32 Thoughts: The Podcast - Oilers-Panthers II - The Silence of the Cats?

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

In this edition of 32 Thoughts, Kyle Bukauskas and Elliotte Friedman discuss the Edmonton Oilers clinching their second straight Western Conference Final after defeating the Dallas Stars in Game 5. They analyze Edmonton’s chances against the Florida Panthers in a repeat of last year’s Stanley Cup Final (14:37). The Final Thought focuses on the post-game exchange between Paul Maurice and Rod Brind’Amour regarding coaches joining the handshake line (24:53).Kyle and Elliotte answer your questions, comments, emails, and voicemails in the Thought Line (33:43).In the News & Notes segment, Kyle and Elliotte talk about Brad Treliving’s end-of-season media availability and Mitch Marner’s future (47:53). They discuss what’s in store for the Carolina Hurricanes (57:52). The fellas also cover the Seattle Kraken’s hiring of Lane Lambert as their next head coach (1:06:27). They delve into the remaining head coaching vacancies in Pittsburgh and Boston (1:09:14). They check in on the New York Rangers as changes are set to come for the Blueshirts (1:12:14). Finally, they talk about the PR mess the Washington Capitals had to deal with on Thursday (1:14:06).Email the podcast at [e-mail] or call the Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemail.This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates

This is strong to this, off-hit corner, and out! McDavid's gonna bring Connor McDavid scores! A silencer here for Connor McDavid! Welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast presented by the GMC Sierra AT4X, Sharmaddy, Friedman, Bukaskis back with you. You can think of all the great sequels in history. Elliot, The Dark Knight, The Godfather Part 2, The Empire Strikes Back, Terminator 2, Judgement Day, Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker Part 2, The Florida Panthers, and the Edmonton Oilers, the rematch. The Stanley Cup Final is set. We'll get to that matchup in just a little bit, but we will start with the game that etched that Cup final in stone.

Game six of the Western Conference final in Dallas on Thursday night. A year ago, it was the McWOW goal that helped ice things for Edmonton. Game six in Dallas, Chris Cuthbert pulled out the silencer late in the second period. And as Peter DeVore said post game, amongst a few other things we'll surely get to here, that was when you felt it was game over. The Oilers are headed back to another Stanley Cup final.

Excellent intro, Kyle, with one minor exception exception in the world of great sequels rocky 2 should be mentioned other than that perfect intro young Bacchus my apologies accepted let's move on Dom why don't we go here to the Dabour quote because this is the biggest thing I think we're gonna talk about so Don, why don't we go here to the Dabor quote? Because this is the biggest thing I think we're going to talk about. So Peter Dabor makes the goalie change on Jake Ottinger. Hit it. You know, the reality is, if you go back to last year's playoffs, you know, he's lost

six to seven games to Edmonton and we gave up two shots on two goals in an elimination game. So it was partly to spark our team and wake them up and partly knowing that status quo had not been working and that's a pretty big sample size. Okay. When you listen to this, Kyle, you can understand the rationale. I also respect that in a big game like this one, with your season on the line, a coach has to be ruthless. season on the line, a coach has to be ruthless. If I wasn't performing well in a big game like this, I would understand if I got benched. But, and stunning, so jarring, that it had us all slack jawed.

I don't remember a situation, anybody out there, if you've got one, you let me know, but I didn't remember, and none of us did in the moment, a situation where a goalie comes to the bench on a timeout, a deservedly called timeout You're reeling he leaves to go back to play his net and only then as he told nope Sorry, we're taking you out Kyle you ever remember seeing anything like that

I've been thinking all night. I have yet to think of one. So that's, I think, what has everybody stunned here, is not that he made the change as much as how he did it. As DeBoer says, part of it was also how badly his team was playing. That's the thing. When everybody in Dallas and their brain trust

sits down to think about this, the thing that they're gonna be most shocked about and most stunned about was how badly they looked in this game and in this series as we talked about Kyle They had bursts where they dominated the third period of game one the second period of game three the first period of game four late second period of game five But they were bursts. they weren't sustained.

For the most part, in the big moments, Brad Treeliving did this media conference in Toronto on Thursday, and he talked about in the critical moments, and how they lost the critical moments to Florida. If you wanna use the critical moment, Treeliving theory in this one, Edmonton won all the critical moments.

You're going to sit there and you're going to say if you're the Dallas Stars, we beat the Colorado Avalanche in round one, and everybody was picking the Avalanche to win the Stanley Cup. We beat them in a really hard series. Round two, we beat the wire to wire president's trophy winners in the NHL this season. And we beat them in six games. This was their third straight year in the Western Conference final. There is no even if they lost, there is no way that the Dallas stars thought they were going to lose like that. They

are in shock. They are stunned. And I think that's part of the reason the poll unfolded like that. I thought Ottinger was going to come back for the second period. I was honestly surprised that he didn't. To me, Deboors pull and Deboor, by the way, has a reputation for being really tough on goalies and The way this one unfolded isn't going to change that But to me This was a perfect illustration of the shock

That the Dallas Stars as an organization felt with how badly this series went. They never imagined if they were going to lose this series that it would look like that. And that's why I think it unfolded that way because when you saw DeBoer on the bench with the way this game started, he looked just as stunned, if not more stunned than everybody else. stunned, if not more stunned than everybody else. And I was almost as shocked with the fact when it got to the intermission and Kelly said he didn't like he understood it. Like, and he is the most staunch defender of goalies, of course, being a card carrying member of the union himself. Yeah, I so the fact that he felt that way I was like, Oh, wow. All right. And to me, it just you go back to do say how it all played out. Like

it looked like it looked like a panic decision in some way. Like if I'm on the oilers bench and you see that like Otter's going back to the goal and suddenly now there's a swap. It's like, okay, what are these guys doing? Do they even know what they're doing? It was, there's been some pretty wild things we've seen throughout these playoffs. That was one of the more stunning sequences that we've seen this spring. First of all, I'll say this about Kelly. I understand why you felt the way you did. You expected Kelly to come out wearing the goaltender Union underoos and fighting for Autinger.

I also know Kelly really well in the sense that he has very high expectations of himself. And if he performed like that in a game like that, he would expect it. He would be furious, like Ottinger undoubtedly was. He would be angry, especially as he said, he would be angry if he was asked to go back in. He said that never happened to him. But at the end of the day, Kelly is an accountable guy and he would look at a situation like that and say,

you know what, I probably deserved it. Now I don't know that Ottinger will see it the same way. That's gonna have to be, John Buchigros, who you know I'm a big fan of, he tweeted out a picture of Mario Tromble and Patrick Waugh. And I don't want to jump to conclusions. It's emotional. But, you know, I'm sure he's got pride. He's going to be humiliated by that. You know, you forget that and people saw it in social media, but you forgot until I saw it that he's got to go sit next to Ray Ferraro and hear Ray who's not known for dialing back his commentary. Sugarcoating. Ray Ferraro talk about it for the next 55 minutes.

And then we had a great shot of Debord checking out Ottinger, like he was looking at Ottinger to see, do I consider putting it back in? Like the first shot goes in on Casey DeSmith and you're reeling even more as a team. You know, this is like, I always say, never make important life decisions when you're emotional. This is gonna be an emotional night, an emotional fallout for the Dallas Stars

for all the wrong reasons. Autinger is gonna be furious. The organization's gonna be furious at how this series went. There's gonna be a lot of questions. Dallas has changed from a grinding team to more of a skill team, and a lot of that skill, Jason Robertson got hot at the end of the series.

Rupe Hintz is hurt, he's excused. I wanna say about Hintz, I couldn't believe he almost caught McDavid on that breakaway. We know he's not healthy. The effort he gave there was incredible. But there's a lot of guys you're gonna be looking at and you're gonna be saying,

we remade the team in this image so that more of these scores could be successful and it didn't work. So Dallas is going to be asking a lot of hard questions about why this went like this and you're going to have to make sure you're through your emotional phase before you really start to make the important decisions. I mean, the other big one that's gonna be quick is, is Jamie Ben. Yep, contracts up. This is your captain.

This is your standard bearer. This is a guy who has literally given his body to play for the Dallas Stars. From the time he started to get here now, his body has worn down and broken down. And you remember at the beginning of the season what Jim Neal said, as long as I'm here, he's going to be here. Well, the way this goes, and unfortunately, like how much he, he, you could really tell he was struggling to keep up. That decision is going to come come up now the stars may still want to keep him

But what's that gonna look like contract wise and things like that? It's kind of the same discussion that Toronto is having with Tavares right now It's always hardest when it's a friend like Jamie Benz getting his number retired there someday And it's always hardest when it's a franchise icon, your captain, a guy who, as I said, has literally given his body to play for you. All of a sudden, these decisions become that much more emotional and that much more charged

because of the way this season ended. All right, anything else on the Dallas side of things before we delve into the Edmonton part of the equation? You know, one guy I was thinking, I've been thinking about this guy a little bit. He's kind of forgotten because he got hurt and he didn't play in the playoffs this year. But is a guy like Tanner, you know. You know, it hasn't gone as well as everybody hopes since he got traded from Nashville to Tampa. But he was coming on at times this year in LA and then he got hurt.

And I know they felt he was a guy they really missed in the postseason. I look at a team like Dallas and say, you know, the to sign him, it's got to be fair, but it's it's not going to be ridiculous. Like, I've started to hear his name in the last few days, if, if he doesn't stay in LA about. There's going to be a lot of teams poking around him in the market. And. I'm watching Dallas nights because you know, was in my head like that's a guy. I wonder if he's going to be. On their radar too. Hmm.

As Pete DeBoer said, the Oilers this year better than who they were a year ago and for a second straight year Third straight year when you consider the Stars getting to the conference final Same result and it's back to the drawing board for the Stars in Big D D'Avore by the way has one more year left on his contract see. DeBoer, by the way, has one more year left on his contract. He's been to six of the last seven conference, Western conference finals. Dallas will have a choice there too. How do you want to proceed?

It's going to be some interesting exit meetings. And even we'll get to true living in a little bit, but talking about there's emotions going on. You need to give that time to settle. Same thing can be applied down in Dallas with how their season ended on Thursday night. So the Edmonton Oilers, Elliot, I was going back through like naturally you're already seeing the clips online, right? Of Zach Hyman in the dressing room after game seven last year. I know we're going to be back here. I know we're going to be back. Matthew Kachuck to Connor,

McDavid and the handshake line. Let's do it all again next year. I went back and saw McDavid's interview after they clinched at home last year. And he talked about it feeling like a dream. Now you're at home, the place is going off, you're caught up in all of that too, doing it on the road. But having gone through it already once before and just the mindset and the look on his face through much of this run, I think of that interview with Gene and whether it was Gene or Emily Kaplan

or at the podium afterwards, it was a much different tone from the captain and it's permeated through that entire lineup that are now going from first time accomplishment one year ago to a step towards where they ultimately want to get to in 2025. I'm so impressed with them. I'm so impressed with both Florida and Edmonton. Florida's now going to the final three straight times. That is a hard thing to do. And the Oilers, I, everybody can argue this, pick your position. Going to the finals three times in a row is really hard. I wonder if it's harder to get back there after losing in game seven the year before. Because at least Florida last year, the second of those trips, it ends in the ultimate celebration. They're taking the Stanley Cup into

the Atlantic Ocean. You know, it's all fun, right? It's all fun. For Edmonton, your last year ends in pain. And it's a short summer and it's a quick turnaround and you've gotta go through it all again. I'm so impressed with them that they got back here. I think with them 444. For third period shots in game three allowed for in game four for in game five.

Nothing to me tells me how much better they are as a group. With that what a dry side will say. If I could win a trophy individual, it would be the Selkie. What did McDavid mock? Yeah, we can play defense. Like this is a team that we all look at Florida. We all know that Florida is going to play the right way. That's what they do. Right, Kyle? Well, now we know that Edmonton will too. That's the thing, like McDavid to me, twice in this series when the others were reeling, he just drove a dagger through Dallas' hearts. Second period of game three, Dallas is out shooting them 21 to six, 18 seconds left.

He goes in and he scores, game over. As DeBoer said, this one, Dallas is starting to tilt the ice a little bit, get some pressure, close game. McDavid scores that beautiful, beautiful breakaway goal with hints on him. And I'll tell you something too, Kyle, as we were all watching, Ron, Kelly, Kevin and I,

we were like, don't go into the boards. Don't go into the boards. Like, he was going 35 kilometers an hour, okay? Like I run minus six kilometers an hour. I couldn't, don't think I could stop like that at my full speed. I was, I was really impressed with that. It runs like a moonwalk. That's right. So, but you know, McDavid, when they were like, whenever Edmonton was in trouble, McDavid did something, oh, it's okay, troubles over or dry saddle did something troubles over but McDavid in particular

I think they're they've learned so much in a year, you know, the other thing too Kyle It's interesting. I've had a lot of people in the last 24 to 48 hours say You know Edmonton they didn't have home ice advantage at all Florida didn't have home ice advantage at all. Ron pointed out that that's the first time that's ever happened that two teams without home ice advantage at all made it to the Stanley Cup final and now Edmonton will. They were saying that, you know, Florida, they knew what they needed to do. Even Edmonds, I think, made the conscious decision, you know what, we're not going to

catch Vegas. We know what we can, how to play. We'll rest. We'll rest guys up. And not everybody is going to be able to copy this because it takes a certain amount of experience to do it properly, I think. But I wonder how many teams are gonna look at this now and how these two clubs took their foot off the gas

late in the season and said, you know what, we'll just, we'll see how this goes. I think you really have to make sure you have the right group to do that, and these two are the right groups. I love the way the Oilers play. They're committed. And now everybody has a role. That was the final thing for the Oilers

to get that everybody on their team felt important. You can tell all their guys feel important right now. I love Connor Brown jumping out of the TV stand. I thought that was the video they released. I thought it was spectacular. And you know what? At home came back. At home came back.

He looked good. And two other things, the Skinners. Stuart Skinner gave up a bad goal. The worst goal. We've seen him give up in a few games and he didn't collapse. He held because we knew that was going to happen. He knew he was going to give up one he didn't like. He held.

That was important. And I'm very happy for Jeff Skinner. First career playoff goal. It's been a long, long time coming. I'm happy for him. This final, I'm happy it's moving up. That's number one. We don't need to sit here for a week and a half and not play. I think it's going to be an incredible series. We know how Florida is

going to play. I think Edmonton is much better than last year. No Hyman. I think Brown will play. We'll see about Lohrster-Einand and Greer. I mean, it's going to be an awesome. I picked Edmonton at the beginning of the season. I always stay with the team I picked at the beginning of the year until they're out. Edmonton's not out. I'm gonna pick them. What about you? We'll talk more about it in a couple of days, but I'm just telling you now, I'm gonna pick the team I picked

at the beginning of the year. Yeah, I just, I like the way that it's kind of winking at history or potentially lining up, right, of Gretzky and the Oilers losing to the Islanders their first trip to the final, rematch the next year, they beat them. Crosby and Malkin lose to Detroit in 08,

they get back in 09, it's the same opponent, they beat them. And now here, after McDavid and Dry Sight will fall a year ago to Florida, they've got a chance to knock off that same team and capture their first Stanley Cup. I still go back, Elliott, the shot of McDavid after he scored that tying goal against LA in game one, that crazy comeback that ultimately was for naught.

But he's skating to the bench and the look he is giving to each of his teammates there as he's screaming with unbelievable intensity. I still remember looking at that going, oh boy, like something feels a little different here. And then they lose that game, they lose game two and you're like, holy smokes, is this over before it begins? But 12 and 2 since then for Edmonton. And as McDavid said in the post game, like with all the emotions they lived through last

year, it can be emotionally draining. They don't feel drained at this stage. The Panthers certainly don't seem drained at this stage. It looked almost like a nuisance Wednesday night that they have to take their helmets off and put on the Eastern Conference champs. Both of those teams, very mild celebrations. That's what the Oilers said, not as emotional. Not as emotional. And that does count for something. Yes, it does. You're still thrilled for the group that you're back there and you got another chance. But it's a different feel for the Oilers.

And, and I could say the same thing for, for Florida too, in a sense, is the defending champions that they too, you could say the Oilers are better now than they were a year ago, the Panthers absolutely are as well. All right. That'll bring us to the final thought, which is brought to you by GMC and Elliott. So Wednesday night, Florida beats Carolina, clinch the series and go on to the cup final. So we're making our way onto the ice to get our spots to do our postgame interviews. And I hear John and Gary say, oh, I don't know what that was between Paul Maurice and

Rod Brindemore. And just I'm kind of behind them, but I couldn't, there's people in front of me. So I'm going, what was that? I couldn't like live. I of course, I was on the ice, but I didn't quite see it. And then after the fact, the video showed the conversation and we learned about the handshake line. And so what did you hear behind the scenes there? Well, because you soon thereafter put out,

you were pretty sure it was about Paul Maurice not believing in the coaches going into the handshake line, that it was for the players. And you can kind of read his lips there at one point, right? And Rod clearly didn't agree with it. No, didn't like it. Before Paul Maurice got to the podium, I was just, I was talking to somebody and I just said, did you see Paul and Rod, you know, what they were talking about afterwards? And he said, yeah, I said, was it about the handshake line stuff?

And they just said, yeah, I said, was it about the handshake line stuff? And they said, yeah. So, I don't know. That was a strange one to me, because I don't know where along the way here, like everyone's permitted to do what they feel they're comfortable doing in this case. But I don't know where in the last couple of weeks, you know, Paul Maurice, I would just, I would just love to know the reasoning why recently he's now decided or feels that that should only be for the players. Again, I don't have a problem with it, but I'm curious where the change of heart was and why. It's kind of like what we just talked about with DeBoer.

I understand the idea. The problem is in the execution, right? And so I guess he said that they agree. He agreed with Craig Barube before the Toronto series that the coaches would just stand at the bench and shake hands and then leave and the rest would be for the players. I will say this. I did have a couple of players say to me I will say this, I did have a couple players say to me that they didn't mind the idea of just the players in the handshake line. Because then, you know, a whole bunch of people do start coming on the end, and especially if you've lost, you're like, who is this guy? How many more times, how many more hands do I have to shake?

I just want to get the hell off the ice. So Maurice does have a point. The problem is, is that everybody starts going and finds other examples of where he's been in line. Right? So last year they showed him giving or a couple of, whenever it was last year, a couple of years ago, giving Swamen a big ops, some of the previous Tampa Bay lines, things like that. First round this year. First round this year, that's right.

And so everybody's saying like, what is this? And I think some of it is also what I will call a little bit of Maurice fatigue. Like I really like the guy. I think he's hilarious. I think he's a very good human to very good human. But he's had so much camera time the last three years and he knows how to take advantage of that. You know, people are like, okay, enough of this guy. We've seen too much of this guy already. Like, what was it you asked him before game five? You had a great question to him in the pregame.

What did you say? Oh, I asked him where he got his sense of humor from. Right, right. So, you know, people are running out of things to ask him. And, you know, it's, I honestly think this is part of the case. Like, it's a little bit of Marie's fatigue and So plus also he's successful now, right? He went to a final. He won Stanley Cup he's back in the final everybody comes at you when you're at the top

It's like I think the old the old The only guy who's really untouched by that is Crosby and even him on his way up he had people complaining about some things about him. So I think all of that and again he caught Bryndamore by surprise. If he had done what he did with Barube and say in advance let's do this then it's probably not an issue. But because he caught Brendan Moore by surprise and our cameras caught it, it's a thing. So Kyle, one thing that happens is,

I don't know if they still do it, but they used to do it. Teams would decide before a series, are we allowed to watch the other team practice. So I remember one year Montreal or maybe it was Pittsburgh. I can't remember. Montreal, New York? I think it was but it but I can't because Tarian was coaching the Canadians. Yeah, I'm Vini Tarian was coaching and then you was coach in the Rangers to 20 yes or teen conference final. Okay, so that must have been what it was because One I can't remember who was in the stands and the coach on the ice

stands and the coach on the ice saw the other coaches in the stands and started screaming at them and the coaches on the stands in the stands said I thought we agreed that we could watch each other practice and then they go I guess not and they got up and they left so you can make these deals in advance. Like, so in this game, knoblocked knoblocked did the lineup, but the board didn't. The handshake line. Yes. Right. So that's more.

Yes. And that's okay. Like, if one coach is going, I think that's for the players, you can leave it. And if the other coach goes goes I'd like to shake The opposition hand and say great series. Good luck the rest of the way or great season good battle like I think both things can coexist and I don't think one should be viewed as disrespectful or attention-seeking

Over the other well, obviously Brynner more didn't like it No, he did not. Yeah, so that's why it became a thing you know, I told this story the other day on on the Marchese and futa show but Maurice now he's he's on such a roll Like was saying how good the leaves are and how good the hurricanes are so my dad when I was a kid we went to a camera, it was a baby village mall and he got sold a set of encyclopedias by an encyclopedia salesman, Columbia Encyclopedia. They were very good. They helped me get through high

school. But my mother was so mad at him. She's like, what? You just did what? And he goes, you know, I thought Elliot could really use them. And my mom was like, I can't believe you just bought a set of encyclopedias at a mall from a salesman. And I'm thinking like, Paul Maurice, he's like that salesman.

He could sell my dad encyclopedias in 1979 at baby village wall It's like Joey the episode of friends where the Encyclopedia salesman comes to his door, but he can only afford one volume. So he buys like the letter V. Yes So Kyle following up that story if anyone's looking for a good book, then know it all. A.J. Jacobs writes a book about reading the Encyclopedia Britannica from A to Z. It's really funny. Wow. Okay. You brought up the 2014 conference final between Montreal and New York, and it

sparked another story I had heard about that series that speaks to the tension that there was between those two teams and So I guess the story goes, you know Glenn Sather of course likes to have an unlit stogie in his mouth watching from the press box and I guess he's up there before one of the games in Montreal and I guess he's up there before one of the games in Montreal and one of the arena security came up to him and said, Mr. Saylor, I'm sorry to tell you, but you cannot have that cigar in your mouth in this building. It's considered a fire hazard. There's a fire marshal on site here and it's against the rules of the arena.

They're saying you cannot have one here. I'm sorry to tell you that. And I guess Saither said to him, well, send the fire marshal on up here then. I think that about settled that. It's good to be able to not care. Yes, that's right. Okay, that was a final thought brought to you by GMC. We'll take our first break, come back with the Thought Line and some other news from

around the league. You're listening to 32 Thoughts, the podcast. Okay, welcome back. Time now for the Thoughtline. Elliot, I understand before we begin, you have some reading for us. Yes, so I got an email from Dave Isaac, who used to cover the Philadelphia Flyers. Great guy. I really miss seeing him around. He sent a note. He said, Elliot, back when I was covering the Flyers and Danny Breyer was playing, I recall one time when a bunch of us were waiting for him to take off his equipment, post-practice for

an interview. He had recently returned from an injury and was still fighting through it. Someone reported that it was a rib injury, and as you well know, all it takes is one report and other outlets included in their coverage too, so the story spread widely. Anyway, as he's taking off his shoulder pads before anyone could ask a question, he said, I guess I should thank you. For the last week and a half, everyone has been hitting me in the ribs, and that's not where I'm hurt. We all cracked up,

but I never forgot that, a reminder that these elite players are ruthless and will do anything to get an upper hand. That was part of our debate about Bouchard and hints and players targeting injuries. Great story, Dave. Always great to hear from you. Excellent. Awesome. Great way to start. Okay. Elliot, recently you asked for this and no surprise our listeners delivered the worst things Kyle has ever done. Excellent.

Jay from Kitchener, Jaywalking. Oh, and once he went swimming only 10 minutes after having something to eat. Tisks. Justin from Newfoundland. Hey Kelly Dom. I would guess the worst thing Kyle has ever done occurred at the tender age of nine years old when he didn't rewind his VHS rental before returning it to Blockbuster. He blatantly ignored the sticker. Did you have a go-to rental? Like, was there a movie that you would go and rent time and time again at Blockbuster back when that was something you did? There were some great movies, but you know which one we

really loved at that age? Commando, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh, nice. That is a great movie. Do you remember? I said I'd kill you lost. I lied. That's a good Schwar. Do you remember I said I'd kill you last? I lied. That's a good Schwarzenegger phrase.

I don't know you had that in you. It's been better. So mine or D2 the Mighty Ducks or strangely, one of the lesser known Charlie Brown cartoons, Race for Your Life, Charlie Brown. Really? Dined out on that movie. Yeah, it was fun. Okay, and last one quickly on this, a voicemail, Nate from Edmonton. Hey guys, whatever your mess of a

nickname ends up being, hello to that nickname for the group of you. Nate from Edmonton here. I'm sure you're going to get a million submissions on Kyle's worst criminal activity and since the examples that were given were mostly litter-based, I just wanted to say that I am willing to bet $11 billion that at some point in his life, Kyle has been eating soft-s serve ice cream in a hot environment and spilled said ice cream, whether it has melted or not, onto the concrete and not cleaned it up. And I am also willing to bet that that as a littering crime and a crime against ice cream, still haunts him to this day. Keep up the good work. Talk to you later. day. Keep up the good work. Talk to you later. I had to learn to adjust for the humidity once I moved out east. Melts a lot faster out here than on Vancouver Island. I'll tell you that much for

each. I love the suggestions. Thank you people. These are undoubtedly all true and all of them together do not equal one misdemeanor for squeaky clean bucascus. All right. Some real questions. Mitch from Bridgewater, Nova Scotia. Hello, Kyle Elliott and most importantly, Dom. I think Dom wrote this in. Yes, seriously.

Okay, Mitch. I have a question regarding the illegal equipment penalty Brent Burns took in the third period of game two of the Eastern conference final. Yes. When he was caught playing with a broken stick, what other examples of illegal equipment fractions could be called other than try to play with a broken stick? Those ones are fairly common, of course, but could trying to skate with a broken skate blade or playing with a broken helmet be called for illegal equipment?

Perhaps the illegal curve that Marty McSorley tried to play with in the 93 Cup final. Have there been other instances of an illegal equipment penalty called other than a broken stick? Love the pod, PS, go L lumberjacks and go riptide. Nice. So one of the more famous ones that I remember this because as a kid I used when I played my house back in my house league hockey days I used to have an old pair of ratty gloves that I loved

and they made me get new ones or at least sew them. And that was when I found out that Carl Brewer, the tremendous defenseman from the Toronto Maple Leafs who won several Stanley Cups with them in the 60s, was known for cutting the palms out of his gloves so he could grab on and hold to opponents. And that was a rule change. So that is the kind of, I mean, I don't think it would ever happen anymore. But that is the kind of thing you could get a penalty for in theory, is if you were playing with a hole in your glove and you grab someone. Yes, rule 12.2. If it's the palms been removed or cut out for that very reason to have your bare palm exposed to do things such as that. And other, you know, there's rules there just about

other equipment, headgear, all the other equipment that's got to be to a certain standard or a certain size if those aren't followed then penalties can be awarded I remember when I was growing up we're playing a team from Powell River and the goalie got caught, he had four pucks taped to his shoulders, either side of his shoulders to make his, to take away that space in between in theory, the glove where it would be positioned and his mask. And he got caught. Was the goalie Trevor Kidd?

No, it wasn't. Well, he was famous for that. Well, not for that, but for loose equipment or, you know, Trevor Kidd was the poster boy for... Right. He was a genius. And I say that with grudging respect. He was the genius at modifying equipment to make it harder to score. Very good.

Okay, Lena from- By the way, another one, there are rules now about the helmet. If it gets knocked off, you have to go to the bench. Right. If you don't try to immediately put it back on. Right. Or there is no, there are exceptions.

Like if the play is right in front of you, you can make a play. But other than that, you either have to go to the bench or put it back on. Lena from Eau Claire, Wisconsin, Hey 32 Crew, just got home from seeing my Minnesota Frost win the second ever Walter Cup in an OT thriller. It will be a jewel in my vault of prized hockey memories. This, of course, was the fourth game of four to go to overtime in this series. So I have two questions about Stanley Cup history inspired by this nail biter.

First, has any Stanley Cup final series gone to overtime in every game like this year's Walter Cup? Second, with one of the Frost and Charge games going to three over times, there were seven periods of OT played in this series. What Stanley Cup final had the most OT periods played throughout the entire series? Looking forward to the Winnesota 3-peat and for the the wings to finally make the playoffs next year Well the one with the most overtime periods Call off the top. I have no idea if it's the right answer

but off the top of my head I think of 2000 devil stars Wow Because am I right? Yes, there's five series. Yeah! That qualify for the most and that is one of them. How many overtime periods? Five, that's the most in a cup final.

I actually thought it was more than five. Now, since it's five Does Buffalo Dallas the year before is that another one it is not? Okay, cuz they had obviously the Brett Hall one and I think Jason Woolley scored an overtime winner earlier in that series, too But the Dallas I remember Dallas, New Jersey had two really long Overtimes including the one by Arnett that won it all. How are any other ones recent? Yes, so that is, that one is one of three in the 21st century and then the other two

are a long time ago. Let's do Sudden Death Hill, was it that one? I think it's 1938 or 1939 hill. Was it that one? I think it's 1938 or 1939. No, not that one. One is from the thirties, but not that year. Okay. So I want to find things that are more recent. I'm trying to remember.

They're actually back to back years. The two recent ones. Really? Okay. Kings Rangers. Really? Okay. Um... King's Rangers? Nice, yes. 2014? Yeah, cause my hint was gonna be Jazz Hands. Ha ha ha ha!

And now I'm trying to remember which... I guess... Was it Chicago, Boston the year before? I gotta remember which, I guess, was it Chicago, Boston the year before, 13? Yes it was. Nice. Okay, give me the old ones.

I've been guessing long enough. Yeah, 1931, Canadians and Blackhawks. Ugh, never were there. 1951, Canadians and Maple Leafs and that. Oh, you know what, Bill Borilko I you know that one I should have thought of and that was also the only Stanley Cup final where every game went to overtime great question Lena you know what as as a proud Canadian and 50 mission cap I should have gotten that one Bill Borilkoko. All good. All right. So we have one more thing here to wrap up with, Elliot. Do you remember

a couple episodes ago we had some fun with the anonymous voicemail? Yes. Yes, I do. All right. Well, take a listen to this. What exactly is it that makes him so high maintenance? What does he do? And are you trying to tell me that you are not high maintenance, Elliot? Farewell for now, gentlemen. The thing about this is, even though it's using the anonymous voice, I can 1000% tell that's Amber. Like that is the best thing about this.

That he's trying to disguise it and you're trying to disguise it, but I know his cadence and I know that's him. That is awesome. Here's the thing. If it is, I honestly don't know that. Are you serious? I honestly have no idea. That's the thing. If it is, I honestly don't know that. Are you serious? I honestly have no idea. That's totally him.

All right, all right. Cause I was going, but he famously doesn't listen to this podcast. Someone must've tipped him off. That's right. He says, he says, I listened to you enough. I don't listen to the podcast I will say this we all in television have our moments

but I would think I'm Slightly less high maintenance than most others can tell me if I'm wrong Yeah, and I what I appreciate about Dave is he enjoys a good breakfast. Yes, he does. And honestly, Amber, despite being high maintenance, he's a great guy. Very good. All right. Great way to wrap. 18333113232 to leave a voicemail or you can email us at 32thoughtsat Sportsnet.ca. Thank you to Griffin Porter for putting together the latest batch of submissions. One final break and some other news to get to from around the league.

32 Thoughts, the podcast continues after this. Welcome back. Time to touch on some other news from around the league. Elliot, on Thursday, Brad Treleving held his end of season availability. General manager of the Maple Leafs. First time we heard from him since their season came to an end, since Brendan Shanahan no longer part of the organization. The headline quote out of it likely was, there's some DNA that has to change in our team. And everyone wondering, well, what does that mean?

Is that someone from the core no longer being there? Is that a mindset shift for those that are going to continue to be with the Maple Leafs? What did you take from that and what he all had to say because there was quite a lot there Thursday? Yeah, he was careful not to pour gasoline on the fire. And that's smart. There's enough going on here already. I thought that there was a line that he had about not necessarily giving contracts or offering contracts to Marner and Tavares. I think what he was trying to say was more along the lines of I'm not going to discuss this publicly. And I don't feel that I don't think it's smart or helpful to anybody involved to

discuss this publicly the one line that actually stood out to me the most and everything he said was The line about part of this is Mitch Marner's own decision and I think that was his way of saying, and it's true, we can't lock him in a room and make him sign an extension. You know, Mitch Marner has earned the right to make his decisions. And so far this year, Marner had decided he wasn't gonna sign or wasn't gonna talk contract with them in any real depth, and he also wasn't going to accept the trade to Carolina.

And again, that's all within his right, but I think it's Tree Living's way of saying this isn't only up to us. And one of the reasons the DNA of the team might change is because of decisions that they don't have control over, such as can them and Tavares reach a deal that both sides are happy with? And does what does Marner think about his future? But he said it in such a calm, non-incendiary way because he just didn't want to create any more of a firestorm than there already is. I do agree with you on one thing, Kyle. They will be different.

There's no question about that. They just lost an assistant coach and we'll get to that in a few minutes. I do think they're going to contemplate buyouts at the bottom of the forward lineup. And I think they're going to investigate everything they can to make their forward group better. It's hard to see that if Marner does leave, but you have to be prepared for the possibility and you can't just say, oh, woe is me. We've lost this great player here. What are we going to do? You have to figure out a plan.

One of the things, there's a lot of rumors about Marner in Vegas. I think there's going to be a lot of teams in on this. I do believe on some level last year that the Maple Leafs and Vegas talked about a trade and this was last summer at some point. I think Vegas was interested in Marner. I think Toronto talked to them. Nobody has ever confirmed it. And I think there were two reasons it never even got close. And number one was that I think Toronto was interested in Shea Theodore.

And as the Golden Knights proved, they were not interested in trading him. They wanted to keep him. As I heard, they told people, you want to watch Shea Theodore, you're going to watch him. You can buy a ticket to watch him play for us. And they followed through on their word. And the second thing is, I just think there was no guarantee that Marner at that time was going to be agreeing to anything. So while I do think the two teams talked about it

and Vegas had some interest, I don't think it was ever, ever realistic because of those two reasons. Boy. And, I mean, he also made quite clear what he thinks of a player like Matthew Knives. And so for, of all the decisions he has to make, I mean, that's one where it's different from Marner and Tavares where they have a say in the matter too. I understand Nyes does to some degree, but different stage of his career in terms of what he can command as a restricted free agent and how much

leverage the player has. So, do you forecast bridge type deal just with the uncertainty and where the salary cap is headed or how do you think TriLiving and the team approach that one? Well, as we talked about in one of our recent pods, I do believe that I take Matthew Nizes as his word. I think he wants to be a Maple Leaf and obviously the Maple Leafs want him. As I told you, I believe everybody here is well aware of the offer sheet possibilities, or threat of them. I think that the Maple Leafs would like to avoid

even the possibility of this being a question. And I think Nye is willing. Like I said, I take him at his word. I think he wants to be a leaf You got to get there and You know if you take a look so Tyson Forster signed a two-year deal with Philly on Thursday for three point seven five million AAV and There's a lot of interesting reporting going around about Marco Rossi.

Now I think in time, the deal that Matt Coronado signed, it's a great deal for Coronado. He's going to make $35 million, seven times six and a half. But I think the flames are going to say, boy boy are we lucky we locked that one in early. Because I still believe there are a lot of players here and a lot of teams here and a lot of agents here trying to figure out where we're going. And they said to me, don't be surprised if you see a bunch of players sign bridge deals

because they're gonna bet on this isn't gonna just be a three year thing with the cap, it's gonna keep going and going and going. And so, I have no doubt, like Forrester scored 25 goals last year, he looks like he's gonna be a good piece of the Flyers, I have no doubt that the Flyers wanted to sign him for longer. I can see that being

one deal where team and player and agent couldn't figure out enough into the future. So Marco Rossi, there's a lot of reporting going on about him right now. I didn't see who reported, but someone told me that Rossi had asked for a boldies deal, which is seven times seven, and the wild weren't going to do it. I believe that the basis of that is true. As someone was saying to me though, like, if you believe Marco Rossi is going to be a top two center, then seven times seven is not going to look like a very bad deal in the future.

So I think it's going to, like, I think all of these teams and all of these players and agents are navigating the new world. And I think the teams recognize it's best to lock in, but there definitely are players out there and agents out there thinking it might not be best to lock in. So that's a long way of me saying, I think NIS would be happy doing eight years.

I think the Leafs would be happy doing eight years. I think everybody here is sitting here is wondering, are they going to be able to agree on what an eight year deal would look like? Right. It's kind of like when, you know, the housing market in certain moments in time, where it can be such influx and you're seeing homes going for this much and then over here and you need a market correction. And feels like now with the cap taken big jumps, everyone's kind of figuring out where the median is kind of going to be here for everybody going forward. It's fascinating. It really is. You know, here's one of the things like back when we first reported Kyle that these jumps were possible to happen

The players Association was preparing the agents for it. So the agents were starting to do their research now Batman took a little bit of a different report approach and Denied all of this was happening because he hadn't really talked to the teams about it yet. So like the teams Weren't as prepared for it Like they are now they started to do their work. But the definitely the agents had a head start and saying this is coming. And the teams were playing from behind. Like they didn't see it coming like the agents did. So that's another way that everybody's trying to figure out where this is all going. Okay, the Carolina Hurricanes, Elliot,

they fall in five games to the Panthers, not a sweep. They fall in five games, boy, they look good coming out of the shoot in game number five. Felt like there was a really good chance things were headed back to South Florida for a game number six. Naturally, there are the questions about similar story with this team, they get to the final four, and when it comes time to unseat a really good opponent, they just haven't found a way to do that yet. Now, there's a few ways you could look at this. And it was interesting listening to Rod Bridenmore in the presser postgame

where I mean, among the questions he was asked, one of it was about the hurricanes style of play. We've got the clip for you here. Let's play it. Do you think at all it requires some level of change in terms of the way you guys play throughout an entire season and into the playoffs? Like what? What would you, what do you recommend? I just mean style of play.

I'm not making recommendations. How do you think they play? They're the standard now. And I see out, in, four check, hard, wait for your chance, try to capitalize. I mean, it's hard hockey. If anything, we got to figure out how to get that much to our game, but that's the standard right there.

And I mean, I feel like that's been our game for a long time. They've kind of picked it up the last couple years and made it that much better. So that's what we got to get. First of all, Eric Engels always complains he doesn't make this podcast. Congratulations, Eric. You made the podcast. Oh, boy.

I thought that was really interesting because there's a certain segment of Lee fans now that when ever another team loses, they say, oh, you have to change everything like the least do. I always get a smile out of those comments because I love the passion of the people. The Maple Leafs tried to change the way they played all year this year to be more like what Bryndamore just described. And no matter how you feel about Carolina right now, or you feel about Dallas right now,

those teams have won a lot more playoff series. So Bryndamore, I admired Bryndamore's passionate defense of his team and the way they play. I do think there is some change they're going to have to make and it's not so much the style they make but maybe their roster. Tom Dundon, the owner there has always wanted to get a superstar. He's said it publicly. He's made it very clear.

He wants a superstar and they went out and they got ranting in this year. He's he's said it publicly. He's made it very clear. He wants a superstar. And they went out and they got ranting in this year. And. It didn't work out. And they pivoted and they got Stankovic, who is a really good player and a really good player for them for a long time, who fits what they do. He's not a superstar, but he's a really good player and a really good player for them for a long time who fits what they do He's not a superstar, but he's a really good player Obviously they wanted Mitch Marner they tried to trade for him they Toronto asked him to wave to go to Carolina and

I'm curious to see if they're a factor at all in this in the off season. I think most people expect them to try. You know, the one of the reasons it didn't work out with Rantanen is that he wasn't a fit for the way Carolina likes to play. And that is one way that I could see Carolina talking about way that I could I could see Carolina talking about how do we do this because if you look at the way Rantin played in the playoffs before he ran out of steam he was leading the playoffs and scoring and he single handedly basically put Dallas past Colorado so that's one of the things I wonder can there be like Marner he had a hundred points this year in a Borough based system but he likes his creativity he deserves his creativity although he showed a willingness to bend to a different system right but do the Hurricanes and Bryndamore have to say

hey if we want to bring a superstar here we can't have happen with Rantan But do the Hurricanes and Bryndamore have to say, hey, if we want to bring a superstar here, we can't have happen with Rantanen where it was just, he wasn't a match for what we do. You have to bend a little bit. The other thing I wondered with Carolina is, like they do have some guys who have massive physical presence.

Stahl, Martnock, and some of their guys do play bigger than their size. But size does matter. And I wonder if they're just going to have to add some more beef. Because the difference between Carolina and Florida, Florida's stars were better than Carolina's stars. Florida was deeper and Florida was bigger, physical. You know as the series went on Carolina started to be a bit more physical, but it was too late Like in the first period of game five there was a scrum in front of the Carolina net where two Panthers were knocked to the ice I don't think we'd seen that all Series, but they showed they could do it. I just wonder if they're a bit more

physically stronger if they are better at it got a lot of cap room yeah a lot of creativity a lot of assets Dundans MO is to chase the superstar and I just wonder if they say we have to put a bit more stock in physical size. Well yeah because if Bryndamore's saying Florida's the standard you're right they both do play similarly in the pace of their game how they like to take away all the room on the ice, but the Panthers do it at a more punishing level than the Hurricanes. You mentioned the depth, like just look at the two lineups. It's two completely different ballgames. So that played a huge role into it too. And I just think, you know, as you say, it was too late. Like I don't think Carolina was quite ready for it out of the gate. I remember

sitting there after the first period of game two, where they came, it was three, nothing Florida right away. And I was like, did that period just cost Carolina the series, knowing how difficult it is to claw back against that Panther team and they just couldn't dig in early enough to make that any longer of a series. And also too like you know when things were going sideways for them and everything's being called into question and the whole idea well is Britton Moore really the right guy for this team going forward? Does that need to be reevaluated? I mean, he, he called out his best guys after game three. Yes.

In a pretty blunt way. And what happened in game four? They all battled their butts off Like if that's a dressing room that's suddenly going I don't know if What that guy's saying really resonating anymore? I'm not sure we see that in game four So I think that told you everything you need to know about what that group still thinks of their head coach as they're going into What'll be what? You're seven you your eight now with him behind the bench? There is no team that's person that their personality would change more with a different head coach than Rod Brendamore. Some teams are led by their veterans, some teams are led by their coach, but no team's

personality would change more than Carol's with a different guy behind the bench. And I think they are aware of that, very much aware of that. How much their DNA would change if Brenda Moore's not there. Sometimes you have to decide it's time, but I agree with you. The way they responded to him, it says to's it's not time there yet. Okay, the Seattle Kraken have their new head coach Elliot Lane Lambert is the guy you were saying recently that he had interviewed there very well. Jason Botterill the new general manager in town there led a rather extensive search as they

said to find their guy. What do you think about the news that Lambert is the man behind the bench in Seattle? Personally, I'm a big fan of Lambert. I hope he does well. I think smart people learn from their first experiences and are serious about it. What worked, what didn't, what I'm gonna bring back, what I'm not gonna do again. I think Lambert is a smart person and I think he will learn properly for it. With 2020 hindsight, that Islander team he took over, he took over for a legend and Barry Trotz and now we know that that team was beginning to age out and the identity of the group was going to change.

And that's, did he do a perfect job? No. But he, we know now that that Islander team he took over, it was headed for some trouble. Here's the thing about Seattle. Not everybody's gonna agree with me saying this, but that first round went over Colorado a couple years ago, might have actually been the worst thing for the organization. Fans will hate that. They'll look at it and they'll say, we loved it. We want more of it. And yes, I get it. If I was a fan, I'd say the same thing. But the Kraken were not ready to sustain that success. You never want to go backwards. And as a result, they made

some decisions that create a chaotic year. And they got what they want to get rid of the chaos and be more stable. Lambert is stable. That will help. I think the thing now with Seattle, too, is they finally built up assets, young players who are coming, multiple draft picks. It'll be interesting to see, do they think any of their young guys are ready to be more effective players for them? Or do they simply say, where they're coming, but we have more of them, we can afford to take more shots at some trades to help us?

That to me is the bigger question for Seattle. They went hard at free agency last year, Stevenson and Montor. Montor was a great player for them, and Stevenson did a lot of the heavy lifting for guys like Shane Wright. I think those two moves still, I think have a chance to work out very well for them.

To me, that's a bigger question in some ways than the coach, because it determines their on ice future but Lambert will be calm, he'll be stable and that's what they need behind their bench. All right so naturally the question dovetails to the other coaching vacancies around the league and I guess we should start by pointing out that Matthew Darsh, the new general manager for the Islanders, said that Patrick Waa is staying on as head coach on Long Island. And what about Pittsburgh? What about Boston?

So Boston this week, they had in there. Mitch Love was there this week. Jay Leach, who was in Boston, had a formal interview this week. I believe Marco Sturm is there today, Friday. I'm under the impression that Joe Sacco, as of us recording this late Thursday night, is not out of the picture. And I still think Jay Woodcroft is in the midst of this too. So I know there were a lot of different reports this week and some of them might turn out to be true. They were just early.

It was clear this week the Bruins were still in the middle of their process and they were bringing people in to interview. So I have a feeling we might know this weekend and early next week at the latest. So Pittsburgh, I believe DJ Smith was just in there. Mitch Love was in there. I think Woodcroft was there too. Someone else I heard who interviewed there was Dan Muse, the former assistant to the New York Rangers who was on Pierre Lavillette's staff last year. Obviously there's still David Quinn around.

But from the beginning, I felt that that was, Mitch Love was in the lead horse. I did have some people who said to me like don't underestimate DJ Smith on this That you know Kyle Dubas knows DJ Smith. That's number one and number two when you look at Ottawa's young players a lot of them started under Smith. And I think that while obviously now there's a different coach there and Travis green Pittsburgh is going to be developing a lot of young players.

And I expect that Smith will talk to Dubas about how he develops some of those guys for Ottawa. So that's gonna be a pitch that Dubas will at least listen to. Again, I've, I felt from the beginning that love was the likely guy here, but I had people say, don't underestimate Smith. And again again I would

suspect that we're probably gonna know this weekend next week at the latest all right getting close to the end here last pod we talked about Keandre Miller and what the future may look like there what else are the Rangers pondering here as they make their way into the early parts of the off season? Well, someone just said to me that, you know, you made your point about Miller, which is true. But, you know, the one thing you should add is that the Rangers are considering an awful lot of things. Like after the season they had last year, there are very few things that are off the table. So Chris Jury's got a lot out there and he basically wants to know if you want to talk to

them about something, just reach out because he's got to know everything that's on the table for him. So I felt I would add that. I also wanted to mention, you know, the reports are out now that Jonathan Taves is going to do his comeback next year. I would love to see it be in Winnipeg. There's something romantic about that. And also Adam Lowry could miss the beginning of next season after the Jets announced after surgery, hip surgery. But you had an idea a couple of pods ago.

I do wonder if Anaheim takes a shot at this. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, both do, right? Winnipeg and then Anaheim with the Quenville connection and with where that franchise is at. I'd love to see the Jets too. And I just love that he's serious about this. I know he told Mark Lazarus a little while back that it's not about proving anything, but there's just something left in the

tank. It always is about proving something. Something left in the tank for Taves, which is great. So that'll be a fun one to watch too. How about the fire that the Capitals had to put out on Thursday? Oh my God. So this is a reminder to anybody out there. If you put anything on a piece of paper or send it in an email or a text or whatever, you should know that the moment you press send on that, you lose control of where it goes. So anything that you write on your phone or on your computer,

the moment you send it to somebody else, you should be sending it with the expectation of, this could end up all over the internet. And that was a perfect example so The report initially was the capital sent a note out to their season ticket holders saying that next year Will be Alexander of Etchkins last year in the NHL and that story was Partially true there was no note sent out to

true. There was no note sent out to all of the season ticket holders. It was one account manager sending it out to a client and basically writing on the bottom, here's why you should, here's your list, here's why you should re-op or renew and added in at the bottom like an add-in was watch Alexander Ovechkin's last season in the NHL. Now I think everybody suspects that to be the case but I would also believe that when or if this is actually confirmed the Capitals will make a bigger announcement about it than a season ticket renewal thing. So it's a soft launch. Yeah, it's a soft launch. It's pretty funny. I like the way you think about that.

So someone was saying to me, would you fire this person? I said not necessarily. I, you know, if it's a good young employee, you know, I might just say, here's a lesson to you. But again, I think everybody expects you'll play next year in North America and then go to Moscow Dynamo in the in Russia for a year or two or ever much longer he wants to play. But this is a lesson for everyone.

Anything you text. Could end up all over the Internet. Yes, there are always hard lessons to be learned on that front. Some of Dom's texts in the middle of these pods, they better not end up all over the internet Dom. Hey, I've got dirt on you too. That's true, that's a good point. That's right. If the shift goes down, We're all on it.

We are all on it. Okay. Lastly, Jonathan Marsh is so Elliott, you brought his name up in the aftermath of Toronto getting knocked out a couple of weeks ago, just as a thought at that point, but could you see a situation where he's traded from Nashville this summer? I think there's an indication that he'd be willing to consider it. However, I think the list of teams is really small. You know, I think there's to me the fact that this has even been discussed. It says to me that Nashville realizes that coming back with the same roster in

terms of construction with all those right hand shots, it doesn't make sense. I think there's also a little bit of some of the things that Marcia so has said about how blunt and honesty is haven't gone over very well. But the bigger thing to me is as a roster construction issue. Now he has control over this. And one of the things somebody brought up to me and this was a team is that he's gone from a no-tax state to a no-tax state and this is

the biggest deal of Marcia So's career and you know one of the things they've kind of heard is that if you know if he's going to be traded it might not be to somewhere where it's going to take a bite out of the bottom line there. And this team told me they understood that, in Marcia's case in particular. So I think that's going to be one of the hurdles. It's got to be somewhere he wants to go, somewhere where he thinks he can win. And also, you know, the not overly affecting of the contract he signed and a team and there's got to be a trade that's be willing to be made here. So I don't think it's a very long list. But if you bring him something that intrigues him, he will consider it. All right, Elliott.

So with both conference finals ending in five games, Game 1 of the Stanley Cup final moved up three days early, June day before game one out in Edmonton. Try to put together some interviews there and do a proper Stanley Cup final preview. And then podcasts post each game of the Stanley Cup final is the schedule going forward for each. Does that all sound right to you or am I missing anything? I don't think so. It sounds right to me. All right. So a bit of a breather before our next hockey game, one of the Stanley Cup final in the middle of the next week. Have a great weekend, everybody. Thank you for taking some time out of your day

to listen to us. And we will talk to you again on Monday.