32 Thoughts: The Podcast - Put Gene in the Hall

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

In this edition of 32 Thoughts, Kyle and Elliotte begin this episode by focusing on the Bruins-Leafs game on Saturday. Specifically, Brad Marchand's next contract with the Boston Bruins. Then the guys talk about Connor Bedard's frustrations with the Chicago Blackhawks' slow start, while having a larger discussion about rebuilds in the NHL (9:30). Afterwards, Kyle and Elliotte talk about the Canadiens potentially looking to bolster their lineup, and they discuss whether Cole Caufield can crack Team USA this winter (30:34). The fellas also delve into a tough couple Ls for the Ottawa Senators and speculate on the future of Claude Giroux (35:55). Then, the guys talk about Gene Principe's impressive German showing on Sunday during the Oilers 3-2 OT win over the Red Wings (48:30). Elliotte highlights the Buffalo Sabres' three game winning streak (50:38) and Jack Hughes' bounce back effort against Anaheim on Sunday night (51:00). Kyle and Elliotte delve into the public exchange between Patrick Roy and Lou Lamoriello on Long Island (51:30) and the Final Thought focuses on Arshdeep Bains' first NHL goal in his hometown with the Vancouver Canucks (56:15). Kyle and Elliotte answer your questions in the Thought Line (1:00:55). The guys wrap up the podcast focusing on the Sarah Fillier being reportedly close to signing with the New York Sirens (1:16:30). Email the podcast at [e-mail] or call the Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemailThis podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.  

Who runs more? Because you're a big runner. Who runs more? You or McKenzie? He's done like Ironmans. I can't touch any of that. So him by a mile. I have to say this. I would love to see you, McKenzie, and San Luis run those stairs and see how long anyone would last. Who tails off? Yeah. Someone sent me, after i retweeted it because i thought it was so good someone sent me a question on x like could you do that and i and my response and i'll say it here is no i'm in much better shape but i'm not a runner i would go up and down

that a few times i would actually last going slow i I think, but eventually I would sound like I smoked six packs of cigarettes. Like I just wouldn't, I wouldn't last that long. Welcome, welcome, welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast presented by the GMC Sierra AT4X. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm Kyle Bukoskis. He's Elliot Friedman. He's Dom Schramatti. And to quote one more line from John Oliver, it has been a busy week, Elliot. How are you holding up? I'm good. How are you holding up? How was Boston? The weather was phenomenal. I love going into Boston, especially when good conditions out. As you know, it is such an active city when you see people out walking, running along the river.

It's just a wonderful scene throughout there, getting to walk around different parts of downtown, the North end, all of it. And I love doing games in that building too. We talked a lot about on the last episode of the tensions that seem to be building around that matchup, the Bruins and the tensions that seem to be building around that matchup the Bruins and the Maple Leafs on Saturday night Elliot we got a whole whack to get to here on this edition but why don't we start there so the Bruins beat Toronto 4-3 in overtime the Leafs

make a late comeback there beautiful play between Tavares Marner and Austin Matthews to tie the game with just over a minute remaining in regulations Brad Marchand gets his first of the year in overtime to seal it coming about what 45 minutes or so after you had gone on Saturday headlines with Ron McLean and reported that the Bruins and Marchand are getting somewhat close to a deal. You said three years was what you were hearing then. Marchand was asked about it after the game. He actually had a good line about you, saying that you've been talking about him a few times over the last week.

He likes talking about me this week, too. Yeah, I mean, I mentioned this before. I'm not big about talking about contract stuff in the media. I'm not going to do it, but I mean, that report from LA is false. So where do things stand? Kyle, he's the source. There's no better source on this one than Marchand, since he's the guy who's actually going to sign the contract.

So if he says at this point in time that I am wrong or the story is false, is the phrase he used, then I just have to eat it because he knows where things stand. I'll say this. I don't believe talks have broken off between the Bruins and Marchand. I don't think this is a situation where they've stopped discussing it or they're no longer moving forward and attempts to sign an extension so I'm not concerned about that and what someone said to me on Sunday morning was

if you're going to be wrong on this one he thinks I'm going to be wrong on term there's a possibility he thinks that the Bruins would prefer two years instead of three and you know and we'll see where we go here but long term i i think this is going to get done and we'll see what the term is however at this moment in time um you know you have to go with what marshan says because he's the source and someone also asked me this morning if you know i was bothered by anything marshan said and the answer is no I mean we talk about people and sometimes they're going to react and respond to what we say so fair is fair that's life in the big city and we talk about others sometimes they're going to talk about us so no issues here and we'll see how this plays out I I still think there is at least one other chapter to be written in this story. Okay, Marchand, 36 years old, will be 37 next May.

So we had him for our post-game interview last night after he scored the winner in overtime. And a little bit of insider baseball about how that sort of scene typically will work post-game because it's overtime. You know, we have all of our cameras at that time, of course, dedicated to shooting the game. And so when things happen like a post-game interview

or if we do an intermission interview, one of those handheld cameras that's usually positioned somewhere at ice level has to break from their position, come into the back hallway where we're set up to do the interview. Well, because it's overtime, you want to have as many camera angles up and running as possible. So when something like an OT winner does happen, you've got as many looks as you can. So it's not until after the game ends will the director in the truck say, OK, camera seven, off to the hallway now for the post-game interview.

Some teams like to have everybody go into the room first. The coach come in and does their little pregame speech. The team hands out their player of the game award. Most teams have that now. And then the player will come out for the interview. Not the Bruins. They like to get the interview done right away. So even though, and Marchand ended up being the first star,

so it took even a little bit more time as he went out to do his twirl uh as the first star that night he comes into the hallway and we're standing there and still no camera yet we're still waiting for the handheld camera to show up oh I've been there and it's no one's fault but it seems like one minute seems like four hours i've been there i've been there for that there is no worse feeling no worse feeling than knowing you're making your interview guest wait and i just wanted to say that the captain of the boston bruins could not have been more patient and understanding through it all you know what k? Good on him because I remember other players and I don't often blame them because it does seem like forever.

I've seen other players not be so patient. Like they've just competed as much as they can. They want to get their skates off. They want to clean up. It's that can seem like forever so you know good on them very good on them yes and you don't fault the people that want to just get it over with either not saying that at all but yeah no his line at one point i said to him i'm just i'm sorry for making you wait and he's going hey you've got to wait too and i was like

look it's part of my job to wait it's not not part of yours. So we appreciate him and the Bruins for their patience after the win there on Saturday night. Can I tell you a quick story about my situation like that? Please do. 2011, the year the Bruins won the Stanley Cup. You'll remember game seven, first round. I was the ringside reporter of that series against Montreal. And game seven went to overtime and so basically for people like for people who don't know this if you're gonna get a game 7 in overtime

where you have to interview somebody you want a building like Boston's because the dressing rooms are right next to each other like one of the biggest challenges is Montreal because the dressing rooms are right next to each other. Like one of the biggest challenges is Montreal because the building the two dressing rooms are opposite sides so you either have to stand in the middle or you can't see the game or you have to pick a side and hope you're right. But Boston they're right next to each other and I remember the two PR staffs, they said, look, whoever scores the winning goal, you're going down that hallway to talk to the player. So if Boston scored, we were going down the Boston hallway. If Montreal scored, we were going down the Montreal hallway. And it was the same thing you talked about. Nathan Horton scored. Then they asked, can you do the interview in the hallway?

And I was like, no problem. I actually did go out to the bench first, and Claude Julien, I remember Jeff Ward, Bob Essence, I think Doug Huda was the other assistant coach. They knew if they lost that game, they were done, and they weren't even celebrating. They were so relieved, but the same thing happened because it was overtime they wanted all the camera angles which you totally understand so Nathan Horton had

to wait for like four minutes and I was like sorry and he said he said something along the lines of tonight I will wait forever like it was it was the greatest goal he ever scored he had the biggest smile on his face. He did not care about waiting on that night. But I know exactly what you're talking about. That's great. Yeah, if there's any solace, it's that typically you're interviewing someone who is in a tremendous mood, which can kind of help cushion the wait time.

So, yeah, I just had to have a chuckle with how that all played out on Saturday night. Freedj, not much to laugh about in Chicago right now. So they lose to Dallas 4-2 on Saturday. They've lost four in a row, 2-6-1 on the year out of the gate. And Conor Bedard wasn't exactly hiding his frustration at where the team is at to open the season. No, we're not just going to be happy his frustration at where the team is at to open the season? No.

We're not just going to be happy that we stayed in a game. We're all NHL players. That's not the goal, you know. It's frustrating. We're, what, two and seven? So it's pretty bad. And losing is not fun. So obviously you've got to figure it out.

So, Elliot, what do you think when you heard the blackhawks young star say that so first of all i think it's normal it's it's normal for someone to be frustrated so i don't want to overreact to that i i wouldn't expect like first of all i think very highly of bed. I think he is wired the right way I think that he expects as much from himself as he does from anyone else Which is the way it should be if you're gonna be a great player. You should expect a lot there in my Experience dealing with him. There's nothing I don't like about him Do you have you heard that I used to cover the NBA Kyle

the which sorry oh the NBA yes yes I do remember so the first year of the Raptors 95 96 Damon Stoudemire was their number one draft pick and for those of you who are not familiar the Raptors in their first year won 21 games and they lost 61 and at the time I don't know if it still is but at the time it was the second most successful expansion franchise in NBA history only one expansion team had won more than 21 games I think that team won 30 so everybody knows aside from the NHL when when they really changed it, when Vegas came in, expansion teams are supposed to be terrible. So I remember that year, Damon Stoudemire was the number one pick,

and he was the rookie of the year that year. But there was one point in the season where he was miserable after a loss. And he looked at us and he said, I have never lost this many games in a year and he's like it sucks okay and i went back and looked it up kyle and he played four years of college at arizona in those four years how many games do you think he lost oh i don't know 23 combined higher oh yeah 30 lower 26 lower 25 yes congratulations i just feel like i was playing with my son we play the guessing game all the time so in four years at arizona by the way i was playing with my son we play the guessing game all the time

so in four years at arizona by the way i gotta tell you my 13 year old usually gets there faster kyle just so you know um sounds like you during the thought line that's right so so four years of college he lost 25 games and that first year he lost 61 and for those of you who remember Stoudemire and the Raptors you know in his third season when Isaiah Thomas left and the team was really going poorly I think they lost 66 games that year he asked for a trade and I'm not saying that's gonna happen here but I always remember that it was it that was my first year covering a beat in 1995-96, and it was just a real introduction. I loved everything about it.

I learned so much covering those players. And so the thing about Bedard is it's not completely the same in hockey. In minor hockey, you change every two years. You move up to another level. We're starting to see more stack teams now um you know in junior he only played a couple of seasons yeah he only played a couple of seasons and the one thing that people should remember about bedard i think it's important to bring this up now is to his junior team in regina he was incredibly loyal you know the team wasn't great, and there was a movement,

we talked about it on this pod, about trading him to a better WHL team so he could have a better chance at a playoff run. And he was like, nope, I'm staying in Regina, I'm loyal to Regina. And remember that year, they lost to Saskatoon, and the Blades were a great team that year. They lost in seven games and he had 20 points. So I think it's important to remember how loyal Bedard is. I think though when you go to the NHL the difference is is that you know you look at it and you say this is going

to be your team for a while. When you're drafted into an NHL team, you don't become an unrestricted free agent for seven years after your contract starts. So you go to the NHL, you go to a team, in this case Chicago, and you're like, this is my team for a while. Like this is who I'm going to be with. So when it starts like last year, you know what it's going to be like. But you heard what he said to us in Vegas at the media tour. I just want to be playing meaningful games at the end of the season. Well, you know, he's looking at it and there's like he doesn't want to hear more about moral victories. Like he wants to see improvement.

He wants to see improvement. And this league, it is hard. And this league, it is hard. Like there is not a league in sports of the major team sports where one player kind of has less of an impact than the NHL. I mean, you can argue maybe goaltender is different. But generally, even like none of the best players play less than they do in hockey. You know, the best forward plays 25 minutes. You know, the best goalie, well, they play every game in the playoffs, but they take 25 to 30 games off in the regular season where they rest.

The best defenseman probably plays close to 30 minutes. So, like, you have to have great players and a few of them, but you have to have depth. And, you know, that's why I was actually having this conversation with someone yesterday, Kyle. That is why in the NHL, like, their rebuild can be a really scary thing. Like, we were texting as you were flying home today, and we were talking about this.

Like we were texting as you were flying home today and we were talking about this. And, you know, you take a look at how many teams really rebuilt and stayed successful. You know, Chicago did when they won the three cups. I think you would say Tampa Bay did and they're still pretty good. You know, Colorado has a good core drafted. Dallas looks like they've got staying power,

and they drafted a lot of those guys. But a lot, like how many teams have we talked about the great talent that they've acquired in the draft, and they still can't make the playoffs? Or how many teams accumulated great talent in the playoffs, and Edmonton busted through for the first time last year? Toronto, with their young core that they drafted very high they've got one playoff round win like I think Winnipeg makes a really a lot of smart hockey decisions they don't have a ton of playoff success they did get to the semifinals in 2018 LA look likeA., they did very well, obviously, winning two cups.

But look, a couple years ago, everybody was talking about them as having the number one prospect group in hockey. Then they started going outside and finding players because they weren't sure what they had there. I think Carolina is a very consistent team that's done pretty well. And they consistently win playoff rounds they haven't busted through but I think you'd say that they generally do a good job but you look at San Jose right now and you know Ryan Rosovsky like he talked about he used the word embarrassing to

describe their start you look at Anaheim last year last they tried for Marcius, so they took some big swings. They've got really young players, but it's a long process. So I think that, and you know, Chicago last year, they took a pretty big run at Jake Gensel. And, you know, when I first mentioned the possibility of it, Kyle Davidson kind of rolled his eyes at it. And, you know, that's totally fine. No problem. of rolled his eyes at it and you know that's that's totally fine no problem but i think he knew

that you know there's the there's the stop there's sort of like the guys you signed to shorter term and then there's the guys you throw the big term at because you're like that guy can be a great player for us for a long time and ultimately he goes to genzel and the people i was talking about this with this weekend said that the most honest question you have to ask yourself if you're rebuilding is are you a destination like Tampa Bay is a destination Dallas I believe has become a destination you know Vegas that's one of the things like you know what one of the guys said to me he said a few years ago he didn't have to compete with Vegas well now Vegas has made itself a destination so there's another team

you're competing with Florida was a sleeping giant and they're not a sleeping giant anymore they've you know theola's and and Bill Zito have turned that team into a destination so, you know, like I Look at I listen to Bedard and I understand his frustration I don't think there's any reason to panic there at this point in time. It's it's it's way too early for that But like if you're internal in Chicago like you're seeing that like you know okay we know how much this guy cares we know that he wants to win and you have to ask yourself like

what's our timeline here we don't want to be stupid but you know how long do we really have and what what one guy said to me was you have to be honest with yourself about whether or not you're a destination because if you are it's a lot easier people will flock to you but if you're not then boy then then you you take another it's another step. Like, okay, if people aren't going to flock to us, how are we going to do it? Because maybe you'll draft well, like the Blackhawks did 15 years ago, which led them to a Stanley Cup or three of them,

but maybe you won't or it won't work or the chemistry isn't there. Something's lacking. Like in some of these other teams that had multiple picks and either took a really long time to get there or they haven't gotten there yet. It was just interesting that Bedard said that this weekend. And again, I don't want to overreact to it, but I think it really hit home with some conversations this week I was having about who can rebuild and who can't and who can like the risks of

rebuilding you might hit it big but there's all you look around at a bunch of teams that looked like they were gonna hit it big and didn't come close. And when you're the person that's signing the checks, that's the bet you're making. So I think what Chicago, look, Chicago last year, they took the shot at Gensel. Unfortunately, they didn't get them. They hit a bunch of singles, right? They tried for some singles and doubles. But that's the thing I'm looking at if I'm Chicago. You know that Bedard wants to win. So what's the next time I'm stepping up

to hit the upper deck home run? Maybe you get another top pick in the draft and that works out great for you. But sooner or later, like you look at the Rangers, they were rebuilding and Panarin fell in their lap and all of a sudden rebuild over so you're hoping that somebody comes to you and says i want to go with you because that as much as anything else will determine how successful you are well one of the tricks too is for teams as you say are you a

destination i imagine one of the fears is being caught in that mushy middle year after year right it's the whole idea of are you selling wins or are you selling hope because hope you can sell or are you selling hope? Because hope you can sell for a brief while before that wears thin. The other thing too that I thought of when listening to Bedard over the weekend was how many different places have we seen even over the last 10 years?

I mean, you mentioned Edmonton finally now coming out of it with their run last spring. But through all the years of losing and how that becomes just a part of your dna that even as players mature they get better you're better surrounded that habit of losing can be really really tough to break through in cases i mean mean, I live- You know what, Kyle? I think that's the best point you've made since you started the podcast. Like it only took us two months. It's taken what, seven weeks?

Yeah, it only took us two months. No, I like, when we went to Prague, like listening, like the guy who really stood out to me, I really enjoyed talking to him, was Zetterlund from San jose and he talked about how miserable it was going to the rink last year and then him and ecklund talked about and um like they would hang out and and zetterlund apparently is is a pretty good cook uh but um they would hang out and they'd say how do we we make this positive? And they said, the way we make it

positive is that we practice hard and we say, everything that we do here is going to be about turning things around for the better. And someday we're going to look back and we're going to say all this practice work we did was going to be about, all right, we're going to look back and we're going to laugh at this and say, this is the reason we turned it around. Well, now, you know, look at the way San Jose started the season. Like we aren't even in November yet. I completely agree with you.

Like that is one, and nobody finds losing acceptable. Nobody does, Kyle, but it becomes a fact of your life I I I think you are totally totally right about this and like you look at teams like San Jose was a team they tried to extend their window Calgary tried to extend their window and now Calgary accepted it and said we're going to try some other things here we're going to give some chances to younger players um but you know like i mean detroit wanted to keep that playoff streak going for as long as they could and it eventually it caught up to them too um so there's there's traps and there's pitfalls all over the place. You know, one guy said to me, one owner said to me, it's in the NHL, it's easy to say tear it down when it's not your money.

Because the risks are certainly there. And the other thing someone said to me, and I think this is really good, is that there's a lot of GMs out there that they know if they tear it down when it's good or you're going to reap the rewards, you're not the person who's going to enjoy them because you're going to eat the losses. And if it works, it could be somebody else who is in charge. Think of how many teams got good after the person who kind of took them through the bottom was gone. And maybe they made good decisions and maybe they made bad decisions and deserved to be let go. But look at it.

How many teams finally got successful on a second GM or a third GM of the rebuild? Now, I would like to think, Kyle, that if I was in charge, I would say, look, I'm going to do the best for the organization, whether or not it's good for me. But that's easy to say here while I'm co-hosting a podcast. I freely admit I'm far from a good person. I would like to think I would do that, but it's easy. It's easy to say from here, easy to say from here. Yes. And I just think, I mean, as much as we hear all the time that it's a copycat league, sometimes, sometimes you know when we have discussions like this i'm like there's so much nuance and difference from market to market at the same time too a hundred percent so like i think everybody in chicago understands what bedard's saying and i

think it's too early to panic bed Bedard wants out. He's leaving. No, no, no. Oh, no, no, no. That's not what we're talking about here. But you don't think that the Blackhawks know that that guy wants to win sooner as opposed to later? He's a competitor. Totally. Totally is.

Oh, sorry, Kyle. One more thing I wanted to say. This was another thing that came up from my conversations about this what one person said to me is that there's a lot of people watching how St. Louis does this year that's interesting yes so it's a tough division um it was interesting hearing those players talk about the guys they got. Like the veterans who've been there for a while, they really liked the summer they had. They like Broberg a lot.

They really think Broberg's a really good player. And they like Holloway. And one of the players pointed out you add Bucinavich to that too. Taxier? Taxier. And can I just say quick,iot something yeah yeah yeah well remember because well because we sat down with philip broberg last week and one of the conversations we had there uh when the team was in town was that the idea that doug armstrong was really

trying to target those types of players in their early 20s that they project as long-term options at the NHL level, players that are three, four, five years removed from when they were drafted as opposed to doing it through the draft. Now, that situation was so unique last summer that they had two players they were able to nab via an offer sheet. That opportunity is not going to be there for teams every single summer but to your point how they went about things in the off season it was like can we take the concept that's been out there for years and years and years and try to skip the first couple of steps don't you think yes a thousand percent and in your right and so they they got and Texier by the way Braden Shen said that kid can really shoot the puck so they got Broberg Holloway Bucinavich and Texier and Bucinavich obviously was not last summer was before

for a second another second a third a fourth and Samuel Blais. That's what they had to do to get those four players and the Blues are right in the mix and you know like if this works for them there's a few people over the years more than one person I've seen it several places I've heard it several places who said that the real sweet spot for the offer sheets is where st. Louis did it like not first-round picks like just below that where you don't have to spend a first rounder but teams are vulnerable because they're so close to the cap now there's a hope and an expectation the caps gonna go up big

next year we'll see right now it's supposed to go to 92.5 we'll see but you know if that works and it works for St. Louis I'm wondering if more people try it it's exactly what you said it's that sweet spot of player not ELC not UFA right in the middle right in the middle. Right in the middle. And unfortunately for the Blues, they came up short in Montreal on Saturday night, but that was a massive win for the Canadians, Elliot, ending their four-game slide. They followed that up with a win in Philly on Sunday. A bit of a white-knuckle finish to that one,

but Cole Caulfield scores again. He's up to eight goals on the year. We'll get to him in a moment, but you also said during saturday headlines on hockey night over the weekend frege that canadians one of the teams that are looking around the league for some potential help to bolster their lineup anything to add there well it's been reported in a couple of places that they are looking for another right shot d a top four right d like who isn't everybody is looking for a top four right D. Like who isn't? Everybody is looking

for a top four right D. There aren't enough of those to go around. But they're also looking for a forward too. And they're looking for a forward with some edge. Eric Engels wrote an interesting column this week just about the Canadians aren't really hard to play against. And I do think they would like to address that up front with a good four checker, especially if they can. The one thing, though, that they've made pretty clear is they have a plan, especially for their young players. They've got a lot of them, and they don't want to block any of them. Now, if something fantastic drops on their laps,

they won't be able to say no to it. However, if it's not something like that, the player they add is going to be compatible with what they're going to do in the future and who's going to get an opportunity in the future. And so I think that's something that they're going to look at and they might have to subtract a player out to bring a player in. I think that's the other issue that they've got here.

You know, one of the players, actually, I was thinking about defense, a right-hand shot, who I think is a pretty capable NHLer who's not playing right now, is Matt Benning in San Jose. And I thought he might be good for someone like Utah or someone like Montreal, but the problem is he's got one more year.

And I think both Utah and the Canadians they have a preference of somebody who doesn't have term and you know that's that's going to be the challenge here I think a guy like Benning could easily find a home if he doesn't have that year remaining but that's the kind of thing that Montreal is looking at they don't want to impede any of the young players who they're thinking of adding this year or maybe next year. That's very important to them. Now, Caulfield, do you think he makes Team USA, Kyle?

Well, I would have thought coming into this season, at the very least, he was on the radar. And now the momentum seems to be picking up with how he started but as we talked about a little while ago that's going to be a deep team the americans come february not going to be an easy roster to crack no they have a great to me the u.s is on paper top to bottom they're the team to beat to, they're the best team on paper. And as great as Caulfield looks, and he looks great, aren't you calling him the new Dreisaitl?

I agree with you. I think there's, I think there's going to be a challenge. Not that he doesn't deserve to be on it, but I think it's going to be a challenge to get there because there's so many great forwards. I was looking at this a little bit here too, Elliot. So not that we need to go too deep into who's making the team or not, but like, is Patrick Kane an automatic for you for Team USA? Slam dunk on the roster? No, I don't think he's a slam dunk, but

I kind of had him penciled in as a swing forward there, a guy who could run your power play, score you a big goal. Like it used to be the 13th forward was also always this depth checker. Now I think the 13th forward is someone who scores you a big goal or makes you a big offensive play at the right time. And Kane to me is, if he's not higher in the lineup, he's that guy to me. Like last year, my 13th forward for Canada was Conor Bedard. Now I think he's higher than that.

Right. And there's just been a number of American players that have got off to really good starts here. I mean, Gensel's off to a pretty good beginning in Tampa. Kyle Conner's tearing it up. Brott Besser's doing good things, like Clayton Keller in Utah. And then Cole Caulfield's certainly right in that mix, too.

But there's only so many spots. It's an interesting one. I'm glad you brought this up, Elliot, because I think, as I say, he was in the conversation coming into this year and now with how he started. Yeah. And now he's busting down the door, but they've got another month. Right. So he's got to keep it up. Like he's one of those guys to me that he doesn't have because he's just new. It's nothing against his talent. Just because he's new and he's younger he can't let up

he has to keep going like I think there's some players like if Brady Kachuk was to go 10 games without scoring I don't think he's losing his spot but I think there are some other guys if they go 10 games without scoring they could lose their spot, you mentioned Brady Kachuk. Should we talk about Ottawa for a little bit here? After a couple of losses? Yeah. Tough third periods. Both of those games, like if you're Ottawa,

you're really disappointed that you didn't get a point in each of those games. Like you think out of those two games, you're going to get out of there with two points, a split in some way, and you don't get anything. And on one level, it goes to what we were talking before about coming back after a rebuild. Like Colorado, as injured as they are

and as many different pieces as they have they're because of their attitude and the way they're driven by guys like McKinnon and Makar they they never give up they always come at you Vegas on Friday night because of who they are in their pedigree they They always come after you. They never give up. And I think when you're building like Ottawa is, those are the painful lessons you learn, that the great teams steal games in the third period.

And that to me is like Ottawa is just like they're learning and they're growing and they're trying to get there but it's like great teams and experienced teams they always seem to find the way late in games like that and that's one of those things you have to learn you have to learn to close out those games um auto was like uh like more secret than the nuclear codes right now they're not saying what's going on with their injuries they're not saying who's starting in goal that was one of the wildest things i've ever seen before what was happening with forsberg and all mark and the skate plate and like all mark made a hell of a save there.

You come in after sitting for an hour and a half, and you have to make a save in the second period. I remember there was a playoff game. I always remember this because I remember watching as a kid, Toronto, Minnesota in the playoffs in like 1983 or something like that. Mike Palmatier was Toronto's goalie, and something happened to a piece of his equipment, and Rick

St. Croix, who was a really good, capable backup, came in and he faced one shot. I think he played for 16 seconds. He faced one shot and Minnesota scored and Minnesota won that playoff game by one goal. And so it would have been easy for Allmark to give that up, but he battled. So it would have been easy for Allmark to give that up, but he battled. But to me, that is just the difference of established team, Vegas, Colorado, and team building. I'll say this, though, about the Sanders. Twice they came back in this game.

They made it really interesting late. I am going to Claude Giroux your right now and I am saying can we sign you we want to lock you up now ultimately is your Roo can say yeah you know maybe I want to go chase the cop I don't know I'm just throwing stuff out there they just had another child maybe he wants to stay there because their family got bigger I don't know what the answer is but I'm saying if I'm the Senators watching this guy play and he doesn't give up at the end of games he still got that serious look I am talking to him about extending him if it's up to me and I was running the Senators he wouldn't be going anywhere

i would be keeping him you got to win games and he sets the right tone i'm with you there you live up there yeah i remember like when he got traded to florida and when they got into the playoffs and they got swept by Tampa in the second round, and you just didn't notice him really as much through that. And you kind of wondered where things were going to go from there. He signs in Ottawa that summer. And, man, turn the clock back in some ways. And he's talked about how, you know, maybe he's not the quickest guy but he's still finding ways to to get there you know actually I remember do you think he wants to stay do you think he wants to stay

yes yes I do but I guess it's all got to make sense you see how obviously you mentioned the family connection yeah but gosh, the guy wants to win too. You had to have thought with where things were at when he signed on the dotted line. When was that? 2022, July 2022? Yep. That somewhere in these three years,

you thought, well, we're going to get into the playoffs, one of them, and we'll see from there yes i think i think that's this season unfolds it's going to tell you a lot about where i think he ultimately wants to to go from this point you know what would really help i think for him to stay there is if you stop stealing his car oh gosh you're gonna bring that up and throw me well i've had i have had i used to drive an suv i don't anymore but i used to drive an suv and we had it stolen out of our driveway twice and the first time twice twice and the first time was during the 2013 Stanley Cup final between Boston and Chicago. And my wife called me frantically at the hotel.

I can't remember if I was in Boston or Chicago at the time. And she said, she called me and she's like, your car is not in the driveway. And I'm like, what? And she said, your car is not in the driveway it's gone and I was like you're kidding and like there's not much I can do like I'm at the Stanley Cup final like what so and then and they found it they found it in a shipping container and then I think about a year or two later it got stolen again. And again, they found it, they found it again in a warehouse.

And it was crazy. It was absolutely crazy. And after that, I decided to go because we have a garage that's big enough to want to park one car, but not a second. So I decided to go with sedans after that. We parked my wife's car in the garage. So we, we go with, so I decided to go with sedans after that. But when we moved to our new house, Kyle, we have security cameras now and twice we've

been knocked on our door from neighbors. And they said, we had suv stolen from our driveways does your camera see what happened and in both cases the answer was yes it saw them both and one of my neighbors actually heard it happening and wanted to confront the uh people in the car and his wife told him not to do it, and the police told him, you're a good thing you listened to your wife because you do not want that confrontation.

So all of this to say, Kyle, I know you're the ringleader. Stop stealing Giroux's car. No, no, no. You know what this does sound like, though? What? This sounds like a case for a friedman bukaskas law firm b&e law firm yeah that disclaimer was pretty good the other day dom that was well

done anyway getting back to it if i'm ottawa i'm going to jeru if he wants to go that's one thing but i would be taking the initiative he's too important you need him yes you do okay matt coronado and the flames so coronado was sent down a couple days ago he played only 10 21 versus carolina the other night and was sent down to the American League his agent had some subtle but not so subtle way of sharing other people's posts on X that were basically speaking out in favor of why Coronado was not being used more in Calgary he removed those reposts since then but what's your read on everything going on there right now well first of all understanding that Coronado wants to be in the NHL I think we all understand that the there were a

couple of things here the one thing that concerned me about it when it was brought to my attention, and you mentioned the agent took them down, the thing that concerned me is that I know the Flames have lost two games in a row, but generally this has been a very positive start for them. And as frustrated as you might be as a prospect, and as frustrated as you might be about as a prospect and as frustrated as you might be as an agent you can't do this stuff when the team is winning and You know if the team is losing

That's one thing but the team is winning. So I'm sure that that's one of the reasons it got taken down The second thing is I remember this happened a couple years ago with Huberto. And the veteran players on the team were mad about it. They were saying, look, things aren't going very well here. We've got people picking at us from outside. We can't have any self-inflicted damage. And there was a team meeting about it and they were mad and so I worry for Coronado that they're the veterans will look at this and say wait a second we're

doing well and this is what's coming out it's not gonna go over very well and it's gonna going to go over very well and it's going to have to be settled now Coronado may be right maybe he does deserve to play you know you can people can have their arguments about whether or not he's right to feel this way or not and again I understand everybody wants to be in the NHL but you can't do it when the team is doing well. I've had constantly players tell me that over the years. You know when teammates are unhappy. You know when things are going well. You can't, when things are going great or good enough for the team, if you've got a problem, you've got to handle it internally and bide your time.

And that's the thing I was concerned about here for Coronado is that things have generally been going well for the Flames who are doing whatever they can to build some positive momentum you know he's probably going to have to deal with an unhappy organization and maybe some unhappy teammates if they're aware of this so that's the concern I have for it I just think the timing as frustrated as you are I think the timing was bad disagree with me at all on that one no I don't I just wondered the fact that he had shared these other people's posts kind of making the case for why Coronado should be playing and should be up and play more at the NHL level, and then he removed them. Is that suggesting that when he did it to begin with, did he not have his client's consent? I just, right, because you always say when things like this have happened in the past,

that typically these things don't happen without the player or client's approval I just wonder if that was the case here it's a good question like you know Al Walsh is a guy who in the past he's done things like this but he always makes sure the clients know right always and the clients have told me that like they said like you know like he wouldn't do it without us i don't know if that's the case here i don't i haven't spoken uh to anyone here but i just know in the past the players would always say there's no way he'd do that without our permission and he was very careful about that always was all right so meantime calgary's provincial rival the edmonton oilers picked up a overtime winner in Detroit

on Sunday. Leon Dreisaitl, two goals, including the winner, on his 29th birthday, no less. Our colleague Gene Principe pulled out all the stops, or stopped, before the game and after, in the interview with Dreisaitl

post-game. We got a cupcake for each point. Thank you. That's good. Zum Goberstag. Yeah, close enough. Pretty good. Danke.

Yeah, thank you. What was more impressive to you, the singing pre-game fridge from Gene or the presentation and happy birthday in German to Leon after the fact? I think that Gene should go into the Hall of Fame for this performance. He's had so many. I don't think, but this was the best one.

I don't think sideline reporters or ringside reporters are actually eligible for the Hall of Fame, which is a whole separate conversation too. I believe it's only play-by-play people and analysts that can go into the Hall of Fame and the broadcaster's wing, which I completely disagree with. I think that hosts should go in. I think that studio people should go in. I think that sideline reporters or ringside reporters should go in. I think there are some producers that absolutely should go in.

I think it should be wider than that uh behind the scenes there are some great producers out there now i apparently someone told me dry sidle did not eat the cupcakes that is focus that is focus there is like you're talking to a guy who crushed four halloween chocolate bars tonight those cupcakes with me would not have had a chance and leon dry sidle is like nope in season no cupcakes and i think they were the same ones that gene used off the top of the broadcast so probably no wonder he didn't eat them then they were probably disgusting yes as i said i think he made the right choice uh but that was okay i take it back it's not that impressive um a couple other things i just wanted to uh mention uh buffalo i wanted

to highlight them you know we all kick buffalo when they're down three wins in a row um import like a really big time and you know the pagula showed up for a game last week on the road. I think that shows you how big things were. Good week for Buffalo. And I wanted to shout out podcast listener Jack Hughes. You know, he had a tough week, that game against Detroit. And then he took a big hit from Romanov. And, you know, you knew he'd bounce back back that guy's got a lot of pride a lot

of pride and what does he do they're losing one nothing to Anaheim on Sunday night and he scores so it was a it was not an easy week for Hughes but he started their comeback against the Ducks and that's what good players do you knock them down they get back up and speaking of the islanders did you catch patrick waugh at the after the game on saturday night against florida well that and also lou lamorello before the game saturday against florida was very interesting about here well what did you what do you what are you saying what are you saying so lou lamorello saying that he and patrick because he he spoke because there's a whole bunch of transactions that the islanders had kind of What are you saying? What are you saying? So Lou Lamorello saying that he and Patrick, because he spoke because there was a whole bunch of transactions that the Islanders had kind of gone through,

and it was just best to put the general manager in front of the microphone and talk about it all, right? That was why he was speaking to the media there locally. And at one point he said, hey, look, you know, myself and Patrick, we are on the exact same page on anything that transpires. We talk every single day about things. And then post-game, as you were alluding to, Patrick Waugh was asked about Pierre Engvall,

who was way before the start of the year and then called back up, played Saturday against Florida. And Waugh's line was, Lou thought it was a good moment for him to be back in the lineup. Didn't really seem like or sound like they were totally on the same page with that one okay the number one thing I always think here is that why thinks first in French so I always give some of the benefit of the doubt like it's not like he hasn't spoken English for a long time but I always give that the benefit of the doubt like it's not like he hasn't spoken English for a long time but I always give that the benefit of the doubt number two I do think for the most part um Waugh and Lamorello get along

very well number three it was after a really bad loss like that was a bad loss I I I was working Saturday night obviously it was three nothing Islanders the next thing I did I looked up and I was like holy smokes like what happened here they got blown out of the building they lost six to three and you know I'll tell you a funny story about what at the 2001 Stanley Cup final after one of the games Colorado had lost they eventually came back to win the cup and beat Jersey but after one of the games Colorado lost and Wah was walking down the hallway with someone else and that other person said to Wah after the last time this happened

you said we cannot afford to lose a game like that again well it happened again why and was stopped and he shot this person a look and I was in the hallway doing live hits I was at the score at the time and I don't know if you've ever seen Raiders of the Lost Ark it's an old movie Kyle it happened before you were born but there's a scene at the end of the movie where they tell you do not look into the ark and the people who look into it they melt I basically melted I withered after I saw that look from Patrick Waugh I'll never never forget it. That was like everybody knows what Waugh was like after losses. That was a moment when I saw face to face his pure unbridled

hatred at losing and being questioned about it. I have always remembered that. Anyway, so he's hot after that loss and so when I saw the quotes and I kind of watched it a bit later, I said okay that's weird. You rarely hear that kind of disagreement publicly where Lou Lamarillo was involved and I said everybody is entitled to a one-off let's see where it goes from here so I'm not ready to make a big deal out of this yet as opposed to a guy who absolutely cannot stand to lose had to talk to everybody right after a loss like that and he was steaming and let's just see where it goes from here okay we won't make a big deal out of it yet either but i will just mention that engvall played 10 37 that game only matt martin played less for the islanders yes yes i and played less for the Islanders.

Yes, yes. I mean, look, like he's not happy. He is mad. But, you know, some people were saying, is this a rift between Waugh and Lamorello? I'm not willing to go that far. And you were melting at the look of Waugh back in 2001. You can only imagine being a bystander if those two really did have a rift.

Oh, my God. They should sell that as a pay-per-view. The Islanders would lead the league in revenues. Dom, get on it. Secure the rights. Okay, that will take us, though, to our final thought presented by GMC. We'll move just a little bit further west. And what a cool moment on Saturday night for Archdeep Baines of the Vancouver Canucks, a local product.

Vancouver was the team that he grew up cheering for. An incredible journey, not a guarantee by any stretch to reach the National Hockey League, let alone score a goal. His first career goal in his home building. Such a neat moment with his parents, the photo afterwards with the stick and the puck that he scored. He got the hockey night treatment with the towel, an interview with Scott Oak postgame. And just listening to that interview, I mean, you could tell he certainly, he had not come back down to earth yet, understandably, just with all that was going through his mind, surely, and just a real special night for him, his family, and the community there in the BC Lower Mainland.

What did you think watching all that in the Hockey Night in Canada nightcap? The only thing I didn't like about the interview is I and I know why it didn't happen but Scott Oak was up high that's one that's better as you know when you're right next to beans right not on the headset it's always tougher and Scott has to be up there to do the after-hours with Ray Ferraro and Tyler Myers which by the way it was great it's it's less personable, unfortunately, with Baines in that situation. You know, I think the thing that really stood out for me, first of all, the smile. It reminded me of Kirkland from Calgary, like just the huge smile on their faces when your dream comes true.

And, you know, obviously Kirkland had a long road to get there. And the story has been told that Baines was a guy who just didn't, wasn't getting drafted, which obviously increases or decreases your chances of making it this far. The, the ovation, I thought the Vancouver fans really delivered. That was, that was a great ovation. It was great that it was a hockey night in Punjabi game so that we were able to play the call, which was a great ovation um it was great that it was a hockey night in punjabi game so that we were able to play the call which was a great call i have no idea what was being said but you could

tell the passion and the excitement and um you know i i got a note and i just wanted to read it from bupinder singh hundal who used to work on that Hockey Night in Canada Punjabi broadcast. And now Bhupinder works for Global. He's the station manager for Global BC, Global Okanagan. And he also does news on CKNW. And he just sent a DM to me just saying, like, how much it meant that, you know, the was in punjabi and that those of us on hockey night including ron and kelly and kevin obviously were able to talk about it and show the

way he enters onto the ice and the goal and like the the punjabi community they are huge Canucks fans. Like that is one of the staunchest Canuck fan bases that exists anywhere. And that's a victory for them in addition to the entire team. And like those are the nights that are special. There were other guys who scored their first NHL goals. Conor Geeky scored his first NHL goal. Mackie Samuskavich scored his first NHL goal. Like that was an absolute beauty. Those are moments that you never forget.

But for Hockey Night in Canada and the community in Vancouver, the Punjabi community, that was huge. That's a moment they will never forget. It's nice that some members of the community thought it was great that we were celebrating it just as much because hockey is a great game and you want everyone to love it. Yeah, that was hockey night. I thought simply whether it was in English or in Punjabi, that was a quintessential hockey night moment. So congrats to Archdeep Baines, the family and everyone that was cheering him on there on Saturday night.

Really neat. Baines, the family and everyone that was cheering him on there on Saturday night. Really neat. And shout out Daniel Sprong, too, for like a guy who was out of the lineup, got benched and made an incredibly high IQ as a pass off the pad to set up that goal. That was the final thought presented by GMC. We'll take a break when we come back. The Thought Line and more 32 Thoughts, the podcast. And more 32 Thoughts, the podcast. Listen to the 32 Thoughts podcast ad-free on Amazon Music, included with Prime. Okay, time now for the thought line, 1-833-311-3232, or can email us 32thoughts at sportsnet.ca There is no topic that is off limits, Elliot.

That's what I've come to learn here in this space. That is true. No topic off limits. Aristocats, fair game. Triangles, fair game. Fair game. And with that... Oh, by the the way so we mentioned

Samus Gavich so when he scored his first NHL goal on Saturday night one of the assists came from the goalie and I'm just going to check and make sure

I figure out who that was it was Spencer Knight he was the goalie so someone on X I'm sorry I can't find the name it's too many tweets ago asked if that was the first time a goalie had assisted on a players first NHL goal and Steve Fallon who is one of the people behind Sportsnet stats and does a lot of behind the scenes work for us on Saturday night he looked it up and he said it's not too rare the last time it happened was March 6 2020 right before Covid yeah Dakota Mermis scored his first NHL goal for the Devils and Corey Schneider had an assist so I thought it was a great

question I wondered I would have assumed it was pretty rare but Steve says not the case and there's the last example wow that's a neat little ad yeah good stuff okay so from my list here this week Elliot we start with Will from St. Paul, Minnesota. Hello, Elliot, Kyle, and Dom. Sometime this NHL season, can we have a full episode of Just the Thought Line? Please, please, please, please. I'm sure there are a ton of questions that could fill a whole episode. Love the podcast.

P.S. Skull Vikings for Elliot. Yes. You know what what if people want it we'll do it like it's that simple if you if you tell us you want it we'll do it and i will say with each time whether it's myself or griffin porter that helps put these questions together for us every episode there are always ones that i'm going, this is a great question, but you always want to be mindful of our listeners' time and how long we ramble on for so not all of them can get in. So that's a great idea. Will, thank you for that.

All right, next we have a voicemail. Harper in Toronto. Hi, my name is Harper and I'm from Toronto, Ontario. I am 10 years old and a long-time listener, first-time caller. And my question is, what is the longest hat-trick streak in NHL history? I'm a humongous fan of you, Elliot. Keep up the great work. Well, Harper, first of all, you're a genius. Secondly, thank you very much for listening to the pod.

We greatly appreciate it. It's important to hit all demographics kyle you want the young demographic you want the older demographic so it's nice to know that we resonate with at least one of the young demographic thank you harper um the longest hat trick streak i actually do know this one because when i first heard it I was like that can't be true but it was is Joe Malone so Joe Malone was basically the Gretzky of his time if you go back and you look at the first season of the official NHL, it's 1917-18. And Joe Malone was the leading scorer. And at that point in time, they did not count assists.

I think now they've gone back and they've basically counted them up. But at the time, they didn't count assists. And Joe Malone led it with 44 goals. Like I have some hockey books that are 20 or 30 years old, and you go back and you look at scoring from 1918, and it's just goals. So he had 44 goals. And I think the next highest guy had 36. and there were like two or three more that had about 20. then there were a bunch of guys in the teens like Joe Malone who's in the hockey hall of fame and he was basically the gretzky goal scorer of his time I think Elliot you are partially right with that okay so Joe Malone you're right shot the lights out right out of the gate, first season of the NHL.

However, at least according to the NHL statistics that they provide, he did not have a hat-trick streak longer than two games. He had three goals or more multiple times throughout a season. But in terms of back-to-back games, he didn't do it more than twice. So you're right. He has the most, but he's not the only one. There are a handful of players. We saw it last year.

Austin Matthews out of the gate, back-to-back hat tricks. Yes. Jason Robertson's done it. Alex Ovechkin's done it. Matthews has done it twice, right? He did it twice last year. So those are the four most recent ones. Matthews twice, Robertson, Ovi.

And you go all the way back to the first time it happened. It was Joe Malone. But no one in NHL history has gone three straight games where they've recorded a hat trick. All right. That makes sense. I always remember Joe Malone for some reason. And you're right for doing so.

So thanks, Harper. Yeah, but there was more. I was only 50% right, which is most of my reporting, actually. Right. Harper, thank you for that question. Okay, we're going to Ben next. Ben writes, hey, Kyle and Elliot, listen to your podcast all the time.

I've been a Canucks fan forever and love what you have to say about how tough our market is to play in. Why are we so angry at them all the time? I don't know. Anyways, my question for you is this. How does the NHL make or decide its schedule? Is it one guy doing an Excel spreadsheet

or a committee or something else? And why does it feel like they load up certain days and leave other days empty? Are they doing it intentionally for viewership or is it just logistics? I'm sure as sports analysts, it must be rather challenging to keep up with things when all 32 teams play on the same night. Also, as an avid fantasy hockey manager, these frozen frenzy days with 16 games make for some very difficult roster choices thanks guys and please keep up the great work that's a good point there we have to change the schedule for fantasy hockey roster choices i like that i i think it's i think that's pretty funny you know like this is actually a great question because like teams do do a lot

of research into this. In their markets when you're a gate driven league you can't just be making home date decisions based on whimsy. They do a lot of statistical analysis on what makes sense for their fans. Like a lot of the U.S. teams, they want home games later in the year. Like they do not want to compete with football. They have to compete with football, but they want to compete with football as little as possible, especially if you're in a city where it's not just the NFL.

in a city where it's not just the NFL like if you're in Texas or even you know places like Nashville you know even Michigan which loves its hockey like you have your NFL you have your NCAA you have your high school football and football is king it is when you take a look at the top 100 most watched broadcasts in the U.S. at the end of every year, like 90 to 95 of them are football and like 90 of them are the NFL. It is king. Maybe the State of the Union address gets in there. Maybe whatever's airing gets that prime spot after the game of Super Bowl night gets there. But generally, it's almost all football.

And so, you know, the teams in the U u.s do not want to compete with that so they always try to push their games back so that's one example but the other thing too is like i remember david poyle's going to the hockey hall of fame this year he told me a story once about how when they got to nashville they learned i think it was there was a night that was big for Bible study I think it was Mondays if I'm wrong about this I'll get told but he told me this story they learned that among their fan base there was a night that was big for Bible studies they always tried to avoid it in this day and age when it comes to ticketing and things like that these leagues are absolutely on top of their metrics.

They know what nights are good. They know what times are good. They know what days are good. They know what times of year are good. This is all done to get the best possible return on attendance as they can. on attendance as they can. And, you know, I saw people complaining that that full day that ESPN does, which I think is great, it was on the opening night of the NBA season, and people said, well, why would you do that?

It's because ESPN wanted them to do that. ESPN had its reasons for doing that. So, like, the one thing, I mean, there's always going to be scheduling things that you look at and you say, what on earth is that? Like, you know, why are they thinking that? In 99% of the cases, there is a reason and they've done the research to back it up. Like these teams in a gate-driven league,

they do not take chances. They do their statistical research. They know their markets yes and certainly there's a lot of logistical things too through all of that and making it all work but you're right and and one thing i heard like here in ottawa i don't know if it's always been like this or just maybe more in the last few years certainly on weekends saturdays especially there's going to be a lot of games where they play on hockey night in Canada so they're going to be the seven o'clock p.m eastern start

but I heard that they've really enjoyed and have had great success with afternoon time starts on the weekends they get really good turnouts for those so I know they enjoy having a number of those as many as they can do throughout the regular season for all those reasons that you just laid out. You know what? That's changed then Kyle, because years ago I remember we used to do some afternoon games there and the senators didn't like that because they felt their concession stands didn't do as well.

And actually the players association told me at one time, they weren't as crazy about afternoon games because concession sales didn't go as well. But times change, things change. You have to get kids in the building. It's important. So if they're seeing more success with this and it gets more kids in the building than by all means. Yes.

I remember Brian Murray told me that they they found that they didn't like it as much interesting good question Ben thank you for that okay we're gonna wrap the thought line for this episode Elliot a question from Steven from Leduc Alberta hi Kyle Elliott and everyone sitting here watching my Oilers against the Pittsburgh Penguins last week and my wife CJ asked me what the record is for most shots on goal without scoring I naturally suggested she asked you guys but here I am asking happy wife happy life right yes either way yes we are both just curious and wondered at the answer and then Elliot, Elliot, he finishes with this. Ah, Dreisaitl just scored, so I'm guessing 33 isn't the answer.

Thanks for all your hard work. Yeah, most saves in a shutout, I'm guessing, is what Stephen was getting at here with this question. Do you know? Do you know the answer? I do. I used to know this answer. So for regular season, I know.

Was it a Leaf goalie? He wasn't playing for the Leafs at the time, but he made a stop there. So can I say one thing for a hint? Absolutely. Well, it's just ironic that Stephen from Leduc is asking this question. Well, that's just ironic that Stephen from Leduc is asking this question. Well, that answers because I remembered they were a duo for the Leafs once, and I thought it was one of them.

But Reimer's from Manitoba, and isn't Scrivens from Alberta? And he was playing for the Oilers when he set the record. Oh, I thought, you know what, I couldn't remember if they were Leafs at the time. We did a piece once on Scrivens and Reimer. Oh, yeah. And I thought it was one of them. Yes. Oh, nice.

Nicely done. I always think, when I think most saves, even though he got beat three times that night, I always think Ron Tugnut because that was such an incredible performance. Bork took 20 shots. Yeah, that's right so that scrivens 59 saves in a shutout uh January of 2014. he had like a few weeks earlier had been traded from LA to Edmonton and does that so that's the regular season record Dominic hashik had a 70 save shutout in the playoffs. That's the record. Oh, was that the triple overtime one against the Devils?

Dave Hannon. Sounds about right. 1994. Yeah, that was, I remember watching that one on TV. The other thing I remember is, because I think we had to look it up last year or two years ago, was most shots without a goal. Oh. And that's Stephen Holko I believe I think he was just under 100 well no because I looked it up just to remind myself remember Brian Boucher has the

shutout record yes most in a row five he made 130 saves over that time. Are you just speaking of one game? No, no, no. Stephen Hawko was the shooter who had the most career shots without scoring. Yes. I see. But yeah, Boucher during his run of five straight shutouts, 130 saves in that time. I remember that.

But Scrivens is the guy for this. That was crazy. That was nuts. That was nuts. That's one of the ones where you look back and go, I can't believe that happened. It's like Oral Reshizer has the Major League record

for like 59 consecutive innings without allowing a run. Like how on earth does anybody do that? Right. And Boucher wasn't exactly playing behind the early 90s devils that season either.

No. Great. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, everyone who wrote in. Thank you to Griffin Porter for his efforts every week when it comes to the Thought Line. 1-833-311-3232. 32thoughts at sportsnet.ca. Back to rap after this. Okay, welcome back. Elliot, we thought to wrap up the podcast, this edition of it, talk a little PWHL news and a little tidbit that you also had on Hockey Night in Canada over the weekend.

Sarah Fillier, the Canadian sensation, three-time Patty Kazmaier, College Player of the Year finalist, 24 years old. She was selected first overall by the New York Sirens back in June. And you're hearing she is getting very close to agreeing to a deal with her PWHL club. Well, I hope that I am not as off base as my other reported signing this week. But yes, so there's been some other reporting on this before. I should credit, while I enjoy watching the women's game, I don't cover it that much, so I'm not often on top of the news. But it's been reported before, I think by Haley Salvian, that Fillier was offered a three-year deal and she wanted less term. I don't think there was

ever any question that she didn't want to play for New York, that she was looking to play somewhere else. But I just don't think she wanted to sign for three years. I think she wanted to play for New York, that she was looking to play somewhere else. But I just don't think she wanted to sign for three years. I think she wanted to sign for less. And I heard that was a real sticking point. She just didn't want to make that kind of commitment. And it sounds like things are moving away from that. Like the season starts in a little over 30 days. So, you know, you never want something like that. you always want your number one pick signed and even though the teams are their own individual fiefdoms there's a lot of league power here so I'm sure that everybody is trying to find a solution but I had heard that it was going to get done in a one or two year deal now I think they're supposed to meet on monday so we'll see if that goes anywhere but um you know hopefully it comes to an end this stalemate because those things are never

good for anyone involved no i want to see her in action asap my wife and i went to a number of games in in ottawa last year so much fun actually first weekend of of the season, the NHL season, I bumped into Brian Burke at the rink there down in Toronto, and we were talking about the games in Ottawa, and he said they had the best atmosphere of that inaugural season there. It was just the amount of kids that came out, the girls' hockey teams or ringette teams that would fill the building every night.

It was a really neat atmosphere. So looking forward to going to some more again this year and looking forward to what appears to be seeing Sarah Fillier play with the New York Sirens when they come through town. Enjoy, sir. And enjoy your week, Elliot. We'll talk to you again on Friday. Thank you everyone for listening. This has been 32 Thoughts, the podcast.