don't have to hear this anymore. Yeah, that's not going to happen, Elliot.

So, you know, it'll be interesting to see what Pedersen, you know, wants to do. Like he came on the podcast with us and he basically said, you know, I like it here and I want to be a Canuck long-term. Well, I love the interview just like I love the one with Soros because it was on the beach in Florida and I wish we could conduct more interviews like that. But ultimately we're going to get to a time where,

okay, it's time to prove that. And the first opportunity to prove that is going to be this off season. You look at Talkett, the players seem to really like playing for him. Giuseppe is a guy who's carved out a spot there. That's number one. Joseph is another guy who's carved out a spot there. Talkett likes these guys and they like playing for him. Herose looks like a really interesting player. Like that kid looks like he's a bit of a find. I don't think the owner wants to buy out anyone. So to clear space, they're going to have to get creative. And I still think they're going to look at another center. One of the guys I kind of wonder about this off season is Ross Colton from Tampa. And you know, you just look at Tampa's cap structure and Kalorn's a guy,

we don't know that they're going to be able to keep him. Like right now, Ross Colton is making 1.125 million and he's 26 years old. And so he's one year away from unrestricted free agency. He's an RFA with Arb Rights. I'll be interesting to see, does Tampa make room to keep him? Or are teams going to be lining up to go get him? And it won't be inexpensive. And it's not easy for Vancouver or anyone else to do. But that's a guy who I could see being on a few teams. He might actually be a little bit too old for what Vancouver's looking

at because they seem to want someone who's a bit younger but he's the kind of guy who I kind of look at out there and say like a team looking for a depth center is going to be looking at that kind of a player the other thing I want to mention about Vancouver is I do think there was a time this year where it looked like Demko might get dealt. I think that's off the table now. I think the way he's come back and played. Like, one thing I should say, Rutherford can do anything. He's not afraid.

But I really get the sense that anything that was there about Demko before, that's over now. I think he's staying. And you know why he's staying, Jeff? Because his dog needs to go for a three-peat next year. That's very good. When Rutherford first took over, we heard a lot of talk about creating flexibility and we need cap space. We need room to maneuver. And that sentiment continues to pop up. Do you think that's still one of the marquee jobs here for Alvin and Rutherford? marquee jobs here for Alvin and Rutherford create some flexibility create some room to move yes I do like like I said I think the owner doesn't want to do buyouts so it's going to be a real

challenge for them and how to do that they're going to have to get creative but yes I I do think that's going to be a key Frost to the left point moving through the high slot Polk checked away by Tays andaves went on that breakaway in overtime, I thought Kyle Davidson was going to jump out of the Blackhawks management booth to make the save on the Chicago captain. That was the wildest thing about this penultimate night of hockey, was watching Columbus get two points, Chicago get one,

and Anaheim end up with the best odds for Conor Bedard. So, Elliot, the update on Gabriel Landeskog of the Colorado Avalanche is not good for the team captain. The knee injury, he will not be available for the playoffs. You know, honestly, Jeff, my first reaction on Landeskog is it's too bad. It's too bad he won't get a chance to play this year. You know, the second thing I think about is just the enormous respect that I have for him that he was able to be a critical part of a Stanley Cup champion a year ago on an injury that would cost him a full season.

Sometimes people think athletes shouldn't do this. Like, I don't like to tell other people what to do. I don't like people telling me what to do because I don't like telling other people what to do we all decide in life what's important to us and if you've spent your whole life as a hockey player a guy who's building towards what Gabriel Landeskog is building toward of course you're going to do what he did last year and at least on that level I'm really happy for him that he got to celebrate by winning the Cup. I hope he recovers well, and I look forward to seeing him back soon. I don't think anyone's hugely surprised by this.

As we talked last week and we talked earlier in the week in the podcast, Jeff, there were rumors that he wasn't going to play last year, and I was really careful with my language last week when saying on hockey night that he wasn't going to play the rest of the regular season. People said, well, you said when he's going to play in the playoffs. And I thought that was a better choice than if, but there's no question that there were some people who thought that this could happen. It's too bad. All you do is you wish him the best in his recovery. It's a huge swing in the Stanley Cup playoffs,

not having Landis Gogg there. It's hard enough to repeat. It's going to be more challenging for the Avalanche now, although only a fool would count them out. You know, Elliot, earlier this week on the radio show, I had someone tweet me about Jonathan Taves and the Chicago Blackhawks, essentially Taves being the last man standing from this most recent glory period.

And he said the captain went down with the ship, which is rather appropriate. Thursday night, Jonathan Taves plays his last game in a Blackhawks uniform. Blackhawks are on the ice right now. And Jonathan Taves gets a salute. Now let's send it down to the Blackhawks bench where Jenna Rose is with Chicago's captain, number 19, Jonathan Taves. Jonathan, the sight of you alone shakes the United Center.

How memorable will tonight be, scoring your final goal as a Chicago Blackhawk in front of the best fans in the league? Well, I mean, I look back on my career, and I've been so lucky. It's been like a fairy tale, and this is just the perfect ending here in Chicago. I'm overwhelmed. I don't know what to say. This is too much. I don't know what to say. This is too much. I don't deserve this. I've been so lucky to be a part of some great teams with some amazing people, some amazing players. And, you know, I want to work hard to get back in the lineup to show the fans my appreciation. Just the way you guys turned out, you stuck with our

team through these last few years. It's been tough. It just shows we got the best fans in the world. It's been worth every sacrifice up until this point. Obviously, I thought it was the right way for the Blackhawks to handle it, to announce it in advance so that

if anybody wanted to go to the game and cheer for Taves, they would have the opportunity during the day to do it. Number two, I was a little bit surprised that it came up in the sense of it was discussed this week in Seattle and Taves was told that they weren't going to be resigning him. Like I think in a lot of ways, the organization had decided that this was going to be the path for probably about a year now. Look like I think Patrick Kane would have come back if he could, but I think he saw that that path was closed and that's why he eventually went

to the Rangers. I'm sure Taves felt the same way or kind of was, it was indicated to him it was going to be the same. But I think sometimes that's a reminder that maybe someone says something to you a year ago or last summer and you hope they're going to change their mind. Or you're like, yeah, things go differently. Plans don't always work. You know, what's my grandmother's line? You plan.

God laughs. Maybe Taves hoped that the Blackhawks would change their mind. And finally, last week in Seattle, they reiterated, no, this is going to be the case. I think a lot of people had really thought that that was where this was going to go. Ultimately, maybe you just check for one more time. As for Taves' future, You know, as for Tay's future, you know, to me, it's A, who's interested and B, how he feels. I'm not sure he would want to go anywhere. I'm sure there's situations that appeal to him more than others. You know, he's got to see who's out there, you know, but the other thing is, you know, his body has been really hammered by a lot of things. There's the grind of the National Hockey

League. You know, he's battled long COVID. He's also battled an autoimmune disease. You know, it's a lot. Anyone who's been through those kinds of things knows what it can take out of you. When he missed time this year around the trade deadline, because he was battling something, you know, I heard it really took a lot out of him. It really knocked him out of hockey shape. And there were people who felt at that time he wouldn't even be able to come back this year. So I think it says a lot about Tave's commitment that he was able to get back where he could play this season

because I think he obviously wanted, if this was it, a final chance to say goodbye. And everybody gets that on Thursday night. But I think internally and around the team, people kind of thought that this was going to be what happened, that he was going to play out the year. But like Kane, the Blackhawks weren't going to resign them. Yep.

You know, just a quick note on Philly, you know, really nice touch on Thursday night, you know, sort of like the inverse lap instead of a player getting the solo lap for their first game. Justin Braun is there for his last one and also his father being able to be on the bench in a really tough season for Philadelphia. I thought that was a really great moment. Emotional. Yeah. It didn't really hit me until Proby scored. You know, that's it.

But, yeah, it was an amazing run. I just want to thank my wife and parents and my kids for everything they did for me. You know, throughout my career, it helped me out when I was young. You know, my wife being there, being on the road, taking care of the kids, just always there for me, support.

And, you know, the guys, every guy I played with, it's been an absolute honor. And it's a tough day, but it was a great run. When did you find out about the Silla Lab and who came up with that? They just told me before. The boys were just yelling at me. I said, you know what, forget it. I'm just going to do it. And went out there, and that was great.

Those are the memories. I got to have my dad on the bench. What an honor that was. He's been there for me my whole career. And to be behind the bench for the last game was awesome. Was that a surprise? Oh, yeah. He didn't know.

Torch just told him before that period. It was awesome that they let him do that. You know, the Flyers have been great to me. before that period. It was awesome that they let him do that. You know, the Flyers have been great to me. You know, I can't thank them enough for, you know, everything. If you need something, they're always there for you. I don't believe Philly's going to be interviewing anyone for the GM job. Like, we've all believed that that's Daniel Breer's job, and I think that's the way it's going to be.

I'm really curious about the president's job. You know, one name we're hearing a little bit about is Ray Shiro. I don't think that would surprise anybody. I think it's really interesting in Philadelphia. I think there's all the talk about, you know, moving on and not necessarily be so connected to the past. But what was one of the things the Flyers were really criticized for a couple years ago was not properly recognizing Ed Snyder. And the other night in their home game, they acknowledged the anniversary of his death.

I think that's really important. You know, Shiro has obvious connections to the Flyers. He makes sense as the kind of person you want there to be the buffer between Breer and, and the higher levels of ownership and management. You know, I just wonder if as this search goes on, we're going to hear his name more and more. I don't know that there's much to that name in that marketplace with that

team. No, nothing comes to mind at all. No Shiro Philadelphia. Nope. Nope. Nothing, nothing really there.

Well, you know, Mike Nicoluk was the brains behind the Stanley Cup teams. The fog was the best. Okay, great note. Taking us out today, an artist from New York City who takes on a classic sound, mixing blues, soul, and a new take on folk. Jonathan Robert Lineberry, stage name The Bones of J.R. Jones, has dropped four full-length albums and five EPs

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