40 Minutes In The Old Testament - 1 Samuel 18:10-19:7 (Episode 244)
Episode Date: December 7, 2020Saul tries to kill David multiple times without success. David declines an offer to marry Saul's oldest daughter but then accepts the invitation to marry his younger, but there is a strange requiremen...t attached to it. And Jonathan talks some temporary sense into his father. Chad and Daniel discuss all of this. 1517 Podcast Network HWSS Conferences 1517 YouTube Donate
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up 2021 is the year you go to both conferences chad uh what's going on man i feel like i'm still
recovering from thanksgiving what has it been this is like five days after thanksgiving yeah
i ate way too much like three days in a row so i feel like i've been in a food coma like the last
week or so just uh same old same old yeah just live living the life between thanksgiving and
christmas it kind of gets crazy this time of year yeah it was uh thanksgiving was a little
different for me this year it was it was small uh we kept it small because uh we had some family
members that had they didn't have the rona but they got exposed to it and uh you know trying
to be safe so we didn't we didn't assemble the so it was a a bit smaller thing but all that meant
was that uh you cooked like the same amount of food that you would like normally cook for way
more people because you don't know how to like reduce the the size of the recipe or something
and uh so this was a this was a horrible thing for me for a couple days where there's just like
way too much food for not nearly enough people yeah my problem is uh i my dad's a diabetic so
i try not to eat too many sweets but i also love sweets and if there's sweets in the house yeah
i'm like an addict i mean i just like i can't like two times a day i'm having a piece of pie
or something like that so yeah the desserts were the temptation that i could not stay away from
so i enjoyed myself i enjoyed myself for a few days with with the sweets but they're all gone
now so i'm back uh back to healthy eating at least for a couple weeks a couple weeks yeah
before that that cycle is about to repeat itself start all over again yeah well uh we left
off in an interesting spot in the life of David and Saul. David is getting praise upon praise
from everyone. Everyone loves David. Very popular guy. Saul, you know, made David the sort of
commander of his armies, because Saul is pragmatic enough to see that David is a courageous dude,
even if he feels a little suspicious of him. But he might be regretting that now, as all of Israel
is fawning all over david and uh we we sort of ended with with saw as uh as the esv translated
eyeing david from that point on yeah and things are going to uh fall apart quite rapidly after
that in fact yeah so we uh we we have the whole david and goliath episode and then uh jonathan and
David are best friends. And I mean, it sort of seems like everything might be, yeah, might work
itself out. But then you have that ninth verse about him eyeing David, looking upon him with
suspicion. And then immediately at verse 10, things fall apart. So it says that the next day
they're uh i guess at saul's house and david's there and saul's there and david is is playing
the lyre the harp whatever whatever it might be the the hebrew actually doesn't say it just says
he was playing with his hand meaning playing some instrument with his hand and all of a sudden
It says an evil spirit from God came mightily upon Saul or rushed upon Saul, as some translations have it.
So this is the same thing that we encountered.
What was that back in chapter 17 when they first brought David on, when they first brought him to the palace so that he could play the harp or play the lyre and soothe Saul during these troubling times.
so once more we have this evil spirit from god and it comes upon saul and it says he was
raving in the midst of the house now i think every translation i checked has raving the hebrews
actually prophesying but they translated as raving because of kind of this whatever's going
You know, whether it's some sort of mental illness or this divinely caused trauma that's happening with him, whatever it is, he is soothed for a while, and then he'll lose it again.
So he's raving slash prophesying, however you want to translate that, but it's some sort of kind of frenzied, frantic, kind of losing his mind kind of actions that are happening.
And we know that because of what he's going to do next.
So this evil spirit comes upon him.
He raves or prophesies in his house.
David's playing.
And we have an interesting thing going on here in the Hebrew because it says that David was playing with his hand, his yod.
And then it says that Saul had a spear in his yod, in his hand.
So we have the scene set up with two different things.
One has an instrument in his hand, and then one has a spear in his hand.
And what's he going to do?
Well, verse 11 says that Saul hurled the spear because he said to himself, he thought, I will pin David to the wall.
Another kind of interesting thing about the Hebrew here, that word for pin is the same word that is used back in that song that you referred to earlier, Dan,
about Saul has slain his thousands
and David his tens of thousands.
The word for, the verb for slain
is the same one that's used here
for pen. So it's
like, I will
strike more or less. So I will strike
David to the wall.
And like, yeah, basically the
spear's going to go through him and stick in the wall.
But it says David escaped from his
presence twice.
This is a crazy
two verses.
I mean, they get a lot
packed in here i mean so you got a harmful spirit or an evil spirit from god uh which of course i
would say is god is allowing uh for something to spiritually torment saul if you actually put the
scene together it seems that saul is raving around the house david's like playing trying to
trying to calm him down you have a guy it doesn't say that he picked up a spear it says that david's
playing and he just has a spear. So in my mind, Saul is just roaming around the house, ranting
and raving with a spear in his hand while David's playing the lyre or the harp or whatever.
This is a tense, tense scene right here, right? I mean, if you're David, that's intense. I mean,
this guy, you're like, this guy's losing it. He's walking around with a spear talking crazy
and i'm just singing i mean this is a crazy scene you know that scene for the blues brothers when
they're in they're playing at that bar and all the the people are throwing the beer bottles
yeah at the at the chicken wire in front of the stage and they're just playing just keep playing
and keep singing that's david yeah i mean this is uh yeah it's pretty and yeah and as you were
saying saul uh probably ringing in his ears is this you know saul has slain his thousands and
david his tens of thousands and uh so yeah then he says uh i'll show you something i'll let me add
one to the people that i've slain it'll be this guy right yeah by the way saul must be really bad
aim with his spear you know this happens more than once where he's obviously in pretty close
quarters with david i mean they're in the house and he misses him either that or david is very
elusive yeah he must be pretty quick i mean he's got a harp in his hand he's got to get out of the
way of the spear that's uh being hurled toward him i mean how about how about twice i mean like
by the way after this happened once i'd be like i'm not doing this anymore yeah yeah yeah the
first time my father-in-law or future father-in-law threw a spear at me yeah i think i'd pretty much
be out of the house for good i wouldn't be coming back for more more target practice and then
you would think the next verse would say something like so david was afraid of saul
but it's exact it's exact opposite it says now Saul was afraid of David for the Lord was with
him and had departed from Saul so I mean that gives us the reason of course I mean the reason
all of this is happening is not just that Saul was kind of losing his mind the reason all this
is happening is because of the story that we've been following these last few podcasts about
how Saul kept rebelling against the Lord, and Samuel was there to rebuke him, and Saul begins
to realize that everything is just slipping out of his hands. He's losing the kingdom. He's already
lost the kingdom, basically, just remains to be seen, and all of this begins to affect him. God
takes his Holy Spirit away from Saul, and an evil spirit from God begins to torment him. So this is
what we're witnessing is the gradual decimation of Saul.
It's just going to take a while.
So Saul is going to die at the end of this book,
but he really dies way before that final battle.
He's just kind of falling apart at the seams
as we work our way through story.
Anyway, back to verse 13.
It says,
Therefore Saul removed him from his presence
and appointed him as a commander of a thousand and he went out and came in before the people
that's a that went out and came in by the way is is kind of technical military terminology in the
Hebrew where if someone goes out and comes in that just means that they're the ones who are
leading the charge more or less they're the military commander who goes out before the
troops and then brings him back home. And it says David was prospering in all his ways because the
Lord was with him. I think I pointed out last podcast that those two phrases, either prospering
or having success, and then the phrase the Lord was with him, both of those are lifted from the
Joseph narrative. So this is one more example of how in this particular chapter, David is treated
as sort of a Joseph-type figure who is under threat, but even while under threat, is acting
wisely, having success, prospering. And the reason is, same reason for David as the same reason for
Joseph, because the Lord is with him. The Lord is on his side. It does seem that Saul has sent David
out. Once Saul becomes this suspicious of David, that David's sort of ability to soothe him has
waned
so Saul is sort of
no longer able to hear from David
and maybe even in a moment of clarity
he decides he's going to send him out
because he'd rather do that than kill him
but then he has other moments
where he's going to want to kill him again
so Saul is a very conflicted
person here
he could just I suppose command him
to be imprisoned or something like that
he doesn't do that
you do see sort of God at work
where why does why does Saul put him in in command of armies uh why doesn't he just get rid of him
we see numerous times where he changes his mind and does want to get rid of him and all that and
all this kind of stuff so this sort of psychological breakdown that Saul is having is sort of all over
the text yeah there'll be a point in uh in the next chapter where Jonathan talks with him and
it almost seems as if he talks some rationality some reason into him like he he finally gets it
and he's like oh yeah okay i mean i all right i see what david has done for me and so i won't
kill him it's like jonathan's able to get through to him and then the very next scene he just falls
apart again so he does seem to have these moments of clarity where he is realizes what the best
option would be the best action would be but it's it's always temporary the next scene he's falling
apart again yeah and you do and you see and we'll see in the in the next uh next verse that you know
as saul sees that the success of david it's it it says that he he stands in fearful awe of him
right so so saul also has this this battle going on within him where he very much hates david uh
He's very much afraid of David.
He also knows that the Lord is with David and not with him.
And this is all sort of, there's this weird concoction of fear of both David and God
mixed with hatred and suspicion of David and no doubt envy of David.
This is a very toxic thing that's floating around in the head of Saul.
Yeah, yeah, and it's just going to grow as time goes on.
yeah so he dreaded him he stood in fearful awe of him and then we have the contrast in the next
verse all israel and judah loved david so this is another one of those uh verses in this chapter
that i pointed out last time where everybody loves david so jonathan loved david as himself
in verse one and then it repeats that in verse three that he loved them as himself now all israel
and judah loved david we'll see in the in the story we're about to get into that one of saul's
daughters loved David. So it's like everybody except Saul loves David at this point. Okay,
so let's pick up with the next section, verse 17 and following. We're going to get to a couple of
marriage possibilities. If you remember back in chapter 17, one of the promises that was made
to the one who would slay Goliath would be that his family would be freed from any kind of taxation
and that he would be given the hand of the king's daughter in marriage.
So verse 17 says that Saul said to David,
Here is my older daughter Merav.
I will give her to you as a wife.
Only be a valiant man for me and fight the Lord's battles.
Now it might seem, if you just look at those words,
as if Saul is trying to kind of be on the up and up here, right?
Yeah, Saul's coming around.
Yeah, he's coming around.
I mean, I, he's, I promised this to the victor on the battlefield.
And so I'm going to follow through.
I'm, you know, I'm going to give you my daughter and all I'm asking is that you continue to,
to fight the Lord's fight, right?
Just to fight the Lord's battles and kill those Philistines.
Well, this is a great example of where words say one thing and thoughts and motives say
something entirely opposite because the verse ends by saying this for Saul thought my hand
shall not be against him, but the hand of the Philistines will be against him. So he's just
looking basically to let the Philistines throw their own spears at David instead of him throwing
his spear. Now you know where David got the idea to get rid of Uriah from. He's like, I actually
remember this move being made on me where it didn't work out, but it's not a bad move if you're
trying to get rid of someone yeah years ago in the uh in the margin of my bible i wrote uh i don't
remember writing this but i said as david did later with uriah yeah so yeah uh he uh he learned
there's some there's some interesting parallels here actually we'll we'll see some more of these
as we go through here between some of saul's actions and then what david did later on it's
Yeah, it's an instructive example, you know, for people who say, well, I would never do blank, whatever it might be, or they criticize someone for doing something.
Well, you know, that's fine, but always maintain vigilance and humility because you never know what your future might hold.
And we've all had cases where we imitated someone that earlier we had criticized.
Anyway, that's exactly what he's going to do later, as you say, with Uriah.
It doesn't work out because David says to the king, who am I?
I mean, I'm basically nobody.
And my father's family, my kin, they're in Israel.
I mean, that we're not a family and I'm not a man that is deserving to be the king's son-in-law.
Now, whether this was almost kind of an expected sort of humility, you know, like, you know, if the king offers you something, you're almost obligated to say, no, no, no, I'm unworthy of that.
Whether this was kind of that kind of formality or whether it was, you know, heartfelt or maybe a combination of both, whatever the reason is, it didn't work out.
So even though he had, as it were, earned that particular right on the battlefield, he did not take it.
So instead of David marrying her, she was married to a guy named Adriel, the Maholothite.
They'll come up again much later, the 21st chapter of 2 Samuel.
So we have kind of a troubling story about the children that are connected with this particular couple.
We'll get to that much later on.
But anyway, she's married to this other guy.
Well, there's also the possibility, I suppose, that Saul rolls up and maybe you have a Leah and Rachel situation here.
And Saul says, hey, I'm going to give you my oldest daughter to be your wife.
And maybe that's just not the daughter that David's into.
Yeah, that's right.
So David's like, oh, no, I couldn't do that.
I couldn't do that.
Yeah, he doesn't seem to be too much opposed to the second option, does he?
No, no.
So it might just be these, you know, first daughter's got to get married off first.
And David's like, hey, hit me back when that happens because that's not – I'm going to wait this one out.
Yeah, yeah.
Give me a call when McCall is ready to be wed.
and she's the one who comes up in the in the next verse so uh now mccall or mccall or however you
want to say her name saul's daughter love david now a little interesting uh bit of trivia
i learned this recently dan you might i've already known this this is the only example
in the whole bible or at least the whole old testament i don't know about the new testament
but the only example in the old testament where it is explicitly said that a woman loved a man
which i find quite interesting but that's the only yeah this is the only example that we have
where it says a particular woman loved a particular man now of course i'm not saying
there weren't examples where that happened but this is the only case where it's actually
stated that way so she loved david now we don't know exactly how david felt toward her i mean
presumably he loved her too. We're never told that. We do find out later on that these two had
a bit of a rocky relationship. We'll find that out a little bit later on, actually much later on,
when David is bringing the Ark of the Covenant into Jerusalem. But anyway, she loves David,
and word got around, and it got back to Saul. And so Saul came up with a plan. Saul says to himself,
I will give her to him that she may become a snare to him.
So this is the father-in-law, future father-in-law plotting against his son-in-law already.
So I'm going to make her become a snare to him that the hand of the Philistines may be against him.
So Saul says to David, I'm going to give you a second chance.
All right.
Second chance to be my son-in-law.
So Saul commands his servants and he says to them to talk to David in private, talk to him secretly and say, listen, the king delights in you and all his servants love you.
Now, therefore, become the king's son-in-law.
You think they actually believe that?
I mean, maybe the second part, but like the king delights in you.
It seems a bit of a stretch.
This is the guy that just tried to pin me to the wall twice with his spear.
listen as a guy with a daughter you have to have a special sort of hatred for someone to be like
i'll use my daughter as bait yeah that's some next level paranoia yeah yeah yeah that and i
mean of course we'll see in the next chapter uh when he can he confronts her because he expected
her to actually help orchestrate the death of david as well yeah so yeah their relationship is
pretty strained, I guess, would be one mild way to put it. But yeah, I mean, this is a whole next
level. I'm going to use my daughter in order to get revenge against my enemy. Now, we're not
exactly sure what he meant by she may become a snare to him. I assume it has to do with the
dowry that he's about to propose. We do find out, though, interestingly, that I don't know if it was
maybe the servants or maybe it was her, but there is an idol that she keeps in her house
that we're going to encounter in chapter 19. So maybe part of what Saul was thinking was
she has become a snare to him because she kind of has this side thing going on with idolatry
because she has this idol that she hides in the bed and masquerades as David. But whatever Saul
this thinking he wants to use her to become this trap to ensnare David. So Saul sends the messengers
and they say what they're given to say to David. And the servant spoke these words to David and
David says, is it trivial in your sight to become the king's son-in-law since I'm a poor man and
lightly esteemed? So once more, David is showing some deference here. He's like, hey, this is a
big deal, right? If I'm expected to be the king's son-in-law, then I have to have some sort of
worthiness. But I'm a poor man. I'm lightly esteemed. I'm unworthy of this. So the servants
report this back to Saul. And Saul says, all right, here's the plan. Here's what you are to say to
David. The king does not desire any dowry except this, a hundred foreskins of the Philistines
to take vengeance on the king's enemies.
Now Saul planned, it adds after that,
now Saul planned to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.
This has got to be the weirdest dowry in the history of humanity.
This sounds suspicious from the jump.
If I'm in this situation, I'm like, wait, what?
And this is an interesting way to try to get rid of David.
So Saul's like, if this guy goes out there
engages in a hundred
combats with Philistines
surely he's not
going to go a hundred and oh
against this right
like surely
somewhere along the way
surely he's going to get bested
of course this does not happen
spoiler alert but yeah but this
is a strange thing like I just
delight in you I love you so much I'm desperate to be
I just I so need you
to be my son-in-law I'm going to need a hundred
foreskins
Yeah. All I need you to do is this one thing. I just need to kill a hundred men.
And then, yeah, we'll, we'll plan the marriage. We'll send out the save the date cards.
Everything will be good to go. It's just a weird thing. I mean,
can you imagine if someone was like, you received a message and they were,
someone was just gushing about how much they loved you and how great you were and how everyone loved
you. And they just really wanted you to be part of their family. And then, and then put some
outrageous request in there too and to make that happen i'm gonna need you to do this and it's
just something that no one's ever heard of before and you're like well it's just the weirdness of
it too what's going on here it has the same bring me back a hundred thumbs or something i mean just
the very why that you know why of a hundred years i mean anything uh but i guess this is i guess this
is how you know that you didn't go around and just you know uh raid jewish graveyards or something
like that because there's no foreskins in those graveyards i guess i guess with foreskins you
know they have to be philistines yeah i suppose yeah they are the uncircumcised philistines
as they're as they're commonly called so anyway that's that's the weird situation we got going on
here. And verse 26, the servants, they go tell David and David just, he's happy about this.
He's pleased David to become the king's son-in-law. So before the days were up, David went out,
he and his men, and, you know, he thought, well, okay, a hundred, that's, I think we need a few
more than that. You know, let's tell you what, let's go for 200. So he struck down 200 among
the philistines you know david's always up for a challenge and david brought their foreskins and
then gave them in full number to the king so that he might become the king's son-in-law i'm just
kind of imagining david like dumping out this bucket of foreskins in front of saul so he could
count them if he's if he's really into it but he pays the bride price he pays the dowry and so saul
i mean what's he gonna say at this point right uh he's not gonna say no no i i need a hundred more
And so he gave Michal his daughter for a wife.
And then it says, when Saul saw and knew that the Lord was with David and that Michal, Saul's daughter, loved him, then Saul was even more afraid of David.
And so Saul was David's enemy continually.
And then we wrap the chapter, verse 30.
been the commanders of the philistines went out to battle and it happened as often as they went out
that david behaved himself more wisely there's that verb again than all the servants of saul
so his name was highly esteemed got a good contrast there david says in verse 23 he's a
poor man and lightly esteemed and then we get to the end of the chapter verse 30 and his name now
is highly esteemed you have to you have to know that that kind of stuff irks saul too then when
dave's like oh no i couldn't uh i'm just a poor man and i'm lowly and uh and not held in high
esteem so i could never come into your family and i don't think that dave is trolling him really
but uh if you're saul you're like yeah yeah dude i've heard the songs in the streets yeah
come on right yeah i know what other girls are saying about you it's i mean it's a little i mean
it's the the humility of david is nice but also come on yeah yeah right right yeah i know i mean
i know that the goliath thing is like going down uh into into hebrew lore but uh you know just i'm
just just i'm just a regular guy you know just a regular guy who kills giants with a slingshot
yeah yeah david's having more than like his 15 minutes of fame you know his uh his his reputation
i'm sure has spread all over israel by by this point and you know and you know look at things
from saul's perspective it was bad enough when all of this other stuff happened but now now david
has married into his family and so his his pathway to power his pathway to the throne has become
even clearer because now he's actually part of the king's family so we'll uh we'll see what
happens next uh jump into chapter 19 this is the episode i referred to earlier where jonathan and
and saul his dad they have a bit of a conversation about david is that saul told jonathan his son
and all his servants to put david to death so there's no subterfuge anymore i mean there's no
like you know kind of clandestine plans about how they're going to take david out by one means or
another now it's all just open about his desire he tells jonathan he tells his servants hey i want
david dead but it says jonathan as we already know jonathan greatly delighted in david so jonathan
kind of, you know, he works out this, this plan with David. He says, listen, verse two,
my dad is wanting to put you to death. So be on your guard in the morning. I want you to,
to hide in this secret place. And then I'm going to go out and I'm going to stand by my father
in the field where you are, presumably close to where you are. So we could overhear the conversation.
And then I'm going to speak with my father about you. And if I find out anything, then I'll,
I'll let you know. So David's going to hide himself and somehow Jonathan is going to get
Saul out there, going to have this little teyate, this conversation. And so Jonathan
spoke well of David to his father. Verse four, he said to him, don't let the king sin against
his servant, David, since he has not sinned against you. And since his deeds have been
very beneficial to you for now he's going to kind of list some reasons here because he took his life
in his hand and struck the philistine and the lord brought about a great deliverance for all israel
you saw it and rejoiced so why then will you sin against innocent blood by putting david to death
without a cause i mean it's not like a pretty good argument to me right i mean if anything's
going to kind of get through to Saul, then he kind of lays it all out there. Why would you want to do
this? I mean, he hasn't done, first of all, he hasn't done anything at all against you, which
is true. I mean, there's absolutely nothing that David has done to make Saul think I need to get
revenge or to make Saul think that David is out to get him. I mean, all of this is just kind of
in Saul's head. David
hasn't actually done anything or said anything
that has provoked Saul.
It's all self-provoked.
Well, this argument
is extremely easy to
make because it's so obvious.
It's like obviously true, right?
So there's no
reason for
Saul to be wanting to kill David.
David hasn't done anything.
So what makes this argument
difficult is you're
making this argument to a crazy person yes this is true like the argument itself is rock solid and
and you don't need to be some great orator to make this argument uh at all this argument is
like plain as day to probably anybody uh who heard this message that they should go and kill david
the big the big rub here is that saul is not right in the head and so uh that you are trying
to persuade somebody uh who is who is not thinking clearly because if he was thinking clearly he
wouldn't be contemplating such things at all yeah yeah and he even even quotes uh saul's own
own words against him if you remember back in in chapter 11 this is right after we meet saul for
the first time and the ammonites you remember the ammonites they besieged that city and they're like
the people of the city are like, make a covenant with us. And like, yeah, sure. We will. If you'll
like send out all your guys, we're going to gouge out all their right eyes. And then they send
throughout all Israel for someone to save them. And Saul gathers his men and he saves them.
And then at the, at the end of the battle, some of Saul's troops are like, Hey, who are those guys
who were saying that you shouldn't reign over us? Let's, let's come out and let's bring them out
and execute him. Well, at that point, Saul says this. He says, no, not a man shall be put to death
this day, for today the Lord has accomplished deliverance in Israel. So Saul said that,
and now Jonathan says to Saul, the Lord brought about a great deliverance for all Israel through
David. So Jonathan is saying, listen, you yourself way back would not put those guys to death
because you saw that the Lord accomplished a great redemption.
Well, same thing happened here with David.
He took out the Philistine giant.
The Lord accomplished great deliverance through him.
So don't do it.
So anyway, what is Saul going to say?
Well, verse 6 says that he actually listened.
He listened to Jonathan and he made a vow.
He says, as the Lord lives, he shall not be put to death.
So Jonathan calls David
Jonathan told him everything that he had said
Jonathan brought David to Saul
And he was in his presence
As formerly
I think Saul was like being honest
About this do you think he actually
Was truthful in this vow
He does not live up
To this particular vow
I mean I guess David does not
Get put to death but
Not for lack of trying
But
uh but uh yeah you know in my reading of it i think like i said like saul has these moments
of clarity um and i think that probably he's listened to the argument and he thinks it makes
sense i think saul went in his right mind uh yeah i think he i think he then means this
to be the case but what he can't account for saul is a man who is not in control
not just his emotions but but also his thought processes and his rage uh he's not he's not in
control of these things and so we'll see very quickly it will only take one thing a good thing
even before Saul is snapped again um and so yeah it's sort of you talk sense into somebody
uh but then something happens and that they that that sense has left uh on the heels of
another of another uh situation so yeah i think that he's probably sincere in the moment i don't
think he i don't think he means to lie to uh to jonathan nor do i think he means to take an oath
that he has every intention of breaking yeah yeah i agree with you uh i saw a couple of couple of
commentators that uh read this with suspicion but i think it's it's best read straightforward
he's he's in his right mind momentarily and so he he sees the logic of jonathan's argument and says
yeah you know you're right it would be bad it would be a sin it would be actually in my even
in my own best interest to not harm david and so i will make this vow not to not to put him to death
and i think one of the most persuasive parts of this argument is the part where jonathan is
pointing out what should be obvious, that David has made no plays for your crown. He has made no
moves to try to dethrone you or replace you. He has shown nothing. There has been no aggressive
moves on the part of David. He's done nothing but just served you and done whatever you've asked.
And so this, if you are temporarily in your right mind, this should speak to you in a way that says,
yeah this this suspicion i have is not well-founded there's there's i can't point to anything where
it's like well i'm suspicious of him because he did this or he did this other thing this this
part of the argument uh is pretty pretty solid if you're trying to talk to someone like why exactly
dad are you suspicious of him he hasn't he's he's only done good for you it's it's kind it's kind
of crazy that you would be so suspicious that he wants your position he's done nothing that would
imply that yeah if David had wanted to stage a coup at some point I don't think it would have
been very difficult for him to actually to to take control of the kingdom but as he will
demonstrate as he has demonstrated and as he will demonstrate over and over in the chapters that
follow he goes out of his way to avoid bringing any harm to bring any harm to Saul but we are
out of time so I guess we're gonna get to more spear throwing and a little bit of a household
idol, hiding, and some other good stuff in the rest of the chapter.
More Philistines got to die.
I'll tell you what, I don't know, but David is trying to rival Samson for greatest Philistine
slayer of all time.
He's got the Philistines number.
Yeah, he does.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, we will be back next week for all of that.
We'll see you then, Chad.
All right.
See you then.
We'll see you next week.
