32 Thoughts: The Podcast - The Rat Pack Is Dragged Back To Edmonton

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

We have a series! In this edition of 32 Thoughts, Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman revisit Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Final that saw the Edmonton Oilers force a Game 6 in Edmonton on Friday night against the Florida Panthers. Afterwards, Jeff and Elliotte delve into the news, beginning with Filip Hronek's extension with the Vancouver Canucks (20:45). Elliotte also provides an update on a potential Jaccob Slavin extension with the Carolina Hurricanes (24:43), and which teams have shown interest in trading for Patrik Laine (26:08). Then, Elliotte expands on a possible Jeff Skinner buyout (30:23), and the details behind Barclay Goodrow being placed on waivers (34:27). The fellas also touch on the building interest in Viktor Arvidsson (39:00), and then discuss the Columbus Blue Jackets letting go of Head Coach Pascal Vincent (40:09). They also touch on Utah HC hiring Chris Armstrong as their President of Hockey Ops (44:20). Jeff and Elliotte marvel at Eric Tulsky's impressive resume (46:07) and wrap the opening segment by highlighting NHL prospect Ivan Demidov.The guys answer your questions in the Montana’s Thought Line (58:06).Jeff and Elliotte put a bow on this edition of the podcast by running through the Hockey Night Panel's intense workout regimen (1:06:11). Email the podcast at [e-mail] or call the Montana's Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemailThis podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

This is so little, little kitty. This is how whiny Kevin is. Okay. He's like, well, I had to put it up to 15 right away. So I couldn't get it up to a four on the speed. Like it sounded exactly like that. Like that's whiny. Elliot, there will be no gentlemen sweep instead.

As Connor McDavid has said, the Florida Panthers are getting dragged back to Alberta Game 6 on Friday. Welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast presented by the GMC Sierra Elevation. Elliot, you and I are pretty much the same age, really, and we both grew up watching Wayne Gretzky.

Saw a lot of Wayne Gretzky games, regular season games, playoff games, Canada Cups, we saw a lot of Wayne Gretzky games, regular season games, playoff games, Canada Cups. We saw a lot of Wayne Gretzky. And at a certain point, he just stopped being able to say anything about Wayne Gretzky. There was like nothing more you could add to what has already been like, you just couldn't say anything anymore. It's like, how am I going to top what I just said about Wayne Gretzky five minutes ago? We're there with Conor McDavid now, aren't we?

First of all, Jeff, we should say now we have a series. We do. Even when it was 3-1, we did not have a series. That wasn't really a series. Now we've got a series. This is very real. And Game 6 in Edmonton, that whole night is going to be a banger i'm not going to be so bold as kelly rudy to say we're coming back to florida we're guaranteed good on kelly like kelly really put himself out there i'm not doing that yet but we have a series now and florida

for the first time in the playoffs florida's got to be feeling it uh they wiped out tampa they were the better team against Boston. I never really thought they were in trouble there. And even against the Rangers, I didn't think they were in big trouble. I thought they really carried the play. Now, even though they're up three to two, I think they're in a little bit of trouble. To me, this is the most pressure that Florida is going to feel because the next couple of days, all they're going to hear is, do you guys are you guys hearing the footsteps? So I do think it goes on them a little bit. As for McDavid, I mean, the only thing you can really say, there's two things.

He is breaking records that I never thought would be broken. I never thought we'd see Gretzky's 31 assist playoff erased it's over and I don't care that Gretzky played fewer games I don't care at all it's a different game now and the fact he's even within striking distance of Gretzky's 47 points it is unbelievable to me watching Gretzky at his peak in the 80s, I never thought we'd see anybody in the same universe as him. But here we are. I feel, and I don't have a vote this year,

I feel the consmith is over. Win or lose, I think McDavid has won it. The voters may disagree. They have a bit more power on this than I do. But my personal feeling is it's over and he has won it the voters may disagree they have a bit more power on this than i do but my personal feeling is it's over and he has won it we'll see and the other thing too is a couple people texted me about this obviously the offense gets all the attention it's sexy however he's making some great defensive plays too like just great defensive plays some stick checks some battles he's not just doing this on the offensive end of the ice he's making really really good defensive plays and it reminded me of at the end of the game when he scored the empty netter i remember as a kid in my house

league hockey team we we back when there were ties jeff we had a lead with an empty net i i can remember this like it's yesterday and another player on our team uh we we shot the puck down the ice a guy made a similar diving play as Kachok, which was an incredible effort. And he was lying in the net. And one of my teammates shot it very weakly because he didn't want to hurt the guy. And it didn't go in and they scored and we lost the one point. It was like a tie game. And I remember our coach screaming at us and saying, like in a kind of funny way,

it wasn't abusive or anything but he was saying like next time that happens you put it through the guy we gotta win the game and we're like nine years old it was it was really funny like he was laughing and you put it through the guy you gotta you gotta win the game and i don't care where Kachuk was in the net. McDavid was putting that through. Like, that was going in the net. Like, he's got the killer instinct going. There are a couple of questions on Twitter that I got.

I'm sure you got in your timeline as well, asking if Kachuk knocks the net off, what's the call there? And the call is that the Florida Panthers touch the puck, the whistle blows. But with the Oilers having possession, if they shoot it on net, even with the net off, and it goes in in between where the post should be. Yes, that's a goal.

That's a goal. That's a goal. Just so everyone's on the same page. That would have been the ruling if Chuck would have knocked the net off the moorings. Anyhow, continue. You know, I just want to say um you know you said something i think a lot of people said it but i heard you say it on your radio show at the top of your show on on

tuesday and that is that stewart skinner was going to win or lose that game for edmonton in the first first 10 minutes and and he won it and you, it should be mentioned, Edmonton had a glorious chance on the first shift. And Bobrovsky made a huge save. Yeah. Oh, 15 seconds in. Bobrovsky made a huge save right in. And then the onslaught began. And Skinner was incredible.

And the thing I really want to say about Skinner is, what he has taught us is that he's a really nice guy. He talks on game days. He's very thoughtful, but he's competitive as hell. He was getting two series ago, he was getting buried. Look at his record now as series go deeper. He's lights out. He's been late in series.

He doesn't lose and the thing that says to me is i always say to people polite but firm that people who are nice people they have difficulty either negotiating for themselves or standing up for themselves and i always and i struggle with that especially early or in life and i say like you can be mean but you can also be polite but firm and Stuart Skinner is polite but firm he's super competitive he he cares a lot like like everything he's shown in this playoff says to me that he has the makeup to be an extremely successful goalie he may not have the high ceiling of some of the other goalies but he's a fighter and he's shown he's a fighter and he's you know and he saved that game for edmonton early and late like i'm not going to lie to you jeff when they made it four to

one i said to dave sitting out there in our perch i said the one thing you can't do if you're here if you're edmonton is you can't give up a quick goal and florida went right down the ice and scored i was like oh man by the way that guy has played great rodriguez played great yes um but so i was like oh this is really bad and then when you know they scored to make it four to three early in the third, I bet you there isn't an Oiler fan alive who didn't think Florida was going to tie it and at least send it to overtime at some point. But he really stood strong, Skinner.

He was fantastic. It was just a great game, a competitive, hard, entertaining, by far the best game of the series. There were a lot of guys on both teams tonight who played their hearts out. It was just... Matthew Kachuk. Yeah, the effort he made on that goal.

You know, Carter Verhage, when Janmark hit the post, Amber turns to me and goes, Colton Sissons. And I was thinking it too. And he also thought about he also brought up the u.s women hitting the post in the 2014 gold medal game in sochi thank you but you watch like yam mark had another chance to score and carter verhage like wrote him off the puck so he he couldn't do it like the amount of players in this game who played, who gave it everything they had.

Like, I know the Panthers fans are sitting here and they're annoyed, but like there were very few guys who didn't give you the best in that game. It was just a great, great hockey game. And I'll tell you something else, Jeff. You know, someone said to me, we've been talking about the dakota

joshuas and the martin hooks and the nasons of the world and and the william carrier's and those guys you know someone texted me after the game tonight and they said you know connor brown he was like roadkill during the season people were just completely giving up on him you know what's he doing for himself now and they said matthias yanmark um what's he doing for himself now like those guys are making themselves extra hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars by what they're doing on the penalty kill in these play in this final i'm glad you mentioned connor brown so there's um there's one coach that I'm friendly with and we, during these games,

we'll send texts back and forth. And he sent me a video of the Connor Brown goal. And he said, essentially, this is brilliant. And he broke it down on this clip and he said, watch Connor Brown when he's killing the penalty. He doesn't go all the way up to the blue line. He's back a little bit, so he's not over committing, but he's still in position where his stick can be effective.

A lot of guys might challenge to one of the points, might challenge up high. And he said, that's just going to open up lanes underneath. And then the Oilers are in real trouble. He says, Connor Brown played that perfectly. He was in the perfect position, not over committing, in real trouble. He says, Connor Brown played that perfectly by, he was in the perfect position, not overcommitting,

not going up too high. He deflects the puck, leads to the breakaway, completely stretches out Bobrovsky. Like, think about that for a second. Think of the pressure that you're under and then have the poise

that Connor Brown did to stretch Bobrovsky out all the way across the nets before tucking that in. Like it's, it's not the spectacular play that Connor McDavid made later on. We'll get there. But that Connor Brown play is technical perfection in how you kill a penalty and how you create a turnover.

And don't forget to- And he listened to Gretzky. And he listened to Gretzky. And he listened to Gretzky. And let's not forget, too, on that Yanmark chance that you talked about earlier, like 15 seconds in, who makes the beautiful pass? It's Connor Brown. Like, this Connor Brown story continues to pick up

more and more steam, and it gets better and better each and every game. Now, the Corey Perry goal. With the Connor McDavid play. my first thought was wilkinson chambers mario lemieux pittsburgh penguins minnesota north stars did you have that same vibe about this one the way that connor mcdavid just sliced and diced micola and kulikov there's that goal i think of but the other one i think of, which is not exactly the same, but it's Lemieux on Ray Bork.

That's the other one I think of a lot. Just turned him around. Yeah, it wasn't one on two, but it was an incredible goal. Like everything, as you said before, like what else do you say about this guy? What I really liked was the smile after the three nothing goal the one he put

through bobrovsky's legs because that was like a goal scorer's goal and that was that when i saw the way he kind of smiled and smirked after that one to me that was mcdavid's way of we're gonna get these guys like normally he's so fired up but it was just a calm smile like that said to me this is a guy who's completely in control of this series right now yeah can i let me let me take a little detour on that three nothing goal the conor mcdavid goal so i don't know i don't know if kevin woodley himself controls the in goal magazine twitter feed but probably he probably hijacked it but but maybe i mean his company man he's he's he's growing that thing root to the fruit good for him yeah yeah dynamic and great so in goal magazine on that goal because brofsky stays up and hugs

the post old school so in goal magazine sends out the tweet this will be our response from now on whenever someone responds to any reverse vh goal with quote just stand up and no this is not a bob critique very uncharacteristic of his tactics if you look at bob that's the old school way to play that shot and it goes right underneath the stick. How many times have you seen the reverse VH there and we complain? Oh, it's like, you know, Jack Hughes banks it off the goaltender's mask or it goes up high. Somehow it gets in.

You say, just stand up. Well, look at the goalie that just stood up and look what Conor McDavid just did to him. I thought it was interesting that in goal magazine of all places, like the premium magazine for goaltenders. places, like the premium said the same thing. Oh, did he? Yeah,

I think so. It surprised me. It's late. I'm not checking. I'll just go with it. We'll just give it to Marty Buran and, and, and move on.

Um, but the smile, the smile was something because as we used to talk about with Nathan McKinnon until he won the Stanley cup, we weren't sure that he had upper teeth. And I think we can say the same thing about Connor McDavid. That's pretty funny. I don't know.

I mean, it's, it's just been incredible to watch. It was, I'll, like I said, I'll say it again. I thought when it was four,

three Panthers were going to tie it. There was one that was deflected wide of the net that everybody in the building thought was in, and it went bananas for about a half second. It was just, everything about that game was great. It was great. It was fun. It was a great, competitive, hard game.

And I'll say something else too, Jeff. One thing you notice now is that, you know, Bennett, he's starting to, you know, one of the stories from the beginning of the series was the friendship of those two guys. Bennett is starting to run David a little bit more. Like, it's almost like at the beginning, he was like, I know what i have to do but

not exactly the uh minor midget toronto marley is going up against robbie fabry and the mississauga rebels anymore here elliott's no no no he's he's starting to make uh take a couple more like there was a big one in the second period and even mcdavid took a shot mcdavid gave it back to him yeah which i liked i'm all for that but i uh i don't know i mean the other one here too like you know if you know edmonton you remember ken holland said pre-game game four that they hoped they were gonna have kane back again you know if you're edmonton and he's ready to go as good as he is can you change your lineup they're playing so good right yeah i would not touch it i would not move this thing an inch to the left or an inch to the right yeah i get it the way it is i i know it's vander kane and power

forward and what he can bring i don't know that I would touch any of this. Now, there is one person, and I can understand the frustration. There is one person who's really not enjoying himself right now, and that's Bill Zito, the general manager of the Florida Panthers, who we've talked about death stares before, and normally that's reserved for coaches,

and there have been some that have some great death stares, but I don't know that I've seen a death stare that good like we saw Bill Zito at the end of the game. Yeah, he chucked the water bottle. There's a frustration, whatever, release valve, but to me, it was the stare. Like the just like, you know, like as a manager, like your work is all done.

You can't control things anymore, and you're just watching, and you're getting angrier and angrier, connor is like eight points in two games and you can do nothing about it all i'm saying is i recognize it and i understand it i really understand it my feeling on that is these people are competitive and you're right they don't have any control over it so it's a lot harder oh torture the one thing i don't have any problem with his reaction at all the one thing i thought about was it just shows what we talked about earlier which is the pressure is ramping up yeah like now like it's interesting like kevin we were talking about this in the drive back home to the hotel,

and Kevin was saying, they still got to beat you twice more. And he's right. I understand how he thinks about that. But the wheel does start to grind. And now it's going to grind. Like I said, I don't think it was there after game four. It's 3- three one you're the panthers you're a hell of a team to me that was that was nothing now it's something the um one

thing we should mention as well at around the midway point of the second period the florida panthers kind of woke up here and they carried that right to the end. I know we're talking a lot about the Edmonton Oilers, and it's a fantastic story, and here we go getting to game six. But let's not forget here, and Paul Maurice talked about this in the postgame where he said something along the lines of, you know, Edmonton only had six shots in the third. We played really well. We got in some penalty trouble and things we can clean up.

I can't remember exactly what he said but somebody to that effect let's not forget here that when the panthers woke up in this game it was trouble and they gave yes it was they gave ed edmondson everything yes they did that they that they wanted like let's not think that this is just going to be the uh the proverbial layup the two-foot putt here for the edmonton oilers on friday and when florida woke up man that game got real hard yeah like he got like it was a hard game for the uh for the florida panthers early and then it got hard for the edmonton owners and and and they hung on and and won this one that's why i think this sets up a great friday and elliot, you know how whenever we would talk to Yarmulke Kalanen,

he would talk about the CBA and he would say, well, you know, sometimes you have the advantage and you should use it. You have the hammer, you should use it. Sometimes the other side has the hammer and they should use it. You know who has the hammer right now? Who's that? Shania Twain. I was wondering if you were gonna bring this up again they have to bring her back don't they like Daryl case pull some money off

the tree in the backyard you got to get Shania back for game six don't you I don't know if she's on tour I don't know what her schedule is I have no idea what goes on in Twain's life but you kind of have to bring her back yeah you probably do yes i would say you probably do by the way the the other thing i'll say is i heard the travel wasn't easy for the families uh like it was just a long day they flew in day of they flew home after the game so it was just a long day. They flew in day of, they flew home after the game. So it was basically two long flights and the game in 24 hours. I think they landed at 7 a.m.

the morning after game four. And I have no doubt that some of the families were like, let's win it here so we don't have to have that tough travel again. And now they're going to have that tough travel again. I'm sure Boilers fans, their hearts will really be bleeding for them.

And they're all broken hearted. Everybody makes sacrifices this time of year. The cup's on the line. The cup will once again be in the building on Friday. Okay, Elliot, from there we'll go to the news. And the news is pretty big around Vancouver. And they have secured one half of their first pair. Filip Hronik, eight-year contract.

7.25 is the AAV on this one. Listen, we've talked plenty about Lindholm and Zdorov and Myers, etc. We've wondered if they were going to be able to get Roenick done, and they did on Tuesday. Your thoughts on this deal? It's just a lesson. Sometimes you just let things sort of slide through your fingers.

We're so tied into and connected to and thinking about all of the Canucks unrestricted free agents that you remember that, you know what, there's restricted guys too you got to deal with too. And so, you know, you're looking at Zdorov, you're looking at Lindholm, you're looking at Joshua, you're looking at Myers, you're looking at all of a sudden the Gensel rumors. And of course, the first guy that gets done is Roenick. And what it is, it's a reminder that they consider him very important to their team for an awful, awful long time. I think it's a very fair contract. You know, I don't think that

Roenick was going to get more than this if he wanted to stay in Vancouver. I think this is as far as Vancouver was willing to go. I think that at time they had some really tough Negotiations but to me that's part of it is that you know The agent digs in tight team digs in tight you want to see how far you can push each other But eventually you get to a point where if everybody wants to stay and they want the marriage to continue They find the happy ground and I think for Vancouver this was really as far as they were willing to go. I think the best thing for the Canucks is that if you look at it for the Canucks now, between Roenick and Quinn Hughes, which at times is your number one pair, I know they kind of mix and match a little bit, but you look at them and you've got them tied up

for $15 million for the next three years. You can deal with that. You can really deal with that. So I have no problems with the contract. Now, look, you know I do a lot of on-air stuff in Vancouver. I'm on with you four times a week i'm on with uh rick and donnie every two weeks i was on with bick yesterday after he signed and all the podcasting we do look i'll just say this there is a lot of craziness coming out of vancouver as there usually is. So, you know, I mean, you can find what I've said, and I'm very curious to see how it all plays out. The one thing I do think is that I do think Rutherford aims high. You know, the Gensel stuff I find very interesting. I have no doubt.

Remember, at the deadline, they wanted to be involved in him. They just didn't do it. I have no doubt they would want to be involved in someone like that. There is just a lot of conflicting information coming out of what Vancouver is going to do right now. And I've contributed enough to it. So I'm going to just let it play out over the next couple days and see what I hear and don't hear because there's some guys you're hearing

they're gone or they can't do it there's other guys not so fast and even some of the guys you hear they're gone you're like not so fast so I'm just going to let this play it over the next little while but I I have no doubt the Canucks will aim high and be aggressive. No. What does this mean for Lindholm, Sidorov, Myers, and Besser can be redone on July 1st? We want answers now, Elliot. No, Jeff.

I'm just going to let this play out for a change and not dump dirt on myself. Now, the other thing I wanted to mention is we have talked about Slavin, and the fact that the belief is he will have an extension done July 1st I don't know about structure or anything like that but I have heard the word is Slavin who is extension is going to kick in after next season when he is 31 years old,

is going to come in around eight times 6.5. That's a great deal. That's a great deal for the Carolina Hurricanes. For that defenseman, I know I'm biased, but I think that's a fantastic deal for Jacob Slavin. I'll say this. It's really interesting that Carolina really hedges against age. I always say, you know your player the best.

And that says to me that Carolina really believes in him. That is a very good deal um one of the other uh players that we're wondering about here lately and we're all trying to okay figure out where the right fit is is patrick liney of the columbus blue jackets or should we say soon to be x of the col Blue Jackets? Do you have a spidey sense lately on what teams might be warm to him? I have a few people who said to me, you have to watch Seattle on this one. And that doesn't come as a surprise because the Kraken have been looking for scorers, right? That is the team.

Whenever we talk about someone looking for a score, I mean, everybody is, but we mentioned Seattle in particular. Well, they had a 20-goal score in Daniel Sprong, but they let him go, Elliot, but I digress. You're just never going to let that go. No, no, no. But the other thing, too, is Seattle can do it. They're a team that can do this deal.

And also, too, Ron Francis is not crazy about wild contracts. Two times 8.7, and we'll see what Columbus may have to do to make this work. That's not insane for the Kraken. And it's not insane for Ron Francis. And I think the other thing here, too, is that as we talked about with the coaching change there from Haxtell to Bilesma, I think there is a real push in that organization to be more aggressive. organization to be more aggressive and i see line a as something that makes sense there for the people who want to be more aggressive and the people who prefer to be a little bit conservative because i don't think his contract breaks you or is overly risky so that that's Seattle is one of the teams

I'm really wondering about there for lining. Speaking of Seattle, real quick note, we've been following along the American Hockey League Calder Cup finals and Coachella Valley in game three, first game back home. Man, did they ever lay a thumping on the Hershey Bears. Final score is six to two. Shane Wright, two goals, one assist.

In this one, they now grab a 2-1 series lead, just adding on to the Seattle conversation there. Now, speaking of the American Hockey League, now last podcast we had mentioned Cam Abbott and the speculation about him going into AHL Chicago. And we mentioned the reverse Sedins and all that, and that was a lot of fun. But there's still some vacancies here

and still some names that are very much out there, Elliot's. And one of the things that's kind of happened here is Grant Patalny has left Northern Michigan. Yeah. And there are a lot of people wondering where he's going to end up. And I've heard a couple of different places.

I heard Hartford. I heard that. See, that was the first thing that I heard. And then I had also heard Wilkes-Barre. But then I remembered our conversation as well previous about John Snowden and Wilkes-Barre. So now I really don't know what to believe what's going on in the American Hockey League with some of these vacancies. And then who knows what's going to happen to todd nelson at the end

of all of this hershey bears head coach who knows i like i said i really believe i heard the patoni was going to hartford we'll see okay and so we did mention john snowden who has a history with kyle dubas as wilkes-bararre I heard the same thing but I got thrown a new name uh Kirk McDonald who was coaching Dubuque in the USHL so I heard his name during uh the Stanley Cup final game on on Tuesday night so you know we. I mean, we got lots of names here. We're throwing darts. It's late on a Tuesday night slash Wednesday morning. We're throwing darts.

Just doing the really responsible thing here. Just late at night. Just like throwing names out and attaching them to teams. Just whatever. Before we go to bed, let's just throw some names out there and start some fires, essentially, is what you're saying. Yes. Let's do that. Because it's responsible responsible as you said we're so professional we're so

professional you know elliot pretty soon after the stanley cup is awarded 48 hours later we're talking about buyouts uh on tuesday on the radio show you and i discussed the possibility of a jeff skinner buyout with the buffalo sabers do you you care to expand? First of all, Merrick, I have to say, I almost died laughing on your show when we first talked about it. And you go, throwing a dart, how about Jeff Skinner? Like the two of us haven't been talking about this for two or three days trying to figure out if it's true.

A way to make yourself try to sound really smart. Throwing a dart. As I pointed out before. There are 700 players in the NHL. I'm going to throw a dart and hit this one right on the nose. Look, it landed on Jeff Skinner. Well, the key to sports broadcasting and the key to life in general is sincerity. And once you learn how to fake that, Elliot, you got it made.

These are words that I live by and remain true on Tuesday's broadcast of TJMS. Yeah, it was everything I could not to laugh when you said that. Thank you. So this is something that has been floating around hockey circles for probably, at least it reached my ears about three or four days ago. And the tough thing is that the Sabres aren't saying anything. He's represented by Don Meehan. Don Meehan's keeping quiet about it and what someone else said to me was that you have to

be careful because the buyout window doesn't begin until 48 hours after the stanley cup is awarded so things can always change um so you know that's you know but i do think it was going to get out um it was you know something that more and more people were talking about now you know someone said to me why don't the sabers ask him to waive his no move clause and the thing is is that if you're jeff skinner in this situation and you know the sabers may want to move on from you uh a you want to control things that's what you want to do you want to be in control of the situation so it's so it's probably better for you unless you're absolutely convinced that Buffalo can trade you to a place you want to go it's probably better for you to say, no, just buy me out and let me go to

a place that I want to go. And secondly, his contract is 9 million. If we go to a situation where he's an unrestricted free agent, he can take his buyout which is two-thirds of 22 million dollars over six years and he can pick it at whatever salary he wants skinner has much more control over the situation as an unrestricted free agent getting to pick his destination at his salary so i think that's why buffalo is is kind of in this position. The other interesting thing about it, there's a couple. Number one, for next year, his cap hit would be under $1.5 million using Capitals Friendly. And so it would give Buffalo an extra $7.5 million of cap room. And next year is a huge year for the Sabres.

The other thing that kind of interested me about it too is that they're looking for they're believed to be looking for a couple forwards one one of those edgier depth pieces that we've been talking about but also a top six forward if they could and you know skinner he had 24 goals last year he scored 40 before he scored 30 before. I know the big knock on him is, you know, he's played over a thousand games. He's never made the playoffs, but he can score. So it's a really, really interesting move by the Sabres that will give them a ton of flexibility for next year should it happen. But, you know, I always try to be careful with what I say, unless I a hundred percent. No.

So I can't say a hundred percent. It's going to happen, but it's definitely out there. And I think we're just waiting to see if Buffalo makes a final decision. Good job. Landing that dart. Okay. You know,

Elliot one move on Tuesday. They caught a lot of people by surprise. Although we've all been wondering how the New York Rangers are going to create some cap space here Barkley Goodrow goes on waivers yeah um I don't think this is about performance as much as it is about compensation and price uh what's the backstory on this one there's a few different ways we could go here I mean basically it's a cap move I think that's the most sensible way to do it. Barkley Goodrow, you know, first of all, you know, I pointed out that he had six goals in 16 playoff games this year.

It's his time of year. And people are like, oh, you're trying to give him a soft landing. I had people doing it on social. I had people sending me texts. I'm like, yeah, you know, I hate to kick people when they're down. So I don't mind giving a little bit of love to someone um you know i i think that clearly goudreau would be staying with the rangers if it wasn't for the three years at 3.9 million left they need some flexibility to

do some things and um again if it wasn't for the contract which they signed him to he there this would not even be an issue and if he doesn't get claimed the buyout window doesn't open until 48 hours after the Stanley Cup finals so now the earliest that can be is Sunday I think that's possible he'll be bought out, but there is definitely a lot of smoke around San Jose. Now, here's where that gets a little bit interesting. So, Goodrow has a 15-team no trade, and I would be very curious if San Jose is on it. I don't know. But considering, you know, the season that San Jose just had, it also depending on when his list is due, like there are some players who had to submit new lists recently. There are other players who don't have to do it until July 1st.

I don't know. But what I would wonder is, is this the kind of move, like we know San Jose is looking for veterans. Like one player who's being talked about as a possible buyout is Cam Atkinson, and there's been reports that San Jose was interested in him, and he's not crazy about that right now. So one of the things I'm kind of wondering about here is maybe Goudreau can't be traded to San Jose,

but because he doesn't have a no move clause, it doesn't mean they can, he can't block being claimed by them on waivers. As I was driving to the game on Tuesday night, there were a couple of people who are presenting to me that scenario like i actually had someone call me and ask me like is there any way that good roll could block this could he file like for example if he if san jose was on his no trade list and they claim him on waivers could he file a grievance and like the answer to that is no he he has no recourse about that but i i think that's one thing that everyone's kind of watching uh the the waiver claim is too Eastern. I know there were some teams who suspect that Tampa was hoping he'd get bought out

and he could go back there and they could potentially sign him. But it's a lot easier for New York if it happens this way. We'll see how it all plays out. Todd Marchand. Yes, you should explain that situation. the anaheim ducks so that was a situation where and this was the beginning of the no move clause where he had no trade uh but he was still eligible for waivers and he had declined going to the anaheim Ducks and Doug McLean placed him on waivers. Originally, he cleared. And then there may or may not have been an agreement between Doug McLean and Brian Burke to take said players. Well, it almost got screwed up, right?

And they kind of yelled at each other, right? They were not happy with one another. And then he got placed back on waivers. And we all kind of went, he was just on waivers yesterday. What's going on? And then the the anaheim ducks claimed them and that was the beginning of players having no move clauses as opposed to just no trade clauses for the reason that elliot just mentioned if you have a no trade you can still be waived and other teams can claim you and that includes teams that might be on your no trade list. That's what the no move protects.

And that goes back to the aforementioned deal between, well, two of our former colleagues, Elliot and Doug McLean and Brian Burke. There you go. Another player that we're wondering about and where do we lump him in is Victor Arvidsson. What's the noise around him?

There's a lot of noise around him. Again, I think there's a lot of interest. We talked earlier about the Dakota Joshua's, the Jordan Martinuk's, the Stephan Nason's, those kinds of players who are going to be valuable. I had someone say, you better make sure you throw Arvidsson in that. He's another one of those guys that fills that kind of role, can play up and down the lineup. The issue's been health, but when he was healthy, the Kings were a very different team. I'm hearing quite a bit of Arvidsson out there

in that same group of players, that there's a lot of interest in a guy like that, and it's just going to be a question of where he ends up. Guy can score. No doubt about that. Guy can score. Columbus Blue about that. Guy can score. Columbus Blue Jackets, real tough spot.

Sometimes you're just a victim of circumstance and that's where Pascal Vincent found himself. Mike Babcock in that situation last summer, dismissed from the Columbus Blue Jackets organization.

Pascal Vincent takes over and coached the entire season with the interim tag and then waited and waited. And Don Waddell finally came in as the general manager and the decision made on Monday to release him or relieve him of his duties as interim head coach. He gets fired and you feel bad for him because you watch a lot of openings come and openings go for coaches around the NHL. Just a tough situation all around here, Elliot. It is.

There were some people who weren't that sympathetic. I heard from some people. I saw a little bit of unsocial and I got a couple of texts about it saying that, well, you know, like last year was a mess in Columbus I think that's an easy thing to say I really do you know first of all he wasn't supposed to be the coach Babcock was and secondly he gets thrust from assistant to head on the same team and you and I have talked about that that's the toughest job to do that really is you go from good cop to bad cop and you know players can see it like if you're phony like it's a very hard thing to do without being phony and if you're

phony the players will see it and they'll see right through it and they'll all talk about it and it's very hard to reign that in you will lose the trust of the players and i think that happened to some degree and you know also you know he benched some guys like that was what columbus wanted last year they the the plan before um before babcock was fired was for him to go in there and do just that he was to go in there and make life a little bit uncomfortable and press them hard prepare them to play make sure that the game plan would be good and with Babcock it generally is and and but be hard on them like grind them into a better team and all of a sudden he's out they're in a tough spot you move a guy from assistant coach to head coach but you say hey we need

you to do this like i don't know too many coaches who could have done that some probably could but there aren't many and it was a really impossible spot for vincent to be in and so um you know i'm sure he'll end up on his feet i'm sure he'll go elsewhere um but i i think that there's a lot of coaches like the one thing i will say about this is columbus is a really good job because somebody is going to figure this out and the rewards are going to be great they have good pieces they have a good foundation they're about to get another uh high pick um there there's a lot there to like they have really good young players they have good veterans in their prime they gotta sort out the goaltending like and plus also again the

fan base showed you this year that the rewards are high like if you are successful in Columbus you are God in that town so they will have have no problem. You saw the end of the year. You saw the end of the season, Fridge. Absolutely. You saw the end of the season with the standing ovations. That's a good market. So they are going to have a lineup of people who want that job. Now, I think you're going to hear a lot of names,

the McClellans, the Julians, the Woodcrofts. As I said to you on your show today, there are some people who suspect at the very least waddell might talk to bob hartley you know maybe not even as a coach but as a consultant you know waddell really thinks highly of hartley but there is going to be a long lineup of experienced people uh who are going to want that job like you know can we even through todd nelson's name at us and and you know why not but they're going to want that job. Like, you know, Ken Weave even threw Todd Nelson's name at us. And, you know, why not?

But they're going to want someone with structure who's tough but fair. That's what they're going to be looking for. And they'll have no shortage of people throwing themselves at Buckeye Central to get that job. A couple of names to throw out at you. We've talked about Chris Armstrong before.

Yep. Now ex of Wasserman. Now with Utah as the president of hockey operations. We've mentioned him a couple of times, taken that spot and there it is. Elliott, Utah gets another. Yeah, and it's a guy with another, like today we saw it, or Tuesday.

What day is today, Tuesday? I can't remember what day it is anymore. So Tuesday, we saw two kind of different hires. Eric Tulsky in Carolina with his 4,600 patents and Chris Armstrong in Utah. What a resume. Who was an agent primarily in golf. Golf and Kyle Dubas. I hope for Armstrong's sake,

he got himself as good a deal as he got Dubas. But, you know, I don't think that's a huge surprise. He was seen with Bill Armstrong, the GM, during the playoffs. Ryan Smith really trusts him. I still think they're going to look at someone else as an experienced advisor, consultant. I don't know what they're going to call it there. So I don't think Armstrong Chris is the last front office hire. But he's a really bright guy.

And Ryan Smith really trusts him. So I don't think anyone is shocked at all. Just as the same in Carolina, where Tulsky's a very bright guy, Tom Dundon trusts him. So I don't think anybody is surprised at all. I thought, like I said, at the beginning of the process, I think Carolina opened it up to the possibility that a more experienced person could do that role kind of as not the power voice, but as the facilitator and the information gatherer. But they interviewed Yarmulke Kalan, and I do think that he was considered for that position. But ultimately, it's Tulsky's job.

And I still think they're going to hire more people in Carolina too, but I don't think anyone is surprised. You know, it's one of my favorite paragraphs in the history of NHL press releases, the part of the Carolina release that outlines the bio. And just so all of our listeners get a sense of what we're talking about here with Eric Tulsky, now the general manager of the Carolina Hurricanes, Elliot, this one's awesome. The Philadelphia, Pennsylvania native holds a BA in chemistry and physics from Harvard University and a PhD in chemistry from the University of California, Berkeley. He also conducted a two-year postdoctoral study at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D.C. Tulsky previously worked in the high-tech industry for 12 years, managing teams of researchers focused on using nanotechnology to solve problems in DNA sequencing, solar energy displays, and energy storage.

And then you referenced this a second ago, he currently holds 27 U.S. patents. Elliot, he's not just overqualified for an NHL job. I would submit he's overqualified for most jobs in the world, let alone hockey. I have to say, Jeff, he makes you sound like a total loser. Oh, but you get a free pass. You and Tulsk are on the same brain length here. You and Tulsk are on the same brain length here? Okay. All right. Very good. That is, that's remarkable.

And I thought your perspective on it on the radio show on Tuesday was interesting as well. That the passion for sports is a real draw. I can't remember which owner it was. It was a baseball owner. I think maybe Texas Rangers in an article I read years ago who brought up something that was really eye-opening. He said, look, I became a billionaire in the oil industry and it became rich beyond my wildest dreams,

but it wasn't until I bought a baseball team that I could pick up a phone and get a reservation at any restaurant I wanted because now I was a sports owner. Like that has a, that has a cachet that comes along with it that just like miscellaneous, you know, oil baron doesn't. And look at, Tulsky could do whatever he wants and he chooses. I have met several young people who want to go into sports who tell me well i could go into finance or i could go into tech and i can make a lot more money like why would i want to start out say making i'll just throw a number out there

fifty thousand dollars where i can go on to bay street or wall street and i can make millions and i say you should do whatever makes you happy like i don't like to give people advice my answer to this my answer to these people is always this what do you want to do and if the answer is i want to make the most money i say good on you i've got no problem with that you shouldn't do that here but sometimes the answer will be, I really love sports. I really want to run a team. And then my answers to that are twofold. You can go and do that now and make more money, make bank, and either build a name for yourself and come back as a successful businessman or trader or whatever you want to be. Or you can just say, you know what, this is my dream. That

other job will always be there and I'm going to chase it for less money. Now, Eric did it the other way. He did all of his other stuff first and then came back. But you would be surprised at how many people say, you know what, I'm going to do this for a few years and see where I go to see where I can latch onto my dream. And you almost always forfeit money in these situations. I can't think of anybody who chases it right at the beginning who doesn't leave any money on the table. But there's a reason fantasy sports are so successful, Jeff, because we all want to be general managers. We all want to do this. And the pull is very strong.

The lure is very strong and chris armstrong is another guy he built himself up in another business and ended up here and maybe that's going to be the way that more people decide to go because usually if you don't work from the ground up you kind of close off that avenue maybe this is a, but never underestimate the pull of running a sports team and how that can get people to make those decisions. Like Dan Schulman, a slightly different example. He was an actuary. And I've heard, I heard Dan Schulman's audition tape. Scott Metcalf played it for me from when he called Western basketball games.

He sent to the fan. It's the best audition tape that's ever been done anywhere. But he was a guy. He quit that for this. And I still remember, as I've told you, I don't have my university degree yet. I remember, so I was an English major. You had to take another language at Western. I was taking French.

I remember when I called my dad and told him I was dropping French. He was so disappointed in me. I made two decisions. Number one, I'm still doing this. And number two, I'm never telling my dad I'm doing anything ever again. It's just not worth the aggravation. Going back to your part about everybody wants to be a general manager, that's one of the nice things, Elliot, about living in Canada,

is there are just under 39 million general managers in this country. And one final wrap up on Eric Tulsky. Reading that bio this morning when it came out, I thought of one of my favorite lines from the movie Slapshots, and it goes like this. Look at Ned. He doesn't need hockey look at eric tulsky he doesn't need hockey congratulations eric on the uh on the position you're waxing so poetic about him i'm worried you're gonna hang up and go look for his tinder profile never date in hockey never date in hockey never just a couple more things before we wrap up um i wanted to shout out eric francis because eric francis uh got craig conroy on the record on our website really good piece yes talking about jacob marstrom he's never come and said he wants out that's never been

mentioned he's never said that so first first of all, shout out to Eric for getting Craig on the record about that. My opinion on this is that I think Markstrom has made it very clear he wants to play for a winner. So I think Conroy knows how Markstrom feels. I think he also knows Markstrom does not want a repeat of the craziness of last year. I think he's well aware of it. And thirdly, whenever I read a quote like that, this is where I say that a good agent makes a big difference. Now, Markstrom is represented by Pat Morris, who is one of the toughest agents out there. And that I would suspect that this is where, like, Pat Morris is incredibly protective of his client, like a lot of agents are. The only times I've ever really had issues with Pat is when he feels I have been unfair in putting his clients in a tough situation.

he feels I have been unfair in putting his clients in a tough situation. So this is where I would think the agent would play a critical role in saying, look, I'm going to handle this for you. And so, but I think that the Flumes know that if they're going to any kind of rebuild, that's not what Markstrom wants at this point in his career. Real quick before I wrap up here, Elliot, Ivan Demidov. Now this is, I mean, geez, you want to talk about elite level forward talent for this year's draft. He's it.

Some speculation he might be one year away from playing in the NHL. We'll see what happens. And one of the news stories coming out on Tuesday, his new height. Yes. Six foot one. one thoughts on this so he's represented by dan milstein who's got a whole bunch of players uh prospects uh down in the florida south florida not far from where we are um and uh he's working them out for all 32 teams actually i should say this because i don't want to get anybody in trouble. The NHL sent out a memo of what teams were allowed to do here.

If a player was invited to a combine, you're not allowed to test them. But if a player was not invited to a combine, you are allowed to test them. That's the way this goes. But one of the things that happened here, and there were a number of media members there, I saw Sean Shapiro writing from there,

was Davidov's height and because you know i guess there were some rumors he's about 5 10 and the reports there said said he's actually closer to six foot one and i guess all the teams are there and a bunch of gms are there so it's a pretty big thing there's a couple other players specifically russians that people haven't seen a lot of. Now, I will say this. I have one team that told me that they believe that the word around the league is there is another team out there that wants Demidov really badly

that is spreading all of these nasty rumors about him that he's short or he won't be able to come over the NHL because they want Demidov to drop to them i always remember what is the biggest lesson i learned about the draft from isaiah thomas who was the first gm i ever covered with the raptors around the draft everybody lies everybody so it's the thing you always remember. But this guy said to me that he believes there's teams like spinning negativity about Demidov because they want him to drop. What did I say earlier about sincerity?

Once you learn how to fake that, you got it made. See everything. Yeah, but with everybody there for this kid, it's going to be harder to do that. Okay, anything else before I wrap up? Yeah, you know, I just wanted to note something. You know, Ryan Worsofsky got hired as the head coach of the Sharks. We've talked about that,

but they had his introductory press conference, which I thought was very good, very emotional. But in it, I wanted to point out two things that Mike Greer said number one he's not treading Logan Couture and number two is that he said that the finalists were not Worshawski and Marco Sturm he said that was incorrect and because I was one of the people that said that I figured I should say that that's what Greer pointed out. Now, we did mention that Neil Graham, who's the head coach at AHL Texas, we believe went deep into this process.

So I do think he was in the mix as well. But, you know, I do want to mention that from Greer because, A, I'd said it. B, I would definitely concede that he probably knows better than I do. And C, I would also concede that if I argued with Greer and he punched me in the face, it would probably hurt. So I want to put that out there. Yes, congratulations to Ryan Worsofsky. Also, congratulations to the South Carolina Stingrays,

who have now sent three... Yeah, that was a good poll by you. Three head coaches into the NHL. Jared Bednar, Colorado, Spencer Carberry, Washington, and now Ryan Orsofsky of the San Jose Sharks. Had a nice conversation with him on the radio show on Tuesday.

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He says, I am the Newfoundlander Elliot was talking about with the sign getting Connor to sign at the lights. Thanks for the shout out during intermission last night in game four. Looks like I gave McDavid some magic LOL. It was nice to meet you, Elliot. Have a thought on that, Elliot. Brad, the Newfoundlander you talked about.

Brad, I'm glad you had a great trip. I'm glad Connor signed your sign and I'm surprised he didn't fly you to Florida for game five knowing how superstitious he is should take Shania Twain everywhere is what he should do that's amazing luck for the Oilers okay Chris and Savannah from Abbotsford BC hello gentlemen day one fan of the pod here wow I've been a fan of the game for 30 plus years and during game one of the finals, Philip, that would be Pritchard, brought the cup out and it was an amazing surprise. My wife asked me, what does quote,

the cup keeper guy do when he isn't escorting the Stanley Cup around? I didn't have an answer for her. So our question is, what does Mr. Pritchard do when he isn't transporting the cup around? He's probably on vacation, to be honest, because it's a full-time job. There's the times you see the Stanley Cup out there, and there's lots of Stanley Cup is at places where you don't see it.

Events, parties, other hockey-related goings-on. Craig Campbell is the other person. we know we know mike bolt you and i jeff but i haven't seen mike during the stanley cup final i have seen craig campbell who along with phil and mike is another uh keeper of the cup as a matter of fact i think ron showed it on our hit on sunday but on the charter that about 60 or 70 of us are taking between Edmonton and Fort Lauderdale, they had the Stanley Cup with them. And the crew, the pilots and the staff, like just a great crew treated us so well. They took photos with the Stanley Cup when we landed in Fort Lauderdale on Sunday afternoon. They took it out of the case and let the crew take pictures with it.

afternoon they took it out of the case and let the crew take pictures with it so that's your answer he's doing it a lot more than you even see so when he's not taking the Stanley Cup around he's either working at the Hockey Hall of Fame or he's getting a tan somewhere there's a lot of work at the Resource Center like he's a VP at the Resource Center and I'm glad you mentioned Craig Campbell as well because he's a manager over at the Research Center. And I'm glad you mentioned Craig Campbell as well, because he's a manager over at the Research Center. Like the Research Center is like Toys R Us for me. Like, you know what Toys R Us is like for kids? The Hockey Hall of Fame Resource Center is a huge one for yours, truly. Haven't been there in a while, but I am overdue for a visit. And I got to say one thing about Phil Pritchard. It's part apology and part praise. I bugged that guy so much with texts about hockey questions,

like historical hockey questions. Phil is a walking encyclopedia. He's a great hockey historian himself, and he is always gracious. And even though I know that it sometimes, okay, maybe always annoys him when I send him inane texts, he always says, no, no, no, it's okay. Stuff like this, you know, is good. I never think this way.

I've never considered something like that. So he's someone that even though he's, you know, brought a lot to the Hockey Hall of Fame, read a lot, seen a lot, still remains curious and obviously still remains very interested in the Stanley Cup and hockey history. So the apology part is sorry, Phil,

I'll try not to text you so much with crazy questions next year, knowing full well that is a 100, no 100. Listen, I can lie to you. Like I'm lying to Phil right now and saying, I'm not going to bug him next year, but a total lie.

Phil is an awesome dude and a complete treasure in the world of hockey. Absolutely love that guy. Here is another one. I like this one. This is a voicemail from Colin in Abbotsford, our second from Abbotsford today. Hello, Dom, Elliot, and Jeff. My name is Colin. I'm phoning in from beautiful, sunny Abbotsford today. Hello, Dom, Elliot, and Jeff. My name is Colin. I'm phoning in from beautiful, sunny Abbotsford, BC. Hope you guys are doing well. I recently saw some pics on Instagram

of the now three-peat Kelly Cup champ, Florida Everblades. And I noticed on some of the pictures in the locker room, some of the players were holding clippings from the hockey net, the same way that college basketball does it as well. So my question is, has any Stanley Cup winning team ever taken scissors to the net and the players have taken home a souvenir? I can't seem to recall it ever happening.

Maybe it's been discussed before, but you are the ones with the podcast, not me, so I thought I'd ask. Maybe it could become part of tradition, or maybe the NHL does not want their nets being cut to shreds. I don't know. Thanks so much, guys. Always appreciate your work, and go Habs go. Oh, a Habs fan in Abbotsford. That is a great question.

The only time I've ever seen it, before you answer it, the only time I've ever seen it was answer it the only time i've ever seen it was broder when he set the either the wins or shutout record that's the only time i've ever seen it it was the wins yes so that that was the only time that i've ever seen it that was win 552 for marty broder that was uh 2009 in a game over the chicagohawks where the Devils won 3-2. Also, same night, sorry Patrick Eliash, he recorded.702, breaking the New Jersey Devils record. But good luck getting a headline when Marty Berger just got set the wins record. That's the only time I've ever seen it, Elliot.

And I really did think after having seen that, I honestly thought it was going to become more of a thing. Like that goes back to 2009. I almost thought like that would become some new goaltending tradition for, I don't know, breaking records or winning big games. I thought that they were really going to, on a consistent basis, steal a page out of college basketball, but it hasn't happened. Maybe as Marty Boudreura mentioned when he was cutting it, it's really hard to cut goalie mesh. It's really, really hard.

Colin, if it happens now, you can say, I did that. Yes. You can have your own little corner in hockey history. But yeah, and I'm sure there are some listeners that might draw our attention to another place where it happened, maybe in hockey history. But yeah, I'm sure there are some listeners that might draw our attention to another place where it happened, maybe in another league. But the only time I've ever seen it in the NHL was Marty Berger and Elliot is the same.

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We'll be right back. Jeff, Elliot, and Tom on 32 Thoughts. Try the ribs today. Oh, yeah. Wrapping up another edition of 32 Thoughts to Podcast presented by the GMC Sierra Elevation. I got to tell you, Elliot, I really do enjoy when you're on the road in the playoffs in the Stanley Cup Final.

For your tweets and Instagram posts that give us a slice of your life, of what's happening on the road. Now, I've been to the gym with David Amber before. It is a very intimidating thing. Oh, my God. Oh, I know. And he stays for a long time.

Yeah. His workout routine is long and thorough and dry. And you can tell. He's got his very specific routine. He knows what he needs to do, and he does it. It can be very intimidating. David's a machine when he works out. He sure is.

You put up something the other day that i gotta ask you about you bx and kyle bakaskis working out what's the deal okay so we were all in the gym together and um alvin who's one of the cameramen who's in great shape by the way he's in his 50s and he's in great shape and uh so kevin goes do you guys want to do a challenge and alvin was already on the stair master so it was just the three of us like bx has these challenges he likes to do so i said yeah okay let's all do it so uh it was me him and kyle as the picture showed and it's basically what happens is you turn on the treadmill and you immediately go to a 15 incline and you have to do a mile and you're not allowed to run you could

walk as fast as you want but you can't run so kevin uh did it in 15 minutes and three seconds and he was mad that he did he didn't get under 15 minutes or 15 or under and he complained that the only reason he didn't do it this yeah so why this is so little little kitty this is how whiny kevin is okay he's like well i had to put it up to 15 right away so i couldn't get it up to a four on the speed like it sounded exactly like that like that's whiny kevin well i just pour you a warm bath and get you a tea yeah so he goes he goes 15 and he goes his speed is is four miles an hour like he's a machine kyle i think got it done just under 16 minutes and he's got i've gone i've gone running in florida with cal he's a

runner right yeah like he's a runner so and he was i think he was around 3.8 to 4. now i did it in uh between 17 and 18 minutes that's good yeah i was okay i did that's a that's a big incline man well it's the first time i've ever done it right so uh so i did it in my speed was 3.2 to 3.6 and but the one thing is like he told you you can't use your hands like you can't hold on right and i like there were times i went without it but there were times i was like shut up with the no hands i need to use the hands here so you, you know, I mean, obviously I was happy I got it done, but I, my goal now with this thing is that I want to get up to going. Cause I want to get, cause I use the treadmills at four and I'll start at 10 and I'll go up

to a 15 incline, but I do use my hands. So now, especially the higher I get. So my whole goal now is to do a mile without using my hands. So it's going to take me a little bit to do this. I'll probably end up doing it two or three times a week till I get it done. But for the first time I ever tried it, I was reasonably happy, except I felt I used my hands a bit too much. That was the thing.

That was the only thing I didn't like about it was I used my hands more than I'd like to, but it was a great challenge like bx has another one he's done it with um amber and basically you're supposed to run a mile as fast as you can then you're supposed to do a a hundred chin-ups 200 push-ups 300 squats and then run another mile now you can break up now there's a certain way to break up you don't do them all at once you break them up and amber did it he did biking because he's not a runner he did biking on either end and i think i could do the squats i think i could do the push-ups i don't think there is a prayer that I would be able to do the chin ups.

So I, and I can't run either. I'm a tear. I would do the biking also like Amber did. If Dave Amber says it's okay to bike, I look at that physique and I say, it's okay to bike, but that's another one I'd like to take a crack at. The thing is though, for me to do a hundred chin ups, I might not complete this for six years,

but I'm going to try to do it. I think, can you, can you, are you allowed to ask, ask Juice if he can do it with bands, if you could do band assisted? Bands I could do it. The other thing he said is- Band assisted chin-ups should be allowed. They can be like, kind of those like,

like the momentum chin-ups. You don't have to go all the way down, all the way up. You can do momentum style too band assisted i can do like 12 to 15 but to me i don't want to do that i want to do it the other way just to be able to do it to 100 then work your way in no okay you gotta be games you start at game seven you know you start at game one and you get to game seven right i can tell you how allowed to start at game one it would be 25 sets of four because I can do right now, I can do about a maximum of four push-ups.

I mean, four chin-ups. But I think I could do the push-ups and I think I could do the squats. Yeah. Do you have a treadmill at home that you can do this on? No, I have a Peloton. Are you a home treadmill guy? Oh, that's right. Yeah, you're a Peloton guy.

But I'll go to the gym. I'll go to the JCC and I'll do it there. Nice. But it was, you know what, Jeff? I know you're like between Kevin, Kyle, Amber, you, because I know you're in great shape. I am by a mile in the worst shape of anybody here. But I like these challenges.

I am competitive. I like the challenges. I need something for the summer for me i was thinking about this the other day like i need something i don't know what it is but i need something like this 300 i think that's a great one that one could be fun and that one could that that one that one i could i could get inspired to do maybe i'll end up doing that one i just know that i need something yeah i try to do something different every summer is he pushes you

into stuff well he he he guilts you and he ridicules you and it's not no you know what i gotta tell you he does not he does not guilt and he actually he he like on the supportive gym partner on on the air he rips you mercilessly that that is true but when it comes to this stuff he actually is very good because he challenges you and then like you know he didn't want me to use my hands as much as i did but then when i did he's like just get through it which is what i told him i was going to do. I said, I was like, be quiet. I'm going to use my hands here. And he's like, just get through it. So it was like, uh, that's, that was my goal. Just get through it and I'll work on making it better. And he's very good about that. He's very good about that. Alvin got off the stair

master to take the picture by the way. Oh, excellent. Alvin's awesome. Please pass along my best i like that guy yeah um the first time i saw something similar to what you're talking about was at the combine a number of years ago which is at the hotel gym working out with louis de brusque our colleague and he had started working out or training with gary roberts and his crew and that's what roberts had him doing just like super high incline he's like i do this all the time this is so good i'd never thought about doing this before uh and he was just and you know louis like louis jacked and he's a bear and he's doing this thing and i'm like and he starts leaking i'm like okay yeah this looks really good so i i know exactly what you're talking about like when i do running on the

treadmill like i'll put it up i hate running i i love. I love it. Oh, I hate it. I've always loved it, man. Thankfully, knock on wood, I've never had the big injury, so maybe that's why I love it so much, but I could just go, go, go, go, go. I don't even do it for health. I just do it for my head.

I do it more for mental health. Yeah, that's good. That's smart. Just clears my mind. Before we wrap up, I noticed during the game tonight, I the news I would like to salute 24-time all-star 12-time gold glover two-time MVP World Series champion Hall of Famer Willie Mays I was too young to watch him play but over the years I've read a lot about him I've watched the catch from the 1954 World Series.

I know there are legions of baseball fans who are old enough to remember him who talked about what a great player he was. At one time, third most home runs in history was 660. And just a cannon of an arm, too. So I watched when I was on the drive back to the hotel after the game, I was watching some footage and just a great, great player. The say,

Hey kid. Yes. Condolences to his friends and family. What a ball player.