40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 138 (Numbers 13:1-14:10)

Episode Date: November 1, 2018

Spies are sent out to check out the land God has promised them. It is everything God promised but the people who live there are enormous. Caleb wants to go in and take it but the rest of the spies are terrified and begin speaking against Moses and Aaron. And the people make a plan to go back to Egypt. Chad and Daniel talk about all of it. Have a listen! Here We Still Stand Scandalous Stories Book Donate 1517 Podcast Network

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jumped ahead but as promised we got to backpedal a little bit yeah i was thinking about that this morning when i was uh getting ready for uh for the podcast today it feels like we talked about this already but we did because we actually touched on it in the live podcast in san diego we talked about what's coming up today and in numbers 13 so yeah we're gonna backpedal a little bit and uh get back on track with number 13 and maybe maybe into 14 a little bit we'll see awesome Let's do it. Let's do it. All right.

So last time, or time before last anyway, we had the whole episode with Miriam and Aaron going to complain to Moses saying that they were on the same level of prophetic gifts. And we had the whole mess with Miriam and leprosy and Moses interceding for her. And that's where we stopped. It was the end of chapter 12. So chapter 13 is actually going to take us to the brink of the Holy Land. and we'll see what happens. It's not the best of results, not what we were hoping for as Israel approached this boundary. So first of all, it's a little bit, it's one of these stories

in the Old Testament where if you read differing accounts of it, you get a little bit different spin on exactly exactly what happened in this uh at this stage of stage of their journeys because so in numbers it makes it sound like it's god's original idea for moses to send a bunch of spies into the holy land and more or less check out everything that they see i mean check out how big the people are whether their cities are fortified or whether this kind of like open camps check out the lay of the land literally check out the you know what kind of fruit what kind of crops they have growing there basically just check out everything and then come back and report what they see so that they can formulate a plan as to how they're going to proceed in their conquest

So that's the way Numbers presents it. Now, if you turn to Deuteronomy, you have a little bit different story there, because there it makes it sound like it was the people's idea to send all these spies into the land and see exactly what it was like. And so you put these side by side. And I mean, I don't know exactly how you reconcile this. In my own mind, it sounds to me like it was as if this is what the people wanted. They wanted to allay their fears when they marched into the promised land. They wanted to know what to expect. And it was as if God was like shrugging your shoulders and like, OK, all right. If you're if you're that scared, if you know, if you want, if you're really want to to know what lays ahead of you, then all right, then we'll do it. So you got a couple of different different approaches in Numbers and Deuteronomy. But either way, here's what happened. They're at the border, and Moses chooses leaders from each of the tribes. So their names are listed there in the first few verses of Numbers 13. So one from each tribe is chosen, and among these, the two names that are going to stick out, especially

are Joshua and Caleb. We'll hear more about, we've already heard quite a bit about Joshua. We'll hear more about Caleb as the story progresses. So the names are listed in verses 5 through 15. And they are sent in to check out everything from the Negev, which is the southern border of Israel, all the way up into the hill country. So verse 18, Moses says, see what the land is like. Whether the people who live in it are strong or weak, whether there's few or many. and is the land good or bad are the city's camps do they have fortifications are there trees in the land and and by the way while you're there pick up some of the fruit of the land and it

tells us this was the time of the the first ripe grapes so that that helps us actually locate when this is happening this is july or august of the year which was the time of that of the grape harvest. So far, so good, right? The guys are chosen, they're given instructions, and they set out. It says they go into the Negev, into that south country, and they come to Hebron, they go up to the valley of Eshkol, and it's there they cut this massive cluster of grapes. So, you know, this is like, you know, you go to your grocery store and you pick out a little cluster of grapes and put it in your plastic bag, in your grocery cart. This cluster of grapes was so big and so heavy

that it says they put it on a pole and it took two men to carry this pole. So that just tells you about the fruitfulness of the land. They pick some pomegranates and some figs while they're there. So they want all this to bring back to show to the people. And so far, again, everything is sounding good, right? there's the land is fruitful they spend a total of 40 days that becomes significant total of 40 days spying out the land and then after all this time they come back to moses and to aaron and to the

congregation that's camp there waiting for them and even when they get back i'm here at about verse 27. Even when they get back, at first, it sounds like they're going to deliver an encouraging, positive report of what they found. So they start out, we went into the land where you sent us, and it certainly does flow with milk and honey, and this is its fruit. And presumably at this point, they showed him this massive, heavy cluster of grapes. And that is the point where things go south. Verse 28 through the rest of the chapter, verse 33, is where they basically turn everything around and say, yeah, it's a land flowing with milk and honey, but nevertheless, there's a whole list of problems. First thing they list, first thing they list in verse 28, it says the people

who live in it are strong. Their cities are fortified and very large. And moreover, we saw the descendants of Anak there. And they bring up Anak again later in their report. So So it seems as if comparing this section with verses from later in Joshua and in Deuteronomy that the descendants of Anak, who are known as the Anakim, are basically what we would call giants. Just kind of think of Goliath. It seems, in fact, that when you read about Goliath, and there were other, Goliath lived among the Philistines along the coast, along what we call Gaza. And it seems like it wasn't just Goliath who was a giant. There were actually a number of giants there. In fact, we have recorded in, I believe it's 2 Samuel, where some of David's men slew some of the other giants there.

One of them, in fact, had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. So he was not only big, he actually had more toes and fingers than everybody else, too. So he was great in size, great in fingers and great in toes. And they killed him, too. So Goliath, in other words, wasn't just kind of a single giant who happened to live among the Philistines. There were a number of them. And it appears anyway as if these giants, Goliath among them, were the descendants or maybe we could say the remnant of the original Anakim that these spies are talking about here. and these these anakim are also related to the nephilim which we talked about a long time ago

but way back in genesis chapter six this came up i think in uh in our in our last podcast to our live podcast the nephilim the anakim sometimes they're they're uh also referred to as the refaim all these are in reference to people of gigantic stature i mean like uh i think samson i mean uh Goliath was nine foot nine, something like that. So evidently, at this time, as the Israelites are approaching the promised land, we have these pockets or cities where at least some of the people are of immense height and build, what we would call giants. And right at this point, when the spies are reporting back, they throw that out there. oh by the way not only the city's big but we also saw these giants we saw the anakin and then they go on go ahead well you have to wonder i'm thinking about i've been a couple different

things here one if you ran if you went to a land and everyone there let's just we'll just say that they're all somewhat like goliath like they're in the nine foot range so i mean we're not talking about giants like you know out of some fantasy book where you know the guy is 40 feet tall kind of thing or something like that these are just enormous guys like the biggest vikings you've ever seen kind of thing right so i mean like you're like you're standing next to an nfl lineman or something yeah just been just just huge like just add and add two feet to them you know it's just like enormous guys first of all that's going to be a pretty i mean it's going to be very intimidating if you saw like a whole bunch of guys that were that big that would be freaky

It also would be definitely prone to exaggeration. So, I mean, if you walked in there and you saw like an inhabitants and everyone was averaging like nine foot, it's not like you wouldn't measure them. You'd just be like, these dudes are huge. They're like 12 feet tall or whatever it is. I mean, you would use it to word giants. Now, you say they're not like us. They're a whole different thing. the other thing that is interesting about this is that we've seen over and over again like the food

issue now we and this will come up again and we saw it come up in the live podcast that they that they hate that lonesome food and they've been complaining about food for a while and so you know that the food is is a thing for them and these guys come back with like figs and pomegranates and like insane grapes and so that's a pretty big motivator like dude the food there is epic the milk's there the honey's there look at these grapes they got grapes the size of my head or whatever you would think they'd be like well let's figure out a strategy to get that food but the only thing that's more enticing uh or more persuading uh than that food that they really really want is the fear of well yeah the food's big but the guys there are big uh and so you have

to know that there's a ton of fear going on because man if there's any if there's one thing that the israelites want it's to switch up the menu yeah this is true yeah i mean that's that that becomes the the ongoing well it's been the ongoing complaint ever since they left egypt then it's going to continue right uh we're sick of the manna we want something better to eat so yeah i mean if anything's going to keep them out it's got to be something big literally and evidently evidently the size the size of these uh these coming uh foes the ones they were going to have to to fight and conquer was enough to make them think about something besides their stomach Yeah, so God gives them an opportunity to get a whole different diet.

And all they got to do is trust. It's not as though all they got to do is, you know, do this impossible task. Like, you can have this. It's not that sort of thing. Like, you can't beat these guys, but you also can't pass through the Red Sea. And you also can't do any number of the things that have already been done. this is this is a this is a trust in God issue here's the thing here's the land here's the things the land has here's the obstacle not for you to overcome necessarily but for you to believe that I will overcome because I mean I don't know have you take a look around I bet this is what I've

been doing from the from the outset since Moses showed up and started plague started raining down on Egypt. The issue here is, do you trust that I'm going to give you this? And the answer is going to be no. Yeah, I mean, when you get right down to the fundamental problem, that's what it is. The problem isn't so much fear as it is the absence of faith, which is exactly what God will say in fact uh in the next chapter he he says in verse 11 of chapter 14 how long will they not believe in me right yeah all the signs which i perform in their midst all of god's gifts are impossible he doesn't he doesn't do possible gifts that's not how god works he god only gives you the impossible he only gives you the crossing of the red sea he only gives you the manna from

heaven he only gives you his body and blood in the forms of bread and wine those aren't possibilities he only feeds 5 000 people with some loaves and some fish like all the gifts of god are impossible for you to obtain any way but through faith that's that's how it works yeah he crowns it all with the with the resurrection right yes he comes back from the dead yes so you you can't get uh much more impossible impossible than that yeah all the gifts of god are an impossibility the incarnation itself is an impossibility i the so god doesn't be like it's not like hey here's the land uh of course there's like it's an the land itself sounds impossible but this is an impossible gift and he puts this thing and says yeah you have to believe

that i that i will care for you in an impossible way yeah and we see that the answer over and over and over again with the israelites uh they're forgetful uh you know not like me and you chad where no absolutely we wouldn't be like that but uh they they forget that this is the god who has delivered them from egypt he's the god that passed them through the red sea that's provided food from heaven over no on a daily basis and then uh you know they butt up against this land and they're like i don't know and the god's not saying like sharpen your swords boys this is all on you he said believe that this is my gift to you and that i'm gonna take care of it yeah i mean i was thinking about this uh when i was looking at this text earlier that you know it's he doesn't

make it easy on the israelites i mean he doesn't like bring him to the promised land and then uh since they get there he he says okay but last month i went in and on my own i wiped out all the inhabitants so it's it's it's vacant you just go in and you and you just live wherever you want to you could take over these empty cities i mean so there's there's there's still this enemy that they have to face god hasn't made it easy on them but he's promised that because he's the one who fights for them then their victory is certain right he wants you he wants him to confront death yeah so the struggle is there death is there and the the necessity of faith is there because yeah, it's not easy, not easy, at least in the way that we think about it. But at the same time,

the victory is certain. So it's kind of like, you know, yeah, does God call you to bury your cross? Well, yeah. Does he call you to die? Yeah. But he also promises you life and salvation and resurrection. So you kind of got these twin realities at play here. Life is hard. Life is suffering. You're going to die. You're going to face all of these extremities and these fears and everything else. But nevertheless, Christ is risen, and your sins are forgiven, and eternal life is promised to you. So you've got both these realities working inside you at the same time. Let's finish off their report here, because it gets even better. So they go on to report about some of the other people who are living there, like the Amalekites and Hittites and Jebusites

and Amorites and Canaanites, all these different people groups. And at this point, Caleb gets sick of all of the fear-mongering and complaining, and he steps up to the podium, and he basically tells everybody to shut up. He quiets the people, and he says, look, we should by all means go up and take possession of it for we shall surely overcome it so there's there's one there's a there's a solo voice that's speaking against the other the other spies who are giving this this evil report this bad report about the land but they all respond back no no no we we're not able to go against the people because they're they're too strong for us and then they go out and they they spread they spread this it says this bad report this evil report of the land

the land through which we have gone and spying it out as a land that devours its inhabitants which is kind of a which is which is ironic right because because of the metaphor that's used there they bring back all of this this food from the land but they say yeah the land has all this food but it's actually a land that eats us up it devour it turns us into its prey because all the people there are of great a great size and then they they end like the the mic drop i guess you could say is they say that when we looked at all these these huge people we became like grasshoppers in our own sight and that's the way we look to them so this is that exaggeration you were were talking about earlier dan i mean they're so big we're just like we're like crickets we're

like grasshoppers they get a step on us and we're and we're gone so that's the end of the report right so what's what's gonna happen moses sends them in they spend 40 days they come back and except for caleb and josh was silent at this point but he's with caleb except for caleb all they've got to say is nope can't be done it's a bad mistake we go into the land we're all gonna die that's the end of chapter 13 we'll see we'll see what happens the conversation continues so what's going to happen in chapter 14 well you could almost predict the response of the people because they are not going to jump to the side of Caleb and say, hey, all of you guys who are trying to dissuade us from this,

you're obviously wrong because look what God did at the Red Sea and look what God did giving us water from the rock and look what God has done for us throughout our travel so far. No, they're going to do the exact thing that they've been doing all along. and that is, verse 1, all the congregation lifted up their voices and cried, and the people wept that night, but not just tears. They didn't just lift up their voices and cry and weep. It says, verse 2, that they grumbled against Moses and Aaron, and the whole congregation gets together, and they say the same thing they've been saying in in a in a variety of ways all

along verse 2 would that we had died in the land of Egypt or would that we had died in this wilderness why is the Lord bringing us into this land to fall by the sword our wives and our little ones become plunder would it not be better for us to return to Egypt. And then not only are they content to say that, they say also to each other, I tell you what, let's appoint a leader and return to Egypt. So they start out crying and then they start grumbling. And then they finally lead to actually planning an open revolt against moses and by implication also against the one who appointed moses as as their leader what's crazy about that is they make that statement and not a single person has died

but they're but they're so filled with fear that they they're sure that's what's gonna that's what's gonna happen this is this is pro outside of the golden calf episode this is probably the lowest moment for uh for early israel i mean the golden calf is certainly a low a low point for them but uh this is usually these two episodes are usually ranked alongside each other as as as the darkest emblems of israel's rebellion and and unbelief when they when they made the golden calf and referred to it as the god that brought them out of the land of egypt and then when God actually brought them to the promised land and they rejected the gift and wanted to turn around and go right back into slavery in Egypt. I mean, this becomes, if you're familiar

with Hebrews, this becomes actually part of the basis of one of the sections of that sermon where the author is talking about the the rest of god he talks about the sabbath rest and he goes on to talk about the promised land as a rest and he says there that the people were promised this land but they were not able to enter it because of unbelief and then he goes on to say a rest remains for the people of god and what he's talking about there is the rest that we have in in christ and he says that way is still open by faith so it's interesting that he joins these three kinds of rest he talks about the rest of the sabbath the rest of the promised land and the rest that we that we have in christ and and we enter all of these by faith or we prevent

ourselves from entering them because of our because of our unbelief and he holds up this particular episode as an example of israel's hard-heartedness and their rebellious spirit their refusal to receive the gracious gift of god that was embodied in this land of rest and that's what we see that's what we see playing out here i mean all of this all of this is is is nothing more than the outflow of an unbelieving heart which is of course what all sin is right when we talk about there are sins and we can list those from from from dawn to dusk there's there's plenty of sins actions whether that's uh sins of omission or commission there's plenty of those but but all of them are nothing more than than streams that flow from the

same poisonous spring and that is the the unbelieving heart so this this unbelieving heart in Israel prompted them to cry out and to moan and to groan and to complain and to plan this return, this return to Egypt. So at the bottom of all this is refusal to trust that God is good, trust that God wants the best for them, trust that God is going to give them victory, trust that God is the one who is wanting to give them this gift. It's not going to be an accomplishment. It's going to be nothing more than an inheritance that he bestows upon him.

Yeah, I mean, essentially what you do over and over again is that you believe that God's a liar. This all boils down to believing that God is not a God of his word. If he said, I'm going to give you this land, oh, here it is, you believe that, no, no, you're not. That's where it all boils down to. You are not a God who keeps his word. You're not a God who keeps his promises. All unbelief is not believing the word that God has spoken all the way back to the garden. It's to doubt or question, did God really say?

Is God really a God of his word? Does God keep his promises? The answer to that question is, yes, he does. God does not lie. but that that is the great struggle of faith is believing that god is a god of his word that's it the reason that faith is a struggle is because very often uh that word that god speaks is is contrary to what we with our rational minds assume to be true right because god's word is usually an impossibility and that's why paul in first corinthians you know says

preaching of the cross is the message of the cross is foolishness right god god chose what is foolish to the world god chose to reveal his wisdom and that which the world considers to be to be foolish so he's always speaking things promising things which at least to our five senses seem like an impossibility and that's why faith as you say faith is always in his word but i mean if if the word if the word of god can speak everything into existence everything not God was spoken into existence, then certainly that word can do everything else that it promises to do. And so faith becomes believing that word, even if all evidence around us and inside us is to the contrary, to hold fast to that word. Because, I mean, most of what we experience in

daily life is in one way or another preaching to us that God is not true, right? All of the words that we hear around us are are pointing in the exact opposite direction of what of what god speaks we compare god to us we know that we're liars so we know that we can't be trusted and so we we find uh believing that we find it difficult to believe that anyone has never lied this this is just this is just impossible for us to believe we can't believe like well what if he's lying now that's not a possible that's not that's not an option with god but it sure is an option for us and everyone that we know and so maybe we're i mean you see over and over again essentially what they're they're not they're not just saying like well maybe god won't live up to his end of

the deal they imply over and over again this might all be a setup yeah it's all but it's it's all but a real big sadistic trap right yeah it's not just like i wonder if god's able it's like it's more it's more sinister than that they think that god is is this is an elaborate plot to exterminate us yeah dude i was looking uh at this parallel account in deuteronomy this morning and it takes it even further it says that it's because god hates us that he brought us out of the land of egypt so it's kind of like if you were to reverse john 3 16 right for god so hated the world that he gave his own begotten son i mean so for god so hated israel that he brought them out of the land of egypt i mean it's it's crazy i mean it's taking everything that god is and does and turning

it completely completely around and imputing these murderous motives to him who is nothing but love it's it's really blasphemy is what it boils boils down to well and this is and this is why uh you see what ends up happening uh and we talked a little bit about this in the live episode uh this isn't this unbelief and this uh of impugning uh the motives of god this uh doubting the the word of god does not result in just a little delay uh like well okay well you know then a week later they finally you know shook it off and and said all right we gotta we gotta trust that god's got this and and went and did it this is the catalyst for just misery for like the rest of this generation yeah misery and death i mean this whole this whole generation everybody who's

20 years of old and upward they will uh they will die i mean they will die outside of the outside of the promised land so yeah it's as uh this is why this and the golden cap is golden cap episode are are those two moments in israel's history in which they were they were really at the edge of complete destruction as we'll as we'll see later in the chapter all right so let's let's go on to see what happens well the people finish their their speech by saying let's appoint a leader and return to egypt and what well how did moses and aaron respond and joshua and and caleb well moses and aaron it says they fell on their faces in the presence of all the assembly of the congregation of the sons of israel now usually when you fall in your face you're you're falling

on your face in worship but uh i i think it seems to me because moses and aaron don't don't say a whole lot for the next few verses uh joshua and caleb speak it seems to me like josh that moses and aaron are almost at their wits end they don't know what to do uh so they're they're so shocked and and and dismayed by the people's response that they they fall on their faces in front of the assembly. And then Joshua and Caleb, they stand up and they tear their clothes, which it's a sign of grief or mourning or distress. They tear their clothes and they say, the land which we pass through to spy out is an exceedingly good land. I love the Hebrew there. It's like taking it to the most extreme so for instance in genesis 1 it says that god saw everything that he made and it

was very good and the hebrew there is tov ma'od which is good very but here joshua says it is it is tov ma'od ma'od it's like it's like good very good i mean it's like super incredibly good he's trying to stress as much as he can just how good this land is and then he goes on if the lord is pleased with us, then he'll bring us into this land and he'll give it to us, this milk and honey land. And then he warns in verse nine, only don't rebel against the Lord and don't fear the people of the land for they shall be our, well, my translation has our prey. Literally it's the Hebrew word for food or bread. So we're going to gobble them up. We're going to devour them. It doesn't matter how big they are. They're going to become nothing more than a meal for us, because it says their protection, literally their shade, their protection or their shade has been removed from them, and the Lord is with us.

so do not fear them well evidently this this speech made absolutely no impact upon the people in fact it seems to have pushed them even further into rebellion because it says in verse 10 after joshua and caleb spoke these words that the congregation uh picked up stones to stone them so Israel has moved all the way now they they went from crying to grumbling to uh to plotting and returning to Egypt and now they actually want to to murder the leadership and at this point God intervenes it says the glory of the Lord appeared in the tent of meeting to all the sons of Israel so God steps in at this point and uh it's it's in these next few verses that we're going to see how how he responds to everybody's everybody's had their say right so the spies have had their say

caleb has spoken joshua has spoken moses and aaron haven't really said anything except falling on their faces but the the one person who hasn't spoke after all this goes down is god and we're we're about to see what uh what he has to say in response to everything it's a it's a it's amazing that at this point that as they're trying to figure out a way to not just like they're not

let's sit here and think about this for a while I mean they immediately form a plan to go back to slavery which is telling because that's what we do we're like you know what here's the gift of God here's the promise of God

I think I'm going to return back to slavery I don't want the I don't think I want the gift I think the slavery was better and then with Moses and Aaron to decide like what does that kill these dudes I mean just

how do you expect to get back even I mean like you're gonna you're gonna die out here man this is this is the insanity of sin it just makes no sense that's what I was gonna say this is not a reasoned response

No. There is really no plan of action. They don't have a leader they can appoint. How are they going to get back across? The only way they got across alive was by God providing manna and giving them water from a rock when they were dying of thirst. So how do they think they're going to get back across if God is no longer with them? So, I mean, it's a great example of how sin can act not only contrary to God's will but contrary to reason itself. In fact, contrary to what is best for us, right?

Absolutely. Yeah, sin never does what is best for us. In fact, it does what is the exact worst for us. And sometimes what we find ourselves doing, I mean, it's just maybe we see it in hindsight. We don't realize at the time that we're acting in just incredibly self-destructive ways. But that's what sin does when it takes possession of us. And that's, unfortunately, with Israel It continues the same today

And I guess we'll see We're out of time now But we'll see next time What God's response is Because he's about ready to destroy Israel And then how Moses, as a messianic figure Steps in to intercede for the people of Israel And to beg for their forgiveness

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