32 Thoughts: The Podcast - The Last Dance in LA

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

The Orca Wiesblatt Go Fund MeIn this edition of 32 Thoughts, Kyle Bukauskas and Elliotte Friedman begin by delving into the big remaining RFAs as training camps open across the NHL. The fellas update you on the latest with Kirill Kaprizov (13:57) before talking about Jason Robertson’s stalemate (17:41). Kyle and Elliotte have a laugh over the aftermath of the McDavid interview (21:55). The guys talk about the no-tax-state advantage after Brad Marchand openly admitted it helped the Panthers this offseason (26:04). They touch on AHL eligibility for the five players in the Hockey Canada trial (34:57). The Final Thought focuses on Anze Kopitar, who announced this would be his final season in the NHL (35:45).Kyle and Elliotte answer your emails and voicemails in the Thoughtline (49:58).In the final segment of the podcast, hear our exclusive one-on-one interview with Oilers goaltender Stuart Skinner (1:05:15).Email the podcast at [e-mail] or call the Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemail.This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates

This episode of 32 Thoughts is dedicated to the life and memory of Orca Wiseblatt. Orca tragically lost his life this past weekend. The Wiseblatt family is a well-known one in hockey, especially in Western Canada. A few years ago, our crew at Hometown Hockey did some wonderful storytelling about the journey that family has been on and the role hockey played in all of it. You can still find it online if you'd like to give it a watch. two of Orca's brothers, Ozzy and Oasis, currently play in the Nashville Predators system.

There is a fundraiser page started by a family friend for the additional costs that are coming the Wiseblatt's way. We've included the link in the show notes if you wish to donate. So to Kim and Oceana, Ocean, Ozzy, and Oasis, my gosh, we are sending all of our love to you.

Welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast, presented by GMC, Elliot Kyle, Dom, back with you, Training Camp underway. Thursday, all 32 clubs had their first on ice sessions. It is the time of year, Fridge, where you're looking through everything, through the filter of, is this a story, or are we just overreacting the early days of training camp? Oh, we're always overreacting. yes always overreacting if it wasn't for overreacting podcast like this one would not exist well and it doesn't always have to be hockey stuff it can be raccoon related it can be brand pronunciation related by the way we did get ripped for not asking dry sidel how to properly pronounce puma because he's done work with that brand before oh yeah Yeah, that was a layup. Yeah.

Jeez. That was sleepy brains at work for that one. Yeah, we blew that one. Okay. All right. Well, beyond that, I think the stories that are not overreactions, they are legit stories as training camps are getting cooking here, Elliot. The status of the big remaining RFAs around the league.

So White Kaiser in Chicago sneaks in just before. camps get going, signs his two-year deal, he's taken care of, but Mason McTavish with the Anaheim Ducks, he's skating with the Ottawa 67s right now as an Ottawa Valley native. There's Luke Hughes. Tom Fitzgerald said we are grinding through this together. And Luke Evangelista with the Nashville Predators, it doesn't really sound like anything as close there as we record this on Thursday night, so bring us up to speed on those three players. All right, well, let's start with McTavish because that was the one that had a lot of news around it on Thursday as

it was reported that McTavish has gone back to Ottawa and is skating with the Ottawa 67s. And, you know, normally when something like that occurs where the player, you know, doesn't try to find ice locally in some places it's easier than others, but goes farther away, that sets off alarm bells. You know, I saw Pat Verbeig's quotes. I watched his scrum. Thank you to the reporters there who put it up so I could see it. And, you know, the thing about this one is that they're dug in pretty tight.

I've heard it in several different places. No one has disputed it to me, but the ducks do not want to do a bridge. They want to do longer term here. And I do believe McTavish is receptive to that. I think he is willing to go long-term here. But as we're seeing, there is a, the cap is exploding for the top players. The numbers are rising. And I think what the ducks see as a long-term contract and what McTavish's

representatives, Pat Morris at Newport, sees as a long-term contract, number are different. They are significantly apart. And I don't need to repeat myself over and over and over again, but I have pointed out a couple of times how these are real grinders, like hard-nosed negotiators on both sides of this conversation. I don't really have a good answer for everyone here about how this is going to get solved. You know, one thing I can tell you is that teams have called Verbeek, as you can imagine, about, hey, if you can't sign this guy and can't agree with this guy, we'd love to trade for him. And I think Verbeek has told everybody to get lost. Like, he's not interested in doing that. And when Pat Verbeek,

we all probably have a different way of how we imagine Pat Verbeek saying, get lost. A, and not overly polite atone and be maybe not exactly those words um but anyway so the same amount of words just different ones just different ones but the fact is he's shown no interest in trading him so you know i don't have a solution for this one yet i'll tell you what um on a previous podcast we mentioned about how uh the docs have a bunch of young players who will need new contracts in the near future. You take a look at those guys, Carlson, really good young player, Lecombe, really good young player, Goce, really good young player.

They have a bunch of really good young players. We talked about how this is on the horizon, and another agent took that a step farther for me. He said that this is not only about the Mason McTavish negotiation, this is Pat Verbeek sending a signal that all these negotiations could be like this, that we have a line and we're going to hold our line, at least for now. We'll see how this all plays out. The one thing that's true is this is a big year in Anaheim. they want to take a step forward. Internally, they've made it very clear about that. They just hired Joel Quenville.

You know, I mean, you're taking a risk not having McTavish there at the start of the season. But Padverbeek has made it very clear. He's not going to get pushed around on contract numbers. So we'll see where this goes. I don't have a great answer. You know, Luke Hughes, I think Devils fans, I admire your passion on two things. All the pictures I'm getting sent, being told how huge Nico Heeshire is. Like, I laugh at every single one of them I get.

And number two, they want Luke Hughes updates on a day-to-day basis. Now, I'd heard a rumor that they'd settled in at six years, but couldn't agree on a number. If you see that anywhere, it's not true as of Thursday night. I got multiple denials on that. Yes, I still think the two sides, team and player are fixated on a long-term deal, but to this point,

they're having trouble finding that sweet spot number. So we are still where we are, and there's, I always have to say this. It can always change with one phone. call. You should always say that. It can always change with one phone call, but it sounded like on Thursday night, there was still work to do. Not for lack of effort, but just lack of on Thursday night, two sides agreeing on a number, they're just not there yet. Luke Evangelista, what's interesting to me with that is that I had a couple people point out on Thursday that there is a contract, a

comparable that is causing issues here. And that contract is Jack Quinn of the Buffalo Sabers. Jack Quinn last year signed a two-year deal with an AAV of 3.375. And I heard that that is the contract that is causing an issue in the sense that I believe that that is the comparable that Evangelistas. representatives are looking at and I've heard the predators are not there so that's led to the stalemate and this was another team that indicated it to me and I have no reason to believe that they're wrong so that's where it stands it's so those three situations they've all been dug in

pretty tight and we'll see what happens like ultimately somebody's going to bend and these are all going to get solved. Maybe both sides bend. But as of Thursday night, you know, they were still, all three of them, they were still really struggling to find common ground. Do you think anything, I mean, I know you love to remind us all this time of year, the deadline spur action, and now we're into camp. And years past, it seemed like that was an easy one of, okay, it's just training camp. Guys look after themselves in the summer. Training camp isn't the same. And games it used to be in terms of its importance and the grand scale of things, do you get any sense that that's sort of changing a bit, like the value of having players there day one, even if

they're still in great shape, but just being part of things from the outset and losing that in some cases when these things drag on. Jeremy Swamen a year ago, obviously William Nealander back in the day was an extreme one. Brady Kachuk in Ottawa, does that change at all? Do you feel a little more urgency, whether it's on the team side or even the player's side of, I know it's just preseason, but can we get it done? I think the thing I've learned over the years, Kyle, is that players operate on a clock, right? And that clock says right now, I should be in camp. And I want to be with my teammates and I want to play.

I don't think the beginning of training camp is as much like if you're if you're a younger player or you're not an established player I could see a player wanting to rush to get back and even an agent saying I know I've seen situations before where agents after it's over they're like we were never missing camp I just knew it was bad for my player now all these guys are McTavish and Hughes and Evangelista are more established and ultimately they can say you know what I can miss a little bit and I think I'll be okay but several agents have told me before the biggest challenge is that body clock saying I should be with my teammates now I want to play games now and teams count on that they're like okay we'll see if the play or puts any pressure on the agent to get it done. You know, the other thing I'd say for all three of these teams, I mean, these are big seasons every year, but I think you could look at it.

Like, Barry Trots had that great line today about, we'll try to prove the experts wrong for the third year in a row. Yeah. That was the second funniest one I heard this week. I did laugh pretty hard when Don Sweeney said, I thank Jeremy Swayman for being in camp at the beginning of the year this year. I thought that was a pretty funny line, too. There's been some good ones.

But all three of these teams have pressure points this season, right? There's expectations there. And so I do think on some level, you could say that the players eventually are going to fill pressure, the body clock. But I think the teams are two. You know, the whole thing to with New Jersey, New Jersey is another, you know, their number one goalie. They signed Jake Allen this offseason. Their number one goalie, Jacob Markstrom, he's not signed after this year, too.

And that'll be an interesting one. But, you know, it's funny. Like, we've been talking about Quinn Hughes leaving Vancouver to go play with his brothers. and Luke Hughes is having a hard time getting an extension done. I mean, it's, it just shows you, like, it just shows you that nothing ever goes in a straight line. Nothing ever goes in a straight line. No, okay. Well, let's continue on that theme.

I mean, we went into great length last pot about where things are at with Caprizov as you had more time to collect your thoughts and gather a few more details. We heard from him on Thursday. You can tell he wasn't completely comfortable discussing where things are at. And a part of that, of course, is the language barrier. So give the guy credit for standing in front of the cameras and microphones and answering what he could. But he reiterates it goes, you guys know I love Minnie. His focus is just on playing hockey. What did you think of what he had to say Thursday?

It was pretty simple. I think that, you know, you couldn't have expected anything different. I thought the biggest development was not anything he said or Bill Guerrins said. I thought the biggest development was that his agent Paul Thiophonis was seen in Minnesota. Because I don't believe anyone expected this to go anywhere for the next little while. You know, as we said on the last pod, everybody was sitting back. Everybody had to sit back and take a breath and kind of process the fact this contract got turned down and then the news got out. And I think what most people believe would happen was that both sides would go back to their corners.

They'd take a deep breath and then we'd try again somewhere down the road. Well, it happened. The fact that he's there, it's a good sign, I think. You have to think they're trying to do this again. And we'll just have to see what it means. I'm not sure the wild expected another try at this so quickly. And what that makes me wonder is, if the player played a role and said,

okay, we're going to talk about this again. Because I wondered when Bill Guerin said, well, you know, things are fine. Is that things are fine or sitting at the coffee table with a cup of coffee and the kitchen is on fire, fine? Kyle, never let them see you sweat. That's why I use antiperspirant. You should do that,

for a lot of reasons. Hey, given what you said to us before we started recording, speak for your dang self. All right, so that's Caprizov. Someone we haven't talked as much about and, you know, we probably should just given he's in a similar situation as a Caprizov, as a McDavid, a Jack Eichael, you name it. But that's Kyle Connor of the Winnipeg Jets. What's going on there? Well, I think that he wants to stay and I think they want to keep him. Well, first of all, go into the, you were talking about Jim Nill, right?

I just thought when he spoke to the local media in Dallas this week and asked about Jason Robertson's situation. Now, his is different, of course. I think they still got two more years of control. He's not going into UFA territory just yet. But I just thought it was really quite something that he comes out and says the negotiating marker right now with players in the league has come to a standstill. And it's a standstill to with Jason Robertson. And that triggered my mind to what you had talked about not too long ago with the whole evolving landscape of the salary cap jumping leaps and bounds over the next little while that no player wants to be the one that ends up missing the boat. in terms of where their number could be

because they took a deal too early in the proceedings. So it's not only happening in the UFA world, it's happening in the RFA world in the case of Jason Robertson, and teams are having to deal with players all around do new contracts seeing, I just want to wait and get a sense of how this landscape is all going to look over the next little bit

and how much it changes. First of all, Jim Nill, he doesn't let his guard down too often, but when he does, he's really good. Like that whole conversation tonight, or that whole quote, was really insightful. And so, Jim, if you're listening to this pod, and I know you're probably not, but if you're listening to this pod, you should let your guard down more often because that was great stuff. I was talking with a couple people about this yesterday after Nill said it. and he was talking about Caprizov and we were talking about McDavid and eventually we got around to Con or two

so Caprizov when he gets done whenever that is he's going to be the highest paid winger in the league but last year there were two deals that set a new bar

that used to be Panarin 11.64, then Rantan signed for 12, and Marner signed for 12. And this person said to me, Rantanin, no tax date, Marner, no tax date, cap going up, don't you think that if Kyle Connor signs before, Caprizov he's going to be the highest paid winger in the league and I was thinking about that I was thinking you know what you're probably right and even if Caprizov ends up signing first

Connor is probably going to be the second highest paid winger in the league so when we were talking about this and I do think the Jets want to get that done and I do think that he wants to stay. I think that's his preference. But, you know, we were kind of talking about, boy, that's, and you look at it, you know, who are the Jets' highest paid guys?

Well, their highest paid players are Shifley and Helibuck at 8.5. and Hellebuck was the MVP of the league last year. And, you know, this guy was just saying to me, it's amazing, and this is an exact, he said it's amazing how quick it's changing for all of us. You know, he said that we all knew it. We all saw the numbers last year, the agreement that the league reached with the players over the cap of the next three years.

But it always seemed like it was down the road, down the road. road down the road now it's hitting everybody smack dab in the face and we were just kind of saying how you know this is the guy the jets signed two great deals shifley and hellobuck those guys are going to be worth every penny winnipeg's paying for them like we said hellobuck was the MVP of the league last year and now a couple years later Kyle o'connor is just going to go whoosh right past. That's like ludicrous speed on line. Ludicrous speed.

It really is amazing how quickly everything has changed here. I wanted to talk about a little bit about our McDavid interview the other day just quickly. So I actually had no idea. It was kind of funny. I actually had no idea that it. was going to be run on SportsNet that night, which, you know, I'm glad they did. Yes.

Actually, wait, hold on. Can we just back up for two seconds? Yeah. So just to let everybody in on the, so Leon, we got first, right? Yeah. We finished with him and you and I look at each other like, oh, he was really good. Like, we've got to get that out quickly. Like, that's worth listening to.

And then McDavid comes and sits down and we do the interview with him, and that's done. And we look at each other like, that was. was, I think that went well, like, all things considered. Connor's not always the most revealing person. It was conversational. I think we got a couple of things out of it. But I don't feel it wasn't the same like, oh, yeah, yeah. But of course it's McDavid, given the situation we're like, we're putting out the pod Wednesday morning.

Anyway, I just, just our reactions after we've recorded it, you and I, nowhere close to some of the reactions after the cliff on Central ran later that night. Well, it was just kind of funny because if as someone said to me, they watched the clips on television and then they heard the podcast and they said to themselves, it was almost like it was two different interviews because with the podcast, you heard like he was just in a good mood talking about a whole bunch of different topics. and then you just heard the key business stuff which is you said he has a plan for he knows how to answer the questions and I completely agree with you he knows exactly what he's going to do this person just said to me

and I agreed after watching it that it was almost like it was too completely you wouldn't have believed he was in the same room if you just heard if you heard both of them It was kind of funny. But I guess it got out, and a lot of Oilers fans are like, oh, my God, this is a disaster. And I walked out of the room feeling like the exact opposite. Yeah, I know.

Everyone's like, he's gone, he's gone. And you understand, obviously, you know, SportsNet Central doesn't have the time in the show to run all 12 minutes of it. So you're going to take the easiest part. Not at all. Glad they got it out. And should say, for those interested, the entirety of the interview video-wise is also up on the SportsNet YouTube channel now, if anyone cares to watch it back in that format. And we should also say, we also got some time with Stuart Skinner that day we were in

Edmonton too. We're going to play a bit of that conversation later on in the podcast too. But yeah, that got a lot of play for each. I think a lot more than we anticipated in the immediate aftermath of the recording stopped of that interview. you sometimes you just never know right i always say this to people in this day and age on the internet you never know what's going to go viral because sometimes i say on a pot oh this is going to be big people are going to go crazy about this and no one cares and there's other times i'm saying to

myself no one's going to care about that and it just becomes a gong show it's it really is When you ever you put something out there, you really are at the mercy of the way the public reacts. You really have no idea. And a lot of times you predict and you're completely wrong. So true. So true. And we thank McDavid again for taking some time with us. You mentioned no tax states earlier.

Yeah. Should we get to what Brad Marchand said this week down for? I do want to talk about this. I do want this because it's if first of all I just think that okay play the clip play the clip play the clip play the clip Tom you know I had a goal of what I wanted to be I want to play as long as I could and that was the goal that I had in the summer you know it's part of why it didn't work out in Boston it's the main reason it didn't work out in Boston and you know and then So, yeah, all that speculation around it, I mean, you call a spade of spade.

If we were in, if we were not in an on-tax state, it wouldn't have worked out probably for two guys. You know, two guys probably would have been leaving in that situation. So that's a benefit that this team has that, you know, we were able to utilize and make work. So he says the quiet part out loud, and for the betterment of what you and I do and a lot of interested fans, he has done that for a long while. But he said he did not think it could work. He didn't think he was coming back to Florida. And they made it work.

Not only for him, but the other two. But for everybody. It's amazing. It's, you know, Marchand, he sees like a hornet's nest and it says the word salary cap on. He's like, oh, I'll just kick this. Because he knows that's red meat for everybody out there. Don't push the button. I can almost imagine him going back and around.

the dressier of efforts and hey guys I I talked about the salary cap and no tax dates again they're probably all laughing in that dressing or law you really you got them going so it's the most interesting thing about it to me is that some players did bring this up with the players association in the conversation leading up to the new CBA but the players

association they said look a lot of those teams were garbage and nobody wanted to play for them before and this is really the first cycle where we've seen a bunch of no tax states roll back to back to back to back or whatever to the Stanley Cup like you take a look at it the two that Tampa won the one that Vegas won the two that Florida won you know as Ron Hainsey pointed out to me when I talked to him about it once if you go back to the last decade at the end of the last decade like there were There were states like Massachusetts that were, you know,

bigger tax states that were still doing very well. And, hey, California, where the Kings won, that was, and the sharks went to a Stanley Cup final, those were bigger tax states. And, you know, the players kind of bought it, and they said, all right, you know, we'll see how this goes. And I think that was Ron Hainesie and Marty Walsh's message. Let's see how it goes for another CBA. this one's not very long and if it's like this again then we'll see what there can be done to

address it even though betman says you guys are all nuts it's it's not true i think we all know and we're reminded today it's true the moment marchand signed i forgot to mention this a couple months ago. But so the all three of those guys we signed, Ekblad signs, Bennett signs, then Marchand signs. The moment that came out, I got a text from a player saying we should have addressed the taxes. And, and I think there were a few players around the league who play in states where they don't have that advantage who felt that they

let one go by that they really they really regretted not pushing harder on it. Because basically this happened just days after they'd agreed to the new CBA, right? Yeah.

So I think there's quite a few players who did a slow burn and said you know for example last week at the at the media tour they asked a bunch of players and some of the writers who were there about the playoff format and a bunch of them said you know we could we should go back to one to eight i mean you just had a CPA you should have done it right there right but it didn't happen so it's it's not going to happen right now but this one it's stuck in the craw of a few guys that just a couple of a couple of days after they'd really been convinced to punt it for five years, it exploded in their face like a failed grade 10 chemistry experiment. Just a big poof, a black dust on the face. And then to see Marchand say that on Thursday, which I admit, I thought was hilarious,

they're going to be players who see that quote and they are going to be grinding their teeth just grinding their teeth right and it's ah because yes and i've of the same mind that it can't just be well because it's a no tax state that's why they're good but in terms of the markets you just mentioned that have been the most successful they have figured out to build an environment that people want to come to and on top of that they say here's an opportunity to make a few extra bucks along with it. But it's also like, right, it was early on in the salary cap era,

teams weren't entirely sure how to fully exploit LTIR. They got very good at doing that. Now it's changed. I wonder if he gets to a point where, okay, the non-tax teams have now become very good at using that to their advantage. Is there some kind of adjustment?

But that's such a different conversation. I don't even know how you go about addressing something like that. Got four years to figure it out. It's beyond just what is collectively bargained. I mean, that's from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, state to state to province to country. It's a completely different.

I would say that if the players really do want to deal with this, they should say we're hiring someone to come up with an idea right now. same for the teams might as well get started you know one of the ideas I liked and I wrote about it last year and it wasn't my idea because it was smart if it was my idea it would not be smart is that the

is that there should be for the for the teams that pay bigger taxes give them a break on UFAs only UFAs even their own UFAs because that's when you're truly free to sign wherever you want and maybe it's where you do a

I don't know you figure out what the difference is in their tax rate say Montreal's tax rate to the non-tax teams and say this is the percentage break you're going to get counting against your cap I don't know

but if if the players and I heard from a few of them after this Florida thing after Florida signed all those guys if you really want to do something about it you got to get on I mean Hainesian Walls probably think they're coasting for four years now we got a CBA done don't have to do anything go get a sun tan lie on the beach make those guys do something that'd be a great scene like just the Two of them sat down up at the bar, they clinked their glasses, job well done. And like, as the first sip is digested, like the phone starts ringing and it's a player going,

what are we doing about this state tax, no state tax nonsense? And it's like, oh, my God, we got to start again. Start preparing. Yeah. Leave the groundwork. All right, Elliot, we talked briefly last pod, just about timelines for, the five players that were acquitted in the Hockey Canada sexual assault trial, sign a contract, October 15th, not eligible to play though until December the 1st, but American Hockey League

eligibility. Do we have clarity on that? Yeah, a couple of people ask me about this, about players being eligible to play in the American Hockey League. Basically, they're adopting the same stance that the NHL is, and that is that nobody can play in the, the American Hockey League before December 1st unless it is on an NHL-approved conditioning loan. So that's how that's going to work. Okay, good to know. That'll take us to the final thought,

which is brought to you by GMC. So on Thursday, Elliot, in Los Angeles, Anzee Kopitar announced that this season will be his last. By the way, do you think before that that the Kings reached out to the other teams in the city and we're like, hey, no chance you guys have a player planning to announce retirement plans today, right? Like, nobody, no chance, nobody else. I actually wonder if they did it together for a reason.

You think it was on purpose? Like, I mean, it's great. I do know that for a year, and I actually, it took me a few years before I learned this in my career. but when we worked at the score Steve McAllister did media relations for tennis Canada and he would call Brian Speer who was producing at the score

and he would say hey we're thinking of calling a press conference for next week do any of the other teams have anything going on and I remember asking some other PR people is that normal and the answer was yes you try to call around as much as you can if you have a big announcement is any other team going to be doing it and there is a chance that this could be a complete coincidence because you know kershaw's last start at home is going to be Friday night and I guess they wanted to announce it and it's the first day of training camp for copatar

and he can announce it instead of doing it in a scrum or anything like that But on some level, I do wonder if the two teams looked at it and said this would actually be perfect if we did it the same day. I'm going to ask you a question about Kopitar in a minute, but I think he goes down as the greatest king ever. Right? Yes. well actually I'll say this I had this debate with someone today greatest king ever or greatest player ever to play for the kings and I said no he's not the greatest player ever to play for the kings

because they had Gretzky yeah so Gretzky is the greatest player ever to play for the kings but Copatar is the greatest king ever agree yes like the Gretzky impact like that can't be lost in the grand team of things but You look at it. Franchise leader in games played, right? Probably hits 1,500 this year. All with the Kings.

Franchise leader and assists needs just 30 points to pass Marcel Dion to become most points in franchise history. Two Stanley Cups, the only two that the franchise is won. He was a integral part of both. I have a tough time take an issue with any of that. There's Doughty in the mix, too, as Dom points out to us. Yeah, he's, yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's there for him. But the fact, but the fact is, if he was not in the Pacific time zone, his entire career, how much more reverence is there for him. But the fact is, if you look over the history of the kings, I mean, no one's done it longer and I would say on a more consistent basis than him.

You know what I think about when I think about him first? What's that? Remember last year, we went to L.A. to do a couple of interviews. Oh, I know where you're going here, yeah. And we spent all day there one day. We did like five or six interviews. And we left the building, and the Kings had already skated that day. And we left the building, and Kopitar was sitting on a bench, just outside the front door of their practice facility with his kids.

And he was just sitting there. Like, if you watch the press conference on Thursday, he's up there with his family. They share the glory of this day with him. But he's just sitting there. here and no one's bothering him and hey i was i was like what are you doing here he goes oh my kids skate in the afternoon i kind of laughed and i said you know what anjia it's nice to see you're you're just like us you leave your workplace during the day but if your kids want to come back to do what they need to do,

you're coming right back with them, no matter what you want, your kids take over in the afternoon. It's nice to know you're just like the rest of us. And he laughed and he just said, yeah, that's true. And the funniest thing was, is that nobody was bothering him.

He was just sitting there out in the open and people were walking by and some of them were doing double takes, but everyone just let him be. And I just said, I just said to myself, it's like, it's a reminder that if you're a parent, we're all the same. We do what we do what we have to do to support our families. And then at the end of the day, we get dragged where our kids want us to go. Yeah, it was a really, yeah, a neat scene forever they used laid out.

And yeah, it's not exactly, he's not a guy that kind of blends in with. everybody else he's kind of a figure that is difficult to miss yes for a whole host of reasons so yeah and and you think about a market like los angeles they don't take the title of star lightly it can be easy to get lost in the crowd in that town but he very much was and continues to be one of the face of the kings even during moments where he's taking his kids to the rink so they can skate and assuming a life a little more anonymous, still one of the great stars at that market. And it's cool, again, whether it was a coincidence or not,

that the Kershaw stuff comes out too, because I know Kovatar's career, at least in L.A. started a little bit before Kershaw made it up to the Dodgers, but a lot of overlap in terms of when the two of them, like they were on the cover of Sports Illustrated together once upon a time. They were two of the big,

in that city for a long period of time and both the reputation of longevity and doing it at a high level year after year and winning and winning and winning and you came early for copatar a little later for kershaw but both became that for sure you know the thing to uh the thing too uh the thing too with kopatar is like i said i see him as the greatest king ever you can't say kershaw is the greatest dodger ever Like their history, Sandy Kofax, Jackie Robinson, I mean, Otani, you know, what he's doing there right now, even though most of his career so far with the Angels. I mean, Robinson was a career-long Dodger once he broke the color barrier.

Sandy Kofax was a career-long Dodger. I think when I think of the greatest Dodgers ever, I think those are the two guys. And I don't think Kershaw Eclipse is either one of them. but in this era he's he's the standard bear there is something poetic about the two of those guys going down together the two of those guys announcing that this is it on the same day i think the other thing too was the thing i like about copatar was he's graceful off the ice but just a terror on the ice i think that that that's something i talk about with a lot of people about how when you can be a nice, polite, gracious person in life,

but when you're doing what you have to do, you can't always be like that. You almost have to be like two people. You have to be on ice copatar and private life, Copatar. And you have to be able, if maybe you have to be able to separate the two. Like the way he is off the ice, he couldn't be as successful if he was, like that on the ice.

They won two Stanley Cups in the middle of a Chicago Blackhawks dynasty. And one of those series between the Blackhawks and the Kings was one of the best series in the last 25 years.

And he was the guy who had to go head to head with Taves and he was the guy who had to go head to head with Kane. And if he didn't win those matches, they weren't going to where they went to. And, you know, the other thing, too, I was thinking about this. 2005 NHL draft, Kyle, I think it's safe to say if we're doing it over again,

Crosby is still the number one pick. Correct. Yes. You're going with that? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I thought about it too, but I stuck with, with Crosby. Okay. If you were the second pick, which was Anaheim and Bobby Ryan, and you could redraft it, who are you taking? Copatar or Carrie Price?

I have Jonathan Quick fourth. Okay. I'm probably... Unless you want to move quick up higher. Yeah. I'm probably doing Price 2 Price 2 and Copatar 3 Yeah but like you also like Chris LaTang was in that draft too Sorry I Chris LaTang is a great player

He's not going ahead of Copatar Crosby Price or Quick Okay I know for me Why are you complicating things like don't make life harder Like Tuka Rask is in that draft Tjoshi is in that draft like there's a lot of really good players in that draft but to me the top five are crosbie quick four rask five and you're taking price too yeah price copatar price copatar i probably would too we might never be able to visit California again.

The standing invite is being revoked. What? Copatar third. Oh, gosh. Well, at least we got a good visit in there last September. Hope you took some souvenirs. All right, Kings fans. What do you think of that?

That's the other thing, too. Yes. And just L.A. sports fans. in general hope you're doing okay after today like talk about two constants for oh you know what if i was if i was a dodger king fan i would be perfectly okay with it i would say you guys have earned the right to call your shot and thank you for the memories yes but also these things just a reminder of where has the time gone yeah you know the other thing too that's really amazing is that talking about that draft.

I think it was Doug McLean talked once on the air about how, because if you'll remember, they had, Columbus had the sixth pick, and they took Gilbert Broulet and Copartar went 11th. And Doug talked a lot about how they liked Copatar, but they were scared of Slovenia.

Like, can we justify them? that. I know he played junior hockey in the Swedish league, but how they were scared off because of the lack of the pedigree from the country. There was none at the time, right? He was the first Slovenian. Yeah. And I'll bet you that, you know, Doug has got enough backbone to admit it, but I'll bet you he wasn't the only one. For sure. The fact that, right, they're weighing that at six and he doesn't go off the board until 11. Yeah. 100%.

Well, it'll be impressive to watch now one more season, at least we know for sure, of Angee Kopitar and the L.A. King. So if you haven't had a chance to appreciate his brilliance, all the other years, he's been in the league, you got 82 more games and we'll see what happens next spring as he wraps up what's just a remarkable Hall of Fame Bound. career. So with that, that'll be the final thought brought to you by GMC. We'll take our first

break and come back with the thought line. 32 thoughts. The podcast continues after this. All right, welcome back. It's time once again for the thought line presented by Dauberhockey. Doberhockey.com, for 20 years, your trusted source for player rankings, line combos, stats reports, and the fantasy hockey guide that serious GMs trusts. Elliot, welcome aboard, dauber. Very much so. Great to have you. By the way, can I say something about my day today?

As always, the floor is yours. I played Redtail today in Ontario, golf. Uh-huh. And I was excited to do it. It surpassed my expectations. Hardest greens I've ever played. I could have shot better. I could have shot a lot worse.

Just thank you, Jason Bucola, for setting it up. What an incredible experience. And you're coming off some momentum after the round in Edmonton the other day. So you had a lot of good feelings coming in. But I wasn't that. Good. I will say that. I was not as good Thursday as I was Tuesday. Okay. Also, I know this isn't a video podcast, but Elliot, you can see in our screen here, I've got a t-shirt that, do you remember during the Flames Stanley Cup run in 2004, the song Inda Dome? Yes.

That was set to the beat of 50 cents into club. Yes. This is a t-shirt here. It's got a photo of a young Jerome McGillam. and it reads, hanging in the dome, chilling with Jerome. It is made by a local outfit called Sea of Dead, which is, they make clothing, reviving discontinued logos in the city of Calgary. Oh, okay. I've got a Calgary Cannon's hat that I bought a few years ago.

It still gets comments. Anyways, I just wanted to bring this up because they've got a limited edition of these t-shirts with proceeds going towards Kid Sport Calgary, which does awesome things for getting young kids that otherwise may not have the funds to get into sports, gets them equipment,

almost a whole host of things. So just wanted to shout out the t-shirt through Sea of Dead. The only issue is right now they're only doing local deliveries in terms of how you can access these things, but I don't know, maybe if you fill up their inbox and I want that shirt, I want that shirt, maybe they expand

their shipping, but wanted to shout that up before we get to the thought line in earnest. You should include a photo of it on your link to this. I will, because it's a beauty. It is a beauty. All right. I don't even have to ask you if you have any guesses of what the thought line was stuffed with. It's about Puma. So Griffin Porter tells us there was one submission agreeing with you.

only one and it's I didn't ask just for your own psyche I didn't need to even though Prince Albert Raiders piled on it was a runaway trade is so good yeah Sam from Australia wrote and said I'm a Canadian living in Australia and here they pronounce it like Elliot does

and as a French Canadian I always said Puma as well, not Puma. I always said the French Canadians were geniuses. Always, always. I've always said that. Here's a voicemail. This is the only other one on this topic we've included that we've got to get to. Aaron from Detroit.

Roll it. Hey, this is male carrier Aaron from Detroit. I don't know what you guys are all talking about. Elliot says everything correctly. So if he says it's Piuma, then it's Piuma. On a side note, did you see Detroit's centennial jerseys? It has the 11th Stanley Kiyops, we won.

Stevie Wiserman sure did outdid himself this time. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go wash my new Piappy in the T-UB, because who does he stink? That was really good. Yeah. There were a couple of people who sent me notes on various social media saying, I'm trying to decide which you pronounce worse, Puma or Detroit? Yes. Yes.

Detroit came up a couple of times. That was really good. Yes. That was, I have no doubt while you were going out delivering the mail, you were working on that to make it go quicker. great stuff great stuff thank you aaron all right to the business scott from edmonton good morning fellows hope you guys had a great summer and like how we just welcomed a baby boy in early july so i totally get the endless joy that accompanies the sleepless nights yes congratulations i'm just listening to the new podcast and elliott makes an interesting point in relation to guys not wanting to be underpaid compared to other guys around the league i Also, I should say this. Griffin made a note that this is some of the most frequent kind of question was this one here along this topic. So I wanted to get this in. My question is, if that's the case for most of the players, can they sign a contract that deals directly with a percentage of the cap versus dollars?

For example, on Caprizov's next deal, instead of doing eight by whatever number, could he not structure his contract that would be 15% of the cap over the next eight years? This way, the players would be protected from future growth in the cap and still be maintaining a respectable number compared to their peers. Would love to hear your thoughts, go oil. The answer is no. You can't sign a percentage of the cap deal. I do get that question a lot. It's a very good question, but the answer is no.

You must sign an actual number. There it is. There have been two players who weren't 20% of the cap, more, though. One was Yager in the first year of the cap, and the other was Brad Richards. And those ones were grandfathered in, I believe, because they'd been signed beforehand, but they're the only two. All right. And wanted to include this one from Jeff, as everybody's getting back into the hockey mind and trying to sort out the new CBA rules of what's in effect now and what isn't. So Jeff asks, with the new CBA taking effect,

Would another team be able to offer Caprizov a seven-year deal next summer isn't the limit six starting next year? If the wild walk Caprizov all the way up to free agency, then it would shave two years off the max length anyone else can offer, not just one, right? Or does that not go into effect until the following summer? If it does, could the shark sign Macklin Celebrini to an eight-year deal next summer, even if his extension doesn't kick in until the next CBA is. under way. No, the seven and six year things, they don't come into effect until September 15th, 2026. So that is, that was one of the things the Players Association was very serious about that some stuff could be brought in early, but that wasn't going to be one of them. And I think that disappointed some teams a bit because they hoped that they would get some

contracts done that way. But those new terms and that also includes the new bonus limitations. They don't come in until September 15th of 2026. All right, another voicemail. Daniel from Calgary. Hey guys, Daniel calling from Calgary, Alberta. I had a question about players waving their no-move clause. Obviously, if they have that in a contract, they have the right.

However, if a team wants to move them to a team that they don't, want to go to. Is it against the rules to be financially rewarded or paid in order for them to waive their clause? And if it is not against the rules, is there any cases that you guys know about it? Thanks so much. Love the podcast. The answer is technically no, you can't do it, but there is a loophole. Like you can't say, unless you're working with Kauai Leonard's Uncle Dennis, who seems to be able to find all sorts of ways around rules and caps, unless you're willing to risk a secret payment that nobody's aware of and you hope nobody finds, no, you can't just say, hey, if you get traded, we'll give you an extra $5 million to waive your no

trade. Now, in the NBA, they had something called a trade kicker. if you got traded there could be an added percentage to your contract that exists in that league but it does not exist in the NHL however let's just say you're in the last year of a deal and a team wants to trade for you and you say no I don't want to go there and say for argument's sake your current team said hey this new team wants to talk to you and your agent calls are you calling to say, hey, if you get traded here, we'll give you an extension, which you're eligible for, that can happen. And I can't remember any situations off the top of my head,

because I just heard this now as I'm answering, but I know that's happened before where a team is called, a team has asked for permission and said, we want to talk to you. And then they offered a deal that was good enough for a player to say, okay, I'll wave it and I'll go there. That has happened. So that's kind of the loophole around it. Interesting. Really interesting. All right, we've got one final one here, Elliot,

and it's another voicemail. This one coming from Anton in St. Petersburg, Russia. Hey, guys, it's Anton from St. Petersburg, the original one. I was wondering if you heard any discussion about Russian team participating in the 2027 World Cup of hockey under the neutral flag. If the other teams will be opposed to Russians participating, maybe NHL can just create their own team, Russian hockey players of NHL, for example, and just don't include Russian hockey federation.

Gonchar could be the coach, for example, and you can decide on uniforms later. it's kind of hard to tell right now I don't believe that Russian hockey players have coalition group to discuss such questions so maybe the initiative should start from the NHL I think you can buy another year of Ovejkin and Malkin with decision like that

so what do you think about that idea thank you love the pod and great job Dom, great job Kyle bye-bye I can't escape this even overseas in Russia. That was really funny, Anton. I like that. That gave me a good laugh.

Well done. It's a great question. I honestly don't know the answer, but I have dealt enough with this over the past couple of years to kind of have an understanding about how the NHL feels about this. I think at different times the NHL has thought about, bringing Russia back, but if they're not, it's almost like everybody takes their cues from the Olympics, right? If the Olympics aren't willing to bring Russia back in, then it's nobody else does.

I remember when the band first started, one of the things that Betman and Daly told me was that when they met with the various hockey federations in Europe, like Sweden, Czechia, Finland, they didn't as North Americans understand the strength of the feeling from some of these countries about playing Russia at the time. That's a really interesting idea you've brought up Anton. One of the reasons we haven't seen any certainty yet on the teams that will play the 2028 World Cup is because the NHL wants to wait as long as possible to see what Russia's situation is. Yeah, because you remember when we sat down with Bill Daly in Italy last month,

he just said then, obviously, there's still a lot of uncertainty going on there politically with Russia and how that could affect whether they participate or not. And this is also, if I'm not mistaken, this World Cup, it's NHL, NHLPA, similar to four nations. Like there's no double IHF involvement in this tournament. I don't believe. Well, right now, they haven't worked out a deal with them yet. So they said they're going to go at it without them. Right.

We'll see if it changes, but that's where it stands right now. Okay. Because knowing this question was going to be part of the thought line, I checked with the league quickly, Elliot. There's no real update right now versus what we heard from daily a few weeks back. And I mentioned what Anton's suggestion was of having them compete under a neutral flag or banner. It's not something the league has contemplated yet, but they just pointed out that, yeah, we are still more than two years out from February 2028, so there's still time here

to figure out how they're going to proceed. Thanks for the question. We always appreciate questions from different areas of the world. For sure, really good. And welcome again, dauber hockey. Yes, that was the thought line presented by daubber hockey. Hockey, 1833, 311, 3232.32, if you'd like to leave a voicemail, or you can email us at 32thoughts at sportsnet.ca. One more break. We'll come back with some of our conversation with Stuart Skinner of the Edmonton Oilers as 32 Thoughts, the podcast continues. All right, welcome back. Elliot, I think I'm not speaking out of turn

when I suggest that Stuart Skinner has become one of the favorite players that we have gotten the chance to listen to and ask questions to over our time on the podcast, talk to them just before the Stanley Cup final a few months back. It's going into a pretty big year, final year of a contract he has let it be known he would love to be one of the three goaltenders selected to represent team Canada at the upcoming Olympics he is the hometown boy representing his local team to say nothing of backstopping a team that has aspirations of finishing a job that has been over two years in the making after back-to-back runs to the stanley cup final what are your feelings on stewart skinner going into this year you know what was really interesting to me in this is the stuff about the mental game

yep like we talked about he talked about losing the weight and what he did and cutting out sugar which is going to be here I don't know Kyle ice cream man no ice cream couldn't do another reason I couldn't be an NHL goalie another reason on a long list

but to me this stuff When I hear Stuart Skinner talk, to me, a lot of it is in his head. And we all know people like this, people who cannot control the thoughts in their mind and how much of a challenge that can be, whether it's doubt or second-guessing yourself. that I see that's the next level he has to go over is just winning the argument against the other voices in his head. The thoughtful, the open, and honest Stuart Skinner on 32 Thoughts the podcast. Enjoy.

All right, so as I mentioned when he came in, there were reports that there was a like a slimmer Stu Skinner that came in this year. Yeah. I understand like 10 to 15 pounds, something like that. So what exactly did you change this off-season? A lot of it was diet. I definitely changed some of my training method, I guess you could say. I was out in Kelowna and being able to be out there is just very, very really specific, but I did it for a much longer time.

It wasn't just for a few weeks in the summer. I took a solid month and a half of just strictly doing that. And it's easier said than done, but cutting out all sugar is a difficult thing. but I was able to do that for a little while. So, yeah, those are kind of the main things that really helped me slim down. And I think the big thought of it was I want to be able to last in this league for as long as I can. And if I'm heavier than maybe I need to be, then, you know, it could be harder on the joints. Was it your idea or did someone say to you and say, let's try this?

It was more of my commitment to myself of wanting to have a longer lasting career and try to help my joints out a bit. and then cut and what comes with that as trainers also saying, hey, what do you think of this idea? What do you think of that idea? But it has to come from myself. If it doesn't come from me, I'm probably not cutting out sugar the way that I did. Now, are you still off sugar or? For the most part.

Probably like a couple times I'll have a little snack at night. What is your cheat? Like, what is your cheat? Normally it's ice cream, but I haven't had ice cream in a long time. Oh, that would be tough. Neither one of us could live with that. Yeah. Oh, ice cream is, yeah.

That's my, that's my go-to. But if I go on that, then I'm off the rails. So I, so right now I just do like a, maybe like a quarter of a, like, a dark chocolate. That's still pretty healthy. I'm trying. Yeah, I'm doing my best. And for, in the on-ice stuff, like the goalie movement and stuff, like, the goalie movement and stuff, that. Who did you see for that?

Saw Adam Fransilia. Oh, you're with Adam? Yeah. And he's been fantastic. I've been working with him for a few years, but I've never actually had the opportunity to really go out there and, you know, stay around him for longer than I did this summer. And being able to be a part of that process was, I mean, it was amazing. I mean, it's great being out in Klona, being out by the water. You know, we worked out by the water, which was fantastic and being able to get on the ice, too. So just very goalie specific. I was around some amazing goalies down there too. Was Hallibuck there?

He was not there. He was busy with his trophies last year. That's good. I was going to say the same thing. Yeah. But no, it was a great summer and honestly just a lot of goalie work, lots of mobility and just being strong and

you know the weird positions that we have to get ourselves into. It's been amazing to watch your last couple years. You've had highs, you've had lows, you've battled bad, you've looked where there's been moments where things have been tough and you've always climbed out of it. I'm just wondering, like, what's been the biggest challenge is you've risen to the NHL since you've got here that you've learned to deal with? That's a very good question. That's more of a question that I've got to think about a little bit.

there's so many things I go into figuring out kind of your way through any career I think for anybody I think for myself I think right off the bat you learn that it's an everyday league

you learn that pretty quickly otherwise I feel like you can get out out quickly you got to show up the same way You've got to be committed to, you know, playing at your best every single day despite what the situation is. And I think that's always changing and always a very difficult thing to overcome. You know, for an example, even just this past playoffs, you know, things are going well. And then series is tied to two, two, and you're not playing the next day.

And that's a very difficult situation to, you know, wrap your head around and go into the next following game. That's going to be a do or die. that kind of falls on your shoulders and being in a situation like that and you're still focused on doing your own thing and despite whatever anyone else thinks, despite what any things going on, what your teammates think, what, you know, media is saying about yourself or anything, you got to be strong and play your game and stick to what you know and what you are going to do. And those are some heavy distractions that can be, you know, tough to overcome. So I think, I mean, in saying that, I think some of the hardest things is just being a person, you know, being able to, you know, have these emotions and have these feelings. But at the same time, put him aside and it's go time. It's game on. You know, I think a lot about one of our teammates when you talk like this, like Kelly Rudy, like Kelly is one of the greatest goalies of his generation.

And he always talked about, like, the self-doubt. he had to battle. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's the loneliest position. It's like cornerback in football. Yeah. And so, like, what you're saying, I totally understand it, listening to Kelly talk about it for years.

Yeah. Totally get it. Yeah. It's something that you, I mean, yeah, I think you nailed it. I think being a goalie, you're kind of, you're on a team, but you're on your own team as well. You're kind of on an island. but yeah it's very it's very interesting it's been one of the greatest things that's you know it's

helped me in so many different ways in my life that's good I'm glad to hear that sir very good it sounds like it's something that never truly gets perfected either right like it's just it's a constant evolution of finding what works for the individual oh yeah I think that's I I would imagine that's for everybody you know every position as a professional athlete for you guys I mean, we're all trying to be the best that we can possibly be in so many different situations. And it's definitely, it's exactly that. I'm trying to perfect this, knowing that I never will. And that's a fun place to be, though, because you're just, you're constantly trying to find new things to learn and to grow in.

And I think that's an awesome thing about goaltending too, because every time something happens, it's like, okay, well, what can I do about this? how can I solve, you know, this issue? And when you do, it's a very rewarding feeling. And you still believe, right? Like, you still believe in yourself that you're getting there. You're going in the right direction. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay.

I certainly believe in myself. I certainly believe that I'm going in the right direction. And that's my process. Just keep on getting better and keep on growing. And every single day is just, you know, another day for me to learn something or to get better. at some sort of thing, whether that's mental, emotional, or, you know, physical. But yeah, I definitely believe in myself.

Just, you know, with the Olympics, do you have a memory growing up watching? With the Olympics, I mean, I'm sure you got this answer a lot, but Vancouver and, yeah, said the kid and, oh, yeah, there's definitely all of those memories. But I'd love to make some of my own. Yeah. Like, do you remember, like, so you would have been, I guess, the Luongo era of, like, him being the goalie? Like, would you have meant, I remembered much of Broder when he was the guy? Yep, I remembered Broder, not as much as Luongo, but I remember those.

Well, I remember Ryan Miller on U.S. Of course, yeah. Yeah, I mean, just incredible games to watch, no? Yeah. I still remember, I was wondering if you would think of. but you're probably too young and O2 Broder made a sliding save

on Brett Hall in O2 that happened right in front of me I can still see it as it happened That's amazing That must have been a cool moment Oh I like So I wonder like I can understand

Why you'd pick Crosby Because every Canadian's going to pick Crosby Yeah But I was wondering if you would remember like a save Like a save Honestly, no not really Yeah I can't really think of like a

Pacific save. Who did Lungo just before the Crosby goal, right? Who was it? No, remember he got it with the... No, remember it was like just kind of a broken play of the shot from the blue line. Yeah. And I guess Ron Wilson tells a story from their vantage point they thought it was going in. And like just the last second he like got up enough of his shoulder.

And then the buck went down the other end and we all know how it ended. That's got to be a great feeling watching that from the bench. Like, oh no, and then safe thinking of us, yeah. Yes, yes. What would that mean to you to represent Canada? Oh, it'd be amazing. I mean the world to me. I think it's something that you've, as a kid,

you always think about, you know, two things playing in the NHL and, you know, being an Olympian. I think that'd be really cool to have that on the resume. It'd be pretty sweet. Did you watch much of the Four Nations? I did, yeah, I watched pretty well the whole thing. some of the best hockey that you can watch

it was pretty incredible and obviously an iconic start with the US and Canada going a few fights right right away it was pretty fun very entertaining we've got to wrap up

but how did you like the intermissions the intermissions were they good well they were great all right just checked he answered the way you wanted his answer I don't think that's really how he felt

thanks so much too And the tattoo is beautiful. Okay, thanks once again to Stuart Skinner and thanks to all of you for making it to the end of another edition of 32 Thoughts, the podcast, only so many hours in a day, and we appreciate you spending a few of them here with us.

If you can believe it, tomorrow, first preseason game of the calendar across the NHL. Wow, that came up fast. St. Louis and Dallas from American Airlines Center. You are gearing up for the first preseason game on SportsNet Sunday afternoon, a matinee from Ottawa, Elliot.

You've got the Maple Leafs and the Senators at 3 Eastern 12 Pacific on SportsNet 1. Will you be, like, for old time's sake, will you be cheering for the senators in this game? Yes. The Senators' pajamas that I've had locked away, too afraid to wear in Ottawa for fear of bias, I can rock openly now that I'm in the West.

The pajamas that came with the, purchase of a house out there, as you suggested. I can wear them guilt-free now, Elliot. I can wear them guilt-free. No better time to start than Sunday. So yeah, have a great first show. That'll do it for us. Until Monday, everybody, have a great weekend.

And we'll talk to you then.