40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 124 (Leviticus 19:19-20:27)

Episode Date: June 15, 2018

Chad and Daniel spend some time talking about what the Bible says about tattoos. Does Daniel need to repent immediately? Is there any crossover between laws for Jewish and non-Jewish Christians? Why was the Holy Land Holy? Why did the land vomit out its former inhabitants? It's an interesting episode. Have a listen! 1517 Podcast Network CHF New Jersey CHF Hattiesburg 

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There's podcasts on every topic that you can think of that matters. chad what's going on man hey man how you been i'm good good you've been hanging you've been traveling minnesota right minnesota went back to the land of my birth you went there the right time of year i mean i didn't bring your park or anything like that i i left wise move yeah i left 93 i landed to 77 oh sweet it was a pretty good deal man yeah yeah that was deceiving you if you went when i went you'd think like minnesota is pretty great this weather is fantastic i know better though i used to live there yeah yeah come come september things are gonna radically change yeah dude uh i knew i knew i know the real story there and yeah that's that it's minnesota is great

for about three months yeah yeah we're the exact opposite down here we have about three months of cool weather and we uh we sweat to death the other nine months but uh that's all right indeed well chad i think that uh speaking of traveling that if uh if we have listeners that are like you know i also would like to travel to go do uh some cool things we have the opportunities for them to do so uh because august a lot of opportunities we have we have lots of opportunities august 4th we're going to be doing a city event in new jersey so if you're in that area which is a big area because the New Jersey area

in my mind includes Pennsylvania and New York City because neither one of those are far from where we're going to be so we're going to be

in Morris County, New Jersey about one hour from right in the heart of New York City less than an hour to Pennsylvania if you are in that area you should come hang out

with us August 4th we're going to be doing a city event at Hillside Lutheran Brethren Church we'll go over to Christ Old Fast get the information

also So September 15th, we're going to be in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. Chad, you'll be there along with me and Scott Keith and Cindy Koch and Jared C. Wilson. That's going to be a good time. Blake Flatley will be there. That is at St. John's, Hattiesburg. And, yeah, so I think places that are close to that include, you know, Baton Rouge and New Orleans and a bunch of other places that I've never been in the South,

but i'm excited to go to go into you know i live in the south chad but i'm gonna go deeper south yeah yeah we're both gonna take a plunge southward yeah we're gonna go deeper south and uh and check it out so we're so and and just a matter of a few months we will both we will go northeast and then we will take a radical turn and go deep south and then in uh october we'll just go west and go far southwest and we'll be of course at the here we still stand conference in san diego so those are all the things you can go over to christ hold fast and uh and all the information is there you can see the the themes and the lineups and you can register the thing about the two city events the new jersey event and the hattiesburg event is those things are free

they're absolutely free so it won't cost you anything to be there and uh all you got to do is register we do we do need you to register because we uh we're hospitable people and we provide some hospitality at the event so we need to know how many of you were trying to be hospitable too so if you're gonna go don't you know i mean if you just showed up i mean we wouldn't we wouldn't reject you or anything but uh you know be be be cool and register so we know you're coming you know if we keep traveling so much we're probably gonna start asking people for donations for our next private chat. That's the next pitch.

That's coming up soon. Oh, okay. The Christ told fast chat. Yeah, we just hop over the country and pick everyone up. Right. Yes. We wouldn't need a real, real expensive one, though.

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we need it guys well speaking of traveling I guess we should we should travel back to Leviticus huh yep I think we are we're sort of in the middle

of 19 there's a couple things we need to wrap up there before we jump into into 20 in fact I'm gonna I'm gonna get your input here This is sort of a—might be a verse that you've heard before.

Okay. All right, so make sure you're ready for this. I'm ready. So this is—I'll start at verse 26. Again, this is chapter 19 of Leviticus, and this chapter, if you remember from last time, has a whole lot of material that's really just kind of an echo and expansion of the second half, or the second table of the law the second uh part of the of the ten commandments about how we should treat our neighbor but there's some other stuff in there too and uh this is part of the other

stuff so verse 26 says you shall not eat anything with the blood or really it's literally you should not eat anything like over the blood it's this idea of uh of kind of this uh this old pagan animistic idea that uh you could you could uh shed a sacrifice uh you shed the blood of a sacrifice over the grave of a departed loved one and it's there was this there was this uh very popular idea in the ancient world you see this reflected for instance in uh in the odyssey by homer that the the spirits of the dead drank blood this is the way that they were uh enlivened you know like a real energy drink for them, if you will. They drank blood. So there was this prohibition here in Leviticus about eating a meal around a grave over which you had poured blood. So the theology

behind that was that you could feed the spirit of the dead with the blood of sacrifice. So Leviticus says, hey, don't do that. That's what the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites and all those other ites, they got kicked out of the country. That's what they did. So don't do that and don't practice divination or soothsaying. So all these kind of ideas of tapping into the spirits of the dead in order to consult them, don't do that. Verse 27, You shall not round off the side growth of your heads, nor harm the edges of your beard. Verse 28. You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead, nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves.

I am the Lord. Yeah, see, I told you it was coming. You got to wear long sleeves from here on out. Yeah, both these verses, I think it's important to look at both these verses together. We know from other parts of the Old Testament. In fact, Jeremiah mentions this, I think, two or three times, where part of the morning rituals, that's M-O-U-R, so part of the rituals during times of mourning, times of grief, was actually to make cuts in your body. I'm not sure what the mentality behind that was, but anyway, that was one of the rituals that took place, as well as cutting your hair. So a very close haircut or the removal of all hair or even like the plucking out of a beard or anyway, any kind of kind of unusual hair removal was a sign of mourning.

As well as making cuts in your body. And joined to this, these, well, what to us are oddities, is this idea of making tattoo marks on yourself. Which I, in the context, I would connect with the prohibitions that go before that. So all these were part of some sort of pagan ritual that was connected with the mourning for the death of a loved one or an important figure. or in a way somehow connected with their morning ritual and were iconic then of whatever their theology of the afterlife might have been. I think you told a story one time

where someone quoted this verse to you, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah, making tattoos. Yeah, yeah. When I was in Phoenix, I was a worship leader at a church in Phoenix, and I was in a supermarket, and i had on a shirt from the church and so it was a t-shirt that said the church name and stuff

on it and uh this guy comes up to me and uh man it was this is the most insane thing and uh he comes up to me and he's got um he's a to say he was a bigger guy is just being generous like this is a a huge individual and i don't mean like the kind of huge individual that is like this guy is in the gym a lot and like he's an intimidating figure i mean like he's a huge individual and by virtue of what was in his shopping cart there was i knew why he was a huge individual so the idea is there's a lot of uh shall we say like not health conscious food in the in the cart so just all kinds of stuff in there uh and uh but he came up to me and was i was and he just was looking at me and uh oh and he also had a goatee just a big goatee um and yeah he came up to me and he said

and he i guess because i had a shirt on for a church and uh and he says uh the bible said you know the bible says you shouldn't get tattoos your body is the temple of the holy spirit and i i mean i was nice man like but i was sitting there thinking like were you immediately convicted and fell fell to your knees no i was thinking like dude you gotta be kidding me right now was like talking about taking care of your body and whatnot and also like that's a goatee which in this same section you are not allowed to have like you can't like a goatee by definition is like trimming the edges of your beard man i think so i don't know how this works uh i had another guy one time say like you know people like try to do weird things to try to like get

out of things and he said uh yeah tattoos are fine as long as you don't get like that you're not but you're not allowed to get tattoos like in memoriam like so you know so he's connecting it with this context something in connection with the dead yeah so he's like tattoos are fine but you don't get a tattoo in remembrance of somebody and I was like well I've got that too

I'm just like any way you cut it unless you cut it the right way this is in the context of worship man this is talking about rituals to pagan deities and stuff

well my favorite thing to say is like look like it or not like jesus has a tattoo on his thigh that says king of kings and lord of lords so he's going to deal with that it's revelation 19 stuff guys in case you were wondering yeah yeah yeah so and you will hear that from some people about the tattoos thing and um i think the best pushback on that because i do think this is talking about in i think this is all in conjunction with worship um or uh or some kind of ritualistic uh act uh but i do think that the argument that really holds up is is that same person saying you better not shave the edges of your beard or or cut your hair a certain way either because you know that's that's right there in the same the same verses yeah yeah this is a

great example of uh the the risk we run when we take something not only out of its immediate context but out of its broader what you might call its covenant context i mean these are these are first of all these are addressed to israel right in a specific uh uh in a specific place specific time and a specific covenant and so all these are in uh our intent i mean right before than we have regulations regarding uh how many years you're supposed to wait until you consume the fruit from a tree and i really i really doubt that uh that the guy that you met the grocery store is going to wait till the seventh year before he eats the peaches from his peach tree in his backyard or something i mean so it's it's a great example then of the ignorance or the uh

the willful ignoring of of context and how how significant that is well it's a convenient Like, if you just sort of, you know, have a thing where you don't like something, so maybe you don't like tattoos, which is fine, which I would say if you don't like them, don't go get any. But no one's making you. But, you know, if you decide, if you associate them like, oh, well, tattoos are associated with sin for some reason, or sinners particularly,

well this is a verse you can go to to sort of prop up this like well tattoos are bad there's your verse if you want it it's not in context it's not what it's talking about I would appreciate the guy that said

hey you're not allowed to have tattoos and you're not allowed to have goatees at least I'd be like well at least you're at least he's consistent at least you're taking this thing 100% literal straight across the board you're not allowed to have this haircut this beard cut or tattoos i'll be like well i disagree but at least you're consistent but that

guy is few and far between oh yeah yeah most of the time it's just kind of picking out a phrase here or there in order to justify a preconceived notion of what's good or bad right or right or wrong yeah well i thought you might have a few things to say about that yeah do you agree that this is do you ever agree that like that part of this is all in the context of like rituals and stuff like you're cutting yourself and and like we're gonna see that in the next chapter too that a lot of and i'm gonna venture a guess here but uh i would say that the vast vast majority of prohibitions that we see in leviticus that just came kind of weird to us uh out of our completely out of our context or just don't really quite seem to to make uh to make sense to us

is because we don't understand that they're written against a particular pagan context. I mean, one of the things that we see over and over in this particular section especially is that God is purging the Holy Land of the people who have been there because they have been engaged in all sorts of unclean, ungodly, willfully rebellious practices. And so they've polluted the land and therefore God is casting them out. And so you have over and over in Leviticus prohibitions against certain sorts of things because those things that are prohibited are the things that the pagans were practicing in a ritual sort of way. And you got to keep in mind, this is such a different mindset from the way that we think. We think in terms of kind of you have your sacred areas of your life and your secular areas of your life, and you have a nice fence between these two things.

So you have your public ceremonies, your secular ceremonies, like things to do with school or politics or work or whatever. But then you have your sacred areas and your sacred ceremonies, like worship on Sunday morning or something like that. But for Israel, as well as for the ancient world, there was no fence between sacred and secular. They didn't have any conception of that. Everything was pervaded by the sacred. However the sacred was defined, it would have differed with each people group. So all of the things that they were doing, for instance, the connection with the dead, all of those, none of these were like secular ceremonies. They were all infused with religious meaning.

their whole life was infused with some kind of religious meaning and it was the same for israel it's only until really modern times that we we drew this line between sacred and secular we imagine that there's spheres of our life that have religion has nothing to do with which is a which is probably one of the biggest lies in our in our society is that we can kind of build a little cubicle and put all our religion into that and then the rest of our lives are just having to do with the secular yeah it's a very unbiblical notion yeah there's another guy that told when he was when i was saying he was explaining why he taught tattoos wrong and i was explaining to him why i thought it was neither here nor there it didn't matter one way or another he said to me

yeah okay well i guess then uh it's okay to like compel your daughter to become a prostitute then because because the text after that says you know do not profane your daughter by making her a prostitute i was like well making your daughter a prostitute is wrong if you take that verse out that's still wrong based on like just the standard moral law of god so um i wouldn't say that making your daughter a prostitute is wrong because of leviticus 19 but that it's wrong just in general based on, like, a million other passages of Scripture. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of things that the New Testament explicitly addresses

that are like that, that have nothing to do with something that is Israel-specific, something that applies to all people, all people everywhere. Yeah, well, it's not as though there's no crossover. So there's laws for Israel, and then there's parts of those laws that are like you know laws for all mankind i mean so uh yes like like the is israel uh is told not to lie about one another like we've read that recently like these are laws for israel for the behavior of israelites that they are should they shouldn't slander one another right they shouldn't shouldn't spread dissension and that sort of thing well we see that explicitly stated in the new

testament too and and then the ten commandments which is are you know the ten commandments are over not just israel but we would say that those are for those are god's that's god's law for all mankind like yeah don't don't lie uh just because one of them just because some of these things end up being israel specific doesn't mean that they're not universally universal applied but it's just that all of them aren't and we see that dealt with very clearly in lots of lots of paul's writings especially with in other words, not one of the I think the earliest controversy in the early church

was the inclusion of Gentiles in the Jewish, mainly Jewish church you know, the situation is completely reversed now, probably 99.9% of the church is Gentile and 0.1% is Jewish or something like that, but whatever the percentages are, it's completely reversed

from what was the beginning in the beginning, the church was almost exclusively Jewish, and so when Gentiles began to come in, the question was, well, how many of the Jewish practices do the Gentiles need to adopt? And so it was a big controversy, lots of, you know, and understandable, lots of questions in the early church. Well, these Gentile guys coming in, do they need to be circumcised? And these Gentile families that are becoming part of the church, do they need to eat kosher or not? You know, what are we going to do? And so Paul addresses a lot of that. And so he deals

explicitly with circumcision especially which was a which was a big deal uh it was the mark of male jewish identity and he says no circumcision or uncircumcision doesn't mean anything in christ that's an old testament issue same with eating kosher uh you you if you want to eat kosher fine but you cannot legislate that on anybody else even a fellow jewish believer because those days are over we know that from uh the vision that peter had in the book of acts as well as from Even in Mark's gospel, it says Jesus declared all foods clean. So we have specific instances in the New Testament where Old Testament prohibitions are overturned because they're fulfilled in Christ. And so they're no longer applicable either to Jews or to Gentiles in Christ.

So we have a long list of those sorts of things. Yeah, I feel like I can say with a lot of confidence that if a guy goes to Paul and says, do I have to be circumcised, Paul will say, no way. No, you do not. But then if he's like, okay, cool, can I make my daughter a prostitute, Paul's going to be like, no. Yeah, I think we can say that with full confidence. I mean, there are plenty of, you know, there are some things called the vice list in the New Testament, list of certain practices that are immoral, that are wrong. And there's a lot of overlap between those in the Old Testament. But there are very specific Israelite things that we cannot say someone is doing wrong by not engaging them or doing right by engaging in them.

Either way, there's a difference between the Old and New Covenant, and this is one of those main differences. All right, so that's chapter 19. Chapter 20, let's jump into it. So chapter 20 has been called sort of an appendix to chapter 18. Now, if you remember from 18, we talked a lot about sexual sins, and we're going to sort of come back to that. there's no need to no need to completely recover that material but what chapter 20 does as an appendix to that particular chapter is it deals a lot with cases so you get in general you get two kinds of laws in the old testament you got some that are called

apodictic laws and these are basically your 10 commandment kind of laws do this don't do that so those are apodictic laws but then you have casuistic laws casuistic meaning something dealing with a case and so if the apodictic laws are do this don't do that the casuistic laws are used to characterize by an if then statement if someone does blank then this is what you should do to that person so these are case by case laws and that's what we have mainly here in chapter 20 are casuistic laws laws dealing with if then kinds of things so i mean i just went through in my bible and circled them all the ifs that occur and they begin really well there's a couple before them but if you begin with chat with verse 9 9 through 20 you've got let's see 1 2 3 4 5 6

7 8 9 10 11 there's 12 ifs that i have circled in the latter latter part of that chapter so lot of particular particular cases and these broadly speaking start with the most serious offense which uh in this case is sacrificing your children to the false god moloch and then it kind of goes down from there to deal with all sorts of other cases in these casuistic laws and uh to kind of set the stage for i think the way that we we should think about this and this is kind of piggybacking off what we were discussing earlier so israel keep in mind they're not in the holy land yet they're heading that way so they're still i mean all this is taking place at the foot of mount sinai all these laws are being given while israel has not even moved yet from

mount sinai they're still camped at the same place they received the ten commandments we're not going to move until we get farther along in the in the pentateuch but they know where they're heading and they think they're going to get there sooner than they do it's actually going to be another 40 years, but they'll get there eventually. So these laws, most of them, are intended for real implementation once they get to the Holy Land. So God is getting them ready for crossing the Jordan River and taking possession of the land. Now, about the land. The only owner of the Holy land is god so israel did not own the holy land instead think of them think of israel the israelites as renters on god's land so it was god's property god's holy land and the israelites were allowed

to live there so it was given to them but not in the same way that they became owners of it they had to they had to pay kind of a rent if you will it was part of their their sacrifices they This is the way that they would pay their rent to God by these sacrifices. One of the ways in which they did that. So the land belongs to God. They are allowed to live on it. But the land itself is holy. And the reason it's holy is because that's where God has placed himself in his tabernacle in the Holy of Holies.

So think of it this way. The Israelites have moved or are going to move on to the Holy Land. And this land is sort of like the extension of the tabernacle. It's kind of like one big holy space, one big holy tabernacle. And all the Israelites are to conduct their lives and treat their bodies on the holy land as if they are part of the holy priesthood. so you have the you have the the concrete tabernacle the real tabernacle and you have the concrete priest the sons of aaron but you also have this extension this way of picturing everybody all of israel as if they're part of the priesthood we we heard that back in exodus 20

and you have also this idea that that all the holy land receives its sanctity overflowing from the tabernacle so wherever you are the holy land you're not you're not on secular soil wherever you are it's all sacred and whatever you're doing you're not in some sort of secular vocation you're in a sacred vocation because you're part of the broad priesthood of israel so that's the way you got to think of yourself you're an israelite you're you're part of this broad priesthood and you're working and serving on soil that is sacred soil that has received kind of this infusion of holiness that comes out from the tabernacle. Now, how are you going to live in a situation like this? You're sacred people, you're on sacred land, and the very last thing

that you want to do is to, the very worst thing that you can do is to desecrate the holiness of god to desecrate the holy name of god and so the way that the way that you do this the way that you don't do this rather the way you don't desecrate is by not living the way that the prior inhabitants lived so the the holy land was kind of like the a stomach that had something nasty put inside it and it and it spewed it out that's that's the way that the bible pictures what happened to the prior inhabitants so they moved into the holy land and they they did all these things that made made for uncleanness they polluted the soil they acted in a way that was an abomination to god and as a result of that just like an upset stomach vomits out whatever has

upset it so the land is going to vomit out the the inhabitants to make room for god's people who he is now bringing to to reside there so i say all that it's kind of a prefaces and kind of a broad way to think about what's behind what is going on here in chapter 20 a holy land full of holy people who are to conduct themselves and in a holy way so as not to profane the holy name of god and to live in accord with who he has who has made them to be so all of that is kind of the preface to why we have the things discussed in this chapter that we do and how these infringements upon God's holiness are to be dealt with. And the first thing that comes up is this idea of sacrificing to the God Moloch, which we saw back in chapter 18. So the way it starts out here,

God says to Moses, telling him to communicate to the Israelites that if anybody offers their children to this pagan god, this god of the dead, Molech, then the penalty is that he is to be stoned to death. Not only that, but God himself will set his face against that person and against his people. Because they've defiled his sanctuary, they've profaned his holy name. And what they're really doing is they're committing spiritual adultery by engaging in a ritual practice, child sacrifice, that is the worship of of a dead god of a god of deadness so because they have because they've committed ritual adultery spiritual adultery they've profaned god's name they've been unfaithful to him and they they have sacrificed the life of their own child because of that the penalty is the most extreme they're to be stoned god will set his face against them and they will be purged

from from the land so this this is at the top of the list so this is kind of the uh the uh the most grievous offense that could occur in israel and and it did i mean we have examples of this later in the prophets where the israelites were actually engaging in the sacrifice of uh sacrifice of their own children because by this they thought that they could somehow gain gain a benefit from uh from the God that they were worshiping in this murderous sort of way. So that's the way it starts out. Then it goes on, verse 6, talks about how if a person turns to mediums or to spiritists, these were people that were thought to have some sort of connection with the dead.

By doing so, again, they played the harlot after them. This was a committing, again, of spiritual, of ritual adultery against God. so they would be cut off from the people and then it goes to someone who curses his father and his mother shall be put to death here we're talking about the fourth commandment uh this is a this is not just kind of a uh a moment of anger but this is a rejection of of parents uh treating them as if they are accursed by by god the penalty for that was was death and then it goes on beginning with verse 10 and then going through verse 21 to deal with a lot of the same kind of sexual situations that we talked about back in chapter

18 a lot of these have to do with various forms of uh of incest uh it starts out with adultery but then it goes to there's a man who lies with his father's wife so his stepmother a man who lies with his daughter-in-law uh and then so on and so forth through these various kinds of sexual sins, which we have already discussed. Basically everything except sex within the marital union of a man and woman is condemned here. And there's various kinds of penalties that are laid out here because of the seriousness of sin. God doesn't wink at these offenses. Instead, he does with the law what God does always with the law. The law never shows any mercy. The law always makes a complete demand, demands complete obedience, not only in

action, but also in heart. And so there are severe penalties for the breaking of the law. I mean, That's the way that the law works. The law never comes along and says, hey, do your best job. The law never comes along and says, you know, I know you're not perfect, but just do as well as you can. And God's going to be satisfied with whatever effort that you can put forth. That's a perversion of the law. The law makes 100% demands on us. and it exacts penalties. It issues threats. It issues ultimatums that it will stand behind. So

if we really defang the law, anytime we treat it as if it requires something of us less than complete perfection, and that's what we have in these case-by-case laws that are listed here in Leviticus 20. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting that kind of everything we've talked about uh is that when the laws are given to israel fall into kind of the the two the two categories that the law deals with which is worship and how you treat your neighbor right so i mean so all the i mean all the sexual stuff has to do with your interactions with your neighbor since everybody is your neighbor um or you know or it has to do with your family um which is also your neighbor and then the other stuff has to do with worship so you know you take stuff like you know

cutting yourself or tattoos and stuff this has to do with worship offering your children to has to do with both your neighbor who's your child and with worship and then you have other things like you know adultery and um and incest and that has to do with your neighbor um and so I mean, over and over again, you kind of see that the law is addressing one of these two categories, right? And where you can get into trouble is when you take something out of the worship category and make it some kind of hard, fast, just static, arbitrary rule that's sort of divorced from worship. so you know you can do this like hey you shouldn't have any uh any graven images which means that you know i shouldn't have like a basketball trophy in my office well no i mean that's not that no that's

that's that's not what this is talking about this is talking about in the context of worship that like i shouldn't worship things that i shouldn't have like a a fish or a deer carving and be like bowing down to it or using it in some kind of worship ceremony um likewise um there's there's rules for how i treat my neighbor and um so i don't i'm not supposed to do these things because they're damaging to my neighbor i shouldn't uh you know adultery hurts my neighbor it hurts my family uh or incest or any of these other any of these other things and so it's always good to read any laws given and try to figure out

which categories does this fall into? Does this have to do with worship? Or does this have to do with how to love my neighbor? Because all the rules for Israel fall into those two categories, too. Yeah, I mean, it's the same today.

I mean, there's different kinds of categories for worship and how we treat our neighbor, too. And all of these in one way or another are the reason that we have and that we need Christ

because it doesn't matter if it's a ritual law as the Old Testament, how to treat your neighbor or what is involved in worship all of this is the reason that Christ came because it's by his perfect worship it's by his perfect love for his neighbor that he's fulfilled the law for us

and by his sacrifice that he's atoned for all the various kinds of breakings of these various laws that we have broken, that Israel, and that Israel broke too, which is what all of these laws are leading us toward anyway. All of this is a preface to the cross, is the reason why Christ had to come to offer himself as a sacrifice

to take care of all our law-breaking as well as to keep the law in our stead. Amen, and that's it, man. That's it. That's 40 minutes. guys come hang out with us in new jersey or in hattiesburg or san diego we want to hang out with you uh you can go over to christville fast we can go get all the information uh chad we will see you next week all right man see you then thanks