32 Thoughts: The Podcast - We Are Loving This

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

In this edition of 32 Thoughts, Kyle and Elliotte reflect on the first two games of the 4 Nations Face-Off that have provided breathtaking entertainment. They look ahead to Canada vs USA on Saturday (5:11) and briefly touch on the booing of the American national anthem (8:37). The guys talk about the lack of penalty calls in this tournament and how teams will have to adapt (15:21). Kyle and Elliotte also talk about whether the NHL will adopt expanded 3v3 OT (16:17). They touch on the World Cup of Hockey coming in 2028 (25:12) and Elliotte talks about a big flaw that's been exposed with this tournament (29:23). Kyle and Elliotte banter about who the surprise anthem singer will be on Saturday (32:57) and The Final Thought focuses on the news and notes that have popped up around the NHL during the 4 Nations break (38:03). Kyle and Elliotte answer your questions and respond to your voicemails in the Thought Line (46:10).Email the podcast at [e-mail] or call the Thought Line at 1-833-311-3232 and leave us a voicemail.This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates

What's the fastest anybody can fly to Australia? Because the game starts at eight. Yeah, I think that's noon Australia time. Can he get back to Australia in eight hours? Elliot, I give you a globe. I was told there'd be no math. Yes, or geography apparently. I was told there'd be no math. Yes, or geography apparently. I was told there'd be no geography.

Welcome to 32 Thoughts, the podcast presented by the GMC Sierra AT4X. Dom Schiamatti, our producer, is back home in Vancouver while Elliot Friedman and myself remain in Montreal. We are two nights through of the Four Nations faceoff, Elliot, and if there is any doubt, any question of the kind of intensity, the energy, the anticipation, the execution of hockey we have seen right out of the gate. So I'm gonna go back to Wednesday night here quickly, Elliot, alright? So my location inside the building, almost to the top of the 100 level, and I'm sitting right next to one of the hard cameras. And as Team Canada in Sweden came on the ice, there's the opening ceremonies there and how cool that was.

And at one point, the camera zoomed in on McDavid's face on the bench. And the look on his face then told me everything I needed to know. We said in our preview pod leading into this, they would be the drivers behind, the real excitement behind it. And two nights into this thing, other than when

the Americans pulled away here Thursday night against the Finns and the Third, it's been breathtaking, edge of your seat hockey. What did McDavid's face look like? He was, you know how he is when he's sitting. He's never still. Like the legs are always going, something is constantly moving.

He looked like a guy, eyes said intensity, and the motion was just get me onto the ice, drop the puck, because I've been waiting so long for a night like this. You know the old saying, you never get a second chance to make a first impression? Yes, my father would tell us that all the time. Well, your father's a genius.

It's a smart line. That's what I thought about this tournament. There, the one thing I appreciate about this tournament the most is it did not make a liar out of me immediately. It may make a liar out of me yet, but not immediately. What did I say going in? I said that, you know, people weren't into it

because it wasn't here yet, right? It was, people were focusing on their own thing or they were hearing stories about maybe ticket sales weren't great. Um, but I really believe strongly once we got everybody here and we started playing the actual games, people would jump right into it. It would capture their attention and everything

on Wednesday night was perfect. Perfect. With the exception of the Shea Theodore injury, everything else was perfect. The pregame ceremony was great. Perfect. Perfect. With the exception of the Shea Theodore injury. Everything else was perfect. The pregame ceremony was great. The Mary Lemieux arrival was great. The Canadian power play actually looking like everybody thought it would be was great.

The skill level was great. The Sweden comeback was great. The goaltenders made unbelievable saves. Crosby was phenomenal. Canada won it in overtime. And now the U.S. game was a little different. It was a slog. And, you know, that's the only way Finland can win.

The only way Finland can win here is 2-1 or 3-2. And they finally pulled away. But the way it ended with the Kachuk brothers on the same line as Jack Eichel. Um, you did a fantastic interview with Matthew Kachuk, uh, at the end of the U S Finland game, redeeming yourself for a game one failure, which we'll get to later in the podcast. Wow. Now, now you've got rivalry Saturday and we're in North America. We don't think as much about Sweden and Finland as they do, but that game will

air on prime time in their countries after both lost game one. So it's meaningful. Whoever loses that game is basically out. And you've got Canada USA on a Saturday night in Montreal. I say it one more time my nipples are erect thinking about it. Oh no oh no oh no oh no. You went back to that well. It's true you You can only pull it out on special occasions. This is a special occasion. I thought it was because of the weather outside.

That's what did it. That too. I mean, come on. Like, you know, when you, when you finished that interview, what did Matthew Kachuck say at the end of the interview? I've been waiting nine years for this game. Cause I've been waiting nine years.

We'll be ready. Is there a person listening to this podcast that doesn't feel the same way? They've waited nine years for this game. Nine years. Yes. Especially because anytime any player has been asked about it, even prior to the games being

completed Wednesday and Thursday, they are so often wired to say, we're just worried about what's in front of us. Nobody had any issue looking ahead to Canada, U.S. on Saturday night and trying, trying to get a sense of what that's going to be like and convey how meaningful that's going to be to them. The other Kachuk brother who was brilliant on Thursday, Brady. Eight hits. Couple of goals. Yep.

He wasn't the first star on the ice, but he was the player of the game within the team. And we learned that the player of the game award, as they go through this event for the Americans, the jersey of Johnny Goodrow hangs in the stall. So when the media came into their dressing room afterwards, the late Johnny Goodrow's jersey number 13 was hanging in Brady Kichucks stall. That was very cool. Yeah, that's a beautiful touch. That's extremely good. It's hard not to. I saw it on Thursday morning hanging in its corner stall and even that, it grabs you. You're in the, it's the Montreal dressing room, the Team USA, the, the team, the Canadians room.

And you're in there and you're talking to all the different players, and you're focused on all the great players in there. But when you see that, it stops you for a sec. You stop, you focus, you take a bit of a breath. And that's, as you pointed out, that was a great, great touch. Yeah, he was part great, great touch. Yeah.

He was part of that team, North America squad that had their training camp here in Montreal and were set up in that Canadian's dressing room over the days that they were here. Uh, he was incredible for that team over that tournament. And it's interesting when we had our rights holder chat Wednesday with Sam Hallam, the head

coach of team Sweden, he brought up that group and he said, hockey forever changed after how everyone saw how that team played. How fast they were, how aggressive they were. He said the sport has not been the same since then. And he was talking about the own, the Swedish federation perspective of it and how they've had to try to change how they play, where for years they were at the sit back, defend, try to rely on the counter attack. They want to now be more the aggressors. Team North America had an impact on that thinking

and as you said, how perfect Wednesday night was, the speed that that game was played at, that had the evidence of what that team North America was all about. And now, I mean, some of the players that were there now suited up for Canada and also team USA, they've got their fingerprints all over this. It was just really interesting to hear, you know, the head coach of the Swedish national team

point to that group and say, hockey's never been the same since they assembled that team. That's a good story. So one of the things that Austin Matthews said about watching the Canada game on Wednesday night, he said this on Thursday morning before they even played Finland. I said, what did watching that game teach you

about this tournament? And he said, when you play Canada, you have to survive the first 10 minutes. That's, and Sweden didn't do that and still got back into the game. But I thought that was interesting. You know, you saw Matthew Kachak's reaction, the cameras caught it to the booing of the anthem and I want to talk to you a little bit more about that in a second.

He did say post game, I don't like it. And that's all I've got to say. From where you were down at ice level, what did it sound like? It was there. It wasn't overbearing. It didn't take over the building, but it was definitely there. It wasn't overbearing. It didn't take over the building, but it was definitely there.

There was also some cheers kind of smattering through and then. At the end. At the end. But there was a little bit throughout and then the applause when, when it ended, but it was there. No question. See, I was curious about it because some people

in the press box, so I'm in the middle, Dave and I are in a box. So we're kind of at top, the lower bowl and below the higher bowl. And people who were up in the press box said they heard more booing. I heard a little bit, like it was there. Um, I definitely heard it.

I heard a lot of cheering at the end. I don't like booing the anthems because to me, the anthems are about respecting the people who sacrificed in wars. I really think about that the most when I think about anthems. So I don't like it. Um, but you know, I recognize that it's happening

and it's going to add, you know, the, the commissioner was asked about it in his media conference on Wednesday and he said it's kind of gone down here and he pointed out how Michel Lacroix, who is the great, who's the great pipes, the public address announcer here in Montreal, he asked for people to respect and to kind of tone down a bit locally. Well it happened a bit more on Thursday and you can definitely expect it to happen on Saturday. I don't like it, but it's a fact of life and it's going to be here on Saturday.

Yeah, I think so long as you're committed to playing both anthems before the game As much as you can do the preamble and say can we all be respectful and I'm with you don't love here and that either Not a chance that doesn't continue to happen Saturday night here in in Montreal You know I have to say too when there was a time when we were still at CBC Before the rights came over to Sportsnet, we stopped doing the anthems and the playoffs. We stopped showing them. And viewers complained. They didn't like it.

They really liked hearing it. I know there's a group of people out there who don't think that the anthem should be played before sporting events. I remember at hockey night, we went away from it for a bit and overwhelmingly it came, I remember our producers telling us, cause I, we started showing it again. I just said, out of curiosity, why are we showing it again? And they said, cause a lot of people complained. They love the anthem. They love the anticipation. They loved the anticipation.

They loved seeing the looks on the player's face. Like some players are really into the anthem. Some players, you could just see their focus. You didn't even, they couldn't even tell the song was playing. They were psyching themselves up to play the game. Uh, like players like Mark Giordano had a special routine that they would have. Giordano would tap his helmet and member of a sister

who'd passed away. They kind of like the people liked the Winnipeg fans, the True North, the Dallas fans, stars, other fans who had something that they would like the Golden Knights. Calgary Sea of Red. Calgary, the Sea of Red. People really like that. So it's the whole package.

I had one player who texted me who said, you know, the only thing I think Saturday night is going to miss, this was a Canadian player. He said, the only thing I think Saturday night is missing, was Tom Wilson. He said, watching the Kachaks and Canada's gonna have an interesting decision. You gotta think Sam Bennett's gonna play. And everybody I think kind of thought if Bennett goes in like a guy like Seth Jarvis goes out. I thought Seth Jarvis was really good in game one. So I'm curious to see was really good in game one. So I'm curious to see what they're going to do here. But one Canadian player said, he said, after watching the Kachuk

brothers, Rick Havoc on the fins, he kind of wanted to see some Tom Wilson. Right. And that's why he was even kind of considered with Canada to begin with, right? Specifically for an answer to the Kachak brothers. I mean, what else can you say about this? You know, Crosby was so good. McKinnon was so good.

I thought McDavid was dangerous every time he had the puck. Zach Wierenske was fantastic. Eichel, I mean, like I said, Eichel, Kachak, Kachak. It's tremendous. Are you going with Binnington? I would. Yeah, I think so. With how he battled in overtime,

like I just don't overthink it here yet. And like Cooper early on, he was like, he's our guy. Like went out of his way to kind of say that. Like before the first game, he's our guy. So even though, yeah, the fact that he won, I know there's the one tough goal. I mean, the goal Hellebuck gave up Thursday night. That wasn't a great one either.

Well, you can go to Jay Pottinger on Saturday. I'll tell you this. I thought that was a big bounce back for Hellebuck. A big bounce back. Cause you're right. That one was not a great goal. And you know, you could see that, especially on social people were getting on Halobach

and you're wondering if he starts to have some self doubt and he's self doubt. But he made a couple of big saves when that game was still close. I actually thought one of the biggest problems in that game was the teams were too unselfish initially. Like Rupi Hintz passed up a glorious chance. Like if I'm coaching Finland, I'm telling a guy like Hintz, don't be unselfish. You're one of our best players.

Shoot the puck. Um, Finland, um, I actually thought Finland played really hard for 40 minutes. Did you, what did you think of the penalty call on Mata? Uh, as soon as I know Simmers line, as soon as you get the stick vertical you're asking for trouble I heard Kevin's point on it. I didn't like it. Kevin didn't like it. I think it was a penalty It was asking for trouble. You know, that's another thing about this tournament. There's not a lot of penalty calls here, right?

You know if this was a double IHF tournament, we'd be seeing a ton more power plays than we're seeing already. I think I had less of an issue with that one than the Matt and Paolo one. Oh yeah, I'm with you. I thought he played not bad. I'm with you, I wasn't, but it's very clear here

the referees don't wanna make a lot of calls. They're going with the blatant ones But it's very clear here the referees don't want to make a lot of calls. Yeah. They're going with the blatant ones or the egregious ones or the ones that they think are blatant or egregious. They want the, you know, we're all talking about how lethal Canada's power play was and it sure looked like it. But it's almost like to me that they don't want to let those guys win the tournament on the power play. Oh, start the conspiracy.

Yes. Like they just don't, like, it's clear that there's going to be a lot less penalties than if this was a double IHF event. Um, you know, a couple other things. I think a deep conversation about expanded three on three will be on the table at the GM meetings again. Really? Yes.

After one game. After one game. Yeah. Because I would have thought it would have been a little more unanimous, a player saying, yeah, like let's go this way. It wasn't the case when the canvassing was done post game Wednesday and then.

Well, who was against it? Lainé, McKinnon. Lainé, McKinnon. Anyone else? I know I heard other ones to give me like that feeling of, oh. If you can't give me names, it doesn't exist. That's fair.

It's also after midnight. No, I'm sure, now, I'm not convinced they'll go to 10, but I could see a serious conversation about seven or eight minutes. Yes. Like it's come, it's come up before, it's been discussed before, but now you know what they've done?

They have let people have a taste. If you let people have a taste, you have to be prepared to give them everything. Yes. If I give you half a coffee crisp, you're gonna want the rest of it. Oh, I'll go nuts. I'll go nuts.

Who was it though? You're right, somebody did suggest, okay, maybe not 10, but seven. That came up a couple times. Yes. I could see that being the solution. Because Marner scored at 6-06. And yes, I know people, you're all going to sit out there and say, and you're

right, you're not going to get, um, those kinds of players coming over the boards on every night, but I still think judging from the overall reaction of people who are watching that they would take seven or eight minutes of overtime over a shootout. Absolutely, yes. I think when you're picking one or the other, I don't know who would go the other way. Players get to vote on this too, obviously.

For sure. See, the other things out of this, you know, they have an extra 30 seconds on each commercial break, and the intermissions are a minute shorter. What'd you think about that? Well, I don't, like, I don't care one way or the other. I really don't.

Um, as long as it's used for proper storytelling and stuff like that. But I could see more in the Canada game, the players were milling about like, let's drop the puck. I thought there were instances, both games, where, I mean, there's still 30 seconds before the light was going to go off and indicate to the referees to drop the puck again. And both teams are like lined up at the face off like they're ready. Because it's habit, right? It's habit. But it's also like, okay, we've sat her out enough let's get playing. I am curious to see if that one's gonna stick or it's going to be erased because all the stuff they're

trying here is stuff that you could see them saying do you like it do you not like it how do you feel like one of the things I really like and I know hockey ops hates it but it's fantastic, is they're allowing a camera on the ice, and Zach Lazek, one of our great camera guys. Great skater. Good skater, he has to be a great skater. For those of you who are not familiar with Zach Lazek,

that is the cameraman whose life was saved by Patrick Kornquist, who is here right now. Yes. When Zach was, years ago, he was doing a Predators, I think it was Predators Canucks in the playoffs in 2011, and he got too close to the mouth of the Predator and he got run over by Shea Weber and he was down in a dangerous position. You never heard this story? No.

When Patrick Hornquist retired, we talked about this story. Patrick Hornquist saw it and covered him so that nobody would step on him. Oh wow. So anyway, Zach is a great skater and what they're allowing is after the goal is scored, he goes on the ice and that's why you're seeing such a close, phenomenal shot of the goal score going to do the high fives with everybody on the bench

I first noticed it in Brad Marchand's goal the two nothing goal for Canada I was like, wait a sec. Why is it so close now? There's also a referee cam being used here West McCauley was wearing it Yeah, I Also a referee cam being used here. Wes McCauley was wearing it. Yep. I like the fact that they are trying some things at this event in addition to simply the fact that we're playing these things again. Yeah. They're trying some stuff,

and I think it's gonna be interesting to see what becomes part of the sport and what the players like and they don't like. But there's no doubt in my mind that because of what happened on Wednesday night that expanded three on three is going to be a conversation again. Connor McDavid said it best, right? He goes, you just don't want games decided in a shootout. When he was asked about the. If I had Connor McDavid and Leon Dreisel

are going over the boards, I'd take 20 minute three on three over. Yes. Was it not hilarious to hear Nathan McKinnon explain why he didn't want it any longer, but then when you watched his shifts on Wednesday night, like there was just one speed and it was end to end and the adrenaline

was at an all time high and he's like, I'm exhausted. It's like, well, of course you're exhausted. Like he was unbelievable back up and down the ice, up and down the ice, looking off McDavid on the two on one. Can I tell you by the way, what was the dumbest controversy here? That.

What? Looking off. Looking off. That was a controversy? Apparently someone was saying to that there was a big online flame war about Is McKinnon selfish. Oh, gosh. I was like, what?

Are we talking about the guy who leads the IHL and the CIS? Yeah. Oh, God. I also wanted to say, too, here, you know, we were lucky. We, we had all those interviews we dropped on Wednesday. We had the piece with, um, Crosby and McCann. And we had the piece with Brady and Austin Matthews. The players were phenomenal.

Uh, all countries, all players, phenomenal. There are pieces coming out on the weekend. So, yeah, I wanted to ask you about this. Yeah. The, these are the coaches pieces. I believe the Canadian one is running before USA Canada, and I think the American one is running before Sweden, USA on Monday in Boston.

And so what happened was, uh, Jeremy McElhaney, the, one of the producers came up with an idea that we'd put the fouraney, the, one of the producers came up with an idea that we'd put the four coaches for the, for Canada in the U S so John Cooper, Peter DeBoer, uh, Rick Tauket and Bruce Cassidy, also Mike Sullivan, John Tortorella, John Hines and David Quinn. And they would sit at a table, small table and

they would talk about things like putting their team together, other interesting topics around this event. And I stood off to the side to help facilitate. I didn't appear on camera, which is probably the best part of the feature. But I helped throw topics in, and then at the end, we did whiteboards where they had to write something on a whiteboard and reveal their answer.

Like, and one of the questions we asked was say Canada or USA absolutely needs a goal in the shootout, who are you throwing over the boards? And they were great. Like the coaches were so good. There's only so much of it you can air on television. So one after they air on TV, we're going to get the audio and we're going to put them all on the pod.

Like I'm really excited for people to see these pieces. They like, it was funny. Like John Tortorello was kind of joking. Is this like the quiz? No. Like it was funny, like, uh, John Tortorello was kind of joking. Is this like the quiz? And I'm like, I'm going to take a step away from you. As I say, yeah, it's kind of like the quiz, but he did it. He participated.

Yes, he did it. He did it. Like the, the eight coaches were so accommodating and they were so good. Um, and Marshaan, Marshaan has been unbelievable here again, like he's the guy I think really embraces it as much as anything. Um, so like I was, I was happy with the interviews we dropped on the pod. I was really happy with the interviews we did on TV.

I'm happy with the ones to come. Um, I think in, in this situation, the players really had to deliver to show they were enthusiastic about it and they were, and now we know we're coming back in 2028 with eight teams and we'll see how the bidding goes. And you know, I think they like the idea of

teams of countries in Europe hosting some of the games. I've heard there's interest in West North America, like I've heard Seattle is interested, I've heard Edmonton's interested, I've heard Vancouver's interested. One of the biggest challenges is if you want to put games in Europe, then all of a sudden, like, okay,

you're really far away from each other. Especially if you want to do this in February. Especially if you want to do this in February. Especially if you want to do this in February and where are you doing your finals? So I know that it sounds insane because you're going to have games in Europe, but there's a, there's a bias towards the Eastern United States or Eastern Canada. If you're going to have games in Europe, I don't know how they're going to feel about the idea of Europe and Western Canada. Right.

We'll find out, but, um, you know, they're, they're committed to this. They want to go back and forth and they want this to be every two years. And I know people get upset about the injuries and it's legit, but a, a lot of the league looks at it like, Hey, if you're going to accept it for the Olympics, you can accept

it for this. They want to be away from NFL season. They just do not want to. I don't like that argument. Well, amen. Luke Robitaille, who I think is one of the really smart people in the league, really fights that argument hard and he's not the only one. But I'll tell you something else too Kyle, the players don't want it in September.

I was reminded about that because it makes their season even longer. Hmm. That one I'm willing to listen to, but the NFL one, I don't like so much. You don't? Why? Well, I don't know. Why?

Cause you don't like the NFL, you don't watch it, therefore, no, it doesn't matter. No, love the NFL. And I totally understand. There's no point trying to go up against them and think, oh, we could do some damage here. You're just not, but like, there's other days of the week in September where you can roll out your primetime

matchups if you really were serious about it. But if it's something about making the season even longer. I don't know if you have. You have Thursday games now, you have, you have Sunday, you have Monday. You have Thursday. Thursday nighters are just real humdingers.

But still, but this is the thing like Kyle, I'm disappointing you here. Your logic is not good. Like. No, but my point is, cause again, we get all upset about, you know, you see Shea theater go down with injury. Yeah. And I was like, well, gosh, Vegas is trying to

load up for another deep playoff run. We're only a few months away from that. The timing is terrible. This is one way to avoid those situations. Yeah, maybe, but you know what? I don't like what you said there, because you say, oh, the Thursday Night Game is a real humdinger. In the United States, pick the two worst teams

that you could see on a Thursday night. I get it, I get it. You could have Jacksonville against, who would you say, Cleveland? There's a lot of Brause fans out against. Who we say Cleveland? Yeah. There's a lot of browse fans out there. They are going to kill you. Okay. Let's say Cleveland against Jacksonville. It's still going to out draw anything else by miles.

Right. I understand. So then is this purely about having the number one rated program? It is about that. You want, you want, you want a hundred percent it is about that. You want, you want, you want a hundred percent it is about that. You know, we know up here, these games are

going to draw look, like the game between Canada and Sweden the other night was the highest ranked game hockey game in the United States this year. If you put that against an NFL game, you're not doing that. I see what you mean, but again, like, there's other days of the week,

and my point again is the injuries and the nervousness around that. Like, that's where I'm going. I get it. February, that's where that breeds. You know what, I get it, and I'll say something else. There was another flaw in this tournament that was kind of exposed a bit.

And that is, Theodore gets hurt, and Canada can't replace him. Yes. Why don't we get into that? Yes. How all that works? Because you and David got into that on Thursday and what it all means. It was really confusing because I was under the impression that you couldn't replace anybody.

And then I double-checked it and I was told yeah and I said it on the air and then during the third period somebody called me and said well you know you should know that it was kind of discussed what if the nuclear scenario happens and they can't dress 18 players. And they say it's not in writing, but we do have to concede that they might have, we don't want teams playing short handed like, you know, I was talking with Simmer on, on Thursday and he made a really good point. You know, in, in NHL season, as good as these teams are, you're gonna face one or two lines per team

that you can kind of rest your D against. Not here. Yes, this is not that place. This is not that place. Like, you know, like McCarr and the other guys who were playing a ton of minutes, even the fourth line, like these are good NHL players.

So you, you can't do that here. You absolutely can't do that here. And so, you know, they said, okay, you know, you can bring someone in. I heard on Wednesday night that Canada was asking for a player to be brought in to Montreal who could skate with the team, even though they couldn't play. And someone said to me, that is going to be a problem.

Like there's the other teams are going to freak if that occurs. And then, you know, everybody got back to me and they explained that they'd thought about it. And they said, look, they're going to be allowed to bring a player to Boston because I guess everybody they were thinking about was on vacation somewhere. And Thomas Harley is the guy and I think he's a great pick. I think he's a great player. DeBoer knows him, Nill knows him.

I totally understand it. But the League and the Players Association stuck to look, this is the way we set it and he cannot practice with you until you're under six. And Canada's point was what happens if somebody gets hurt at practice on Friday and we're going to have to play with five on Saturday? And after hearing that, I absolutely understand the argument, but they didn't win it. And people were saying, how come it's only 23? And the reason it was only 23 was because

for such a short time, they didn't want guys invited here who had no chance to play. Like, none. You didn't even get a vacation. I think for the Olympics, it's one thing, but for this, I don't think the players wanted that. Oh, well, if you can accept it for the Olympics. Well, that's the thing. I wonder if in the future,

we're going to have to see it change that. But Canada was upset. They thought they had a really good logistical argument about let's bring the guy here. And they were told no. Like the rules are you cannot replace someone until you're below six. All right.

So when Mario Lemuel on Wednesday night was introduced and this place went wild, It hit 109 decibels. Nice. In the building. Do we top that at some point on Saturday? Have you noticed that they refuse to say who's doing the anthem on Saturday night? Yeah, I haven't seen anything about that.

Well, we've asked and they're like, it's a secret. Oh, a Steve Meyer special. A Steve Meyer special. I haven't seen anything about that. Well, we've asked and they're like it's a secret. Oh So mayor special a Steve mayor special so I Don't think it's logistically possible, but I know what I would do if I was in charge have anything to do with the recent Super Bowl half you okay,, I have no idea what this is about. I am a fan of all kinds of music. I do not know, like, I do not have an opinion on this Kendrick Lamar Drake thing, aside from the fact that as a

Canadian, I feel it is my responsibility to back Drake. Like I freely admit, I do not understand what this is about. This is out of my knowledge base, but I know it's a big thing. Yeah. Very big thing. Yeah. It does run deep. And so I can see if you have no clue and you're going, I'm

sticking with the Canadian guy. I get it. Now I looked, he's on tour in Australia. And he has a show in Sydney on Sunday night. So I do not believe it is logistically possible. But if the NHL and the Players Association ever wanted the biggest impact it could get, they would have Drake at USA Canada on Saturday night. Holy smokes, that would be wild.

How huge would that be? That would be bigger than Jacksonville, Cleveland on a Thursday night in September. That's a good Vagascos. Well, now you've got my attention here with keeping it in the night. So I don't know what they're up to, but I was thinking. Remember they went to Alanis Morissette, game seven of the Cup final. We knew that one about two hours before it happened.

They put up the sign saying this is Alanis Morrison's dresser. And people heard her doing her test. So it kind of gave it away. Right. But we're still always away from two hours prior to game time as we record. Oh, Dom has a theory. I'm thinking Celine Dion, boys.

Oh, yes. That's a good theory, Dom. Celine Dion? Dom has a theory. I'm thinking Celine Dion boys. Oh yes. That's a good theory Dom. Celine Dion? There's a history she was part of the draft last June. At the draft. So they got her number. Yeah maybe. I could see that. That would be. Yeah. It would be big. That would beat 109 decibels I think. with all due respect to Mario. I still think Drake is I Like I like what you're Cooking up here What's the fastest anybody can fly to Australia? Because the game starts at 8 yeah, I think that's noon Australia time can he get back to Australia in eight hours for?

Elliot I give you a globe. I was told there'd be no math. Yes, or geography, apparently. I was told there'd be no geography. Ah. OK. Anyway, you get into the business, Okay. Anyway, you get into the business and you hope you get to be in attendance for these kinds of things. I am so excited for Saturday night.

You know, Sweden, Finland, too. I love everything. Yeah. But that Saturday Night Game, the backdrop, the intensity, the energy, the people involved, the kachaks the way they played game one, Crosby and McKinnon the way they played game one. If you aren't wired for this, you've got no soul. It's fascinating too, when we reference what Kichuck said about waiting nine years for this, and that team USA roster at that World Cup of hockey,

nobody is left. Nobody on that team for the Americans is suiting up for them here. I know because it's been a while, but also how much on that team for the Americans is suiting up for them here. I know because it's been a while, but also how much the dynamic and the shape of that country has changed in terms of who their best players are and who leads the way for them. It's going to be wild. I'm so, so excited. All right.

Well, with that, let's get to the final thought then Elliot which is brought to you by GMC and why don't we just run through some other things that's noteworthy around the league right now as the regular season remains on break and all the focus, most of the focus is here on the Four Nations face-off in Montreal but interesting a couple of days ago the news about Noah Dobson switching agents, and now with Judd Moldaver and Olivier Forchier at Wasserman, and as you have pointed out in the past,

when you see these cases, when a player switches an agent, typically it's because he's not exactly thrilled with however his situation is unfolding. Yeah, so I looked into this a little bit more and I stand by something I said on the radio with Marchese and Fuda on Wednesday and that is that I do not believe this is about a trade. You don't? No, I do not think that Dobson wants to be traded and even as I've said, I think it's possible that he was discussed in one specific case, uh, by the Islanders.

I do not think it is about that at all. Um, you know, number one, he's not widely available. There's too many teams that would be all over the Islanders. What do you want for this guy? If he was available? I just don't think, like one thing I learned this week is that Lou Lamarello apparently never uses that trade chat.

He never puts people on it. A couple guys told me. Because of nosy reporters like you. He just doesn't like- He's like the family member that never contributes to the group chat. He just doesn't like... He's like the family member that never contributes to the the group chat. He just doesn't like his business being out that publicly, right? So, but I just think if a guy like Dobson was widely available, there's no way they could keep it quiet and that's not the case. And again, I don't believe Dobson is demanding a trader wants to be out of the Allenders. I don't believe that.

So what is it about? And just from talking to just around the gossip is, I think it's, it's preparation for negotiating his next contract. I think that's what this is about. Um, Dobson contract wise, um, his contract is up after this year, the current one. Um, he's not unrestricted. He's restricted with, uh, arbitration rights.

Um, so there is time here, like there's not a rush on it, there's time here to sort this out, but it's going to be interesting. Like how does everybody feel here? Do they do a long-term extension now? Um, does he go to arbitration? You know, how does he feel? How does everybody feel?

Um, it's not a contract that has to be done right away, but I do think that what this is about based on what people are telling me is it's preparation for his next contract and what path both he and the Islanders decide to take. But again I stress I'm hearing nothing that says that Dobson is widely available and I'm also hearing nothing that says he wants out of the island. All right St. Louis what are they up to? Yeah I just think there's a lot of noise around them. Yeah you're telling me. I do I you know Doug Armstrong's here he's got to focus on Team Canada but I just there's some situations I think like

we're all watching the Ratan think like we're all watching the rant in situation, um, we're all watching, but I think, you know, the people are kind of watching the blues now. You know, the, the, the golden nights, you know, everybody's making the comments about LTIR and Theodore, but you know, they already are in LTIR now. So, I mean, there's things they would have to do. It sounds like Theodore's timeline is pretty close to the playoffs, uh, from the best I can tell.

Um, but you know, I. Really? Yeah. That's, that's longer than week to week. Well, I mean, technically it is. I know. Week to week. I guess, yeah.

When you think of week to week. It sounds like it's close, but you know, I mean, you just never know. I mean, people saw him at Cast Here, so you can, everyone can decide what they think that means. But, you know, St. Louis is definitely a team people are watching. You know, Brock Nelson, he did a really good job of, you know, really saying, I love the Islanders and we'll see, we'll see. You know, I think that one of the things around Nelson is

after all of his comments the other day in the interview we did, you know, one of the things that a couple people said to me was they read it as he's thinking about can the Islanders win? Like he's older, he's going to be 34. And I think that's one of the things he's kind of asking is can the Islanders win while he's still an effective player? I think there's, I think that's part of this with him. It's also interesting here, Marchand, and we taped something with him, it's very clear he wants to stay in

Boston, that he talked about, he's only playing on one team, it matters to him, he likes the fact that the Bruins don't want to accept mediocrity, that winning there is important, and that's where his focus is. I thought that was really interesting. You know, he could have also said kind of some of the same things that Nelson did, but he was emphatic about publicly saying he wanted to play for the Bruins. I think the Kings right shot score, I think there's, I think you're going to see,

I'm really curious about those two days in between the last round robin games on the Monday and the Thursday, the final, because the 18th is the day that teams return to practice. So I think we're kind of wondering, is that when we really start to see something? Okay, the valve gets opened a little bit. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. Feels like there's like four trade deadlines within this season. Yes. Yeah, people are telling me there's talking going on. It's a little tougher here because our focus is on the games and, you know, we're, we're kind of thinking about what we should, what we should keep an eye on here. But, you know, the guys tell me there's, there's business being worked on.

You know, the other one I wanted to mention, uh, Jared McCann, there were some reports about Jared McCann. People were pretty emphatic to me that that's teams going to Seattle saying is there any way you do this here? They say there's no way that's Seattle doing that. That's people coming to them. All right, lots to keep an eye on here. Beyond even what's been a very compelling four nations face off to this point. That was the final thought.

Few of them brought to you by GMC. We'll take our first break and come back with the thought line. You're listening to 32 Thoughts, the podcast. All right, welcome back. Time now for the Thoughtline. The NHL regular season may have taken a break, but our listeners certainly have not. Continuing with the submissions, questions and ideas and voicemails, Elliot, as you would expect. As we do expect, and we love them.

Particularly this one, Kyle. I wanted to just start with one I received on X from a gentleman named Sean Hill, who I'm assuming is not the former NHL defenseman. Apologize if you are. Crosby gets a gift bag for first star Kyle interviews him and does not ask what's in the bag Please address this to Kyle on the next pod and please reprimand him unbelievable hashtag disappointed Kyle

Sean you are absolutely 100,000 percent correct first he did not get Tim Stutzla to show us his haircut oh don't bring that up again and now he does not find out what is in Crosby's gift bag? Which we now understand is a watch. You know, I have to say, Kyle, this is the Four Nations. The players are at their best. You need to reach that level. Best on best, but not for the commentators here, clearly. Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh. This is unbelievable. Of all the things that happened on Wednesday night. Wait a second. And the gift. Three assists, nope. Great power play goal, break it down, nope. Incredible performance from the tournament's oldest player,

nope. Mary Lemieux, nope. Canada win, nope. We needed to know what was in the bag. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You dropped the ball. Or the bag. Fumbled the bag. Fumbled the bag. Yeah. All right, fine. I'll wear it. It's been a tough start to the Four Nations for me. So there was that. And then earlier in the day on Wednesday, I was on Calgary

radio and they said, do you know what Canada's goal song is? I'm like, I don't know yet either. I didn't have the answer then. So I was just stumbling out of the gate and you taking the opportunity right away, like the snow plows going through the city of Montreal the last few days, to bury me beneath the snow and leave me for dead. So thank you for that. I thought I asked the questions around here. I think Sean speaks for the entire audience. All right, well, every now and then you need a good tightening and reminded of the level you've got to be at. So I think it would have been even better if you would have just grabbed it from him

without asking and looked in there and said, what's in here? Yeah. Well, yeah, as if he had the bag in his hand when he came out for the interview. Yeah, bozo. That is great. All right, let's get to this week's submissions. Hey, you will never forget the Pittsburgh poem from the other episode, right? Well, we've we've had some pushback submitted to the thought line, as you can well imagine. So Ben writes in, Hi Elliot and Kyle, big fan of the pod, but something needs to be

said. That undercover Avalanche fan who read that Crosby poem does not speak for all Penguins fans. Sid has won everything there is in the entire sport. His biggest idols, Mario Lemieux and Steve Iserman, stayed with the same franchise. And he has said countless times he wants to do the same. That poem reader was clearly sent by Nathan McKinnon to sway public opinion. Stay safe guys. There was a few under the same theme.

So the anti-move penguins fans struck back? Is that what happened? Yes. That's fair. I can't fault them for that. You knew it wasn't going to be unanimous, as much as it was a wonderful thought and very creative effort. So we don't want to discourage that

from happening in the future. We'll always play both sides of the equation, but when you have a good poem to write in, and even if you're going to take it to the level of voicing it, do not hesitate. Poetry gets you published. I think that's fair to say at this point in time. Poetry gets you published. That's a good line. All right. Emmett from Edmonton.

Hello, Kyle, Dom, and Hollywood Freedman. What? Okay. There we go. I was recently watching a TV show called Playmakers from 2003 and in episode three, they have the press come into the locker room to ask the players questions. Yes, the show about football team.

I had to do a triple take, pause, and make sure I saw this properly. A very youthful Elliot Friedman, credited as Elliot, was one of the reporters. Can you give us some insight as to how this came about? Yes. So they reached out to me. I got a call from the producers. I can't remember who it was specifically I believe I was still at the score at the time and They said would you you know, we're filming this show and here's what it is

Would you like to be a journalist asking questions in a scrum and I said sure, you know, I just it was a new experience I was really excited about the idea and I went and did it. I can't remember everybody who was there but I believe Tim McAuliffe was one person and the and the reporter who got to ask the most questions was Katherine Humphreys and it was very clear that I got to ask one question and Tim got to ask one question. Catherine had an exchange with the player who was the quarterback of the team. It was perfectly clear that it was written for Catherine to be the star of the scene. She had an exchange with the actor the quarterback that went for three or four questions which obviously I

understood like of all of us at that time Catherine was the biggest star and she had like if you ever watched Catherine on tv she had it like her presence on camera is incredible and so it was really fun I enjoyed the experience the one thing that I was that was really interesting to me was how much waiting around we did to shoot the scene. I think we sat around for probably about six or seven hours and then they called us and said, okay, time to shoot the scene. And the other thing I thought was really interesting about it was there was one time I changed a word

in my script, I think I only had one question, but I didn't say it exactly as it was done in the script. I think I only had one question but I didn't say it exactly as it was done in the script and there was a person there and her job was to make sure that the script was followed exactly and she said to me it's not this it's that and I think I only changed one word and I remember asking later about it and saying why is that such a big deal? And she told me that scriptwriters are paid to do that job and they take a lot of pride in it

and they expect it to be followed. So I found the whole process really fascinating. I really loved it. And I must have been really terrible at it, Kyle, because I've never been invited back to do any more acting. So, but I really did enjoy the process. It was a lot of fun. Yes, the Jim Carries of the world can ad-lib and go off script.

You cannot. Actually, if you've ever heard the Sportsnet producers and bosses talk about it, they actually say it's the reverse. They say, when I stick to script, I am the worst actor of all on-air people, but I'm very good when I ad-lib. Rob Corday has told me he has found my script acting cringeworthy. Right, well now you know why you weren't asked back.

That's right. I think I just figured out the problem. That's good. I didn't know that until Emmett submitted that, so that's awesome. Yeah, it was fine. It was really fine. All right, Antoine from Montreal. Hi guys.

Hope this note finds you well. It has. The Four Nations faceoff has been a great opportunity for me to watch some hockey with my girlfriend, as she isn't interested in NHL regular season games. As expected, people who don't often watch hockey have the most interesting questions, like how many kids does Crosby have? On a more serious note, she asked, what's the extent of the medical equipment that teams have in their arena?

Can they do x-rays and such? I couldn't answer so I'm transferring the question to the two most knowledgeable guys I know. Love the pod. Make that one of the most knowledgeable guys. Elliot, to you. A lot of them have elite equipment as you would imagine. X-rays on site, yes. That used to be very controversial in places like Toronto. The Maple Leafs used to cringe when we used to mention that they could get x-rays done on site because evidently it would lead to articles, things like our Toronto hockey players cutting the line on Ontario health care by having x-rays at the arena. Things like MRIs aren't usually done in the arena. Those are you have to go to a

facility for them, but if you've ever seen these teams facilities it's state of the art. They have the best equipment, they move quickly. One of the things that really has happened is we've seen a couple of really scary incidents, unfortunately, over the years. You know, Yuri Fisher, Rich Pevely, and it's very clear that the doctors and the medical staff, they know how to act quick. It's not only the equipment is good, but they are well trained and definitely practice, God, we hope nothing like this ever happens, but if it does, here's how we're gonna act,

because we have seen cases, Jay Bomeister was another one, where really quick thinking medical staff have made a huge difference. The other thing that is a rule in an NHL game is you cannot play unless there's an ambulance in the arena. Yes. That is a rule. And in some of those cases, we've mentioned the ambulance has had to leave the arena to

take someone to hospital. They will not resume the game until either the ambulance has returned or another one is back at the rink. That is a non-starter. So, x-rays, yes. MRIs, I can't say 100% no, but generally no. Highly trained staff, yes. Top equipment, yes.

Ambulance has to be there all the time. Am I missing anything, Kyle? No, I think you've nailed it all. And the other interesting thing too, when you mentioned the ambulance, so like the paramedic staff that are on hand for the game, as you say about being well-trained, like they will have quite regular meetings with the doctors, the team doctors and medical staff with the teams of the home arena just to go over contingency plans, protocols, okay if this sort of situation happens how do we best handle it to make it as streamlined as an efficient as possible.

So as you say, fortunately this types of things don't happen all that often but the dialogue is far more frequent just so they have plans in place for when those unfortunate moments do creep up. Yes. All right. Good question. Another Four Nations related submission. Dylan from Lancaster, PA. Hello, gang. Watching the Four Nations face off.

How is the center ice logo change without having to redo the entire ice sheet? Keep up the work and let's go caps this is an interesting one so I inquired about this because I thought I had an idea but the actual answer kind of surprised me okay so for the case like Montreal where you've got a different center ice you notice the the face off dots look a little different with the... I love that little look, eh? Of the circle with the four teams logos in each of them getting a triangle. I think that is fantastic. Yeah, nice little touch, different sponsors onto the ice too. So what they do for something like that is they first trim

the ice, okay? So they take a layering of ice off the top. They don't melt it completely. They take a layering of ice off. They paint that surface completely white and then apply the new logos. They paint the lines again. Everything that has to be added and different about an event like this one. You'd see it at, you know, All-Star Games in seasons past two and then apply new ice on top of it and freeze that, and you see the product like you saw in Montreal this week. And then when it's done, they take those layers off again to the point where they get that layer of white paint removed and exposing the original ice surface for, again, the Montreal example, the Montreal Canadiens,

and carefully reapply and build the ice back up again, make sure it's all level and smooth and the maintenance that required to get all of that done, and it's good as new again. Oh, I didn't know all that. That's great stuff. Yeah. Good question from Dylan. Thank you.

All right, let's get to a voicemail here. Zach from Pittsburgh. I was just curious how long a single player has consecutively scored for one team. I remember earlier in the year Crosby, specifically for Pittsburgh, had scored two goals in like a three to two loss. The next game they lost five to two, he had scored two goals. And then he had followed up the third game with a fifth goal in a row. I just want to know how long one player has scored for one team consecutively. Thanks. Appreciate it. Love the podcast. Bye. Alright, so first off, one clarification from Zach there. It's a good question. So we actually, Crosby scored four consecutive

goals over several games for Pittsburgh earlier this year. And the record, there's two that have the most. This one sounds familiar to me. I remember a few years ago, I don't know if he has the record, but I remember a few years ago, Jason Zucker went on like a tear. Wow. He doesn't. He came very close. Wow. That's a great pull. Yeah right. He scored six consecutive goals.

Yeah. It was six and that's not the record? No. The record is seven. Two players have hit it. Okay. Give me some hints here. Well, one is the first edition of the Ottawa Senators. You have to go back that far. Okay, so when I think of first edition of Ottawa Senators, I think of four names, okay? senators I think of four names okay Frank Finnegan whose numbers retired punch broad bent King glancy and side to nanny it is side to nanny no kidding No kidding. Yes. I'm retiring. I'm quitting. I cannot do better than this. That is impressive.

Okay. So you want the other player? Sure. Let's give me a, let me guess. Give me a team in an era. I have no idea. Okay. I mean, he played for a few different teams over his his career but this happened with Chicago in the early 90s. That's too late for Ed Olchick. I assume

it's too late for Denis Savard. He is not the guy. Steve Larmer? No. Jeff Schantz? No. Troy Murray? Not Troy Murray, no. Alright, I don't know. I can't get it. Brian Noonan. Oh, Brian Noonan. As much as I wish I would like to say I would have got that, I don't think I would have got it. I don't think anyone's faulting you for that, but good process of elimination to get to side Denany.

My gosh. Yeah, you told me old Ottawa Senators. There's only one of four players I could have guessed. Just those four. Alright, very good. Good question. Another voicemail as we keep this thing rolling. David from Whitehorse. Just reading about how Caden Korzak played just 3-34 the other night for Vegas. Would teams ever consider or have they ever considered only dressing 19 guys for a game or having only 19 on their roster for the purpose of accruing salary cap space at the deadline? Thanks. Bye.

I don't think you're allowed to do that. I think the only time you can go under 20 for a game is if the salary cap prevents you. I mean, if there's a legitimate injury and you can't get somebody there, that's one thing. But I think it's only if your salary, first of all, I don't think you'd want to. Secondly, I don't think you can. Because I think the PA would have a huge objection to that and number three, I think

you're only allowed, it's only blocked if you have a cap issue and you can't submit a full roster. I'm not sure if it's an actual rule, but I don't think you can go under 20 unless it's for injury or salary cap reasons. And we have seen that particularly the salary cap one when it was flat for a number of years. Yes. Because in order to get into an injury situation where you can call someone up on an injury basis you have to go short for one game. Yeah I like someone will tell me if I'm wrong on this one, but I don't

think you're allowed to just do it just to save cap room. I'm pretty sure you're not. The PA perspective makes a lot of sense there. Yeah. That reasoning. Yeah. All right. Last one. Blake from Sudbury. Good day, fellas. I'm a proud Sudburian and wanted to investigate what a bunch of us have come to feel is an incredibly rare accomplishment in professional hockey from none other than one of our own, Derek McKenzie. Derek has played 550 games in the American Hockey League and 611 games in the NHL. It's something us Northern hockey nerds like to brag about over a couple of beers chatting

about our local hockey players accomplishments but one thing even with Google at all of our fingertips we haven't been able to accurately determine is just how rare of an accomplishment is this in the modern NHL era has anyone ever played over 500 games in the AHL and then gone on to play over 600 in the NHL it's so crazy to us to think that someone grinded it out for that many seasons in the American League, finally made it and made a 611 game career out of it that has led to being an NHL coach, but that's Derrick's relentless work ethic and determination. They were something special. Can't see there being too many

players with this distinction or ever seeing it again. Your thoughts. You know, the first guy whose name jumped into my head because he didn't start his NHL career until he was 29, but he only played 79 games in the AHL, was Derek Ryan. Like Derek Ryan played Western Hockey League, University of Alberta, and then he played overseas. So I didn't, and I just looked at him while you were asking the, or repeating the question, and he doesn't have enough. I'm trying to remember, like you think of guys like who played a ton in the, oh, you

know, here's another one, I'll guess. Hold on. Another one just popped into my head Let's see how many he played in the AHL. Oh, this is gonna be close Do you know have any idea who I'm thinking of? I? Do have an idea I'm just looking at the names that Fit this criteria McKenzie is one of six players fit this criteria. Mackenzie is one of six players. One of six? Okay, hold on.

I'm thinking of a multi Stanley Cup winner. Oh, hold on one second. Is that who you're thinking of? No. Okay. So I found, oh, I found a player with 424 AHL games and 650 NHL games, and that is Matt Molson. Oh, good one.

Because remember, he played five years. That is a guy who truly loved hockey. He played five years in the AHL after he finished in the NHL. Yes. I should say, for the purpose of this exercise, we've put the limits at what McKenzie was. 550 in the NHL, 611 in the NHL, so at least that many in the two leagues.

There's six players total, McKenzie being one of them. Anybody recent? I was gonna say, probably the most recent guy? Is this two time Stanley Cup champion? OK, like Derek McKenzie also played in Florida. Still part of that organization, as far as I know, in a front office role now. Sean Thornton. Yes. Very good question. Yeah. so he's one. Dave Creighton. Forget that Sean who

had a hell of a career, he started in the NHL late. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, over 700 in the NHL. So Dave Creighton was another one. Jim Morrison. Ken Shinkle. Oh That's an older one. Yes and Tom Costopoulos Tom Costopoulos a over 700 in the American League That's a great question that's great work by you because I was thinking about a lot of those guys like you think about guys like I was thinking about a lot of those guys, like you think about guys like,

there were a bunch of guys who made, who had really good long AHL careers, like Jody Gage. Like he was a guy who had a great AHL career, who played some NHL. Tim Tookie was another one. Great AHL career and some NHL too. Boy, that's a great question.

Great work by you. Yeah, and great work by our SportsNet Stats crew for putting in the effort. Matt Molson, I really thought, I was adding up the numbers hoping I would get high enough to actually get one there. Oh, great guess. Really good one.

All right, that'll do it for the Thoughtline. Thank you to everyone who submitted. Thank you to Griffin Porter for curating the list here for us. 1-833-311-3232 is the phone number to call. Or you can email us, 32thoughts at sportsnet.ca. We'll take one final break and come back to conclude the pod. You're listening to 32 Thoughts. the 32 thoughts. All right, welcome back. We're going to wrap this up by reminding you of what's to come on Saturday. A four nations doubleheader from Montreal

will be on the air 1 p.m. Eastern, 10 a.m. Pacific for Sweden against Finland. And then the matchup we've all been waiting for for this event. Canada and the USA from Montreal, the pregame show getting underway at 7.30 Eastern, 4.30 Pacific. Puck drop around 8.20 Eastern.

The Americans and the Canadians should be a dynamite crowd and atmosphere and high, high stakes as those two countries get together. We will talk to you next, as we usually do on Monday, we'll be in Boston for the back half of the Four Nations Face Off. Have yourselves a great weekend. There's only so many hours in a day.

We appreciate you spending a few of them here with us. Talk to you Monday.