40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 135 (Numbers 9:15-11:3)

Episode Date: October 3, 2018

Israel is marching through the wilderness led by a cloud of fire. We get some information about the instruments used in worship. Why are trumpets blown over certain sacrifices? How is worship a sort of time traveling? Moses asks an unlikely man to go with them on their journey to the promised land. And just as things seem to be going well, the people start complaining. Chad and Daniel talk about all of this. Have a listen! 1517 Podcast Network HWSS Livestream Donate

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Because we have all things in common Because we're straight biblical like that Chad how's it going? It's going good It's going good I mean, we've got a lot of stuff out there. We do. People can spend all day and half the night.

But they do need to go to their jobs. They need to work. But, I mean, there's a lot of good stuff. Maybe you're retired. You know, you're just all day. You're just, like, getting theologicked up. Yeah, I mean, or you could be like me. I mean, so I drive a truck for a living.

That's my day job. And so I listen to podcasts, and people can do that while they're driving around. So commuting, lots of chances to listen. You know, Chad, actually, I know that you've been driving around listening to Harry Potter, and here's the thing about that. That would normally be okay, but I used to be my wife's favorite theologian, but we have, like, there's a little war in my household where she is obsessed with Harry Potter and has been since she was little when it came out. It came out when I was a little bit older Like past the age that you would You know

That you would be into it And I was arguing that Harry Potter Was just a rehash of every other story And I was explaining how it was a rehash Of every other story And she hates Star Wars And I was explaining how that doesn't make sense Because they're the same thing

And she sees that Chad now is all Extolling the virtues Of Harry Potter I came home from Mississippi, told her that Chad had used a Harry Potter reference in his talk. Now, suddenly, Chad, my wife's favorite theologian, me a distant second, because not only does he affirm the greatness of the Harry Potter series, he's finding spiritual illustrations within the books.

So, yes, you're driving around listening to things. I know what you're listening to. Yeah, now I'm in trouble. Yeah, I put off, was it like 20 years ago when that came out? Yeah, I put it off, and then I don't know why. Oh, I do know why. So Jordan Peterson mentioned something about Harry Potter in one of his lectures, and I thought, you know what, I never did read or listen to those books.

I think I'll give them a try, and then, you know, I'm hooked. Book one, listen to it. But over the course of like two months, I listened to all seven books. And you're on the movies now? Yeah, now we're on the movies. I mentioned the Dementors in that presentation down in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. But yeah, there's a lot of good stuff in there. Because, like you said, it basically is a concrete narrative of an ancient myth, basically.

you know because you got it's just it's followed the same pattern that you see over and over in all kinds of mythologies so i mean that's that's kind of uh what makes these these stories immortal right yeah we tell the same story with just different characters but we're drawn into it because it's kind of a it's the way we are it's the way we think it's the way life works so but i am uh genuinely sorry about causing any kind of marital strife By reading Harry Potter. Yeah, well, I think we'll survive it. You'll make it.

Well, where are we at in the book of numbers here? Yeah, speaking of stories and narratives and all that kind of stuff, we are right in the middle of one. And we haven't had a whole lot of narrative these last few episodes because, well, there wasn't a whole lot of narrative in numbers up to this point. But we're about to get there because we are about to literally pull up stakes and get on the move from Sinai to our our destination. So we are halfway through chapter nine. I believe that's where we left off last time around verse 15 of Numbers 9. And this is a

Numbers 9 15 through 23 as a unit. And it's one of these it's one of these sections in the scriptures you have a few like this where it becomes almost painfully obvious that the author is wanting to hammer something home to such an extent that you're like after a few verses you're like okay okay okay i get it i get it you don't you don't have to keep telling me because the point in these verses is that that israel stays camped and the tabernacle stays up until god says to move. Let me just kind of, I'm just going to read a few of these verses just to kind of give you a flavor of what I'm talking about here. So this is Numbers 9, 15. Now on the day that the tabernacle was erected, the cloud covered the tabernacle, the tent of the testimony. And in

the evening, it was like the appearance of fire over the tabernacle until morning. So it was continuously. The cloud would cover it by day and the appearance of fire by night. Let me stop here for a minute. So we got this. So this is, this is it really, this is a two different things. Like sometimes you got fire, sometimes you got cloud. It's the same thing. It's the, it's a, what in Hebrew is called the kavod, which means glory. It's the glory of the Lord, the visible manifestation of the presence of God. And sometimes it looks like a cloud, like during the day. And then sometimes it looks like a fire at night. So you can kind of call it the fire cloud. That's, it's, it's the same thing it just appears differently at different times in the day okay so that's what

we got over the tabernacle verse 17 whenever the cloud was lifted up from over the tent afterward the sons of israel would set out and in the place where the cloud settled down there the sons of israel would camp at the command of the lord the sons of israel would set out and at the command of the lord they would camp as long as the cloud settled over the tabernacle they remain camped even when the cloud lingered over the tabernacle for many days the israelites would keep the lord's charge and not set out if sometimes the clouds remained a few days over the tabernacle according to the command of the lord they remain camped then according to the command of the lord they set out and anyway on and on it goes

uh and the the point of course is that israel is not simply following their own desires or following their own schedule or following their own map the only time they get moving is when god gets moving the only time they stop is when god stops so even though moses and aaron are the human leaders of the Israelites. They're not the true leaders. The only true leader is God Himself, and they aren't going to move until He moves, and where He stops, they are going to stop. And over and over throughout this section, that is the point that is made. In fact, there's sort of a, even a kind of a linguistic unity to this particular section, because you have the tabernacle mentioned seven times you have that phrase according to the command of the lord

mentioned seven times so there's this idea of a linguistic unity within these verses as well and the message they give is loud and clear that they are sticking close to god and he's sticking close to them so they're moving as this sort of this this divine community if you will it's not just a bunch of the better ones in the desert who are pitching their tent and then deciding to move but they are they are community over which god is their leader and they are marching through the wilderness only at his command and stopping only at his command and that's the uh that's the message of that second half of chapter 9. And it's sort of a parallel to what we've seen already in way back in the last chapter of Exodus, where the cloud fills the tabernacle, the glory cloud

fills the tabernacle. So this is sort of a, I guess you could say an expansion and a conclusion of exodus exodus chapter 40 and anyway that's a that's the end of nine and i guess after that we will jump right into 10 and see see what's coming up here because we're getting really really close to the uh the verse of departure which is verse 11 but before we get there we have verses 1 through 10 of numbers chapter 10 little insertion here about uh musical instruments which kind of kind of comes out of comes out of nowhere as it were and we know that the israelites uh had a ton of different instruments that that they played in fact let me just turn here to uh the book of psalms find it here so this is the this is the last psalm so psalm 150 and it's all about praising god

and this is just a couple of couple of verses from psalm 150 so praise him with trumpet sound praise him with harp and lyre praise him with timbrel and dancing praise him with string instruments and pipe praise him with loud cymbals praise him with resounding cymbals so those are just a few of the instruments that are mentioned. We also know from the book of Chronicles that the Levites played all kinds of musical instruments during the worship that was conducted at the temple. In fact, David sort of organized the Levites into various choirs and various gatherings of musicians. So Israel was by no means devoid of musical instruments. In fact, they were at the very core of the worship of the people of God, not only the musical instruments,

but also the Levitical choirs. So you had choirs that sang, you had bands, you had gatherings of various artists who played these musical instruments, and they were also part of the worship. And here, it's all about, I say, because here we have specifically one kind of musical instrument that is focused on in the beginning of Numbers 10, and that is the silver trumpet. Now, we've got a couple of different kinds of trumpets in the Old Testament. The one that maybe people are more familiar with, in fact, you might even know the name of it, is a shofar. A shofar is a ram's horn, and you've probably seen pictures of a shofar. They still use these in the Jewish worship services, and they're sounded at various times during festivals and during Sabbath services.

But this particular kind of instrument here that's described in Numbers 10 is not a shofar, which is made out of a ram's horn, but this is actually a silver trumpet. Now, what's different about these silver trumpets is that these are exclusively the property of the priest. So only the priest could play the silver trumpets. Anyone could blow a shofar, but the priest alone could blow these, I guess you could call them liturgical instruments. They were silver trumpets that were designed mainly for use during worship. And then we have in Numbers 10 a description of the various times in which they are to be blown. So sometimes they're blown because it's time to break camp. Sometimes they're blown as a summons to prepare for conflict.

Maybe if there's an enemy around or about to attack. So in that way, they serve a martial purpose. Much like the Roman army had all kinds of trumpeteers who would sound their horns in preparation for battle or in preparation for leaving their camp or whatever it might be. So the Israelites had various kinds of functions for these silver trumpets as well. But what I think is most interesting about them, and this is something I had actually forgotten until I was studying this chapter in Numbers, is that the trumpets were also used during the sacrifices. So I'm looking here at verse 10. It says, in the day of your gladness and in your appointed feast, so this is when the Israelites would gather

around the tabernacle or later the temple to celebrate either one of the major festivals or maybe a Sabbath day or some time of gladness and rejoicing. So you've got Israel gathered around God's presence at the tabernacle, and it says on the first day of your months, here's what you should do it says you shall blow the trumpets over your burnt offerings and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings and this is the uh this is what's most interesting they shall be as a reminder of you before your god i am the lord your god so in this way so you've got all these sacrifices, of course, that are being offered at these various gatherings of the Israelites for worship. And not only do you have the sacrifice itself being offered up to God, but

you have trumpets, these specific trumpets, these silver trumpets that are only blown by the priest. They are being sounded over these sacrifices. So you've got the trumpet blast, and you have the the animal being sacrificed you have the smoke of that sacrifice rising rising to heaven all of this kind of combined into this very uh very sensual i guess you could say because it's all about the senses this very sensual kind of worship where you have all the various elements of of our senses and involved in in the in the liturgy that's taking place and it seems to me that what's happening is the trumpet blast almost is like a, or maybe not even almost, maybe it just is, it's a prayer to God, because when we, of course, when we pray, we're crying out to God, right?

We're speaking to Him, and so these trumpet blasts that are sounded over the sacrifices are directed not so much to the people, like, oh, well, that trumpet really sounds nice. No, they're directed Godward. So the trumpets are sounded over the sacrifices, and verse 10, they shall be as a reminder of you before your God. So when God hears the trumpet blast, God is reminded of his people. He's reminded of the sacrifices. He's reminded of the covenant and the promises. So these trumpet blasts carry the sound of God's people crying out to Him to remember them, to be with them, to be faithful, and to keep His promises. And to me, that's a pretty cool understanding of the purpose of instruments in worship, that they're not only

they're just so it sounds pretty or to make beautiful music but they're also there as a way of reminding god and then of god actively remembering his people to be faithful to them and to keep his promises a couple of thoughts one apparently nobody told the israelites that you can't have lots of instruments it's it's either acapella or like a single instrument yeah they they must have missed that they missed the absolutely under no circumstances do you have anything that anyone could construe as quote a praise band because that description that we read sounds like the biggest praise band i ever heard of uh first of all uh playing all kinds of things not and not just i mean like choirs and dancers this is stretching even me uh

second of all they also it appears that they want that this is loud i don't know if you've ever been around a bunch of trumpets but i mean this is a loud instrument yeah before they owe the days of amplification it's about like this they're finding the loudest stuff they can they they're making a joyful noise and that noise i'm guessing is not that that noise is not difficult to hear yeah this is not a flute no no so there's so there's those things uh i think you and look i think you can have whatever you like whatever instrument you want to do and worship is what is fine uh i do think it's very difficult biblically to make an argument that you know if you had a full band like that was that's somehow outside the bounds i just i've never

understood how you can when you have crashing cymbals and trumpets and dancers and liars and i mean this everything is going on i don't know how you can't be like well it sounds like basically all instruments are permissible uh play it skillfully under the lord and uh knock yourself out man that seems like the thing the other thing about this that's cool is that this is one of the reasons this this calling out to god and then god remembering is one of the reasons why all the songs i mean if you if you read the psalms or or you read the things like if it says you know moses broke out in the song or you know deborah broke out in the song the psalms are sort of all based around what god has already done or has promised to do but specifically what he's already

done. And so there's this loud worship unto God. And the way that God is reminded is actually in the words of a lot of the songs that they sing as they recount the things he has done. It's the reason why the Passover and the crossing of the Red Sea are all over the Bible, not just when they happen, but they're brought up again and again. I mean, go read the Psalms. The amount of times that it talks about being delivered from Egypt is brought up it's just it's it's redundant man and the reason that is is they are reminding they're reminding God who he is what he's done and reminding themselves at the same time it's the reason why when when I look at the songs that we sing in church that's a question that I ask like what are we singing about we can appear in

the song, but we need to appear as the one who has been delivered by God. So that's the role you play in the song. The one doing the verbs, unless it's sin, is God in the songs. And this is how it was for them. I think it's interesting that, you know, in this case, you're just blowing the trumpets and God hears it and remembers. But also in the worship, as far as the songs that they would sing, and even the festivals that they would have, are all sort of recounting the mighty deeds of the Lord. And all of these mighty deeds of the Lord are foreshadowing the great deed of God, which is the crucifixion of Christ and the delivering the world from the clutches of sin, death and the devil and so now as we as we sing songs uh today we're not necessarily singing about

the crossing of the red sea or the night that the angel of death passed over the firstborn we're singing about what those things were were pointing to which is we sing about the cross we sing about uh the sacrifice of christ the death and resurrection on the for the sake of sinners that's that's what we're doing and that's what we remind god of is that this is what you have done it is uh liturgically and uh it is instruction it's liturgically instructional and informs the way that not the way we ought to worship stylistically but the way we ought to what the substance of our worship should be yeah i was i was thinking when you were talking about how the songs recount the deeds of the lord how that it's really it gets to the

sort of the timelessness or maybe the time-fulledness, if I can make up a word, of worship. You know, there's a lot of people talk about two different ways of viewing time, and they use two different words to describe it. One is chronos and one is kairos. So chronos, like chronological, chronological time is the kind of time that we usually think about, right? So we have minutes turning into hours, turning into days, turning into weeks. It's just the chronology, one event after after another that's the way we use the thing about time but there's also another element of time called kairos which is uh which is a kind of god's god's timetable as in today is the day of salvation that kind of that kind of time and worship is really is kairos time i know

that we meet at a certain chronological period maybe it's nine to ten or whatever whatever it might be. But in reality, when we show up at church, we all show up late. We all show up at a worship service that is ongoing and never-ending, because when we gather as people of God to worship, we don't really begin worship or end worship. Instead, we step into the Lord's presence to participate in the ongoing worship in His own kairos time that never ends. And so what happens when we, when we gather to sing songs and to baptize and celebrate the Lord's Supper and to hear the word of God and to preach and all the things that, that, that, that worship are about, we are, we're participating in, by, by stepping into God's Kairos time and this ongoing

worship, we're participating in the past while we're in the present. And also we are living in the future because we're in a we're in a kind of a timeless sphere of of grace when we step into god's presence into this timeless worship that that is ongoing and so when when we hear about what christ has done for us or when we hear about his second coming or when we hear about what he's doing for us now it's really in some way all the same time because it's all we are we're participating in the unending feast of Christ, which he's accomplished for us, and which he will accomplish for us, and which he gives to us here and now. So there's that element of worship that I don't think that a lot of people think about or maybe hear about, but that's really

what happens in every worship service. We step into the throne room of God where the worship of saints and angels and archangels never ends, and then when we leave that, that worship keeps on going until we come back into it once more. Yeah, you got to step into that worship time machine. Exactly. That's it. That's it. Everything changes. Turn your clocks off, turn your watches off, turn your phones off, because you're in a different time now. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I think that's enough about those verses. Why don't we look at the rest of The chapter, it's actually a very easy chapter to finish because really kind of the first verse and the last two verses are the critical ones. The first verse is the one that we've been waiting for ever since we got to Mount Sinai.

We've been here for a little over a year. We've seen God on the mountaintop. We've heard his Ten Commandments, had the whole debacle of the golden calf, and then everything else that's taken place. But now it's time to move. It's time to pull up stakes and to march. So when did this happen? Well, verse 11 tells us, now it came about in the second year, in the second month, on the 20th day of the month, that the cloud was lifted from over the tabernacle of the testimony and the sons of Israel set out on their journeys from the wilderness of Sinai. So you may remember from last time that there were some guys who couldn't participate in the Passover because they had become defiled by contact with a dead body.

And so we had this alternative legislation that says, hey, you can wait to the second month on the 15th, on the 14th day of the second month. And then you can have kind of your your alternative Passover because you were unclean the first time. So that happened, second month, 14th day, and then six days later is when Israel is leaving. So it's kind of like they waited a little bit extra time so they could celebrate that Passover, and then they went on the move. So what happens? Well, the rest of the chapter pretty much describes how all the various tribes did what all the tribes are supposed to do. You know, some were at different points in the procession as they marched. Some of them were carrying the parts of the tabernacle, and they began working their way toward the Promised Land.

We also find out, kind of in the middle of the chapter, an interesting, it's really not trivia, but sort of a trivial fact here about somebody that went along with them. So in verse 20, it says that Moses is talking to Hobab, the son of Reuel the Midianite. And it's a little complicated as to who this is, as to whether this is a father-in-law or a brother-in-law of Moses. But whoever it is, Hobab is not, he's from his wife, Moses' wife's family. And he's, so he's not an Israelite. He's not of the people who were delivered from Egypt. He's not of the descendants of Abraham. So he is a non-Israelite. And yet Moses basically begs the guy to go with them.

So he says, we're we're leaving and we're going to the place that God has promised to give to us. And he says, we want you to come with us and we will we will do good for you because the Lord has promised good concerning us. And at first, Hobab is like, no, I'm going to I'm going to stay here. I'm going to I'm going to stay with my own land and my own relatives. And so Moses basically reiterates his request. He says, please don't leave us in as much as you know where we should camp in the wilderness and you will be as eyes for us. And we know that we're not told what the response of what the response was, what Hobab said. it just kind of left open-ended but we do know from the book of judges that the tribe of hobab

joined the tribe of judah and settled with them in the holy land so i guess he said yes and so he traveled with them as uh as a guide through the wilderness so you sort of have i guess a double guide going on here god is leading god is guiding but you also have hobab a non-israelite who's joined up with the Israelites, he and his family, and they are really now considered to be part of the people of God. And the reason I like this is because it points to the fact that the Israelites were never a closed society, or at least they weren't supposed to be. The promise of Abraham was not just to the descendants of Abraham, but to all the nations. That's where the blessing was to extend and so this blessing of abraham extended to this family of hobab as well as to

a lot of other families as well as as the history of israel tells us israel was never like no you can't become part of us because you're not physically descended from abraham they were uh they were welcoming to others who would believe in the god of abraham who would who would join in the same faith that Abraham did, and we have an example of this here. So that happens. They set out. They march from the Mount of the Lord for three days. It's like a kind of a fast-paced, three-day-long journey away from Mount Sinai. It's almost like, let's just get away as far as we can. I mean, we've been there for over a year, and we've been waiting to finally get to the Holy land so it's like they just uh uh move as quickly as they could and as far away as they can and they

get three days away the cloud is leading them the ark of the covenant is going before them and we have you meant you know we talked about songs earlier we have a little song here that they sang so whenever they set out whenever the ark began to move then they would sing rise up oh lord and let your enemies be scattered and let those who hate you flee before you so the ark becomes kind of a symbol of of power it's like god's chariot throne and he's riding atop it and he's on the move and his enemies are scattering before him so they sing that or they chant that or whatever they do when the ark is on the move and then when the ark comes to rest this is verse 36 Then they would sing

Return O Lord To the myriad thousands of Israel So they have this little song This ritual that they go through That they sing when they leave And then when they stop And that brings us to the end Of chapter 10

We are moving Yeah moving right along Like we're being guided by a cloud of fire Yeah A pillar of fire I think the pillar is pushing us into Chapter 11. We still have a few minutes left. I guess we should keep following the cloud.

Let's do it. Prepare yourself, though. It's about to get ugly. I don't suppose that... Are the people going to start losing it? They wouldn't do that. No, no, not the pious, grateful Israelites. You know, they would never do that.

Chapter 11 is... We haven't had any of this in a while, but chapter 11 is going to begin a long litany of some some bad stuff so we're it seems like as soon as you get back into narrative things get ugly because narrative is of course the story of people doing things and we know what happens when people do things uh there's some good that happens but there's a whole lot of bad along with it and we're going to get smacked right in the face with with the bad stuff as soon as chapter 11 opens up it's sort of a jarring transition really i mean we don't see it because our bibles have been uh sort of fabricated with all these

chapter and verse divisions so we don't it's it maybe doesn't appear as jarring to us because oh we're at the end of chapter 10 and we have this big capitalized chapter 11 and then in a lot of your bibles you have a little summary statement about what the chapter is about so you have this little break that's built into your english bibles that the hebrew wouldn't have had it just goes from what one word right to the next word and so you have a you have a very jarring effect as you transition from verse 36 to the next verse so we've had all of this good stuff happening and they're on the move and Israel is singing about God on the ark and he's moving and he's scattering his enemies and then they're singing about God coming to rest on his ark among his

myriad thousands of Israel and then barely before you can take a breath here's what you hear now the people became like those who complain evilly in the ears of the Lord and when the Lord heard his anger was kindled and the fire of the Lord burned among them and consumed some of the outskirts of the camp. The people therefore cried out to Moses and Moses prayed to the Lord and the fire died out. So the name of that place was called Tavara because the fire of the Lord burned among them uh this this is this is not good news this becomes what we just that was those were three verses what we just read in those three verses kind of the the the structure of them becomes basically the the the standard structure of episode after episode of complaint in in the

wilderness you had kind of have three different things that go on first of all you have the people complaining about something you know it's it's lack of water or it's because they're tired of marching or it's because of food or it's because of the leadership or whatever whatever it might be there's grumbling and complaining that's the first element the second element is divine punishment and this punishment takes many forms uh fire is is one of those which we just saw Well, sometimes punishment takes the form of God giving them exactly what they wanted. We're going to see that in the case of the quail. Oh, you want quail?

Well, I'm going to give you like two feet thick of quail all around your camp. And then the third element is, and this is, I think, for me anyway, the most interesting element. They actually name the place. They immortalize their sin and rebellion by, as A.J. Svoboda puts it, they put sin on the map. They actually name these places where these incidents take place. And we have a whole lot of them. This one's called Tabera or Tabera, however you want to say it. We have Meravah.

We have Mesavah. We've got tons of these places in the wilderness that are named after whatever rebellion took place there. So what's going on with the people? Well, I guess, I mean, we've seen some of this already back in Exodus, right? We had the people complaining there of thirst, and we had them complaining of hunger. And we're going to hear more of this in the verses that follow this, beginning with verse 4 and following. But the basic complaint most of the time is that they had it better before God redeemed them, that they had it better when they were slaves in Egypt, when the predictability of their servitude was enough for them. And now that they are free, now that God has redeemed them and led them into this wilderness where things are tough, they want to go right back behind the bars or go right back into slavery.

There's a couple of things that are insane about that. One, you might be tempted to think like, well, they sort of did. They took their complaints. It is rougher now. It's not rougher now. you have to remember that by the end of this this whole thing they were like killing all the male children like it's not it wasn't better in egypt what are you talking about like i mean moses is like a miracle that that like floated down the nile man hey better i mean there's that's that's

that's crazy talk the other thing is you would think that this would happen like one and this is why you should have a very low anthropology and not not give sinners too much credit you would think you complain one time suddenly you're surrounded by like a ring of fire and that would just be the end of that like that would like never happen again you would think like if me and chad were like well i don't know god what are you doing man and all of a sudden like my house is surrounded by fire and then and then you know then it goes out and uh i'll be like okay that's that's that would just never happen again you would think but that is not the way this goes down no no yeah i mean if if anybody has a high anthropology that is if they have a like a high

view of the goodness of human nature well read numbers or just read the news or read your own life and and then anthropology should lower precipitously or just yeah or if you just think people learn well yeah they don't they don't they do not well maybe maybe we learn a little bit from our mistakes but i think most of what people learn from their mistakes is how not to be caught the next time yeah yeah we know we don't all of a sudden and it just tells you this is this is why the the law doesn't doesn't permanently it the law like temporarily modifies your behavior but like you could tell that like in the heart of the people they're still whining and complaining and not content with god i mean i'm sure the ring of fire shifts them up for a little while

until you know it'd be good and we'll see this next week it'd be good if we had some meat and then here we go here we go, that selective memory well I guess we will have to come back to that next week

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