40 Minutes In The Old Testament - 40 Minutes In The Old Testament: Episode 28

Episode Date: October 21, 2015

In this episode the guys discuss two of the worst plans that have popped into the heads of mankind and how God uses them.

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Good morning, fellas. Hey, good morning. Good morning. glad to be uh glad to be talking glad to glad everybody's joined us well uh i gave up on uh telling you what episode it is because i feel every time i doubt myself and i feel like there's a very good chance that i'm getting that wrong and i don't like to uh have all that doubt in my voice on this show so uh so i'm just gonna say it's another episode it's the next one or an old one if you're back listening a long time from now.

So, Chad, we're still talking about Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah and all of this sort of story is lingering, but I think we might wrap it up today. Yeah, we are. We are at what you might call the PS of the whole Sodom and Gomorrah story. This is the after, the after story.

It's pretty short, just about eight verses, but it's quite disturbing. And yet, in the midst of all this disturbance, there's a pretty awesome element of grace in here, too. So, yeah, it'd be good to talk about. But, yeah, we will. We definitely will get out of Sodom and Gomorrah and move on to chapter 20 today. Yeah, I feel like this is disturbing enough that we won't want to linger on it. I don't think we'll spend more than one week here. So why don't you go ahead and take us there?

Yeah, well, I'm sure most of our listeners have some familiarity with the story. The reason it's disturbing is because it involves drunkenness and incest and all of those things that, remarkably, the Bible does not shy away from recording for us. And that's one of the things that always strikes me about stories like this that you read in the Bible. It's obvious to anybody who reads these accounts that there was not any editing that took place. It's not like Moses said, this is too scandalous to record. Let's just forget this took place and move on with the rest of the story. No, I mean, time after time you encounter stories like this. we've already seen him with Abraham, we're going to see him again and again, where stories that do

not shed the best light on the people of God are set down in black and white for us to see, and for good reason, because it first of all teaches about human weakness and our tendency to give in to temptation, but above all else, it demonstrates that God is not looking for people who are perfect. He is searching out people who are lost and who are stained in order that he might embrace and forgive them. And this particular story is a great illustration of that. So here's what happened. You know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. If you've been listening to that, we've covered that thoroughly. But here's what happens after Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed. You may remember that Lot didn't want to go to the mountains. He was scared for whatever reason.

so he begged the angels to let him go to this little little podunk town called zoar so the angels are like all right you know fine just go there so that's where lot goes with his two daughters of course leaves his wife behind because she became the pillar of salt so there's just three left lot and uh and his two girls now this is where the story takes a little bit of a twist and we don't know exactly why but lot does go to zoar but it says that once he got there he was afraid to stay um you know maybe maybe the uh it was too close to the area of destruction he became frightened whatever whatever it might be he didn't stay very long in fact luther thinks that uh god was going to destroy zoar too and so lot took off from there and after a lot left god took out zoar

as well but anyway uh whatever the reason was that he was afraid he left and he ends up in the very place where he didn't want to go in the first place in the mountains and we find him of all places in a cave so he's in this cave with his two girls and we have this this plan that these girls put into put into action uh they've seen their mother turned into a pillar of salt they've seen everybody that they knew from their hometown reduced to ashes and here they are with their dad living in a cave in the mountains and you know presumably they're uh they're pretty distraught about everything that's happened confused and uh end up making some some really bad decisions but this is their plan the the oldest of the two girls says uh dad is old

and there's not a man on earth who's going to who's going to have intercourse with us so that we can we can uh have children their fiances have been destroyed back in sodom so she says here's what we're gonna do uh we have some wine here so let's make dad drunk and then we'll have sex with him and that way we can we can have children and that's what they end up doing uh the first night the older of the two gives the wine to uh to lot he gets drunk she has she has sex with him and uh The story records that Lot didn't know when she lay down or when she arose. So I suppose he was so inebriated that he didn't know what was happening. And then the second night, the younger of the two daughters did the same thing.

They get dad drunk again, and the older daughter says, all right, you do what I did, and this way we will preserve our family through our father. and so she did the same thing again lot didn't know what was going on didn't know when she lay down and when she arose and so verse 36 sums it up says thus both the daughters of lot were with child by their father so that is uh that's where we uh that's where we find ourselves after sodom uh not exactly a a happy ending to this largely unhappy story is it no this might be like the worst laid plan in all of scripture thus far this is a really bad plan yeah it's like one of those hey i have an idea no no no we we can't go there but they did there's so many there's so many things that have to be uh i mean you have to be using just the right amount of wine

where you got to be like blitz drunk but not passed out yeah it's like i mean it's like fine line sort of stuff because you can't this is not a plan that requires you to be like i think i've crossed the line it's it's not you know i feel i feel like it's you got to be a lot way that line has to be way back there somewhere but not so far back there that you're just like unconscious so uh yeah it's it's amazing you can have such a bad plan yeah and then execute it so perfectly they did they did a bad plan executed perfectly and uh uh, that, that sums it up pretty well. Uh, now, now what's kind of the, uh, the, the end of the story is, is pretty remarkable. Uh, and, and if you look at it, at least in a long-term perspective,

uh, so these girls, you know, they, they do what they did. They ended up pregnant with their, with their dad. He's now both the father and the grandfather of these, uh, these children and his two sons. And the one daughter, the firstborn, the oldest of the two, names her son Moab. And the younger of the two, when her son is born, names him Ben-Ami. And it says that he is the father of the sons of Ammon to this day.

So we've got here the patriarchs of these nations. And we're going to hear quite a bit about actually in the rest of the scriptures, the Moabites and the Ammonites both originate from this incest that occurs in a cave after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. You know, not exactly what you want as the first chapter in your family's biography, but that's the case with these two nations. Yeah, that's a horrifying Ancestry.com search right there. Yes, it is. It's not a search you want to do on a website. So where did your family come from? Next question.

You know what's amazing is that if Jesus were to type into Ancestry.com that, But lo and behold, lo and behold, he would find in his genealogy that a descendant of this union ends up in his own ancestry. You know, you keep going through the rest of the scriptures and you get to a couple of generations before David is born. And you find out that David, this great king who's in the line of the Messiah, of course, that his great grandmother is Ruth, and Ruth is a Moabitess. She is from the nation of Moab. Yep. Now, isn't that fascinating that in Christ-owned genealogy, we have a family that's as screwed up as this one is? And, of course, that's not the only one in Jesus' genealogy that has quite a checkered past, right?

Well, I'm of the opinion that name me a sin, I'll show it to you in Christ's lineage. It's all there, isn't it? It's all there. I mean, like, name one. Name a big one. It's there. Yeah, yeah. Name any of them and they're found there. And they're there. In the genealogy of Jesus, that's all we're going to find. Yeah, sure, we know, you know, some of these stories seem much more scandalous, these supersized sins than others. But it doesn't matter who you look at in the genealogy of Jesus.

He comes from a family that is full of sin, full of huge mistakes, full of scandal. And yet this is the family that he himself originates from. So though he himself is without sin, his genealogy is certainly not. So when it says that he became like unto us in all things except sin, as the book of Hebrews says, one of the ways they became alike unto us is that he also inherited a family tree that's full of all sorts of all sorts of problems brandy you look like you're ready to say something you look like you're uh you're uh yeah there's there's the uh scarlet thread um idea that uh you know we trace the scarlet thread of christ's lineage his genie going back through the genealogy his

ancestors and we see uh just something that came to mind was have you ever made those popcorn you string popcorn on a needle and thread yeah wrap it around the christmas tree or anything like that uh when we look at this it's basically like you've taken all the rotten kernels and popped them and now this scarlet line is being being threaded through all of them and it's dragging them all along. And what Christ is going to do here is basically purify all people before and after him through his shed blood on the cross. He's not ashamed to be picking these sins up, to be taking them upon himself, and to be eventually dying for them, and then rising for there and our justification. Yeah, you know, you look at his genealogy, it's very much like

his ministry. Who was he pursuing? Who were the lost sheep that he was pursuing? Well, the people that are very much like the folks in his genealogy. You know, he's the one who's not afraid to touch the leper, to welcome the public sinners, to embrace the outcast that the ultra righteous were keeping at a distance. So his genealogy is already an indication of the kind of ministry that the Messiah is going to have, one which does not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance, one who comes to take humanity into himself, a humanity that is spoiled, that's corrupt, that's sinful, and in his life, death, and resurrection, to grant us redemption from

everything that uh that we have that we that we have deserved because of who we are you know you know uh luther and a couple a lot of the other church fathers talk about this too but there's one sense in which sort of the the lineage of of sin you know uh sort of ends with christ because he's he's sinless but in another sense christ is the greatest sinner in all of his lineage uh you know luther talks this way and some of the other church fathers talk this way that that christ is the is the is the biggest sinner that he's that he's the utmost sinner because he became sin and so when you when you talk about uh you talk about christ and then he who knew no sin becoming sin it's it's sort of shocking to say it but uh at the cross we find christ uh being the

greatest of of all sinners and in his in his lineage that he takes assumes all of that into himself and and that's and that's where not just not just all the sin in his and his family is to be found but all the sin of the world all of mine and yours uh is it belongs to him it's it's his now and uh and and he puts it away and the father puts it away and uh and so it's sort of it's sort of strange to the mind a little bit and you sort of feel a little uncomfortable saying it but in one sense christ is the is the greatest sinner in his in his family lineage yeah he is uh paul talks about how in galatians about how how christ became a curse for us and of course he in uh in first corinthians as you referring to the he who knew no sin became sin that in him we might become

the righteousness of god so i mean uh to take this a little bit different direction too i think that's one of the reasons that we can say that Christ is the one that prays all of the psalms and that we pray them in and through him, not just the psalms that we think of as messianic, like, you know, Psalm 22, but all the psalms, even the psalms of confession is Christ as the one who becomes our sin, as the one who becomes the greatest sinner, confessing that. And then, So when we confess that we are sinners, we are joining our prayers to him, in him and with him, so that as he became our sin, so that we also become his righteousness. It's a radical idea, but it is also, it's what grace ultimately is, that God so loved the world that he became the world's sin that he might pronounce the world righteous in himself. yeah wow have you ever run into anybody a young person or otherwise who's who's wondered or

doubted or thought maybe that christ actually had committed sin you know i i haven't uh i haven't encountered someone like that have you i've run into a few people and i remember watching a video it's kind of one of these shock and awareness videos like a call to action we got to save the world you know look at what's happening to the u.s and certainly yeah i mean And the U.S. is becoming a mission field and an unreached people group on some level. So this video was basically illustrating through text and pictures and video of young people. And they were holding up these little signs like, I don't believe Jesus rose from the dead. I don't believe Jesus was true God, stuff like that.

And it was going through all of these. And it came to one and it said, me and 40% of young people believe that Jesus committed sins. Okay. I've always, at the time I was thinking, oh, we got to tell him that Jesus wasn't a sinner, but what if we could kind of flip this? And I have had people come to me and say, yeah, but Jesus, Jesus wasn't blameless. I mean, what about this place here? And what about this place here where the Pharisees are after him? I mean, he actually did that, right? He actually was a sinner. You know, he wasn't anyway. So, but I just got this idea. What if you, I kind of like to flip things on people like this and go oh yeah jesus was completely he was the biggest sinner

and what if we went with that direction and then explain it of course and this is what we mean by this and this is why this is good news for you i i um i think that'd be interesting it might it might kind of throw them off a little bit because i think a lot of times when they're when that gets brought up in a conversation at least in my experience they're kind of trying to flip the table on you and shock you a little bit with their with their uh statement there just this blatant statement oh i don't i don't believe it's this thing where where christ is the greatest sinner who ever lived but he committed no sin yeah yeah and explain it that way and you wrestle with that concept that he is he is he is the greatest of all sinners but he he he himself has committed no sin

yeah so the next time you've got somebody come to you and say that you can just be like oh yeah he was the greatest sinner who never committed a single sin i completely i'm completely there with you that's what you mean let's talk about that let me uh let me turn your accusation around and uh and tell you how actually uh this is this is what the gospel is that christ has become our sin so that in him we might become the righteousness of god yeah very good very good well anything else about this uh very uh interesting p.s to the son of ingamora story you guys want to want to talk about i think it's i think it's shocking that that i mean not to harp on this plan but even if you got this plan to work the fact that

both these girls ended up pregnant i mean just what are the what are the odds yeah what are the odds that one time uh one night and then the other night and both end up both end up pregnant the odds cannot be high no no no they're not yeah well well i mean well you do you do you do see the hand of god no matter what the the really messed up uh confused motivations of these girls might have been you see how the hand of god is at work in the midst of all this to bring out good in the end because here we have Moab and then Ruth comes from Moab

and lo and behold, she is one of the matriarchs in Christ's line. So it's one of the benefits that we have because we have the whole biblical story. They didn't. So we're able to see how kind of everything fits together in the big picture of the story of salvation.

I'm reminded of the platitude verse. God works all things together for good. We throw this verse out on people when bad stuff's happening. And this is true. I mean, it's true. It's a promise. And so obviously this is right. But when you take something like Ruth coming from this,

well, God is working that together for good. Ruth is pretty awesome. and then you end up with christ who's obviously uh pretty awesome uh but that's not exactly something lot's daughters get to see yeah so that that verse might ring a little hollow for them in their life but they say well i don't know this seems like a pretty bad mistake this seems like i'm not seeing the the good in this i'm not seeing how this is going to work out and uh I think that God's timing and God's working things together for good is not necessarily something that we even end up seeing. Yeah, I mean, the verse doesn't say, you know, God causes all things to work together for good in the near future.

Or in your lifetime. Or in your lifetime, yeah. I mean, you almost have to see that verse with almost an eschatological perspective. You know, you have to look at it in terms of how God in the end is going to work everything out for the best. You know, because there's, yeah, there's lots of things that happen in our lives where, you know, we're on our deathbed and we have no idea why it happened, what good came out of it. But we don't have that perspective of God. We're not the one whose hand is guiding history. So it's an article of faith.

Just like all the promises of God are. He will cause it to work together for good, whether we realize it or not, whether it happens in our lifetime, whatever it might be, the promise remains sure. Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but I don't recall really another mention of Lot in Scripture except passing references to him like righteous Lot. But he doesn't really get to go on and do something great to redeem all the mistakes that have been carried out through his line here, his life. That's really not for him to do here, is it? No, it's not. In fact, this is it. For Lot, this is his closing chapter in the biblical story.

uh he uh i was reading luther this morning on on this particular section and luther says they hear moses buries lot that is to say he's he drops from the story in fact luther thinks that lot didn't very live very long after this because of all the the torture of soul and vexation and everything else he'd experienced i mean you think about it you just lose everything that you had you're you just watched your wife uh turn into a pillar of salt you find out that your girl's got you drunk and now you're the father of of their their unborn children talk about uh you know talk about some stress talk about uh some some anguish of heart and soul that that would cause so maybe yeah maybe a lot did die shortly after this i can see you checking out all right i'm done

i'm done yeah i'm just just go ahead god take me before i mess up again yeah because yeah that that does seem to be the way lot's life goes he's not exactly a beacon of beacon of light in the biblical story i'm telling you that if if we didn't know otherwise from new testament uh writers it would be the majority christian opinion that that lot did not make the cut yeah not that righteous after all uh no nope lot lot burning in hell for sure uh-huh yeah but we know otherwise yeah we know otherwise and it's that's one of the great uh you know one of the great promises that we have that comes out of his comes out of his life that when peter talks about how he's righteous well yeah he's righteous he's righteous vertically that is god declares him to be righteous on account of

his faith in the promised seed but if you look at his life horizontally that righteousness isn't there i mean look at the guy he he purposely chose to live in sodom stayed there did all of this stuff ended up you know ending his life the way uh the way this story records it so there's yeah what are you going to pick out as righteous nothing nothing that we can see and yet he is because he had faith in the seed and that faith was reckoned to him as righteousness yeah that's why i like lot uh in some ways uh because i i i see way too much myself reflected in his in his story when lot's name rises again it rises righteous just like we when we rise again when we are resurrected at the last day yeah we'll be righteous we'll be right amen all right you

guys you guys ready to jump into the next story back to abraham do it all right okay this is uh this is what you might call same song, second verse, uh, story about Abraham. We're in Genesis chapter 20 now. And, uh, you recall early on in the Abraham story, uh, we had, uh, we had the mess that happened in Egypt. Remember there was a famine in the promised land. Uh, so Abraham takes his family down into Egypt and while they're down there or actually on the way is when Abraham asks Sarah to, uh,

He says, listen, you're very attractive. You're a very beautiful woman, so do this for me. If we get down there, just tell everybody you're my sister and not my wife. And so she does, and the whole plan backfires because Pharaoh's servants end up taking Sarah into Pharaoh's house. She's part of his harem, and Abraham ends up benefiting from this. He ends up getting rich because the Pharaoh thinks that he is Sarah's brother. And if God had not stopped this situation, if he had not intervened and made the adultery cease,

then no telling how long it would have gone on. So God intervened, and he brought Sarah out of there, restored her to Abraham, and they left Egypt. Now, you would think that when that happened, that Abraham would have learned his lesson, right? i mean you wouldn't want anything like that to happen again and uh so obviously abraham having experience at once would uh would not repeat the same thing again and yet here we are genesis chapter 20 and uh let's see i'm gonna i'm just gonna read a little bit here so uh abraham journeyed from there, presumably from the Oaks of Mamre, where he had been

camped out for so long, toward the land of the Negev, and settled between Kadesh and Shur, and then he sojourned in Gerar. And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, she is my sister.

And Abimelech, the king of Gerar, sent and took Sarah. I don't get it. I thought, you know, once you've messed up, once you've made a mistake like Abraham made back in Egypt, I mean, you're not going to repeat it again. Probably didn't repent. Yeah, probably didn't repent because we all know that the person who truly repents never does the same thing again, right?

Exactly, exactly. I have never, ever done the same thing twice. I mean, basically, we really only sin 10 times in our life, one for each of the commandments. That's it. That's it. I repent for each one and never break it again. I never, right.

Because if you ever do break the same commandment twice, obviously you weren't repentant the first time, right? Yeah. I repented for not loving God with all my heart, mind, soul, and strength and been loving him. been loving him full time ever since yeah ever since then i've been just just crushing that one you know the the the longer we spend in the life of abraham uh it's amazing to me how my uh my sunday school picture of him has has changed over the over the course of studying his life

you know he uh he certainly is a great man of faith he uh he is uh the patriarch of israel He's a man who did many great things God through him did many great things But man His life is just full Of sins Full of In fact

Not just sins but here we have Doing the same thing Doing the same thing again This is just a plan that This is just a plan That didn't work at all the first time Well you know actually he did get some stuff yeah yeah he did get some stuff he did get rich as a result maybe he's like

last last time i mean it wasn't really like the most righteous plan but uh we got paid yeah yeah that's right he uh he got paid uh like a pimp does uh he uh he ended up getting pretty rich off of off of everything that uh that pharaoh gave to him now let's uh let's talk a little bit more about this story because it gets even better. You'll remember that the king of Egypt was pretty mad at Abraham when he found out what had happened. Now, this Abimelech is quite a character. Let me tell you kind of what happens as the story goes on. So, Abimelech's got Sarah, and God comes to Abimelech in a dream, and he says, look, you're a dead man. I love the way it starts. Look, you're a dead man because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is married.

And this is still in the dream. Abimelech, it says, had not come near her. So Abimelech has not had sex with Sarah. And he says to God in this dream, Lord, will you slay a nation even though blameless did he himself talk about abraham did abraham himself not say to me she's my sister and she herself said he's my brother in the integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands i have done this okay let me pause there for a second because i'm trying to figure out if i've ever been able to say that in my life i think this guy this guy might be like the most righteous guy ever well well he certainly he certainly comes across that way in his own self-description right yeah you know i he's saying to god listen god i know i know that you're a just

and a righteous god well look at me in the integrity of my heart and the innocence of my hands i have not touched this woman well i think about this he's he's basically talking to god as if he is this perfect, righteous man who has done no wrong. And it's because of his own righteousness, of his own integrity, that he has not sinned. But let me wrap up this little section because this is the killer part here. God said to him in the dream, Yes, I know that in the integrity of your heart you have not done this. and i also kept you from sinning against me therefore i did not let you touch her

so abimelech is saying because i'm such a good guy i didn't do this and god is saying okay all right yeah you have integrity that that's good but but listen listen abimelech the reason you didn't sin is because i didn't let you yeah no yeah he's like he's like because i'm so good i didn't do this thing he's like no god's like no because i'm so good you didn't do this exactly yeah that's exactly what's going on so abimelech you know he's trying to put his best foot forward as he's as he's talking to god in this dream and god says look look uh i'm the one who kept this from happening not you i would have been trying to spin this like you know i would have been i've been thinking hard and i would have been like look god i mean i saw this 75 year old woman she's not

i thought she wasn't married i'm just trying to like like hook someone up uh i don't know what i mean i'm just trying to do the right thing here you know right yeah sympathy i mean yeah she's not bad looking but which is also one of the crazy things about this the fact that you can pull this off with your 75 year old wife twice is oh actually it's worse than this uh she's older she's actually 90 now that's crazy yeah this is crazy she was 65 when they went down to egypt yeah she's uh she's 90 years old this this blows my mind 25 years later he's like worked once you're still you're still you're still looking pretty good yeah so they uh his plan is not going is not going so well so let me wrap up the dream here uh god has one more thing to say to him

he says now therefore restore the man's wife for he is a prophet and he will pray for you and you will live but if you do not restore her know that you shall surely die you and all who are yours nothing like god telling you to have a liar pray for you yeah you know it's it both these stories fascinate me the one in egypt and the one here in gerar because in both cases uh you know abraham gets to leave with all the loot that pharaoh had given to him in egypt he leaves a rich man and here uh he's called the prophet and uh abimelech is to ask him to be an intercessor for him i don't know what to make of that i guess i guess i guess the most we can say is that you know when you look at this story

It doesn't matter if you're looking at Abimelech. It doesn't matter if you're looking at Abraham or Sarah. You know, there are no heroes in this story. Everybody, everybody's a sinner. Sarah didn't say anything. Abimelech has taken Sarah. Abraham, of course, lies about his relationship with Sarah. Right. So, God still is using Abraham as an intercessor, as a prophet,

in order that he might pray that God would have mercy upon Abimelech. Are you trying to tell me that sometimes God will still use people after they've blown it multiple times? Yeah, you know, it does seem to suggest that, doesn't it? It does. It seems straight. I mean, like, can you imagine if somebody, like, set you up for, like, the worst thing in the world and God is, like, so upset that he says you're a dead man and you didn't even know? And he's like, go have that guy pray for you. What? Yeah.

Go have the man that lied to you pray for you, intercede for you. Talk about a camaraderie of sinners here. That's what it is. This whole story is just saturated with mercy on the part of God because he's got to show mercy to every single person involved in this story. It shows you that prayer, as far as people praying for one another, even if it's the patriarch of Israel or your pastor or whatever, your friend, whatever it is, all that type of prayer is just one sinner praying for another sinner.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is. It's one sinner praying for another sinner, and all of our prayers being filtered through the prayer of our great high priest. Ultimately, we never pray alone. We pray with the church, and we also, as the church, pray through our bridegroom, Christ. That's the only reason any of our prayers are heard and accepted is because they passed, as it were, from our mouth into the ear of Christ and out His mouth again to the Father. And like everything that we do, are filtered through and made perfect by Him. Are we out of time? We are out. That is the end.

Well, at least we got out of Sodom. We lived up to our promise for once. Yeah, very good. Well, I guess we'll pick up with the rest of the story next time. I feel like a very righteous truth teller right now. Yeah. Let's just ask everybody to pray for us. That's what we need.

Just remember that the prayer of a righteous person availeth much, but it doesn't necessarily mean your righteousness. You don't seem to have a whole lot. No, we don't. Thank God for the imputed righteousness of Christ. All right. Well, guys, thank you for joining us, and hopefully we will be back next week.