40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 136 (Numbers 11:4-35)

Episode Date: October 9, 2018

The "riff-raff" start complaining about the food situation in the wilderness and the people start demanding meat. What was mana like? Was it really that bad? Moses gets frustrated and asks God to kill him. God refuses and appoints 70 elders to help him instead. And God gives the people an insane about of quail as a strange form of judgment. Chad and Daniel discuss all of this. Have a listen! 1517 Podcast Network HWSS Live-Stream Donate

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so we we start out with all israel complaining and then we get to uh what's what's called uh sometimes called the rabble, or I think a better translation is the riffraff. They start complaining, and then all Israel starts complaining, and then God responds. And we have all sorts of other stuff mixed in with this chapter, too, because we have Moses complaining, too, although he's not hungry. He's not complaining about the menu options. He's complaining about the people.

He's complaining about the complaining. Yeah, yeah, he's complaining about the complaining to God. So we'll see how God responds to everybody in his own divine sort of way. And then next chapter, chapter 12, we're going to get to a little bit more complaining, although it's of a different kind. It's got a little jealousy going on here in amongst the siblings between Moses, Aaron, and their sister Miriam. And we'll see that that does not turn out so well for Aaron and Miriam. So that's what we got coming up. we got a lot of negativity so stay positive i had someone just the other day someone very close to

me i won't name names tell me that the most annoying thing about me is that i complain about complaining they actually said that they said uh i was i was criticizing people just not being content and uh this person said yeah it's cool that you don't need anything and that you're just fine with everything the way it is all the time. But you're not, actually, because you just go around complaining about how no one else is alright with everything the way you are.

So, I didn't think about it at the time, but I guess that's a very Moses move. That's what I was going to say. You just tell them that you're just trying to emulate Moses. Yeah, I guess apparently it's annoying when you go around saying, what's wrong with you people? Just suck it up. Deal with it. It's not that

bad. Well, the uh the israelite certainly didn't uh didn't feel that way you know we uh we talked about i think the first three verses we kind of introduced this chapter last time if memory serves me right says the uh starts out the chapter starts out by saying that people became like those who complain of adversity in the hearing of the lord so we kind of got this uh this pattern set the people complain. God responds. The people don't like God's response because it usually means a plague is hit or something like that. Then Moses intercedes for them, and then God responds,

and they usually put a name on the place. So the name of the place in these first three verses is Tavera, or Tabara, or however you want to say that name. The name itself means burn or kindle, because that's what happened. The fire of the Lord burned among them, and so they named that place after that explosion of fire that fell from God. So that was not a great beginning to this chapter, and we're going to see that it doesn't stop as we pick up with verse 4. Now, verse 4 introduces us to a group of folks that we've actually heard mentioned. We really didn't know too much about them, but way back in Exodus 12, I'm turning there now, Exodus 12, 38. so this exodus 12 takes us all the way back to the departure from egypt so this is like a year

and two or three months before this takes place and he's talking about in exodus 12 the israelites leaving egypt but it also says that there was a mixed multitude who went up with them and this so this mixed multitude these are presumably egyptians at least they're non-israelites they could have been from different people groups of that area but they're not israelites and so they're called there in exodus 12 the mixed multitude here it's uh it's the uh i love the translation riffraff because it actually uh kind of echoes the hebrew the hebrew is soft sooth you kind of got that repetition of sounds, soft sooth. So riffraff, I think, is a perfect English translation of this particular mixed multitude. So these are non-Israelites, and what they're doing is they

kind of stir up the Israelites to complain about their circumstances. Not that the Israelites needed much encouragement, but the riffraff who were among them, it says they had greedy desires. they uh literally in the hebrew it's something like they uh they they were greedy and greediness or they lusted in their lustiness or something like that so they they're having this this this greed this lust this uh sinful desire and it doesn't say it first of all what it is we're going to find out as we go on and we also have the israelites uh shedding tears they're they're crying again. And they say, who will give us flesh to eat? And then they go on to remember how good it was when they were slaves in Egypt. We talked about this last time, I know, about how

faulty our memory is of times gone by. But in their minds, this is what they associate with Egypt. It's funny, you know, they don't remember having their newborns taken away from them. They don't remember all those years in chains they don't remember all of the uh the hard work that they were subjected to they don't remember all their freedoms stripped away from them instead what they remember is what a vegetable garden egypt was they say we remember the fish which we used to eat free in egypt and the cucumbers and the melons and the leeks and the onions and the garlic. So that's their memory. But now it says, well, my English translation says their appetite, our appetite is gone. They even say it, I mean, that kind of sounds

pretty tame. Literally in the Hebrew, it's our soul is dried up. I think they're kind of being a little bit uh exaggerating here a little kind of a little bit of drama going on here our soul is dried up and there's nothing at all to look at except this manna so this isn't the first time that the israelites have complained about the uh the food options on their on their israelite journey now i find it uh this is a this is a great kind of literary move that the author makes because the people when they speak about the manna make it sound as if it's just like this hard dry bread that's just disgusting to eat so what the what the author does in the next three verses he goes on to describe actually what a uh what a good food manna is he describes its

appearance it's like coriander seed which is used for flavoring its appearance is like delium which is a kind of a white white color and it says that people would go about they'd gather they'd grind it between millstones beat it in the mortar they'd boil it make cakes and it says it its taste was like the taste of cakes baked with oil but you could also translate that as uh as a rich cream so the people complained about the manna as if it's terrible as if it's just barely palatable And so the author goes on to say, well, no, actually, it wasn't. It was good food. It tasted like this. It looked like this. There was nothing wrong with it. The issue was not with the food. The issue was with the people. And even more than that, the issue wasn't so much with the food options as it is with their hardness of heart toward the divine work of saving them, redeeming them, caring for them, protecting them, and adopting them as his people. That's really what it boils down to.

That's the source of their complaining. It's not the food that's a problem. Rather, it's their unbelief and their hardness of heart and their readiness to forget about all that God has done for them. This just shows you that no matter what you have to eat, if you have to eat it over and over and over and over again, eventually you'll be like, this is the worst. if god had said well it's gonna be uh it's gonna be pan seared salmon from this point on

you know after about a year you'd be like good lord the salmon is so fishy it's just the worst it's just the worst but it doesn't matter what well it's it's chocolate like it's that's what it is from now on we're just gonna have chocolate fall out of the sky eventually you'd be like i tell you one thing if there's one thing i hate chocolate can't stand it when my dad was a kid like four or five six years old his dad found uh this whole huge box of candy corn and brought it home i mean we're talking about a big box of candy corn so for a whole year that was like the only sweet that they had in the house and so they of course when they first came uh came home they couldn't you know they loved it candy corn is basically nothing but colored sugar anyway

so they'd eat that eat that eat that and they ate it so long my dad cannot even look candy corn these days he's in his 70s without getting sick so it doesn't matter how sweet it is how good it is when you first taste it yeah after that's all you've had for quite a while you'd be like you know what i've had enough of this candy corn yeah dude growing up uh for there's about four years of my life where every morning uh i don't know if you know what this this is but we had we ate what are called drop biscuits which is just flour and and like water and like lard like mixed together and like these big puffy biscuits that you make and we had those every yeah i grew up pretty poor and we had those every day about four years

growing up and it was drop biscuits with grape jelly uh and to this day i mean you know now 30 years later i cannot eat grape jelly i i will i will not do it i will just if that's if grape is the option i'm eating it without jelly whatever it is cannot do it so so you know they're they're being ridiculous because you know you're talking about having no food and this is the food you get so you're being you're being provided for i mean i'm sure if i was in the wilderness i'd eat grape jelly again but uh i suppose that it does show the humanness of it because we probably all have things maybe that you're like can't do it like cannot do it uh Even things other people would be like,

well, grape jelly's good, or candy corn's good, or whatever. I don't think it matters what it is. If you have enough of it, eventually you're like, man, it was good onions. Yeah, right. Well, you know, I was thinking if they're sick of the manna now, after they've been out of, they've been in the wilderness, yeah, about 14, 15 months, something like that.

If they're sick of manna now, well, just try and imagine. how sick of it they're going to be because they think well you know if we didn't know this story we'd assume okay they got to put up with a little while longer until they get to the holy land then it's going to run out uh little do they know yeah it's going to take more than a year and a half yeah for a lot of these people you'll never eat anything again but man that will be all that you have yeah yeah so uh anyway that's that's that's kind of where we're where we're going with this back to chapter 11, how does Moses respond? Well, it's kind of interesting because you might think that Moses would lash out against the people, right? He's sick of listening to them

complain. But he actually, his anger, it says he was greatly displeased or was displeased in verse 10 so he he hears the people weeping everybody's at their tent they're crying over the the lack of lack of food options god's mad says the anger of the lord was kindled greatly uh literally and when i don't think i don't know if i've mentioned this before but when hebrews says that someone's angry use it usually uh it says that that person's nose burned that's the uh that's a hebrew expression for anger their their nose was uh was was fiery their nose was hot the nose burned so god's nose burned and then moses it says it says it was it was evil or it was bad in the eyes of moses now what's interesting is what is the it so it it was evil it was bad in the eyes of moses

Well, what was? The people? The complaining? God? God getting angry? It's kind of ambiguous, but I tend to think that because of what follows, that really what Moses was most upset about was honestly not the people's complaining, but rather the position that God had put him in, basically. because here's what he says. He starts to pray, and he says, the verse 11, why have you been so hard on your servant, and why have I not found favor in your sight that you've laid the burden of all this people on me? Then he goes on to verse 12, and I've always found this verse memorable because of the image that he uses he says was it was it i who conceived all these people i mean am like am i their father you know is there is there paternity traced back to me he says was it i who brought them forth that you should say to me carry them in your bosom as a nurse carries a nursing infant to the land that you swore to their fathers and then he he finishes it off by

saying, well, he continues rather by saying, where am I to get meat to give to all this people? Because they're weeping before me saying, give us meat to eat. And then he kind of wraps everything up by saying, I alone am not able to carry all this people. It's too heavy a burden for me. And then finally in verse 15, he just basically gives up. I mean, he's just like Elijah will be later on, or Jonah will be in a different kind of situation, he says you know what, if this is the way you're going to deal with me

then just kill me because if I have found favor in your sight then just take me out because I don't want to see my wretchedness anymore

this shows you the absolute uh horror that it is to just trying trying to deal uh with people who are just constantly complaining i mean it's bad enough if you have to deal with like maybe there's like one person that you have in your life and you're like just can't make this person happy there's maybe you have a boss or a spouse or you know sibling or whatever like just no no pleasing this person Doesn't matter what I do Can't make them happy

Now imagine you have a couple million of those You'd just be like Yeah, that's it, I'm done Like, just kill me I mean, I'm sympathizing with Moses here Yeah, a couple million people That you can't make happy no matter what I'd be like, yeah, just kill me, man

Like, this is awful Just take me out End it now I'm surprised it took him this long, actually To finally lose it And be bluntly honest with God He's probably reminding guys Like, hey, remember when you said

You wanted to start over with me? on second thought you were you know what i shouldn't have questioned you you are god after all let's go with that yeah let's go with plan b after all yeah this is uh i don't know if we have a section in uh in the pentateuch where moses just kind of lays it all out there uh more than he does more than he does here i mean to actually get to the point of saying look if if i have found favor in your sight then here's how you can show me your favor by killing me ending ending the pain ending the suffering so this is uh needless to say this is not a good time uh not a good time for moses and uh like you said it it underscores what a what a terrible

position a person is in if they're responsible for for leading and caring for this great multitude of people and nobody nobody seems to be happy about happy about the situation now i in the in the section that follows it's uh it's always interesting to see how god responds and uh it's there are no hard and fast rules i've discovered uh as you as you read various kinds of stories in the scriptures as to how god is going to respond when people complain because you know earlier in uh in exodus we had the people complaining about food and god and and the lack of water and god basically said oh okay i'll take care of you so he gave him manna he gave him quail he gave him water he took care of him uh and here the israelites complain and god is angry at

him. Moses complains, and God doesn't seem angry with him at all. So it's not always clear to me exactly why God responds the way that he does to various groups and individuals in various kinds of situations, because sometimes he seems to be angry, and sometimes he seems to simply say, oh yeah, I understand, and let me take care of that situation for you. I guess if nothing else, It just simply emphasizes the fact that God knows where the complaint's coming from, and whether that is just simply from bitterness or lack of faith or desperation or selfishness or whatever it might be, God is going to respond accordingly in a way that only he can, because he's the only one who can plumb the depths of the human heart and know what's going on there. So this is the way that God responds to Moses. We're going to get two responses here. we're going to get a response to Moses, and then we're going to response to the Israelites. So

first of all, and they're kind of bracketed here, because we're going to find out what happens with each of them. So first of all, to Moses. So Moses is complaining that God has put this entire burden on his shoulders, and it's too heavy a weight for him to carry by himself. And so God says, basically, well, I'm going to give you some help. Get 70 men from the elders of Israel, the people that you know, and presumably then that you trust, and bring them to the tent of meeting, and let them kind of stand there with you. And God says, I'm going to come down, and I'm going to speak with you, Moses, there, and then here's what I'll do. I'm going to take the spirit that's upon you. And I'm going to also put that spirit on these 70 men. And it says, they shall bear the

burden of the people with you so that you don't bear it all by yourself. And he says, so here's what you need to do. You have the people consecrate themselves and then bring them forward. And once there at the tabernacle, then this is what I will do for you. We're going to get to that in a minute because God also has a response to the Israelites. He says, so we're going to come back to the whole spirit giving in a minute. He says, here's what I'm going to do for the Israelites. So they want meat to eat. They say that we were well off in Egypt. Okay. God says, I'm going to give you meat to eat is verse 19 you you shall eat not one day not two days not five days and not 10 days and not 20 days but a whole month you're gonna have meat to eat until it comes out of your

nostrils and becomes loathsome to you this this is one of those sentences that that sound good I'd be like, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh-huh, onward, keep going, uh-huh, wait, what? Yeah, he's like, he's setting them up. Yeah, not one day, two days, five days, 10, 20, a whole month. You're going to have so much meat to eat, it's going to come out your nose. It's going to become loathsome to you. You're going to wish you never saw the meat that I'm going to give to you. And the reason he gives, this is verse 20, he says, because you have rejected the Lord who is among you and have wept before him saying, why did we ever leave Egypt?

So that kind of gets us right back to the foundational reason that they're complaining. It's not so much about the food as it is about God's gracious act of redeeming them and bringing them into the wilderness so that they could eventually enter into the Holy Land. so uh moses hears this and uh he says he's kind of like the israelites uh i mean kind of like the disciples with jesus in uh in the wilderness you know jesus says well you give them food to eat and they're like well how are you food to take care of all these people you know there's there's so many of them And that's the kind of Moses, he says, look, there's 600,000 people on foot, and you say, I'm supposed to give them meat to eat for the whole month? And God responds by basically saying, I'll take care of it.

Is the Lord's hand limited? Now you shall see whether my word will come true for you or not. So, like I said, we kind of go back and forth between these two responses. So God talks about giving the spirit, and now he's talking about giving the food, and now he's going to go back as the chapter progresses to the spirit again. So here's what happened. Moses goes out, and he tells all the Israelites what's going to happen. They gather these men that he's chosen, most of them, 68 of them anyway, around the tabernacle. So God comes down, and he takes of the spirit that's on Moses, and he puts it on these elders who are gathered around Moses.

And it says that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, but they didn't do it again. So presumably this was some sort of, whatever they said, whatever they did was indicative of their status as prophets. Some commentaries said they engaged in some sort of ecstatic speech. Whatever it was that happened, they prophesied. And then that was it. So it was like a one-time deal that confirmed publicly that these guys were indeed prophets alongside of Moses to assist him in caring for the people. But then we have this kind of side note that's also interesting. it says that two of the guys, so there were 68, and for some reason, two of them stayed back in

the camp, Eldad and Edad. So they didn't go out there, but even in the camp, it says that the Spirit rested on them, and they prophesied in the camp. So Moses is told about this, about what's going on in the camp, and then Joshua, his servant, wants Moses to stop them. i'm guessing because joshua saw this as a threat to the leadership of moses because the 68 guys who are around him they received the spirit from god but through moses these eldad and edad are back in the camp they're not even close to moses and yet they prophesied so maybe joshua was afraid that somehow this would be a a lowering of moses moses response is instructive he says are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the Lord's people were prophets. I wish that the Lord would

put his spirit upon them. So he has no problem whatsoever with Eldad and Medad prophesying in the camp. He has no problem with these 68 other guys prophesying. Moses is simply happy that the Lord has put his spirit on these other people in order to give him help and to give them the wisdom and the and the uh the guidance that only only the spirit can give so he's not in any way begrudging them their reception of the spirit whether they were directly with him or whether they were back back in the camp kind of finish everything out and we'll talk about a couple things uh back to the quail so god said i'm going to give you meat to eat so that's what he did he says that this wind comes from forth from the lord and it brings all these quail from across the sea

the mediterranean i'm assuming and they fall in the camp i i can't even wrap my mind around this it says about a day's journey on this side and a day's journey on the other side i don't know how many miles that is but it's a lot of miles all around the camp two cubits deep i can't even imagine that a cubit's 18 inches it's three feet deep all around the camp people spend all day and all night all the next day gathering the quail and spreading themselves spreading them out they're getting ready to eat and then verse 33 while they're chewing on the meat while the meat was still between their teeth the anger the lord was kindled against his people and the lord struck them with a severe plague so this is this is simply the repetition of what

we've heard what we've heard them for and as a result they named that place just like they named the place in the last chapter or earlier uh earlier in this chapter beginning of chapter 11 also they named this place they name it which means the graves of greediness or the graves of lusting or something like that. That hatava is the verb that's taken from earlier in the chapter when it says that, verse 4, that the rabble or the riffraff had these greedy desires. And so the graves of greediness, this is where those who were greedy and complained ended up. So once more, israel puts uh puts their own sin on the map and this place becomes that location that's remembered for the people's greediness and complaining and god's god's response yeah dude

like that's that is that's crazy when you think about wading through quail like i said i can't really i can't even imagine that that amount of quail and i grew up going Quail hunting and dove hunting And we'd bag a few But I never even bagged enough You could stack them up two cubits high So being surrounded by that many dead birds And you know what happens

When you have that many corpses around Wow The stench had to have been horrific Oh dude And I don't know You always heard growing up At least I did If there was a dead bird

People would be like don't touch it It's nasty who knows what's going on there and you got like just millions of dead quail everywhere this is a good what this shows you is that

sometimes the judgment of God looks like giving you exactly what you want in mass quantity I actually think that when you go if you go to hell it's ultimately God giving you

the ultimate judgment of what you want to be as far away from him as possible. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's kind of what wrath looks like a lot of times, right? Wrath looks like getting exactly what you want. Thinking you know better. So you ask for this thing. This is the thing

that you want. It's not what God has given you. It's not what God wants for you. It's what you want for yourself. And yeah, a lot of times, the worst thing that you could possibly get is exactly what you're asking for. Yeah, you think about raising young children. Well, you know what they want. You know, they want to eat whatever's bad for them and sit around and do nothing and get in trouble. And if you're a parent, of course, you're always on top of that, right? You're trying to, you're saying no sometimes, you're saying yes sometimes, but you're teaching them, you're disciplining them, you're doing everything that they need because you're the adult, right? You know.

well just imagine what would happen if you just kind of turned them loose kind of becomes a feral child you know you just give whatever they want whatever they want that's what they get well pretty soon they're going to be in a in a very very terrible situation and that's kind of israelites you know they they uh this is what they thought they wanted and so god says okay all right there you go get you have whatever you want and it becomes uh becomes their own destruction so So, yeah, that's kind of what judgment looks like. It certainly did for the Israelites. Now, what do you make of the Spirit here, the giving of the Spirit?

I think that's very intriguing. First of all, the 70, we've talked about 70 before, right? There were 70 nations back in Genesis 11, 70 descendants of Jacob that came down from the Holy Land to Egypt. That's at the beginning of Exodus 1. We've also heard about 70 elders before. So 70 is the number of completeness, just like 7, except it's 7 times 10. So kind of got a double completeness there. And the giving of the Spirit here.

I mean, I was thinking about this this morning as I was working through this story. You know, I think that we don't pay nearly as much attention to the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament as we do in the New, because, of course, you've got Pentecost and the Book of Acts. You have a whole lot of mention of the Spirit in Paul's epistles, but you also have a whole lot of mention of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament as well. I was looking in, I spoke at a men's retreat this last weekend in Ohio, and one of the stories we looked at was King David. And we didn't get around to Psalm 51. We talked a little bit about it, but I was preparing for Psalm 51, and the Spirit is mentioned there about three different times. Take not your Holy Spirit from me, right?

We sing that in church sometimes. and here we have a spirit story uh we heard about the spirit in connection with the building of the tabernacle so and the spirit of course pops up already in verse two of the bible so the spirit is not like something that uh that all of a sudden became prominent in the new testament the holy spirit is all over the old testament as well and in this case it's it's i don't want to say this is an old testament pentecost but it's sort of like that because you have the spirit that is being given by god to these 70 men to basically help with the leadership of god's people and that's uh sort of what was happening at pentecost as well god gave his spirit to the uh to the

disciples so that they'd be able to speak his his word so uh anyway that's a that's a kind of my take on the giving of the spirit here i i think that with the with the holy spirit well you know this goes for honestly uh god and and all three of his persons uh operate this way uh so you might say like oh so these these guys had this had the spirit therefore these other people didn't have the spirit uh you see in acts there are times where they'll run across people who believe but don't yet and the quote is you know have not yet received the spirit and you're and you know an obvious question is like how is that possible i mean faith has to be born of the spirit regeneration happens via the spirit you can't you can't even believe without the spirit

so how do you have believers who haven't received the spirit and how do you you know in the old testament why does it seem like the spirit is with certain people who believe in the promise but not with other people who believe the promise and i think that the answer to that question the the spirit uh sometimes shows up in a unique way um the same way that god shows up in a unique way um the same way that uh that god is is everywhere yet we would say he's um he's not everywhere in the same way so he's uh he is present in a very specific and unique way in uh in the lord's supper a way that he's not present uh just when you're sitting around in your house i is god there well of course he's there but he's not there in the same way uh i

would and i would say that that's that's sort of what you have going on uh here is that you have the spirit present in a specific way for a specific thing it doesn't mean that joshua is doesn't have the Holy Spirit, because I actually don't believe, I actually heard people argue that in the Old Testament, you know, people didn't have the Holy Spirit. Well, I don't think you can believe in the promises of God apart from the Holy Spirit in the Old or New Testament, so I don't think that's true. What I do think is that the apostles also at Pentecost received the Spirit in a unique way, in a way that no one else receives the Holy Spirit after that in the book of acts although people do receive the holy spirit so they don't all start and meet they don't

all get tongues of fire above their head and start doing all kinds of crazy miracles and stuff that's that's not that's not what everyone does um and so i think i think it's just if you can when you read stuff like that when you see the spirit do something very very different and very unique it's not you're not supposed to then look at joshua and be like well that guy must just not have the holy spirit just must not be with that dude at all no he's just he's just not doing that with him. I don't know how you read that, but that's usually how I read the Spirit rushing upon people or falling on people. Yeah, I mean, I agree completely. I think that's about the only way that we can understand that. No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. So faith

only comes through the activity of the Spirit. He's always there. But of course, he manifests himself in different ways. When the Spirit comes upon Samson and some of the other judges, they do you know mighty acts of valor when he comes upon the the elders here well then he's basically they prophesy but then they're basically put into the vocation of uh being co-leaders along with with moses so the spirit does different things for different people manifests himself in different ways but the spirit's always there because the spirit is not somehow you know disconnected from the father and the son it's one god in trinity so if you have faith in god then you by definition also have the holy spirit that's right and that's where we gotta leave it man right there that's 40

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