32 Thoughts: The Podcast - Buongiorno to the Olympic Break

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

In this episode of 32 Thoughts, Elliotte Friedman unpacks a busy night around the NHL. He dives into Kings vs. Golden Knights and the new developments in the Panarin trade. He unpacks what it means now that everyone knows Seattle was willing to spend (10:25). Elliotte also explores teams going through different cycles like Buffalo and Columbus (13:15), He talks about some salty postgame moments from JT Miller and Leon Draisaitl (18:26), and the growing tension around supplementary discipline after a dangerous elbow to the head of Charlie McAvoy (22:46). Plus, Olympic roster shakeups for Team Canada (31:07), and how teams hitting rock bottom like Ottawa and Philly can still turn it around (36:44). The Final Thought focuses on potential 1st overall draft pick Gavin McKenna's recent legal trouble (40:22).Dominic and Elliotte answer crowd questions in the Thoughtline (43:46). Today we highlight Hamilton singer, rapper, and producer Flowzus and his song “All My Minutes,” featuring Charles Rojas. Check him out here.Listen to all the 32 Thoughts music here.Email the podcast at [e-mail] or call the Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemail.This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates

If you, Dom, if you don't take credit for things that you never did, you will never go anywhere in this business. Life advice from Elliot Friedman. Welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast, presented by the Toyota BZ. Go all electric in a winter ready Toyota BZ at your local dealer today. Okay, this is going to be a little different. Kyle Bacoscus is on his way to Milan, so he was unavailable. I wanted to ask David Amber to co-host this one with me, but he went away on vacation. I don't know if he's paddling down the Amazon or whatever he's doing, but he was unavailable.

And rather than feel like a loser and getting rejected for a second time, I figured, you know what, I'll just do this one myself, to adjust this one time, and Dom will help me do the thought line and close the pod. So I'm not crazy about this, I have to admit. I like bouncing things off people, but I figured I'd try one just to see how it goes. And feel free to tell me how much I miss Kyle and really need a co-host. So here we go. watching the games on Thursday night. And the thing that really stood out to me was the last game of the night.

And that was Los Angeles at Vegas. And obviously, L.A. was in the news because Artemmy Panarin had his first Zoom call as a member of the Kings. And we'll get to that in a couple of minutes. But Ken Holland makes this big trade. There's lots of excitement for the Kings fans. Paneran makes it very clear that the Kings were his choice. choice and he's excited to play there. And what do they do? They go out and they fall behind four to nothing in 14 minutes.

That's ugly. Even though Panarin's not in the lineup, you're hoping that your team is going to give you a better response than that. And the worst thing is that it's the way you go out. So now Holland has 15 days to think about it. and I think there's a couple things here. He was on the TNT pregame and they asked him about his roster and he talked about how Warren Fogle isn't playing right now. So he's going to have to do something about that.

We also know that the Kings had been looking for a center. Before Panarin dropped on their lap, they were really trying to find a center. And that hasn't changed. they are still going to try to find a center. Now, someone told me that there were some reports. I didn't see them myself, but there were some reports that the Kings tried to get Vincent Trochec as part of the deal. I don't know if that's true.

Honestly, I have no idea. From what I've heard about Trochec, he doesn't have complete control of the situation, but from the control he does have and the preference that he has expressed, he prefers to stay east. now it doesn't mean it's going to happen that way it doesn't mean it won't change however at this point in time based on his list and also his stated preference i've heard he would like to stay east so i don't know that you can consider him a solution for the kings or anyone else on that side we'll see how it all plays out but nothing that happened on Thursday night in Vegas is going to convince Ken Holland that that hole doesn't need to be solved. It was just, you know, part of me wants to like excuse it a bit because it's the last game before the Olympics and everybody's mind isn't there. But then I hear

myself say that and I say it's a terrible excuse. You know, you're still in the playoff race. You're battling to get there. You have to have pride as a player. And especially when you fall behind early 1 and 2-0, you want to fight back. You don't want to see your team completely fooled. So, you know, that's the thing. Now, Holland has

a couple of weeks here to sit and really stew over that defeat. No, he's got Panarin coming in, and what does it mean? What changes does he make? Does he talk about, coaching, does he talk about other players? You know, he's got Panarin coming in there now. Panarin didn't play. Is he satisfied with finishing the rest of the year like this? And I think to add to that level and to add to this conversation, before the Panarin thing happened,

the kings were talking about not giving up assets for anything this year because they weren't sure. and made any sense. You know, there were the rumors about Evander Kane, and even though Evander Kean probably costs you, say, a third rounder or a fourth rounder or something like that, they weren't even so sure they wanted to do that. So even though you're excited about Panarin, you still have a lot of the same problems that you had before. So I think that's going to be one of the biggest questions I have after this game now is, how does Los Angeles proceed? You know, Panarin, he had his Zoom call. He was really interesting.

He didn't back away from too many things. You know, he was directly asked about Seattle's offer, which was rumored to be four times 14 million plus, and he didn't deny it. He just said, you go where you want to go, right? you know, he was pretty honest about wanting to play for L.A. He was pretty honest about his contract negotiations with the Rangers. Like he wasn't trying to hide from any of the hockey questions he got. And the thing about the Kings is they played poker.

Panarin admitted that he wasn't sure it was all going to work out. they were talking about a $45 million contract on Tuesday, and the Kings didn't want to do it. They said, no, you know what? We're not comfortable with it. And I'm sure there's a story here, and I'm sure over time we'll figure out what it is. But, you know, Panarin admitted on the call that the king slow played him a bit.

Yeah, I was actually, that's, I guess I before they, they wait pretty long, I feel like and then I obviously know like I was have experience being free agent like seven years ago, so it's kind of similar stuff. So I kind of was ready for that. But I also was ready for even that's not going to happen. I probably wait till. like after Olympics break time. So, yeah, I was, I was not ready for picket team, like, where I don't want to go.

So that's, that's a thing. So, and I don't know, I probably go to Russia, back to Russia if they don't give me anything. I think if you're a smart GM and Holland is very smart and has been around a long time, your job is not only to know what you can do, but your job is to know what's happening around you. And I kind of wonder if the Kings had intel that they were in control here. Because especially with the Florida teams, Tampa and the Panthers out of the equation, they must have had a pretty good idea that they were right at the top when some of the other teams went by the wayside. And they could afford to do that. Now, I don't know if it was something similar.

as, hey, you know, we're not doing 45, but we'll do 22 or something like that. You know, I had one agent who said to me on Thursday night, he kind of wondered if they said, let's do a two-year deal here. And then if the cap rises, we can do another two-year deal and you can make even more money. It's a risky game to play. but there are some people out there who like to gamble. And don't forget, Panarin may have left about 30 million on the table here by taking the L.A. offer instead of the Seattle one.

And eventually they just got it done. And, you know, the thing that you can do if you're the Kings is, if you don't want to go for it this year, and the challenge with that is you're trying to have copious, Patar go out in a good way. If you don't want to go for it this year, you can say, look, we've got Panarin signed. We can deal with a lot of this stuff in the summer. I can't imagine it's what they'd want to do after the excitement of trading for Panarin and

signing him, but they could do it that way. So I think suddenly now the Kings become one of the teams that's most interesting to watch over the next few weeks. I think the other thing that you have to point out here is Seattle. We now know, so Washington was in this, Carolina was in this, I think Utah was in this, even though they try to downplay it,

I think they were in this. But Seattle was the one that really came over the top. I think the hurricanes made a competitive financial offer. I think the capitals made a competitive financial offer. I think the mammoth made a competitive financial offer, but the biggest financial offer was the Cracken. And the thing is, even though they didn't get him, if you're ever been to a casino before, you know when there's somebody who walks in and he's got a huge wad of cash. And we're not talking about the fake wad of cash where it's a $100 bill and underneath is a whole bunch of ones.

Everybody here knows somebody like that. It's somebody who has a whole role of hundreds. and all of a sudden, everybody's paying attention to them. You get a seat at the best table. You get comp the best hotel room. You get comp the best meal at the best restaurant in the hotel. The service is fast. They're right there to light your cigarette.

That's the cracking right now. And the thing about the cracking is they don't have to do it. the fact that they did it in this particular case said this isn't happening to everybody this is happening to somebody that we consider special but everyone's going to line up around them and they're going to say can we convince you that ex person is special or ex player is special everybody knows now that they are willing to spend. And I don't know if it's now.

I don't know if it's later, but the words out. Seattle's willing to try something. It's never tried before. And they're open for business. I had a lot of interesting conversations about what Seattle tried to do. and I think one of the things I've learned about is that teams go through different cycles.

Like you look at Buffalo right now, I made a comment on Monday's pod that the Sabres don't want to make themselves worse. And someone said to me, that's the dumbest comment you've ever made. And I said, boy, you must keep a really long list because I've made a lot of dumb comments. And he goes, no, seriously, of course the Sabres don't want to make the same. themselves worse. And I said, no, you don't understand. What I'm talking about here is right now they have a player who, as far as I can tell, while there have been some conversations, they're still not close.

And that's Alex Tuck. And the general rule in that particular case is if you can't sign them by the trade deadline, you trade them. You don't lose them for nothing. but sometimes you have to turn the conventional wisdom on its head. You're at a point in your organization where you're, I know they had a bad game on Thursday night when they lost to Pittsburgh, but generally they've been outstanding and they're very much in the race.

Your fans are energized for the first time in 15 years. Your players are energized. Everything's going well. You go for it. That's a point where you throw out the conventional wisdom and you say, you know what, we need this for our fans, we need this for our city, we need this for our organization. The funny thing about that is Yarmalekalayan's in the chair. He went through a similar thing in Columbus years ago when Panarin was an unrestricted free agent.

Remember, they traded for Matt Dushain and everybody said, you know, what are you doing? You might not be able to keep all these guys. but Columbus had never won a playoff round at the time, and they went and they wiped out one of the best regular season teams in NHL history, Tampa, in the first round. And they needed that at that time. They had to do that at that time. It was important.

And I think that's the same thing now for the Sabres. I even look at the blue jackets now, and I see a team, like they've got some UFAs, Charlie Coyle, Charlie Coyle, the way he's going right now, is going to have people slobbering all over him on July 1st. You could probably trade him for a boatload. But Columbus has been down a bit. They've got Boone Jenner. They've got Mason Marchment.

You know, it's going to be interesting to see what they decide to do because when they hired Rick Bonas, I think they were saying, ah, if we get back in, we might keep some of these guys, but we better be prepared to trade them. Well, now they're very much in the mix. They're in the mix both in the wild card and in the Metro Division. So what do you do? You have that same decision to make. Do you say we need to reward our fans or do we make the deal?

I think you might need to reward your fans. And I look at Seattle right now. They're in the race. They're at the break. They're in a playoff spot. Same thing. You know, when you look back and they'd probably admit it now, the worst thing that probably happened to the Cracken was they won that playoff round

against Colorado in year two. Because now you can't take a step back. Now when you take a step back, you're in trouble. But they were still building up their base. It wasn't like the win was undeserved. They completely deserve the win. Anytime you beat Colorado in a playoff series, you deserve the win. But they really weren't ready for it.

They didn't have the overall structure. And so now they're in the race. They're playing really hard. They're battling. They give an honest effort every night. Gru Bauer has resuscitated his career. And you say, you know what? It's our time to strike.

We have to do something. And I think most people look at them the same way. Good on you. Way to try it. Maybe it didn't work. Maybe it sounded crazy. but you're at a point in your existence where you have to try something like this. So that's where the Kraken are now.

They are going to be a team that people are going to look at because there's going to be people who say, hey, I've got a free agent, I've got a player needs a fresh start. Why don't you take them? They are going to be pitched relentlessly. And hopefully for their sakes, they'll be smart about it. They'll be judicious about throwing the money around. This was uniquely special case. But there's zero doubt in my mind.

They're going to have a whole bunch of people coming up to them and saying, we've got ideas for you to spend your money. A couple things I wanted to react to from the ends of games tonight. I watched the Rangers loss at home to Carolina. really cool moment after the game, Henrik Lundquist searching out Brandon Bussie to meet him. Great picture with the two of them.

I mean, Bussy would idolize Lundquist who didn't. Even if you weren't a Ranger fan, who didn't. You know, I watched J.T. Miller post game. I know it's really, it's still fresh, I should say, but just what is the message to you team now going into the great vision after room? I don't know. We've got to come back with a better mindset.

Has it been good enough. the last little while, so try to regroup, freshen up, and I don't know. I really don't know. We just need to enjoy or take time. I literally don't know. Come back with a better mindset, I guess. And I understand something. Losing sucks.

Okay? I also understand, and you've heard me talk a lot on this podcast about don't pour gasoline on the fire. Adam Foote in Vancouver, don't pour gasoline on the fire. He has rarely criticized them all year. Jim Hiller in L.A. Rarely criticize them all year. We're right there.

You don't want to give people ammunition to come after your team. You want to defend your players, particularly as a coach. You know, I watch Miller, and I understand he's frustrated, and like I said, I know losing sucks, but he has to find a better way to deliver the message. because, you know, the way he's doing it, unfortunately right now, it's making it worse. And I know he doesn't want to talk,

and I know he's frustrated, but you're the captain, you have to do it, and maybe he'll be rejuvenated playing for the gold medal overseas in Italy. It's going to be a different and more fun challenge right now than the Rangers are. But you have to go out there, and you have to come up with a better message than that. And, you know, you can see Sullivan's frustration, too, and he spoke about a postgame tonight. You can see he feels his message is not getting through.

And I think that's one of the reasons the Rangers are taking it down a bit is because they've picked this coach. They gave him term. They gave him a big contract. Two-time Stanley Cup champion. This is our guy. And they look at it like if the message is not getting through, It's the fault of the room as opposed to the fault of the coach. So they're backing their guy.

But also, you know, Miller's your captain. Sullivan and Miller have to find a way to make sure his message gets through. So when I look and, you know, you can't just come back and waste your last six weeks of the season. You know, I think that's important. I know right now it's about the gold for Team USA. and Sullivan has to be focused on that and Miller has to be focused on that and so does everybody else.

Jury's part of the management group. But I also think that when I see the rest of this season, Miller's message has to be better and they have to work together on how to transfer Sullivan's message to the entire room. Because I think the thing now is even if you have a bad season and a nightmare year,

which unfortunately it's been for the Rangers, there's no excuse not to try to make it end well. You know, Craig Simpson always hammers me about this. He always says, beware the team that starts winning when it doesn't matter. I actually disagree with that. I think you can always end your year. Even if you've had a terrible year, you can always try to end your year well.

And especially like a big NHL tent pole, franchise like the Rangers, I think you have to try to end it well. And it starts with at least trying to create some more positivity around the group, even when you're going through the retool. Edmonton, that dry-sitle media conference after the game on Wednesday night, that was a whopper. This is a really veteran team that's played a lot of important office. your 58 games or whatever you're into this season and you're still trying to find your defensive game.

Can you, you know, does this, have we hit some critical mass here? Do you think coming into the spring? I mean, yeah, absolutely. Like, we're, yeah, not, not consistent enough. And, um, yeah, just, this league's too hard, you know, to, you know, just like a lolligagague through games and, and try to, try to get winning streaks going. You need everybody. It starts with coaches. Like everybody. Like you're never going to win if you have four or five guys going. And it starts at the top.

We can be better. Our leaders can be better. And yeah, we'll take the break and regroup. You know, you rarely hear a player be so direct with the coaching staff like that. Even like a superstar country flag bear at the Olympics, like dry-sides. for him to do that. It is so rare for a player to do that. It is so rare.

I have no doubt that, you know, and, you know, he also made a comment about Jari making the saves. I would bet that's in some slight retribution to Jari's comments at the end of last week. And I have no doubt that that's on some level, they said to Jari, hey, you're new here. You just worry about stopping the puck and we'll deal with the rest of this stuff. You know, there's a lot of talk in Edmonton. They're going to bring back Paul Coffey.

I don't know if I see that. I looked into that earlier in the season. I was told it's not going to happen. I'm not sure everybody involved wants to do that. However, I do recognize that it's getting a bit ugly and that forces everybody. into decisions that they may not want to make, but I didn't sense a lot of enthusiasm for that idea from multiple places when I brought it up earlier in the year.

You know, I don't know what Dry Settle's talking about there. Is he talking about preparation? Is he talking about energy? Is he talking about enthusiasm? But when, you know, your franchise player, or one of the two of them talks like that, you got to fix things. I think one of the things they have to do is they have to close this loop with Mangapani.

You know, we worked the Edmonton Toronto game last Tuesday. I thought Manjapani was trying to be energetic, was trying to do things. He made the one mistake and he was benched. You know, it's clear that the coach and him, they're just not there. it's not there some relationships don't work that one doesn't work i think what you have to do now and they've been going on it for a bit you just have to cut the court you have to find a way to move on because i think that kind of thing it can suck the life out of the rest of the group they've got a lot of guys struggling um they're not playing very well um you know one of the things the ullers have

had an issue with it was the same thing the least had the issue with it was the same thing the lees had the issue with when they had the core four is you know some players who are so big in the room and so big on the ice it's not like it's undeserved but it happens and everybody doesn't feel comfortable in their role everybody isn't happy with their role like the thing about florida is that they have empowered everybody there like you can tell that's a team where everybody feels that their role matters. And they've battled with that in Toronto, and they're battling with that in Edmonton. And I just think, I know the Oilers have looked for players who kind of are satisfied in a

bottom six role. Like I look at Casperi Capitan, he does a good job for them, and he seems satisfied with it. But they have to find more guys like that. And if you want to cancel some of the negativity, I just think that moving Mangapani, that's something I believe you can do. Florida, Tampa Bay. Back inside the lightning zone.

It's Moser and then Kachuk just came in and dumped Kuchra off down and there's going to be another penalty I'd imagine coming from that. And now Sibrango is in the middle of this and Radish just grabbed Kachuk and oh, here we go. The bell sounded here, benchmark international arena. Brandon Hagle and Matthew Kachuk and Hagle letting some right hands fly.

Kach holds him back. the jersey off of Matthew Kachuk now as Kachuk counters with a couple of right hands and we've got a big old dust up here. Forzling and Moser now this is turning into a Donnybrook here at Benchmark International Arena. Here's Gus Forzling and J.J. Moser

swinging away. In the neutrals on Forzling a right hand. He took Moser right down and he continues to unload on Moser. ESPN had a great stat there. 800 penalty minutes in seven games including exhibition with them

this year. You know, it's interesting. So the night before, Florida played Boston, and Charlie McAvoy took a hit, and it was not a major, and I think a lot of us thought it was a major, and it was only a minor.

And it didn't get reviewed for supplementary discipline the day after, but I was surprised at how many people reached out and that wasn't the thing that they were most upset about. What they were most upset about is that on that play, Florida got a manned advantage. They got a power play because Boston got a retaliatory penalty. They went back after for revenge. And then the bench got a bench minor for being angry about the call.

And, you know, I said on the last pod, I'm getting a sense that with the stress of this season, the tightness of the schedule, the compact nature of it, how close the standings are, nerves are really fraying with the officiating and the supplementary discipline. And I generally tend to stay away from that.

I mean, people are always mad at referees. People are always mad at the Department of Players safety, but this year, it's really boiling. And I can always go by how much my phone buzzes, how many people really care about this, how many people are really bothered by this. That one, it really bothered people. They were upset about it. They felt that was an unfair outcome.

And McAvoy, you know, he came back into that game. You knew with the Olympics on the border. There was no way he was leaving. There was no way he was getting knocked out of that game. But even people I know who hate the Bruins were like, that's not right. That's not fair. I thought that was pretty interesting. And then the next night, another brawl between the lightning and the Panthers,

everybody's probably feeling very good about the fact. that they aren't playing again this year because we can put that to bed and that we don't have to worry about them anymore and anyone getting hurt or getting suspended. Really tough couple of days, though, for Anthony Sorrelli and for Brandon Hagel, they knew Sorrelli right away, you could tell. They made the announcement earlier this week. And, you know, Sorrelli, I always thought it would be Bennett. you know if you heard the interview we did with Cooper earlier this week

we asked him what was the toughest cut and he wouldn't go there and someone after that interview aired texted and said Bennett and so I wasn't surprised that Bennett got put in I think a lot of people were surprised and get put in in the first place, but I wasn't surprised he got put in. Point, you could tell they waited to the last minute.

They really hoped that he could be there. He really hoped that he could be there. But obviously it didn't work. I have to think, I feel for both Sorrelli and Point and anybody else who's missed the Olympics. I'm really happy for Gabriel Landisog that he could make it. There were a number of other players who got knocked out, Brodine, Luchanan. I feel really terrible for them.

You know, I heard the teams and I mentioned this were all over these players. You have to be honest with us. You have to let us know, can you really play or not? And, you know, Sorrelli, it sounds like the decision was completely taken. taken out of his hands. Hagle at least, it sounds like he had some call over it, but he did the selfless thing. And the only thing you can do is take yourself out. Now, because Hagle was a guy who played with McDavid at times, I thought they were going to take Hyman. Just because of the chemistry, I figured he would be the guy they would take. I always felt if Sirelli was out, it was going to be

Bennett and I thought if point went out because he played with McDavid it was going to be Hyman they went with Seth Jarvis can't argue with Seth Jarvis and the other thing too is again from that interview we did Cooper talked about the loyalty to the players who won last time listen I could can the answer and say no it doesn't matter or any let's be honest it of course it matters I mean you're the you've gone through 12 days of especially like let's remember that tournament, what went on, like not only what went on on the ice, what went on off the ice and the political landscape and what the guys had to go through and, and, uh, familiarity is, is a real thing. Um, I will sit here and say, though, that, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, everybody we had going around picked team, because in the end, you know, I, I get to see these players every so often, but not the way, you know, our management group got to see them and I'll give them credit they they dug their heels in and and and in the information and the guys we picked like you can't argue with it and and yeah would we have loved to have kept the four nations team and just added to guys for sure like that's uh you know like my because you know when you when you win with people you know them you trust them you want to keep going through a wall for them. And, you know, ultimately, it's just the reality it doesn't get to happen. And, but it doesn't shortchange any of the guys that are coming in because, you know,

everybody's gave themselves a reason to be on the team as well as probably 10 other guys that aren't on the team. You know, he said you can't take everybody else. You can't bring everybody back and just take two new guys. You have to make some changes. But he talked about that group And the thing that he said that is really stuck with me is that when you win together, you continue to run through walls for each other. So he's looking at Bennett and he's looking at Jarvis. And he thinks that because they won together, those guys will continue to have the great chemistry and the great desire to win for each other.

And I'll tell you something, too, I think, about Seth Jarvis. And none of this should be forgotten with the fact the kid's a heck of a player. That Team Canada room, I don't know if I would call it a loud room from what I heard at the Four Nations, but it was an active room. It was an aggressive room. It was a happy room. And guys went at each other in a fine. and competitive way.

And I think Bennett's a part of that. And I think Jarvis is a part of that. And I think there are people in Team Canada who think that really matters. They felt that was one of the reasons they were successful at the Four Nations. And I think they wanted that again. Okay.

I want to talk Rock Bottom. Jake Sanderson. Auto's in a bad place. Teams playing hard. not getting saves floundering jake sanderson criticizes marilyn a couple weeks ago he to the moment it happens next day he's mortified goes and apologizes lose a couple games in the aftermath of that now they're red hot red hot coincidence maybe maybe not Allmark's back, but they started the streak before Allmark came back. Rimer's been very good.

What I'm trying to say is it shows you that that doesn't have to derail your season. I like Ottawa a lot. All year long, Travis Green has been preaching the numbers say were better than our record. They're starting to realize it. You can see it in the way they play. They dominated Philly, but they had to go to overtime to get. get the win. Stick with what you do well and you can be successful. But also it's a lesson. You can hit rock bottom as they did after that game where Sanderson said what he said, but if you're

mature, it doesn't have to be the end of the world. Philly, Talkett Mishkov, Breyer comes out, says what he says, excellent. But I think they also met privately. I think Tocke got his say. not really sure if it was Mishkoff or his representative or what they had to say. I don't think there's anything wrong with Rick Tocke, asking for accountability. Beyond time, be in shape, try to do these things right. I don't think there's anything wrong with the Flyers or Miskov or his rep saying to him, you know what that's all true i started behind the eight ball i'm ready to climb out of the hole i'm not going to be perfect but i'll give you the right effort and you know what he had a bad

giveaway i saw everybody reacting to it on my timeline i was like oh my god the key thing here is if the flyers and their fans want to make this work, you can't obsess on every little thing. Just keep pushing through. Ottawa, like we said, rock bottom, couple losses, climb their way out of it. Philly, commit to a plan,

commit to a path, stick to the path, even if there's rocky moments, stick to it and go with it. Edmonton talked about dry sidel. That's got to be rock bottom for Edmonton this year. I can't imagine. It was a tough week.

They got pounded by Minnesota. They lost to the Maple Leafs. They lost to Calgary. Frustration boils over. Rock bottom. How are you going to pull yourself out of it? Sanders did it. Those other two teams can't.

Time now for the final thought presented by the Toyota BZ. Go All Electric and a winter ready Toyota BZ at your local dealer today. You know, I quickly wanted to talk about Gavin McKenna here. I don't want to get too deeply into it. The simplest thing is to let this play out. You know, someone texted me on Wednesday as the story broke and said, you know, why haven't you retweeted or tweeted anything about this yet? And I said the story is changing so fast, so fast.

First, the news of the charges hit social media. Then the post comes indicating that he was coming to the defense of his mom, and everybody's opinion changes. and then later on comes a police statement, and it's so fast. Like, you know, the world changes so quickly, the narrative changes so quickly, I never saw anything that encapsulated the entire story that made me comfortable. And, you know, I know a lot of people are talking about this. You know, what's this going to do to his draft stock?

What does this say about him? I mean, first of all, the draft isn't for another five months. There's going to be a lot of time here to let the process play out and to have everybody do their investigations, everybody do the due diligence they need to do. Like, it is crazy to sit here today and say, well, this is what it's going to do to his draft stock. We don't know.

We haven't heard any of the real evidence presented yet in court. So, you know, somebody asked me, you know, what do you think of the whole thing? I said, I want to see when more facts come out. I want to see what happens at the preliminary hearing. I want to see what evidence is presented. I want to see the full picture. And then, and only then, will we have a true idea of what we're dealing with here? So if you're wondering, what this means for him now. We should know in about a week. And if you're wondering what it means for him later,

anybody who answers that question right now or claims they know, they have no idea, no clue. They're just guessing at something nobody has any expertise in. Facts get out, then we'll know. Wait for them. This was the final thought.

presented by the Toyota BZ. Coming up next, we'll get to the thought line. If you're tired of hearing just from me, I have great news for you. Dom will run the thought line. All right, thought line. Normally Kyle introduces it, but he's not here, so he can't introduce it. So I bring you the outstanding producer, the ears of this program, Dom Sermati. He will run.

the thought line today. Dom? Thank you for that first compliment ever live on the podcast. Appreciate it. You're welcome. Don't get used to it. Trust me, I won't. So we usually go through the thought line thoughts before we get to the questions, Elliot.

Do you have any thoughts on the thought line? I do have some thought line thoughts. And so first of all, when Daniel Breyer did hold his media scrum the other night in Philadelphia, after the Talkit Mishkov thing, a J. Money sent a bat signal. But instead of the bat, it was, as Kyle suggested, Breer down on one knee giving the fist pump. I got a great laugh out of that. That was outstanding. As you are aware, and the listeners are aware, the last pod was a day late because of the Barry Trott story.

and some people were not thrilled about that. One listener, his name is Parker Price, asked, did Dom finally quit on you? I'm still here. Did you? No, sir. The ambidextrous story continues to go, players who are ambidextrous.

And I wanted to thank one individual, The Bill Slice 9. is his handle. Hey, I don't know if it counts for the ambidextrous play, but Matt Lashoff used to bring two sticks left and right to Men's League. He would play one shift left, one shift right. That definitely counts. Matt also an excellent guitar player. And even if it's Men's League, if you can play both ways, you're a stud. Okay, Dom, as usual, there is a ton of raccoon content. Yes. There is a ton of raccoon content. There's one individual. His name is Luca Morgante. He sent me this unbelievable video of a woman who goes into some kind of salon and she's

walking with a baby raccoon. And one of the women who works there picks it up, cuddles with it, and says, aside from getting engaged, this is the best day of my life. What? I don't know who this person is. I don't know what her story is. But I just wanted to say, she's pretty young, probably in her 20s. I just want to say, I hope the next 70 years of your life goes better than the first 25 if the second best day of your life is picking up and cuddling with a baby raccoon.

Elliot, I don't know what takes over the world first. AI or raccoons? Some of this I think is AI. So it's probably a combination, AI raccoons. I had a few people who sent me a video of a man on the toilet and a raccoon comes through the bathroom window with the caption, no matter what happened to you today, at least a raccoon didn't jump through your bathroom window.

I'm kind of convinced it's an AI edited video, but it's still funny. I had a ton of you who also sent me a wrap. There's a guy sitting in the front seat of his car, and he wraps about cooking and eating a raccoon while sitting there for about 30 minutes. The guy's name is Uncle Bassie Live, and about five of you sent it to me. I really appreciate it. It's a good rap. The guy's actually pretty talented, even if the subject matter is a little bit weird. I had a couple of you send me notes about a raccoon island in Miami that you can, it's about a 45 minute kayak. And I love the idea of a 45 minute kayak. Kayaking is one of my favorite things on the water. But raccoon island, and they're like, you can swim among the raccoons, but you might not. not want to because some of them are rabid.

Yeah, I'm not only do I might not want to, but I definitely don't want to. So even I'll do a 45 minute kayak to close to that thing, but I'm not going anywhere near them. And a couple more, just to finish them up here. You spoke in your podcast as Matt Cunningham. You spoke in your podcast about Danny Breyer putting up the light in the sky, the bat signal. I think his would be a flyer logo, but I wanted to tell you that your logo would be a raccoon in the sky. Thanks very much, Mac. Yes, we're definitely getting there with this season.

And finally, Riley Davis, greetings from Halifax, Nova Scotia, I was listening to Tuesday's podcast and the stories about the raccoons and garbage bins reminded me of my own raccoon story. One day my father got up early and noticed that our tall green bin wasn't emptied. He went out and peeked inside and there was a raccoon enjoying his breakfast. My father went back into the house, grabbed my goalie stick, and used it to knock over the bin from a distance, thinking that the raccoon would just run away. He couldn't have been more wrong. The raccoon came out of the bin and charged at him. My father, being a Bruins fan, did his best impression of Zadano Chara at the hardest shot competition. Safe to say the raccoon

Raccoon had to be placed on LTIR with an upper body injury and I got a new stick. Love the podcast. Go Habs Go. Riley, you're very lucky your father was not drawn and quartered for doing that. As terrible as raccoons are, and I think they are terrible. They are a protected species. You cannot do things like that to them, but Riley, what I'm more curious about is how in your household was your dad a Bruins fan and you a Habs fan. Do you guys even speak? Do you guys have any relationship?

Those family get-togethers must be fantastic. Perfect, Elliot. All right, let's get to the thought line submissions as we do every week here and we'll continue on the raccoon theme here. Jake from Lakeville, Minnesota. Elliot, Kyle, and Dom, Jake from Lakeville, Minnesota, popping in like raccoons into an unlocked garbage can. I know NHHs, officials have an extremely difficult job and are the best in the world at what they do. So I hope I don't take any unsportsmanlike conduct penalties with this question. Does the NHL track penalties called by each referee? For example, does West McCully call more penalties on a visiting team?

Does Chris Rooney call fewer slashing penalties than other officials? Is there a team that draws more penalties on home ice compared to others? Hopefully these questions make sense on paper as they do in my tiny run. raccoon brain. Keep up to great work. This is elite dumpster diving podcasting. Well, thank you, Jake. You know what? I think the NHL does keep some stuff like that. They're pretty quiet about it, but I'll tell you two things. If you're interested in things like that, there's a website called Scouting the Refs. And also they have a social media feed, for example, on X. And every day they will put out the referee and linesmen matchup

for each game. And they will also tell you some history with the referees and those particular teams. Like what is a team's record when this particular referee refs their game? Teams are very aware of this. They're pretty guarded about it. But, you know, there are coaches and it goes back to Scotty Bowman. They have books on referees. They know how some guys feel about games.

Are they guys who call penalties? Are they guys who let teams play? are the guys who call penalties early and then ease up. What can you do to set this guy off? What don't you do to set this guy off? Who you can talk to, who you can't. I think teams have a pretty good feel for these officials. So in terms of public numbers, Jake, if you're looking for that,

scouting the refs is the site I would go to. Other than that, I do think teams and the league keep some of this data, but we are not privy to it. Okay, Mason from Sudbury. Hello, Elliot and cast. I like you, Mason. You're a genius. I'm a big fan of the show and it had been for a while.

I can even recall a day when it was called 31 thoughts of the podcast. And even from the back, I recall avidly reading 30 thoughts as a high school student. Thank you, Elliot, for sparking my passion for all things off the ice when it comes to hockey. Now for my question, I was scrolling Instagram, and saw a post regarding SUI and in parentheses St. Louis,

Dad's trip. In this post included a side by side of Nathan Walker and his father. This prompted me to pull up his HockeyDB profile because I could not remember exactly where he was from,

but I remembered it being from a place uncommon for an NHL player to come from. He was born in Wales, grew up in Australia. What caught my eye, though, was that not, his birthplace, but what year he was drafted and more specifically where he was playing when he

was drafted. Nathan Walker was selected in the third round, 89th overall of the 2014 NHL draft by the Washington Capitals from their very own AHL affiliate, the Hershey Bears. I did not think it was possible for draft eligible players to play pro in North America. Was there a loophole exploited for this to happen? I can see how. this may have been more common in previous decades. I believe Patrick Stefan was drafted out of the IHL in 99, but things seemed less organized back then. Any info on the matter is appreciated.

Love the pod. Thank you for providing us with exceptional content. And PS, since this is also a football podcast, go Patriots. What do you think, Dom? Do you think, I mean, I know you're a Jets fan, but you're in Vancouver. Do you think most people are cheering for the Seahawks this weekend much more than the Patriots? I mean, not even Tom Brady is cheering for the Patriots.

What a weird story that is. Weird. Absolutely. Yeah. So I go Patriots. I still have my, you know, actually I did a speech last week, St. Andrews College, just north of Toronto and Aurora, is a great school and has an excellent hockey team. And they host a terrific tournament. and seven U.S. based teams, including places like Culver, which is a top hockey program,

they came up there to play in this tournament, and they asked me to speak to the kids just about some things I learned about life and hockey that worked for me. And I brought one of my workout shirts, which is an old ratty Patriots do-your-job shirt. And I showed it as part of my presentation. And I'll never get rid of that shirt. Belichick always said that slogan is missing one word. It's well. Do your job well.

But it's, I always think about that shirt. It puts me in the right frame of mind. Anyway, I don't know. I think Seahawks this weekend, Dom. What are you? 100% Seahawks. Go Sam Donald. Okay.

I think they win, but I'm amazed that the Patriots are back there so quickly. Okay. So the answer to your question is a lot of it depends on where you're born or where you're you play or where you play your junior or minor hockey. You're right about situations like the one you mentioned with Patrick Stephan. Radic Bonk would be another one. Radic Bonk came over from Europe at that time and he played for the old IHL Las Vegas team and was drafted out of there by the Ottawa Senators.

So a lot, when you have players who come from different countries, you can choose a bit of an unusual path. Now, here is the answer for Nathan Walker. When Walker became a teenager, I think he was about 13 years old, he moved to the Czech Republic. And he started playing for junior teams there. And he would eventually become the first Australian to play in Europe on the senior level, and eventually he moved over to North America. He played in the USHL, and then eventually he signed with Hershey. And he was actually passed over in the NHL draft twice. So he actually went to the capitals training camp in 2013, and he signed with Hershey,

and he played there, and they saw him. And you cannot become a free agent until you are no longer eligible. for the NHL draft. And since in 2014 at that draft, he was still technically eligible to be taken in the draft. They couldn't sign him as a free agent. They had to draft them, which they did.

That's why that happened, Mason. He had an unusual path. He came over to North America. He'd been passed over in the draft twice, but when the capitals wanted to take him, he was still draft eligible. So they had to take him in the draft. They couldn't sign him.

as a free agent. So is that, can that happen to anyone or do you have to specifically be from like a non-North American or European hockey market? Like can anyone go undrafted, play in the H.L and then get drafted again? Not necessarily because, you know, for example, if you play in the CHL, Dom, you, you can't go into the HL until you're a certain age, right? So there are some guidelines and rules. Like if you have CHL eligibility right now as it stands,

you have to go back to the CHL. So because Walker was not a CHL player and because he took the path he did, he was able to do that. It's like the same thing as Radic Bonk. Radic Bonk or Patrick Steffen, who Mason mentioned, they were not CHL players. They were from other parts of the world and they could come over. and do it that way.

Okay. Brian from Indiana. Who's your state? Isaiah Thomas, Steve Alford, Scott May. Didn't they just win the national championship, too? No, that was Florida last year. No, no. Oh, in football.

Yeah, in football, absolutely. The worst football program in the U.S., all of a sudden, the national champions, amazing story. Amazing. Hello, Kyle, Dom, and Elliot. The Mush, Friedman. Huge fan.

Not that. bad bad. As a Blackhawks fan, I would like to first thank Elliot for betting on the Panthers to make the playoffs this year. They are currently projected to pick ninth overall in the draft, giving the Blackhawks potentially two top 10 picks. The question that comes up with this situation, since the Blackhawks moved up in the Bidar draft, and that was less than five years ago, can both the Blackhawks and Panthers? picks move up in the draft lottery this year if the Panthers are in the lottery too. Or would only one pick be able to move up seeing as how the Blackhawks own both of the picks? If both would count towards the Blackhawks moving up, why? And the pick is the Panthers and therefore should count towards them moving up.

Thank you in advance for the clarity. And here's to the hopes of the Blackhawks getting first and second overall. this year so the internet can have a complete meltdown. So, Brian, there's two different questions here. There's the rule of your own pick and there's the rule of the other pick. And there's also something about what winning the lottery means, right? So let's break it down. First of all, the one thing you have to remember is when they changed the draft rules a

couple years ago, the draft lottery rules a couple years ago, you can only move up a maximum 10 picks. Okay. It used to be anyone in the lottery could win the number overall pick. That has changed now. You can only go up a maximum 10 spots. So, you know, Florida right now, as it stands, as we record this pod before games on Thursday night, they are 20th in the NHL.

So in theory, the highest they could go is third. So that's one thing to keep an eye on. The Blackhawks, because they are 27th, as we do this, they could get the number one or number two pick. So that's the first thing you have to realize. Florida's pick counts as Florida's pick, even though it's owned by the Blackhawks. If the Blackhawks were to win the lottery with that pick, it wouldn't count against them from what I've been told. because it's not their pick. It is someone else's pick.

The only one that matters is your pick, how it ends up. And the other thing, too, is winning the lottery is not, like, if you're the worst team, which right now 32nd is Vancouver, if they win the lottery and end up number one overall, that isn't considered a win under the limitations. Like that doesn't count as, okay, now you can only do this a certain amount of times again, like one more time in the short period span. No. If you are 32nd and you end up with the number one overall pick, that is justice, I guess.

You end up where you're supposed to go. Winning the lottery is only considered if you end up higher than you were supposed to pick. So a teen finishing exactly where they're supposed to be, that doesn't count towards your two times in four years or whatever it is. It's only if you actually win the lottery and move up that it counts. That makes sense to you, Dom? Absolutely. Okay.

Sometimes I get in the middle of talking about stuff and I have no idea if I make any sense. You just start rambling? I just start rambling. I just think it's completely nonsensical. No, it was good. It was good. We have a couple of voicemails to get to. Let's get to this one first from Meg.

Hi, this is Meg from Denver, and I was calling with a question about something that happened in the stadium series game. So the lightning get a late power play right before overtime's over. And I was talking to my grandma, who's not done into hockey yet, trying to explain that it kind of sings because they can't get a full power play out of it. I was wondering if there's ever been any complaints or any suggestions to rectify this.

And I kind of have one of my own about it would just be funny if for the first shot of the shootout, the Tampa Bay Lightning actually got to have two guys go out at once to try and beat the goalie instead of just one. Just a silly suggestion, but I thought that I had while watching. keep up this great work, boys. Thanks. Thank you, Meg. And tell your grandmother, no complaining. There is no room for complaining.

No, just kidding. She sounds like an excellent woman. Okay, Meg, a couple of things here. Number one, Meg, no. I don't think there's ever been talk about, hey, you get extra time or anything like that. But one thing that is interesting about it, and I think the NHL should do this,

but they told me they don't want to. In international hockey, if you have a penalty and it goes into the shootout, like it's not finished by the time the shootout starts, you're not allowed to shoot. You're disqualified from shooting. So maybe you escape the power play in terms of having the full two minutes, but you lose the player. So if, you know, for example, Connor McDavid took a tripping penalty and Canada had a shootout

and it wasn't finished, he wouldn't be allowed to do it. The NHL doesn't do that. If you have a penalty and it still isn't finished, you can still go in the shootout during the regular season. I love the double IHF rule, but the league doesn't like it. As for two guys coming in at once, I've never heard that. But I'll tell you, Meg, listening to your thinking, what do you think about this, Dom?

This has just popped right into my head. What do you think about this? if you have a penalty going into the shootout that isn't finished, you lose one of your shooters. So the other team gets three, and you only get two. I like that. There should be some sort of punishment congruent with the penalty to end the game.

I don't mind it. You should have some sort of advantage going into the shootout. I really like the idea. I do. See, Meg, you and your grandmother, you have just made the NHL a little bit better. I have no idea if it'll ever happen, but instead of two shooters at once, you lose one of your shooters. So it's three versus two. That's how it should be. I like that, Elliot. I like it, too.

Let's call it. Let's call Gary. Meg and Nana solving all of the NHL's problems. All right. It wouldn't be a thought line without some. trivia. Okay. A voicemail from Sarah. Hi, this is Sarah. I'm calling from Washington, D.C., and I'm watching the Wild Predators game, and

Matt Boldie scored a hat trick in under 13 minutes into the game, and I wanted to know what was the quickest hat trick in NHL history and what took the longest happen, aka it happened last couple minutes of the game. Thanks, love the podcast. Do you have an idea? First of all, Sarah, thank you very much. The fastest hat trick in hockey history is by a gentleman by the name of Bill Mosienko. And his last name, if you ever want to Google it, is M-O-S-I-E-N-K-O.

And Bill Moseyenko, in a game in 1952, between the Chicago Blackhawks, who he played for, and the New York Rangers, he scored three goals. in 21 seconds. I do not know, Sarah, if I ever see that getting broken. And not only is that the fastest hat trick ever put together. It's the fastest three assists ever put together because his linemate, a player by him of Gus Bodner, assisted on all three goals.

There was a time when I knew this all off the top of my head. I did have to go back and double check it as I was listening to the questions because I couldn't remember the Bodner part if he got all three assists. But the other thing about that is about a minute later, Monsienko almost scored for the fourth time. So he just missed having four goals in about a minute. If you want to Google it, that's his name. Bill Moscienko was from Winnipeg.

Okay, so I need to stop you. So you are right that Mozienko has the shortest amount of time between goals for a hat trick. But I think what Sarah is asking for is what is the quickest amount of time to start a game to score three goals? Did you? So two versions of the same. question, but yes, I have the answer. Oh, okay. You know what? Well, you know why? So Sarah and Dom, I'm an English major and I don't have my degree, and now you both know why. That's nothing to do with the Western education?

You know what? Actually, I was going to say something. I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it. I'm just not going to say it. But yes, yes. It does have something to do with the Western education. Oh my God, that's funny. Okay, so do you want to know the answer? Do you want to take a guess? I can't think of it off the top of my head. I just did that whole dissertation. I got nothing left in my brain. Fair enough. So I did my own research, which, as you know, is not always the most reliable. No, it's, it's completely faultless. There's no way this can be wrong. This is if Einstein did the research, it's himself, Sarah. You know it's completely accurate. Exactly. Uh, and, Eric Cole scored three goals against the Ottawa Senators in the first five minutes and 41 seconds of a game, March 23rd, 2012. I thought that was the right answer.

But then I reached out to Steve Fallon and SportsNet stats. And the correct answer was hundreds of years before, actually almost 100 years before. Back all the way on December 26, 1918, Oh, Joe Malone. Oh, Sid De Nanny. He was another big scorer. Of the old Ottawa Scudanis.

I think, Joe Malone, because he was the big score, but Sydenani, he could score too. The scudding report on him, Dom, was very good.

Hall of Fame or two, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, you are correct. So he scored three goals in the first five minutes and 15 seconds of a game against the Toronto Arena.

Arenas. Arinas, sorry. Yes. Against the Toronto Arenas. Yes. Not arenas. Arenas. That's what I said.

Against the Toronto. against the Toronto arenas. There you go. That's better. There you go. The arenas were the precursor of the Maple Leafs. They were the arenas, the St. Patrick's, and then the Maple Leafs.

We've seen the jerseys come and go for the Toronto Maple Leafs as well. So they always look good. Did you find anything for, they do look good. Did you find anything for the latest one ever? I do actually have an answer. So according to Steve Fallen, the last time a player completed a hat trick with a second, left in regulation.

It was Leon Drysidal on April 7th, 2021 versus Ottawa, scored on an empty net goal. That is great work. Great work. I always knew the people at Sportsnet stats would come through. And I'm not surprised that it was either in overtime or that late in regulation. Dom, I knew I hired you for a reason. Give all credit to Steve. felon. None of it is more.

If you, Dom, if you don't take credit for things that you never did, you will never go anywhere in this business. Life advice from Elliot Friedman. Okay, last one, Elliot. This is from Stan. I think you'll get a kick out of this one. From Stan? Yes, it's from you

directly. Or to you directly, rather. Okay. Elliot, in the last pod, you mentioned an email from a Wings fan in Australia who was more than willing to trade his plus 45 degrees Celsius summer heat for your frigid minus 17 Celsius Toronto cold snap. And you are 100% all over that. Are you sure you are Canadian? Minus 17 Celsius is frigid? Maybe in Toronto, but as a Jets fan, I can confirm you have not truly

been cold yet. Southern Manitoba was recently the coldest. place on Earth, registering at minus 59 degrees Celsius wind chill effect, and Mr. It's Windy in Winnipeg. And I have a two and a half hour drive from Conora to get to Winnipeg to see the Jets play risking life and extremities for my favorite team. If it gets chilly there again, I suggest you wear a raccoon skin hat in order to combat those frigid conditions. otherwise keep up the great work on the pod

love listening to you guys even if Friege thinks he's a potential Australian first of all Stan I saw Scott Arneal annoyed about the amount of Canadians fans at the Jets game on Wednesday night you should be proud and they should be proud of you that you would

risk your own existence to make the two and a half hour drive from Canora to Winnipeg for that game you are a true fan and I respect it I know, by the way, Stan, you weren't the only one who called me soft. I had a number of people who made very clear how soft they thought I sounded. But I would say this, there was a time also recently where Toronto was the coldest place on earth.

So for at least a day, we felt like you did. Yes, everyone, I'm soft. I prefer the heat over the cold. Feel free to rip me for it. All right, that's all the submissions I have, Elliot. I don't know if I can even come close to reaching the heights of professional broadcaster that Kyle Bukowskis brings to the show on a daily basis, but I give it my all. You know what, Dominic, you did great.

Doing better than Kyle is like jumping over a matchbox, and you were fantastic. Well, thank you. I'm glad the bar is set so low. It's about as low as you could get. It is. And not only that, Dom, you're much more talented. Rick Dahlawal says you are. Yes.

You just made my day. I bet I did. All right, a reminder, if you'd like to submit a thought for the thought line, you can email the podcast at 32 Thoughts at sportsnet.com, or call the thought line at 1833-3-3-1-3-1-3-2, and leave us a voicemail. Coming up next, an update for you.

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The Canucks, the Canucks. Okay, just before we wrap up, I wanted to let you guys know what to expect from 32 thoughts the podcast in the next couple of weeks as the Olympic hockey tournament is ongoing. The regular schedule can be thrown out the window. Here's what we're doing. after every Canada men's hockey game starting Thursday, February 12th against the checks. Kyle and Elliott will get together after the game, after their TV duties are done, and record a 32 Thoughts Quicky podcast post-game breakdown of every game. Those podcasts will be posted later that day here in North America.

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