40 Minutes In The Old Testament - 1 Samuel 18:10-19:7 (Episode 244)

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

Saul tries to kill David multiple times without success. David declines an offer to marry Saul's oldest daughter but then accepts the invitation to marry his younger, but there is a strange requiremen...t attached to it. And Jonathan talks some temporary sense into his father. Chad and Daniel discuss all of this. 1517 Podcast Network HWSS Conferences 1517 YouTube Donate

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to another episode of 40 Minutes in the Old Testament. 40 Minutes in the Old Testament is a 1517 Podcast Network podcast. You can go to 1517.org slash podcast. Check out all the other podcasts that are living over there. And while you're over there, make sure you go to the events page and take a look at the two events coming up. Those are in Bentonville, Arkansas in April. That's the Here We Still Stand regional event, two-day event. Chad will be there.
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Starting point is 00:01:36 i ate way too much like three days in a row so i feel like i've been in a food coma like the last week or so just uh same old same old yeah just live living the life between thanksgiving and christmas it kind of gets crazy this time of year yeah it was uh thanksgiving was a little different for me this year it was it was small uh we kept it small because uh we had some family members that had they didn't have the rona but they got exposed to it and uh you know trying to be safe so we didn't we didn't assemble the so it was a a bit smaller thing but all that meant was that uh you cooked like the same amount of food that you would like normally cook for way more people because you don't know how to like reduce the the size of the recipe or something
Starting point is 00:02:23 and uh so this was a this was a horrible thing for me for a couple days where there's just like way too much food for not nearly enough people yeah my problem is uh i my dad's a diabetic so i try not to eat too many sweets but i also love sweets and if there's sweets in the house yeah i'm like an addict i mean i just like i can't like two times a day i'm having a piece of pie or something like that so yeah the desserts were the temptation that i could not stay away from so i enjoyed myself i enjoyed myself for a few days with with the sweets but they're all gone now so i'm back uh back to healthy eating at least for a couple weeks a couple weeks yeah before that that cycle is about to repeat itself start all over again yeah well uh we left
Starting point is 00:03:14 off in an interesting spot in the life of David and Saul. David is getting praise upon praise from everyone. Everyone loves David. Very popular guy. Saul, you know, made David the sort of commander of his armies, because Saul is pragmatic enough to see that David is a courageous dude, even if he feels a little suspicious of him. But he might be regretting that now, as all of Israel is fawning all over david and uh we we sort of ended with with saw as uh as the esv translated eyeing david from that point on yeah and things are going to uh fall apart quite rapidly after that in fact yeah so we uh we we have the whole david and goliath episode and then uh jonathan and David are best friends. And I mean, it sort of seems like everything might be, yeah, might work
Starting point is 00:04:14 itself out. But then you have that ninth verse about him eyeing David, looking upon him with suspicion. And then immediately at verse 10, things fall apart. So it says that the next day they're uh i guess at saul's house and david's there and saul's there and david is is playing the lyre the harp whatever whatever it might be the the hebrew actually doesn't say it just says he was playing with his hand meaning playing some instrument with his hand and all of a sudden It says an evil spirit from God came mightily upon Saul or rushed upon Saul, as some translations have it. So this is the same thing that we encountered. What was that back in chapter 17 when they first brought David on, when they first brought him to the palace so that he could play the harp or play the lyre and soothe Saul during these troubling times.
Starting point is 00:05:15 so once more we have this evil spirit from god and it comes upon saul and it says he was raving in the midst of the house now i think every translation i checked has raving the hebrews actually prophesying but they translated as raving because of kind of this whatever's going You know, whether it's some sort of mental illness or this divinely caused trauma that's happening with him, whatever it is, he is soothed for a while, and then he'll lose it again. So he's raving slash prophesying, however you want to translate that, but it's some sort of kind of frenzied, frantic, kind of losing his mind kind of actions that are happening. And we know that because of what he's going to do next. So this evil spirit comes upon him. He raves or prophesies in his house.
Starting point is 00:06:17 David's playing. And we have an interesting thing going on here in the Hebrew because it says that David was playing with his hand, his yod. And then it says that Saul had a spear in his yod, in his hand. So we have the scene set up with two different things. One has an instrument in his hand, and then one has a spear in his hand. And what's he going to do? Well, verse 11 says that Saul hurled the spear because he said to himself, he thought, I will pin David to the wall. Another kind of interesting thing about the Hebrew here, that word for pin is the same word that is used back in that song that you referred to earlier, Dan,
Starting point is 00:07:04 about Saul has slain his thousands and David his tens of thousands. The word for, the verb for slain is the same one that's used here for pen. So it's like, I will strike more or less. So I will strike David to the wall.
Starting point is 00:07:20 And like, yeah, basically the spear's going to go through him and stick in the wall. But it says David escaped from his presence twice. This is a crazy two verses. I mean, they get a lot packed in here i mean so you got a harmful spirit or an evil spirit from god uh which of course i
Starting point is 00:07:38 would say is god is allowing uh for something to spiritually torment saul if you actually put the scene together it seems that saul is raving around the house david's like playing trying to trying to calm him down you have a guy it doesn't say that he picked up a spear it says that david's playing and he just has a spear. So in my mind, Saul is just roaming around the house, ranting and raving with a spear in his hand while David's playing the lyre or the harp or whatever. This is a tense, tense scene right here, right? I mean, if you're David, that's intense. I mean, this guy, you're like, this guy's losing it. He's walking around with a spear talking crazy and i'm just singing i mean this is a crazy scene you know that scene for the blues brothers when
Starting point is 00:08:33 they're in they're playing at that bar and all the the people are throwing the beer bottles yeah at the at the chicken wire in front of the stage and they're just playing just keep playing and keep singing that's david yeah i mean this is uh yeah it's pretty and yeah and as you were saying saul uh probably ringing in his ears is this you know saul has slain his thousands and david his tens of thousands and uh so yeah then he says uh i'll show you something i'll let me add one to the people that i've slain it'll be this guy right yeah by the way saul must be really bad aim with his spear you know this happens more than once where he's obviously in pretty close quarters with david i mean they're in the house and he misses him either that or david is very
Starting point is 00:09:18 elusive yeah he must be pretty quick i mean he's got a harp in his hand he's got to get out of the way of the spear that's uh being hurled toward him i mean how about how about twice i mean like by the way after this happened once i'd be like i'm not doing this anymore yeah yeah yeah the first time my father-in-law or future father-in-law threw a spear at me yeah i think i'd pretty much be out of the house for good i wouldn't be coming back for more more target practice and then you would think the next verse would say something like so david was afraid of saul but it's exact it's exact opposite it says now Saul was afraid of David for the Lord was with him and had departed from Saul so I mean that gives us the reason of course I mean the reason
Starting point is 00:10:02 all of this is happening is not just that Saul was kind of losing his mind the reason all this is happening is because of the story that we've been following these last few podcasts about how Saul kept rebelling against the Lord, and Samuel was there to rebuke him, and Saul begins to realize that everything is just slipping out of his hands. He's losing the kingdom. He's already lost the kingdom, basically, just remains to be seen, and all of this begins to affect him. God takes his Holy Spirit away from Saul, and an evil spirit from God begins to torment him. So this is what we're witnessing is the gradual decimation of Saul. It's just going to take a while.
Starting point is 00:10:45 So Saul is going to die at the end of this book, but he really dies way before that final battle. He's just kind of falling apart at the seams as we work our way through story. Anyway, back to verse 13. It says, Therefore Saul removed him from his presence and appointed him as a commander of a thousand and he went out and came in before the people
Starting point is 00:11:13 that's a that went out and came in by the way is is kind of technical military terminology in the Hebrew where if someone goes out and comes in that just means that they're the ones who are leading the charge more or less they're the military commander who goes out before the troops and then brings him back home. And it says David was prospering in all his ways because the Lord was with him. I think I pointed out last podcast that those two phrases, either prospering or having success, and then the phrase the Lord was with him, both of those are lifted from the Joseph narrative. So this is one more example of how in this particular chapter, David is treated as sort of a Joseph-type figure who is under threat, but even while under threat, is acting
Starting point is 00:12:06 wisely, having success, prospering. And the reason is, same reason for David as the same reason for Joseph, because the Lord is with him. The Lord is on his side. It does seem that Saul has sent David out. Once Saul becomes this suspicious of David, that David's sort of ability to soothe him has waned so Saul is sort of no longer able to hear from David and maybe even in a moment of clarity he decides he's going to send him out
Starting point is 00:12:38 because he'd rather do that than kill him but then he has other moments where he's going to want to kill him again so Saul is a very conflicted person here he could just I suppose command him to be imprisoned or something like that he doesn't do that
Starting point is 00:12:53 you do see sort of God at work where why does why does Saul put him in in command of armies uh why doesn't he just get rid of him we see numerous times where he changes his mind and does want to get rid of him and all that and all this kind of stuff so this sort of psychological breakdown that Saul is having is sort of all over the text yeah there'll be a point in uh in the next chapter where Jonathan talks with him and it almost seems as if he talks some rationality some reason into him like he he finally gets it and he's like oh yeah okay i mean i all right i see what david has done for me and so i won't kill him it's like jonathan's able to get through to him and then the very next scene he just falls
Starting point is 00:13:41 apart again so he does seem to have these moments of clarity where he is realizes what the best option would be the best action would be but it's it's always temporary the next scene he's falling apart again yeah and you do and you see and we'll see in the in the next uh next verse that you know as saul sees that the success of david it's it it says that he he stands in fearful awe of him right so so saul also has this this battle going on within him where he very much hates david uh He's very much afraid of David. He also knows that the Lord is with David and not with him. And this is all sort of, there's this weird concoction of fear of both David and God
Starting point is 00:14:30 mixed with hatred and suspicion of David and no doubt envy of David. This is a very toxic thing that's floating around in the head of Saul. Yeah, yeah, and it's just going to grow as time goes on. yeah so he dreaded him he stood in fearful awe of him and then we have the contrast in the next verse all israel and judah loved david so this is another one of those uh verses in this chapter that i pointed out last time where everybody loves david so jonathan loved david as himself in verse one and then it repeats that in verse three that he loved them as himself now all israel and judah loved david we'll see in the in the story we're about to get into that one of saul's
Starting point is 00:15:13 daughters loved David. So it's like everybody except Saul loves David at this point. Okay, so let's pick up with the next section, verse 17 and following. We're going to get to a couple of marriage possibilities. If you remember back in chapter 17, one of the promises that was made to the one who would slay Goliath would be that his family would be freed from any kind of taxation and that he would be given the hand of the king's daughter in marriage. So verse 17 says that Saul said to David, Here is my older daughter Merav. I will give her to you as a wife.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Only be a valiant man for me and fight the Lord's battles. Now it might seem, if you just look at those words, as if Saul is trying to kind of be on the up and up here, right? Yeah, Saul's coming around. Yeah, he's coming around. I mean, I, he's, I promised this to the victor on the battlefield. And so I'm going to follow through. I'm, you know, I'm going to give you my daughter and all I'm asking is that you continue to,
Starting point is 00:16:18 to fight the Lord's fight, right? Just to fight the Lord's battles and kill those Philistines. Well, this is a great example of where words say one thing and thoughts and motives say something entirely opposite because the verse ends by saying this for Saul thought my hand shall not be against him, but the hand of the Philistines will be against him. So he's just looking basically to let the Philistines throw their own spears at David instead of him throwing his spear. Now you know where David got the idea to get rid of Uriah from. He's like, I actually remember this move being made on me where it didn't work out, but it's not a bad move if you're
Starting point is 00:17:02 trying to get rid of someone yeah years ago in the uh in the margin of my bible i wrote uh i don't remember writing this but i said as david did later with uriah yeah so yeah uh he uh he learned there's some there's some interesting parallels here actually we'll we'll see some more of these as we go through here between some of saul's actions and then what david did later on it's Yeah, it's an instructive example, you know, for people who say, well, I would never do blank, whatever it might be, or they criticize someone for doing something. Well, you know, that's fine, but always maintain vigilance and humility because you never know what your future might hold. And we've all had cases where we imitated someone that earlier we had criticized. Anyway, that's exactly what he's going to do later, as you say, with Uriah.
Starting point is 00:18:02 It doesn't work out because David says to the king, who am I? I mean, I'm basically nobody. And my father's family, my kin, they're in Israel. I mean, that we're not a family and I'm not a man that is deserving to be the king's son-in-law. Now, whether this was almost kind of an expected sort of humility, you know, like, you know, if the king offers you something, you're almost obligated to say, no, no, no, I'm unworthy of that. Whether this was kind of that kind of formality or whether it was, you know, heartfelt or maybe a combination of both, whatever the reason is, it didn't work out. So even though he had, as it were, earned that particular right on the battlefield, he did not take it. So instead of David marrying her, she was married to a guy named Adriel, the Maholothite.
Starting point is 00:18:59 They'll come up again much later, the 21st chapter of 2 Samuel. So we have kind of a troubling story about the children that are connected with this particular couple. We'll get to that much later on. But anyway, she's married to this other guy. Well, there's also the possibility, I suppose, that Saul rolls up and maybe you have a Leah and Rachel situation here. And Saul says, hey, I'm going to give you my oldest daughter to be your wife. And maybe that's just not the daughter that David's into. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:19:33 So David's like, oh, no, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. Yeah, he doesn't seem to be too much opposed to the second option, does he? No, no. So it might just be these, you know, first daughter's got to get married off first. And David's like, hey, hit me back when that happens because that's not – I'm going to wait this one out. Yeah, yeah. Give me a call when McCall is ready to be wed.
Starting point is 00:20:00 and she's the one who comes up in the in the next verse so uh now mccall or mccall or however you want to say her name saul's daughter love david now a little interesting uh bit of trivia i learned this recently dan you might i've already known this this is the only example in the whole bible or at least the whole old testament i don't know about the new testament but the only example in the old testament where it is explicitly said that a woman loved a man which i find quite interesting but that's the only yeah this is the only example that we have where it says a particular woman loved a particular man now of course i'm not saying there weren't examples where that happened but this is the only case where it's actually
Starting point is 00:20:45 stated that way so she loved david now we don't know exactly how david felt toward her i mean presumably he loved her too. We're never told that. We do find out later on that these two had a bit of a rocky relationship. We'll find that out a little bit later on, actually much later on, when David is bringing the Ark of the Covenant into Jerusalem. But anyway, she loves David, and word got around, and it got back to Saul. And so Saul came up with a plan. Saul says to himself, I will give her to him that she may become a snare to him. So this is the father-in-law, future father-in-law plotting against his son-in-law already. So I'm going to make her become a snare to him that the hand of the Philistines may be against him.
Starting point is 00:21:41 So Saul says to David, I'm going to give you a second chance. All right. Second chance to be my son-in-law. So Saul commands his servants and he says to them to talk to David in private, talk to him secretly and say, listen, the king delights in you and all his servants love you. Now, therefore, become the king's son-in-law. You think they actually believe that? I mean, maybe the second part, but like the king delights in you. It seems a bit of a stretch.
Starting point is 00:22:11 This is the guy that just tried to pin me to the wall twice with his spear. listen as a guy with a daughter you have to have a special sort of hatred for someone to be like i'll use my daughter as bait yeah that's some next level paranoia yeah yeah yeah that and i mean of course we'll see in the next chapter uh when he can he confronts her because he expected her to actually help orchestrate the death of david as well yeah so yeah their relationship is pretty strained, I guess, would be one mild way to put it. But yeah, I mean, this is a whole next level. I'm going to use my daughter in order to get revenge against my enemy. Now, we're not exactly sure what he meant by she may become a snare to him. I assume it has to do with the
Starting point is 00:22:59 dowry that he's about to propose. We do find out, though, interestingly, that I don't know if it was maybe the servants or maybe it was her, but there is an idol that she keeps in her house that we're going to encounter in chapter 19. So maybe part of what Saul was thinking was she has become a snare to him because she kind of has this side thing going on with idolatry because she has this idol that she hides in the bed and masquerades as David. But whatever Saul this thinking he wants to use her to become this trap to ensnare David. So Saul sends the messengers and they say what they're given to say to David. And the servant spoke these words to David and David says, is it trivial in your sight to become the king's son-in-law since I'm a poor man and
Starting point is 00:23:48 lightly esteemed? So once more, David is showing some deference here. He's like, hey, this is a big deal, right? If I'm expected to be the king's son-in-law, then I have to have some sort of worthiness. But I'm a poor man. I'm lightly esteemed. I'm unworthy of this. So the servants report this back to Saul. And Saul says, all right, here's the plan. Here's what you are to say to David. The king does not desire any dowry except this, a hundred foreskins of the Philistines to take vengeance on the king's enemies. Now Saul planned, it adds after that, now Saul planned to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.
Starting point is 00:24:35 This has got to be the weirdest dowry in the history of humanity. This sounds suspicious from the jump. If I'm in this situation, I'm like, wait, what? And this is an interesting way to try to get rid of David. So Saul's like, if this guy goes out there engages in a hundred combats with Philistines surely he's not
Starting point is 00:24:58 going to go a hundred and oh against this right like surely somewhere along the way surely he's going to get bested of course this does not happen spoiler alert but yeah but this is a strange thing like I just
Starting point is 00:25:14 delight in you I love you so much I'm desperate to be I just I so need you to be my son-in-law I'm going to need a hundred foreskins Yeah. All I need you to do is this one thing. I just need to kill a hundred men. And then, yeah, we'll, we'll plan the marriage. We'll send out the save the date cards. Everything will be good to go. It's just a weird thing. I mean, can you imagine if someone was like, you received a message and they were,
Starting point is 00:25:37 someone was just gushing about how much they loved you and how great you were and how everyone loved you. And they just really wanted you to be part of their family. And then, and then put some outrageous request in there too and to make that happen i'm gonna need you to do this and it's just something that no one's ever heard of before and you're like well it's just the weirdness of it too what's going on here it has the same bring me back a hundred thumbs or something i mean just the very why that you know why of a hundred years i mean anything uh but i guess this is i guess this is how you know that you didn't go around and just you know uh raid jewish graveyards or something like that because there's no foreskins in those graveyards i guess i guess with foreskins you
Starting point is 00:26:24 know they have to be philistines yeah i suppose yeah they are the uncircumcised philistines as they're as they're commonly called so anyway that's that's the weird situation we got going on here. And verse 26, the servants, they go tell David and David just, he's happy about this. He's pleased David to become the king's son-in-law. So before the days were up, David went out, he and his men, and, you know, he thought, well, okay, a hundred, that's, I think we need a few more than that. You know, let's tell you what, let's go for 200. So he struck down 200 among the philistines you know david's always up for a challenge and david brought their foreskins and then gave them in full number to the king so that he might become the king's son-in-law i'm just
Starting point is 00:27:17 kind of imagining david like dumping out this bucket of foreskins in front of saul so he could count them if he's if he's really into it but he pays the bride price he pays the dowry and so saul i mean what's he gonna say at this point right uh he's not gonna say no no i i need a hundred more And so he gave Michal his daughter for a wife. And then it says, when Saul saw and knew that the Lord was with David and that Michal, Saul's daughter, loved him, then Saul was even more afraid of David. And so Saul was David's enemy continually. And then we wrap the chapter, verse 30. been the commanders of the philistines went out to battle and it happened as often as they went out
Starting point is 00:28:04 that david behaved himself more wisely there's that verb again than all the servants of saul so his name was highly esteemed got a good contrast there david says in verse 23 he's a poor man and lightly esteemed and then we get to the end of the chapter verse 30 and his name now is highly esteemed you have to you have to know that that kind of stuff irks saul too then when dave's like oh no i couldn't uh i'm just a poor man and i'm lowly and uh and not held in high esteem so i could never come into your family and i don't think that dave is trolling him really but uh if you're saul you're like yeah yeah dude i've heard the songs in the streets yeah come on right yeah i know what other girls are saying about you it's i mean it's a little i mean
Starting point is 00:28:55 it's the the humility of david is nice but also come on yeah yeah right right yeah i know i mean i know that the goliath thing is like going down uh into into hebrew lore but uh you know just i'm just just i'm just a regular guy you know just a regular guy who kills giants with a slingshot yeah yeah david's having more than like his 15 minutes of fame you know his uh his his reputation i'm sure has spread all over israel by by this point and you know and you know look at things from saul's perspective it was bad enough when all of this other stuff happened but now now david has married into his family and so his his pathway to power his pathway to the throne has become even clearer because now he's actually part of the king's family so we'll uh we'll see what
Starting point is 00:29:50 happens next uh jump into chapter 19 this is the episode i referred to earlier where jonathan and and saul his dad they have a bit of a conversation about david is that saul told jonathan his son and all his servants to put david to death so there's no subterfuge anymore i mean there's no like you know kind of clandestine plans about how they're going to take david out by one means or another now it's all just open about his desire he tells jonathan he tells his servants hey i want david dead but it says jonathan as we already know jonathan greatly delighted in david so jonathan kind of, you know, he works out this, this plan with David. He says, listen, verse two, my dad is wanting to put you to death. So be on your guard in the morning. I want you to,
Starting point is 00:30:47 to hide in this secret place. And then I'm going to go out and I'm going to stand by my father in the field where you are, presumably close to where you are. So we could overhear the conversation. And then I'm going to speak with my father about you. And if I find out anything, then I'll, I'll let you know. So David's going to hide himself and somehow Jonathan is going to get Saul out there, going to have this little teyate, this conversation. And so Jonathan spoke well of David to his father. Verse four, he said to him, don't let the king sin against his servant, David, since he has not sinned against you. And since his deeds have been very beneficial to you for now he's going to kind of list some reasons here because he took his life
Starting point is 00:31:38 in his hand and struck the philistine and the lord brought about a great deliverance for all israel you saw it and rejoiced so why then will you sin against innocent blood by putting david to death without a cause i mean it's not like a pretty good argument to me right i mean if anything's going to kind of get through to Saul, then he kind of lays it all out there. Why would you want to do this? I mean, he hasn't done, first of all, he hasn't done anything at all against you, which is true. I mean, there's absolutely nothing that David has done to make Saul think I need to get revenge or to make Saul think that David is out to get him. I mean, all of this is just kind of in Saul's head. David
Starting point is 00:32:24 hasn't actually done anything or said anything that has provoked Saul. It's all self-provoked. Well, this argument is extremely easy to make because it's so obvious. It's like obviously true, right? So there's no
Starting point is 00:32:40 reason for Saul to be wanting to kill David. David hasn't done anything. So what makes this argument difficult is you're making this argument to a crazy person yes this is true like the argument itself is rock solid and and you don't need to be some great orator to make this argument uh at all this argument is like plain as day to probably anybody uh who heard this message that they should go and kill david
Starting point is 00:33:10 the big the big rub here is that saul is not right in the head and so uh that you are trying to persuade somebody uh who is who is not thinking clearly because if he was thinking clearly he wouldn't be contemplating such things at all yeah yeah and he even even quotes uh saul's own own words against him if you remember back in in chapter 11 this is right after we meet saul for the first time and the ammonites you remember the ammonites they besieged that city and they're like the people of the city are like, make a covenant with us. And like, yeah, sure. We will. If you'll like send out all your guys, we're going to gouge out all their right eyes. And then they send throughout all Israel for someone to save them. And Saul gathers his men and he saves them.
Starting point is 00:34:00 And then at the, at the end of the battle, some of Saul's troops are like, Hey, who are those guys who were saying that you shouldn't reign over us? Let's, let's come out and let's bring them out and execute him. Well, at that point, Saul says this. He says, no, not a man shall be put to death this day, for today the Lord has accomplished deliverance in Israel. So Saul said that, and now Jonathan says to Saul, the Lord brought about a great deliverance for all Israel through David. So Jonathan is saying, listen, you yourself way back would not put those guys to death because you saw that the Lord accomplished a great redemption. Well, same thing happened here with David.
Starting point is 00:34:46 He took out the Philistine giant. The Lord accomplished great deliverance through him. So don't do it. So anyway, what is Saul going to say? Well, verse 6 says that he actually listened. He listened to Jonathan and he made a vow. He says, as the Lord lives, he shall not be put to death. So Jonathan calls David
Starting point is 00:35:10 Jonathan told him everything that he had said Jonathan brought David to Saul And he was in his presence As formerly I think Saul was like being honest About this do you think he actually Was truthful in this vow He does not live up
Starting point is 00:35:26 To this particular vow I mean I guess David does not Get put to death but Not for lack of trying But uh but uh yeah you know in my reading of it i think like i said like saul has these moments of clarity um and i think that probably he's listened to the argument and he thinks it makes sense i think saul went in his right mind uh yeah i think he i think he then means this
Starting point is 00:35:54 to be the case but what he can't account for saul is a man who is not in control not just his emotions but but also his thought processes and his rage uh he's not he's not in control of these things and so we'll see very quickly it will only take one thing a good thing even before Saul is snapped again um and so yeah it's sort of you talk sense into somebody uh but then something happens and that they that that sense has left uh on the heels of another of another uh situation so yeah i think that he's probably sincere in the moment i don't think he i don't think he means to lie to uh to jonathan nor do i think he means to take an oath that he has every intention of breaking yeah yeah i agree with you uh i saw a couple of couple of
Starting point is 00:36:52 commentators that uh read this with suspicion but i think it's it's best read straightforward he's he's in his right mind momentarily and so he he sees the logic of jonathan's argument and says yeah you know you're right it would be bad it would be a sin it would be actually in my even in my own best interest to not harm david and so i will make this vow not to not to put him to death and i think one of the most persuasive parts of this argument is the part where jonathan is pointing out what should be obvious, that David has made no plays for your crown. He has made no moves to try to dethrone you or replace you. He has shown nothing. There has been no aggressive moves on the part of David. He's done nothing but just served you and done whatever you've asked.
Starting point is 00:37:44 And so this, if you are temporarily in your right mind, this should speak to you in a way that says, yeah this this suspicion i have is not well-founded there's there's i can't point to anything where it's like well i'm suspicious of him because he did this or he did this other thing this this part of the argument uh is pretty pretty solid if you're trying to talk to someone like why exactly dad are you suspicious of him he hasn't he's he's only done good for you it's it's kind it's kind of crazy that you would be so suspicious that he wants your position he's done nothing that would imply that yeah if David had wanted to stage a coup at some point I don't think it would have been very difficult for him to actually to to take control of the kingdom but as he will
Starting point is 00:38:30 demonstrate as he has demonstrated and as he will demonstrate over and over in the chapters that follow he goes out of his way to avoid bringing any harm to bring any harm to Saul but we are out of time so I guess we're gonna get to more spear throwing and a little bit of a household idol, hiding, and some other good stuff in the rest of the chapter. More Philistines got to die. I'll tell you what, I don't know, but David is trying to rival Samson for greatest Philistine slayer of all time. He's got the Philistines number.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Yeah, he does. Yeah. All right. Well, we will be back next week for all of that. We'll see you then, Chad. All right. See you then. We'll see you next week.

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