40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Daniel 7:5-11 (Episode 517)

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

In this episode, Daniel's vision is explored in depth, revealing the succession of world kingdoms and culminating in the divine courtroom scene that points to the ultimate reign of the Messiah. Have a listen. More from 1517: ·       Support the work at 1517 ·       1517 on Youtube ·       1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts ·       1517 Events Schedule ·       1517 Academy - Free Theological Education New Books from 1517 Publishing: ·       The Turk at the Door by Adam Francisco ·       Luther and the Lion: A Narnian Catechism by Samuel Schuldheisz ·       By Water and the Word by Brian Thomas ·       Being Family by Dr. Scott Keith More from the hosts: ·       Daniel Emery Price ·       Chad Bird Follow 1517:  Instagram X/Twitter Facebook

Welcome to another episode of 40 Minutes in the Old Testament. 40 Minutes in the Old Testament is a 1517 Podcast Network podcast. You can go to 1517.org slash podcast. Check out all the other podcasts that are living over there. And while you're over there, make sure you check out everything else that 1517 is doing. Go sign up for an academy, you know, or a bunch of academies, you know, sign up for some other podcasts, go to an event, buy some books, watch some videos, so much stuff going on over there.

And if you want to support all the stuff that's going on over there, because I mean, unless you're literally buying something like a book, you can do all this other stuff for free. And the reason that's possible and the reason you don't have to listen to a bunch of ads scattered throughout this podcast is because people support it. So you can go over to the donate link, become a supporter. We very much appreciate those of you who do that. Chad, we are in Daniel chapter seven. We got through the first four verses. This is a change in Daniel. So up to this point, you know, you're like hearing the story about Daniel and his three buddies and, you know, their persecution, the God constantly delivering them over and over again.

And in 7, it changes, and you have Daniel having a vision. And unlike, you know, maybe Nebuchadnezzar's vision or something like that, where Daniel just expressly tells you, hey, man, this is what it all is, and then that thing happens, and so you know exactly that that's what it is, you got to do some interpreting on this one. So in this vision, the big thing here is that we got through is saw some beasts, Some different kinds of beasts, and four of them to be exact. And that's kind of where we ended, and we're going to talk about what these beasts could possibly be.

Yeah, one of the ironies, back to what you were saying a minute ago, is that we have, after he has the vision, then we have an angel, an interpreter, which is pretty typical in apocalyptic literature, who stands up and gives an interpretation, but even the interpretation is open to interpretation. Yeah, you don't have like a narrative of these things then happening, and you're like, that is this, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, as most people know, Daniel is, especially from Daniel 7 onward,

it's very much like the revelation of the Old Testament. You know, everybody's familiar with the fact that Revelation has scores of interpretive directions that people take it. But, you know, Daniel's not much different. And, of course, Daniel and Revelation are twins. We've got the Old Testament and the New Testament twins going on here. So needless to say, that's going to lead to lots of different takes on this. So we'll see where our conversation leads us.

But, yeah, we've got the vision that Daniel has now. Now, of course, we had the dream visions of Nebuchadnezzar back in chapter two, where he had the statue of the golden head and all the way down different metals to his to the feet. And there's some parallels between what Nebuchadnezzar saw in that vision and what's happening in Daniel chapter seven. There's plenty of differences, too. But overall, there's a lot of shared shared features of these two visions. Except, of course, here you don't have a pagan king and then Daniel stepping up and saying, well, here's what it all means. You have now Daniel having the vision, and you're going to have an angelic interpreter who's going to come in and interpret at least various elements of the vision. So the first thing you see is back in chapter verse two, just to kind of recap from what we covered at the end of the last episode.

You have the four winds of heaven stirring up the great sea. And then you've got these four great beasts coming up out of the sea. Each one is different from the other. And we just touched on the first one of these. The first was like a lion with eagle's wings. And when Daniel was looking, its wings were plucked off. It was lifted up from the ground, made to stand on two feet like a man, and the mind of a man was given to it. So as we discussed last time, this is the Babylonian Empire, the lion-like empire with eagle's wings.

You kind of got this, you know, the king of the land and the king of the air with the lion and the eagle. And then we connected that to Nebuchadnezzar, to that time when he was proud, arrogant, and then God humbled him by making him act like a beast until finally his reason returned to him. So that last phrase about the mind of a man given to him is going to link up with what happened to Nebuchadnezzar. So the lion eagle figure is going to be the Babylonian Empire. All right, now picking up with where we left off last time, verse 5. We're going to get to the second beast now. And behold, another beast, a second one, like a bear. It was raised up on one side.

It had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And I was told, and it was told, arise, devour much flesh. That's pretty clear, isn't it? Yeah. It sounds like it already was. It's got a rack of ribs in its mouth. Yeah. Yeah. So this second bear-like beast is going to be the empire of the Medes and the Persians. Of course, we've already heard about them earlier in Daniel. So we have the Babylonian empire, which is going to be, of course, replaced by the empire of the Medes and the Persians.

Probably, this is the way I think that most commentators lean, this idea of it being raised up on one side suggests that one part of this kind of twin empire of the Medes and Persians was stronger than the other one. And the one that's raised up on one side would have been the Persians, who eventually overshadowed the Medes. Now, the three ribs in its mouth, which, of course, is indicative of him overcoming and devouring something, could possibly be in reference to the empires or the nations of Lydia, Babylon, and Egypt, all the three, of course, which were overcome by the Medes and the Persians. And then that last line about being told, arise, devour much flesh is just in reference to the fact that you have this bear-like Medes and Persians empire that's going to be conquering kingdoms. So devouring much flesh, just like a bear would. And that's all that's said about that particular empire. And not much will be said in the interpretation section of it either. so we got we got the lion eagle babylonian empire now we got the bear medes and persians empire so

far and then we go immediately into the next one so after he's told arise devour much flesh verse six picks up saying after this i looked and behold another that is another another image this one's like a leopard with four wings of a bird on its back and the beast had four heads and dominion was given to it all right so now we're into uh if we know our history it's really not too difficult to interpret what's going on here because the babylonian empire conquered by the medes and the persians and then the medes and the persians conquered by the greeks of course under the leadership of Alexander the Great. So this leopard-like empire, which is smaller in size, of course, than a lion or a bear,

but also very fast, matches exactly what happened with the conquest that were led by Alexander the Great, who, of course, inherits the kingdom from his father, Philip of Macedon, and with much fewer troops than the Persian Empire had, in a leopard-like sort of way, advanced all the way through modern-day Turkey, Asia Minor, and then into Persia, just conquering left and right. And the four wings of a bird on its back is probably an indication of the speed at which this conquest came about. Then we're told the beast had four heads and dominion that was given to it. This is probably in reference to the fact that after the death of Alexander in 323 B.C., he was only 32 years old, which is just astonishing.

I mean, it's just crazy. The older you get, the younger that sounds, huh, Jack? Oh, yeah. I mean, 32? Are you serious? Yeah. There's a—I know this is an aside, but there's a couple of ancient records of Julius Caesar. it's told in different ways either he came upon an inscription or a statue of alexander the great and he uh his his buddies found him weeping they're like what's wrong with you he's like i'm just so distraught because alexander the great accomplished all these things by the time he was 32 and julius caesar was like 33 at the time and he's like i haven't done anything in

comparison. So who has? That's a tough bar. Yeah, that's a pretty tough bar to surpass there. So anyways, after the death of Alexander at 32 years old in 323, then his kingdom was divided between his four generals. And we'll have occasion to come back to that probably multiple times in the course of our journey through Daniel. And basically you have his empire at that point that is split between his four generals. And we'll hear much more about one of those. It was the part that controlled Syria and Palestine. We'll be talking about that in later chapters.

But anyway, that is the leopard. So you've got the leopard-like Greek empire that is coming after the bear, which came after the lion. There's not a ton to debate about this. I mean, I suppose you can if you want, but this is sort of – this is all straightforward if you have that 20-20 hindsight. Yeah. Yeah, and I think most – besides some critical commentaries which are going to – many of which will just kind of discount any prophetic ability or any miracles or anything like that. I mean generally speaking, Christian interpreters are agreed on the interpretation of what we've been describing here.

And it matches what we saw in Nebuchadnezzar's vision back in Daniel chapter 2. So, so far, so good. Now, verse 7 is going to begin the last image of the beast. And here's where we get much more information. Not only here, but after the vision that Daniel has when he has this angelic interpreter, it's this part of the vision that's going to be explained in more detail. So, so far, everything just kind of straightforward, and this is where things get a little bit more detailed. So, let me read 7 and 8.

After this, I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast. Now, this beast is not compared to any animal. It's not compared to a lion, bear, leopard, anything like that. Nothing in creation. But he is described this way. a fourth beast terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong all right well so how was it terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong we have some details it had great iron teeth and it devoured and broken pieces and stamped what was left with its feet it was different from all

the beasts that were before it and it had 10 horns i consider the horns and behold there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth speaking great things. So if you remember back in Nebuchadnezzar's vision in chapter two, you had the image at the bottom of the statue of iron and then iron mixed with clay now we have a parallel here between what's happening here because it had this fourth beast terrifying dreadful and exceedingly strong had great iron teeth and there's another another parallel hill too because it said it devoured and broke in pieces and then stamped what was left with its feet now the aramaic word that's used

verb that's used there, dakach, it's translated here as broken pieces. That's the same verb that's used back in Daniel chapter two to describe the legs of iron, which is in reference to the empire or the kingdom of Rome. Back in Daniel 2.40, we read, there shall be a fourth kingdom strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters. And like iron that crushes, it shall break forth and crush all these. So that same verb used to describe what happened with the legs of iron and the feet of iron and clay is used here in reference also to this terrifying fourth beast with the iron teeth. So we've gone from Babylonian empire, empire of Mesian Persians, and then to the kingdom of Greece. And now we're finally at the kingdom of Rome, which is, as it says here,

unlike the other ones. And historically, that would be true as well. I mean, what Alexander did and the Empire of Greece was definitely amazing, but overshadowed by what Rome was able to accomplish as they began to spread from Italy all the way to what they became over the course of time to comprise the Roman Empire. So it was different from all the beasts that were before it, And then it had ten horns, and when he was looking at the horns, there came up another horn, a little one, before which three of the horns, first horns were plucked up by the roots, and in this horn were the eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Now, this is where a lot of the interpretations go different directions. The way that I think is faithful to what's being described here, as well as faithful to the echoes of this that happens in the book of Revelation, as well as other parts of scripture, is that you've got, well, we'll get to the interpretation later in the chapter, but this is a depiction of, yeah, the Roman empire to be sure. And then you have these 10 horns, which we'll get to in a little bit later, is the gradual outgrowth of the Roman empire into lots of different nations and empires that came after it and came out of it. And then there's this little horn, this horn that was described as eyes like the eyes of a man and

a mouth speaking great things, that this is in reference to the Antichrist, who would appear in different sorts of ways in Scripture, different sorts of ways throughout history. But basically, It's the image of that worldly power that is against the faith and that will do whatever it takes, especially in speaking falsehoods, which is described here as speaking great things, in order to undermine the truth that is being taught in the kingdom of God. Yeah, it's funny that it – the description at first, you know, you have these animals, and it's all stuff that you can kind of like get your head around where you're like, okay, it's like a leopard with wings. Okay, it's like a bear. It's got like these ribs in its mouth. You're like, okay. And it's like, okay.

And then there's just like just this beast, and it's just got, you know, iron teeth. And you're like, all right. And it's just exceedingly strong. And it's got these – all these horns, and you're like trying to get a vision in your head of like what this thing looks like. And then there's this little horn that pops up, and this is when things get weird. And it's like smaller than the other one. There's a little horn, and it's got these eyes like a man, and it's talking. And you're like, wait, what?

Yeah. Yeah, you can definitely understand why. To read from, this is the very last part of Daniel chapter 7. You can understand why Daniel's reaction was this. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly alarmed me, and my color changed, and I kept the matter in my heart. Yeah, I can understand that. I mean, just the vision itself would be enough to make anyone greatly alarmed by what's being seen. And you're right.

You get to the point where it's like it's pretty hard to visualize this. I mean, I'm sure there have been various artistic depictions of this, but we're clearly moving in the away from just kind of your typical pictures of animals. You can picture a bear with three ribs in his mouth, but you can't picture a terrifying beast with these 10 horns. And then this little horn that pops up replaces the other three horns. And it's got this horn has eyes like the eyes of a man. And this horn also has a mouth speaking great things. Yeah, we've moved into the surreal at this point. But, you know, that's apocalyptic. Apocalyptic is not designed to simply give you kind of a straightforward image of something from nature. There's all sorts of hybrid kinds of creatures that are part animal, part human, part just something that is from another realm. And that's what's, of course, being described here.

Now we're going to get into, this will be interpreted a little bit more as we go along. But at this point, in a way, that's the image that we have before us. And the main thing, the main thing to take away from this is that, okay, we've got these successive kingdoms. And of course, all of these are kingdoms of the world. They're kingdoms which God in his providence, of course, is governing. He has the Babylonians replaced by the Medes and Persians And then the Medes and Persians replaced by the Greek Empire And then the Greek replaced by the Roman Empire

It's not as if all of these are arising without God's involvement providentially But all of these are kingdoms of the world And each of these rise and then they fall As kingdoms always do These are kingdoms that are part of this world Now, we're about to hear, beginning with verse 9, about a far different kingdom and a far different king whose kingdom will not have an end. And this echoes what we've already seen with regard to Daniel chapter 2, where you have this stone that's plucked by no human hand, and it strikes the feet of the image that are part iron, part clay. and the whole thing comes crashing down and then that small stone becomes a large mountain that

fills the earth now that's describing the kingdom of the messiah that comes and overpowers all the kingdoms of the world and then it proceeds to then fill the fill the entire earth picture the kingdom of god spreading well we're going to have something like that happening in beginning with daniel chapter 7, verse 9, it's under different images, but the same kind of theological reality is at work. All right. So, verse 9, Daniel's having more vision. If he thinks things have been strange so far, well, he's in for even more because he says, as I looked, thrones, not a throne, but thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool. His throne was fiery flames. Its wheels were burning fire. A stream of

fire issued and came out from before him. A thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court sat in judgment, and the books were opened. Man, I feel like we could spend the whole rest of the episode just going over these details. Don't worry, we won't, but there's plenty here to talk about. As soon as you be like, all right, and then here comes the Ancient of Days, now you know you're dealing with someone altogether different than everything else that you've talked about, right? Like, what's the thing about these other images, these kings, these beasts, whatever they are, is one replaces the other, you know, and there's no ancient of days going on here. I mean, these are all limited in days.

Now, all of a sudden, you see someone who has always been. Yeah, it's pretty, you know, of all the titles for God in the scriptures, I think the coolest has to be ancient of days. It's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good. The Aramaic is Atik Yomim, which you could translate as like ancient one, aged one, but I think ancient of days, which is a pretty literal translation, is definitely the best way to go with this. So this would be, now what sets this apart is that this is a picture of the father. Now, what makes that unique is if you look in the whole rest of Scripture, we don't have any other physical descriptions of the Father. This is the only one we have in the entire Bible.

You have depictions of the Son of Man, which we'll get to in just a minute, of course. But the Ancient of Days is not described anywhere else in Scripture like this. Now, the description itself, like clothing is white as snow, the hair of his head like pure wool, that is a way of describing Jesus in Revelation. So there's some Trinitarian stuff going on here because the Ancient of Days is here described in a way that also fits the way that the Son of God is described in the book of Revelation. In particular, the hair of his head like pure wool and his clothing is white as snow. So there's this shared visual depiction of the Father, the Ancient of Days, as well as the Son of God. Now, one thing to point out, too, is that thrones were placed here at the beginning. Not a throne, but thrones, which, of course, leads to the obvious question, well, who is the other throne for, or who are the other thrones for?

And by far, the agreement is that this is for, one throne is for the Ancient of Days, and then one throne is for the one who's going to be coming up here in a few minutes, the Son of Man. In fact, for those who have maybe done some reading or heard some videos about the two powers controversy, which is part of Judaism toward the end of the first century, beginning of the second century, where some Jews have been teaching that there were two powers in heaven, and the two powers in heaven is based upon the thrones in Daniel 7, verse 9. And one of these thrones was for the Son of Man. Now, what's interesting is that—I don't want to get too far afield on this, but it is pretty fascinating. We know that before the rise of Christianity, There were Jews who taught that these thrones were for the Ancient of Days and the Son of Man.

Now, when Christians began to teach about the exaltation, the enthronement of Christ as the Son of Man, and used Daniel 7, verse 9 to do that, And then what some Jews had held beforehand as a correct explanation of Daniel 7-9 was afterward, after Christians began using this as a messianic text, that view was now declared by the Jews as heretical. And any rabbis who held to it were declared to be guilty of heresy. So you see how this works. Before the advent of Christianity, before the enthronement of the Son of Man, then it was interpreted to be, yeah, one for the Son of Man, one for the Messiah, one for the Ancient of Days. Now, when the Messiah came and Christians were like, yeah, look, you're exactly right, then that became declared heresy by later rabbis. Yeah, I mean, once you start having the New Testament writers talk about, you know, Christ seated at the right hand of God. I mean, this is what they're talking about, you know, like the throne that Stephen believes he sees Jesus, you know, well, not believes he does see Jesus stand up from is this throne.

And yeah, even I mean, even to say something like that to to the people that are Jewish people are about to kill you is not helping them not want to kill you anymore. Yeah. Yeah, that was when it was over for Stephen, for sure, which he knew. When he began that speech, he knew that this would be his swan song. This would be the end. Stephen was not coming out of this alive, and he knew it. And so when he said what he said about the Son of Man standing, then yeah, that was definitely the end. And Jesus himself, of course, in his trial, when he says, yes, and you shall see the Son of Man standing at the right hand of the Father, then he too was making reference to Daniel chapter 7. And that was the same as for Stephen. That was a point where then the high priest, as well as the rest of the Sanhedrin, declared that he was guilty, guilty of death. In other words, every Jew of the first century knew what was going on in Daniel chapter 7. this throne, this other throne was for the Messiah, was for the Son of Man. And for someone to claim that they were that Son of Man was, of course, for them to claim that they were the

Messiah. And that was what finally sealed the fate of Jesus, if you want to put it that way. That's what led into the Sanhedrin condemning him was his declaration in the Gospels during his trial. Now, the throne is described as not just fiery flames, but its wheels were burning fire. Now, this takes us to the chariot throne that Ezekiel saw in chapter 1, verses 15 through 28, this chariot throne, where Ezekiel himself saw one with a human appearance on that throne. So this is the throne that is the Merkava, as it's called. It's a chariot throne, kind of moves here. It's got the wheels within wheels and it's being moved here and there. It leaves the Holy of Holies because the temple has been polluted. It goes to the Mount of Olives

and thus then the temple has been vacated of God's glory. So this is that same throne. So it's not a stable one, but it's actually has wheels that are burning fire and able to move around. And then you have a stream of fire issuing, coming from the throne. And then you have thousand thousands, 10,000 times 10,000 standing before him. This is the image that you have in Revelation 5, 11, 2, where you have myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands of angels who are around the throne of God. And then it ends by saying this whole scene, which is being described in verse 9 and 10, is a courtroom. It's the heavenly courtroom, because the court sat in judgment, and then the books were opened. Now, the books being opened here, that's not going to be

discussed more in Daniel chapter 7, but we have plenty of references in the rest of Scripture to books being part of the heavenly court. Well, two books in particular. You have books in which you have recorded deeds. And then, of course, you have the book of life, where the names of those who belong to Christ are written. So here, it's just the books are open. Presumably, this is talking about the books that are going to lead to the judgment, which is coming afterward. I mean, he doesn't hide the ball here. I mean, he says that they're going to—he says this is the judgment, right? I mean, he says, hey, they're taking the seats. There's going to be some judging going on uh one of the things that's also interesting about the this being the you know

christ that's who's in this other throne is um this is so much the belief that i mean this is makes its way into creedal christianity so like every christian every orthodox christian believes this right so uh right there in your own uh apostles creed you're like yeah like he is seated that's like he has a seat in heaven it's uh it is a throne right actually right next to the father that's where uh that's where he is that's where he's sitting yeah in fact uh so this is the uh the image of christ seated at the right hand of the father or in a throne beside the father uh i mean it's from daniel 7 obviously but also it dovetails with psalm 2 where you have the he's described as the anointed one messiah he's described as the the son of god and he's the one

who's the king and he's the one who therefore has the the power the rule given him by god and more specifically it's taken us to psalm 110 verse 1 which as i uh often point out is the most quoted verse from the old testament in the new testament the lord said to my lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet. So Psalm 110, verse 1, what Jesus himself quotes in reference to the Messiah, it's all over the book of Hebrews, it's all over the book of Acts, it's all over the Gospels. Psalm 110, verse 1, about the Lord, that is the Messiah, being seated at the right hand of the Father, that is unpacking what we have in Daniel 7, and then it's all then fulfilled,

of course, at Christ's ascension and His enthronement. So yeah, that's part of the foundational confession of Christianity, is that what's happening in Daniel 7 is not something that's down the road. This is not something which is going to happen at the end of time or something. This has happened already. As soon as Christ ascended, he sat down at the right hand of the Father, there reigning until he puts all his enemies under his feet. You know what I think is tough is when you're talking about stuff like this. So I know, because I know somebody that is a modalist, just straight up, which is the weirdest of all things to be. Because even in a text like this you're like how does that work like i don't understand how it works

and and so modalism is the idea that it's you've got a unitarian god who appears in different modes or in different forms right so this is rejection of trinitarianism and yet you have this one god who sometimes appears this way sometimes appears that way but you don't have any idea of any any any embrace of the fact that you have three persons as part of the one god yeah you have like this uh like kind of shape-shifty god and but that doesn't make sense like what a shape-shifty god doesn't need two thrones he just needs one throne he can just sit in it in whatever form he wants you know uh why you got two thrones and why how can you can't sit beside yourself right yeah yeah modalism falls apart with uh any number of texts to the scriptures i mean

this one the baptism of jesus of course is one of the more obvious ones where you have the father speaking from heaven you have the sun in the water you have the holy spirit appearing in the form of the dove there's no way that modalism uh works with these biblical narratives no uh or Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane praying to himself. Yes, right. Yeah. Okay, so not trying to make fun of him all this year. It just popped in my head because I had had a recent conversation,

and I was like, you know, this isn't the go-to text or anything, but it turns out it is yet another one that you're like, hey, bro, question. How does God sit next to himself? How does that work? Yeah, these kind of texts destroy modalism and support, of course, the traditional doctrine of the fact that you have Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It not only works theologically, but it works with narratives or visions, just like we have in Daniel 7. Okay, so we have kind of a transition here with verse 11 and 12. So we've seen the vision of the Ancient of Days and the fiery throne and his physical description.

Now we're going to go back to the horn just for a minute. Verse 11 says, I looked then because of the sound of the great words that the horn was speaking. This horn has a lot to say. The horn with eyes. He earlier was speaking great things. here we're told that he was still speaking a little bit farther down he verse 25 the same horn shall speak words against the most high and shall wear out the saints of the most high so that's important because this horn the antichrist or antichrist if you want to think

of it in a plurality, does a lot of talking. That's his main weapon. That's the main way that he is anti-Christ, set against Christ. It's not so much through violence or through oppression of some sort, but rather by talking, by false doctrine, by lies, by deception, by all these sorts of things. So the sound of the great horn, that the words that the horn was speaking. And as I looked, the beast was killed and its body destroyed and given over to be burned with fire. As for the rest of the beast, that is the bear and the leopard and all the ones we talked about before. As for the rest of the beast, their dominion, now ESV has, was taken away. I think a better translation of that would be had been taken away.

So as for the rest of the beast, their dominion had been taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season and a time. So the horn's talking. Of course, this is in the whole judgment scene. And while Daniel is looking on, the beast, that is this fourth beast, the terrifying beast, it's killed. It's body destroyed. It's given over to be burned with fire.

And in reference to the other beasts, their dominion had been taken away, but their lives were prolonged for a season at a time. In other words, as these kingdoms, the previous three kingdoms, as they were destroyed or overcome, it wasn't like they just immediately vanished. They lasted for a little bit longer. They were prolonged for a season at a time. But of course, they were eventually completely overcome by the success of kingdoms. Now, this ends, therefore, with a picture of the final destruction and judgment, not just of the previous kingdoms, but this fourth kingdom, this beast that's killed, this body destroyed, given over to be burned, burned with fire.

Now, Revelation is going to pick up on this, of course, in chapter 19 and 20 in particular, where you have the beast and the false prophet and the devil. Where are they all thrown? Of course, they're thrown into the lake of fire. They're given to be burned with fire. So Daniel's seeing like all world history right here. He's not just looking like, okay, here's what's going to happen in the next hundred years. He's given a perspective that's taken him all the way to the very end, all the way to finally when you have all the anti-God forces that are destroyed at the final judgment. Yeah, I mean, it is interesting that he said, yeah.

And this little horn, like, wouldn't shut up until someone just finally killed this thing. Like, it's just – it's just – the great – I mean, great words don't mean that these words are great in that sense. But, like, all of this, like, great words, I would think of more of the bravado and eloquence and, like, it's speaking with all this confidence, right? And finally, someone has to shut it up. uh it won't it won't stop on its own yeah finally the the ancient of days and the son of man they have the they have the first word and they have the last word and that last word will be a word of destruction that's the the sword proceeding from the mouth of christ which is nothing more than the word that he speaks at the end which overcomes the forces of evil and then finally

delivers him over to be burned with fire in the in the lake of fire and we're uh that's it Out of time. We're out of time. I knew this was going to take us a while, which is fine. I mean, this chapter is extremely important, so we're just going to have to give it the time that it requires to work our way through it. Yeah. Awesome. Well, next episode, hey, we're going to hear something about the Son of Man.

That's a common thing to hear about. It wasn't super common up to this point, but this is going to be the reference point, right? This is a big one. This is how Jesus Jesus is going to take this part And get himself in trouble Is what he's going to do So we'll look at that next episode

I'll see you then Chad Alright see you then We'll be right back.