40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 143 (Numbers 16:36-17:9)

Episode Date: December 6, 2018

The people are now angry with Moses and Aaron and come up with a very old Adam reason that everything is Moses' fault. Moses prays but God has had enough and strikes the people with a plague. Aaron ru...ns down into the middle of death to stand between the wrath of God and the people. And a strange test involving staffs is done resulting in something that the church has connected to the nativity. Chad and Daniel talk about all of this. 1517 Podcast Network Here We Still Stand Conference Support The Podcast

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to another episode of 40 Minutes in the Old Testament. 40 Minutes in the Old Testament is a 1517 podcast network podcast. that means you can go over to 1517.org slash podcast and see if there's anything new there if you haven't been there before there's a whole bunch of stuff you don't know about if you haven't been there recently there may be some things that you don't know about because things get added on a pretty regular basis there's like 12 13 podcasts there now so you should go over there check it out see if there's anything that you would like to listen to i'm sure there is chad we are uh we're at advent christmas is coming but here we are in numbers the most
Starting point is 00:00:58 christmassy book in the bible we're still counting it's yeah it's kind of funny uh in uh chapter 17 which is a the chapter we're almost to there's actually uh it's kind of a there's a sort of a strange uh christmassy feel to this uh when you kind of look at this verse and the way it was used in the middle ages i mean i don't want to get too far ahead but we are gonna we're gonna we're gonna put our toe into a little bit of the nativity when we get to chapter 17 oh yeah believe it or not yeah there's a little foretaste of what is to come that's good my nativity set is up yeah i probably shouldn't even tell you we we have not decorated one bit no tree up no decorations nothing we've been uh it's still in the attic i gotta climb the ladder get
Starting point is 00:01:48 it down and now and we're recording this on a monday which means that probably not going to happen till the weekend right it sounds like a weekend job it's definitely a weekend job yeah so uh we're uh i can i can just always say well you know we're observing advent not christmas that's true you could be you could be one of those sticklers you could be like uh christmas doesn't actually start till the 25th and then it goes straight into january i'll hide my laziness behind the veil of piety yeah you just hide it behind the church calendar it's good yeah we are we're uh we're full swing into advent and christmas is coming up and i think is it next week we're recording our combined 30 minutes of new testament i think i believe so i believe so
Starting point is 00:02:31 we're gonna that'll be coming out as as tradition has it man we'll be back with with some old testament christmas stuff awesome be fun well uh we uh we left off last time kind of uh in the middle of a of a mess uh and so we're gonna have to kind of pick up with that today we uh you know i think maybe toward the end of the last episode we we talked about how you would you would think you would assume that after all of the uh the terrible things that happened after korah's Rebellion, that Israel would just like zip their lips and toe the line for quite a while, seeing the aftermath of Korah's Rebellion. But as we shall see in chapter 16, verse 41 and following, such is not the case. So just to recap last time, most of chapter 16 of Numbers was
Starting point is 00:03:30 consumed by Korah's rebellion, along with a couple of other guys named Dathan and Aviram, who were of the tribe of Levi. Korah was of, I mean, they were of the tribe of Reuben, and Korah was of the tribe of Levi. And we kind of had some intertribal squabbling going on, like who says that Aaron is the only one who can be in the priesthood? What about all these other Levites? And then with Dathan and Aviram, we had kind of the old Reuben tribe coming back. And he was the firstborn of Jacob. If you can remember way back in Genesis, he's the one who slept with his father's co-wife or concubine. And thus, he got booted from the blessing of the firstborn.
Starting point is 00:04:15 And so you kind of pick up maybe in Dathan and Aviram, this lingering feeling that, hey, we should really be the ones who's leading Israel, not Moses and Aaron, who are from the tribe of Levi, who's not anywhere close to being the firstborn. So whatever their motivations were, it was an effort to see who was top dog, who was in control, who was going to pull the strings, you know, who has all of the power in the leadership of Israel. And that didn't go so well, because it ended up about 250 guys were barbecued by the fire that came forth from the Lord, and the earth swallowed up the others. So it was not a bright and cheery day in Israel's history. So all that happened, that takes us through verse 40. Verse 41 starts out with the phrase, but on the next day. So all this happens, and you can just kind of imagine the mood in the camp. I mean, anytime you have any kind of traumatic event happen, you've got a lot of PTSD or something like that that happens.
Starting point is 00:05:27 uh it just it's impossible for something this this big not to affect people psychologically but here's what happens on the next day all the congregation the sons of israel grumbled against moses and eric so this is uh we're picking up the the same thing once more except this is kind of an interesting twist so they've grumbled a lot but but look look what their grumbling consists of this time you they say you are the ones are talking to moses and aaron you moses and aaron are the ones who have caused the death of the lord's people now what's interesting about that is because they are as it were claiming that and this is contrary to everything that just happened but they're still claiming that those
Starting point is 00:06:18 who died were on the lord's side which makes absolutely no sense i mean this was this was just about as evident as evident can be that the lord chose those who were his and the guys that died were not were not on his side but this is what the israelites say you moses and aaron are the ones who have caused the death of the lord's people so this is you know this is kind of the the classic shifting blame, game-shifting blame that's been played over and over throughout the scriptures and, of course, continues being played today. But Moses and Aaron, they're the ones who obviously are guilty
Starting point is 00:06:59 in the eyes of these people. And not only that, but they call it not the Shadath of people, but the Lord's people. So in a strange twist, all of a sudden, Korah, Dathan, Aviram, and the 250 other guys who rebelled against Moses and Aaron, And now, all of a sudden, they were the Lord's people. Yeah, and it seems like there's an element of, even if they were to say,
Starting point is 00:07:23 okay, yeah, there was some, you know, these people, there was this rebellion, and then this happened, and there was this golden calf thing, and that other thing happened. But ultimately, this is all your fault, because you are the one who said, let my people go, you are the one that brought us out here. so everything that happens out here even if it's other people rising up and doing crazy things that really goes back to being your fault because you're the one that brought us out here so at the end of the day you're you're the one so this is on you and then on top of that in this you know a specific event it's like they don't realize that moses can't make the ground open up
Starting point is 00:08:09 and eat people for lunch uh that's not that's not something moses has the power to like as if moses knew like well there's going to be a an earthquake kind of thing right over there i'll just i'll just have them go stand over there yeah this is a one of those instances that is far far from rare where uh it it just amazes me that the capacity of humanity in the face of their obvious guilt to still deny it yeah i mean when everything around screams that you're guilty and there's no no it's somebody else's fault yeah this is very this is a very adam move what adam does you know like when after after the fall or as nestigan says the reach what adam does he says it doesn't it doesn't actually just simply blame eve should be one thing to do like well man
Starting point is 00:08:59 she like she picked it and then like you know she ate and then i love her so much you know I didn't I ate too it wasn't just like that he says it was the woman that you gave me so what he does is he actually blames God and he could just own it and be like yeah it's my fault uh this is our fault either one of us I didn't want to work like mine or us it was us it was me whatever no so he's like well I mean when you get when you trace it all the way back it's actually your fault because you're the one that like put her here and so they're doing this with Moses where they're like, actually, your fault because you're the one who brought them
Starting point is 00:09:36 here, and then they rose up in rebellion, but you're the one that brought them here. You were the one that put things in motion that got us to this point. This is a very old Adam kind of thing to do. Figure out how you can draw
Starting point is 00:09:51 a line furthest from you, and then rest all the blame there. I know it looks like it's like this, but really, if you think about it it's this yeah sort of self-justification by the claim of victimhood right yeah we're we're just the victims here of of of the the saving deeds of moses and aaron that yahweh brought about through them we're the victim of all of these uh acts of redemption
Starting point is 00:10:23 by which god has freed us from slavery and and brought us through the wilderness yeah this is this is the if you hadn't saved us this never would have happened much like adam if you hadn't created us this never would have happened yeah some some crazy logic it is it is and so you can you can you can see uh based upon the the attitude of the israelites why god reacts the way he does to this so following that's just all in one in verse 41 so it says that what happened afterward that when the the congregation assembled against moses and aaron they all of a sudden they look toward the tent of needing and uh the glory cloud of yahweh appears and moses and aaron they they go toward the tabernacle and god speaks to moses and he more or less says hey get out of the way
Starting point is 00:11:21 i'm going to destroy them right now that's uh that's uh almost literally what he says get away from this congregation that i may consume them instantly and actually that's that's pretty much what he said earlier in the chapter back in verse uh 21 uh this is after korah and his uh his group assembled against moses and aaron it says there in verse 21 that god is speaking to moses again and say, separate yourselves from this congregation that I may consume them instantly. So on that occasion, Moses responded by falling on his face and praying that God would not do that. He said, when one man sins, will you be angry with the entire congregation? So he's kind of making his, you know, the typical mosaic argument that based upon God's name and character, he cannot act this
Starting point is 00:12:18 way, because to act this way would be unjust. Now, in this particular case, Moses doesn't respond that way, for one, because in this case, it's like all the congregation is there. It's not like there's 250 people. It's not. There's like Korah and a few others who are rebelling. It says the whole congregation is someone against Moses and Aaron. So Moses doesn't respond by appealing to God to have mercy or to act justly and not kill the innocent with the guilty. Instead, this time he responds with prayer again, but a different kind of prayer. In verse 21, he responds to God with a verbal prayer. And here, after verse 45, he's going to respond with what you might call a ritualized prayer, because what he's going to use
Starting point is 00:13:17 is incense. And if you remember from our discussions in Exodus and Leviticus, incense is the visual embodiment of prayer. That's why we have an altar of incense in front of the curtain in the holy place, because as the incense is burned, then the prayers are offered up. And as incense arises toward the heavens so our prayers arise toward god and so there's incense has always been this visual embodiment or or i almost call it an icon of prayer so that's the same way that moses is going to respond here he's going to respond with prayer but a different kind of prayer he's going to respond with the prayer of incense so he doesn't even speak to god he speaks directly to his brother aaron he says take your censer and get some fire on it
Starting point is 00:14:05 from the altar and put some incense on it and then take it out and hurry up to the congregation and make atonement for them because wrath has gone forth from the from the lord and the plague has begun so however whatever we don't really know what form this plague took but evidently it was already happening and people were dropping like flies around the congregation so uh uh, Aaron followed Aaron in this case did exactly what his brother Moses told him to do. In fact, I think you could, you could probably title, you know, you have a little headings in your Bible for, for the various, for the various sections. You could probably title this one, the only time the high priest ran. I think this is the only recorded instance where Aaron actually, uh,
Starting point is 00:14:53 uh, hurried up and did something. He says verse 47, Aaron took it as Moses had spoken and he ran into the midst of the assembly and so you kind of picture this it's kind of a strange scene people are dropping like flies because of the plague and moses is telling aaron what to do and to hurry up so aaron grabs a sensor puts fire on it puts incense on it and he is running out into the midst of the congregation and it says verse 48 that aaron took his stand between the dead and the living so that the plague was checked and verse 49 says that this was happening quickly because those who died by the plague were 14,700 so this was not like oh a dozen people a dozen people died from the plague this was a a major a major event and I you know I was reading this
Starting point is 00:15:50 this morning and thinking you know Aaron uh Aaron in some way uh maybe regains a little bit of his lost lost reputation from the uh the golden calf episode because in this case he actually saves people's lives and uh hurries up and actually does what what needs to be done in order to stand i mean he really he stands right there between the the dead and the living while the plague is going on and as a result of of the the incense that he offers it acts like a buffer or a wall so that the the plague is stopped by by the incense this is it's a pretty heroic move i mean i mean honestly i mean they're like all right dude the plague is going on get out there in the midst and you're like i don't like i don't know man he's like yeah he's
Starting point is 00:16:43 like running so you got these two imagine uh if you're warned you got these two battlefronts and And, you know, there's like the no man's zone between them. And he runs right out there in the middle of it. You know, he's got his incense. He's swinging his censer around. The incense is going everywhere. So, yeah, that took some courage. Yeah, because, I mean, you don't know that you're not just going to get taken out by this plague.
Starting point is 00:17:13 Right, right. Yeah. I mean, I suppose you believe that God's not angry with you and that he's not going, but still, like, maybe he's about to get angry with you for running out there in the middle of it. Yeah, you know, that's true. And I think if there's one episode in Aaron's life where he most closely serves as sort of a foreshadowing of the Messiah, other than his high priestly duties, it's probably here. I mean, there's this man who is running right into the midst of death and destruction, and as a result of his intercession and mediation, if you will, the wrath has stopped, the plague has stayed. And, of course, he himself isn't harmed, but his action kind of has this messianic overtone to it, because here's this chosen man of God who runs right into the fray, into the midst of death and destruction and wrath. And as a result of that, the wrath is stopped, and the plague is stopped, and a lot of people who would have been destroyed, their lives are saved.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Yeah, and it sounds as though this is something that God said he should do. This is something Moses came up with this, right? I mean, so Moses – think about this. I mean, this is Moses figuring out how to damn up the wrath of God against people. That's pretty nuts, man. Yes, it is pretty nuts, yeah. Yeah, there's no recording. It wasn't like God said to Moses,
Starting point is 00:19:06 okay, okay, I'll relent if you send your brother out there with incense. It's just like Moses reacted. He's like, okay, Aaron, hurry, get your censer, go out there. Aaron takes off running, and it works. The plague has stayed. I mean, it's a great example of kind of this theological theme of the necessity of intercession, of the necessity of mediation, that there's only one way that wrath is going to be stopped.
Starting point is 00:19:37 It's going to be by somebody standing between the dead and the living, somebody who does what needs to be done in order to stop the wrath of God. Well, you need a quote, I mean, in this sense. I mean, Aaron is not righteous in the same way that Christ is righteous, but in this in this instance he is righteous in the sense that he is blameless in this in this thing uh in this but in this he's blameless in this grumbling and rebellion he's not part of that and so what you end up needing is you end up needing a righteous intercessor you need a righteous dam and that's and that's what aaron is yeah so it's a uh this is a great great
Starting point is 00:20:21 illustration of kind of the i guess you could think of it as the the high priestly role outside the tabernacle of course this isn't taking place where most of the high priest duties take place so he's he's taking his his office outside of the precinct of the tabernacle to where the action is actually where it's at and uh doing what needs to be done to make sure that the people are saved Yeah. It is a pretty Christlike move, man. You have a righteous man standing between sinners and the wrath of God. That's how it goes. So that takes us through the end of chapter 16. And once more, it might seem as if this took care of the situation, but there's one more thing we need to wrap up before this whole episode is done. And that's what we have in chapter 17. So it begins with God speaking to Moses and him.
Starting point is 00:21:20 So this, you know, this chain of command, if you will, or the way in which God communicates. He speaks to Moses, then Moses speaks to the congregation. So Moses is supposed to say to the sons of Israel that we're going to have a little test here. So here's what the test is going to consist of. I want you to go to each of the leaders of the 12 tribes of Israel, and I want you to get a rod or a staff from each of the heads of these tribes. And I want you to write on that staff that particular person's name. so this is kind of a it's kind of a play on uh on words here because the hebrew word for staff is mate but mate is also the word for tribe so depending on the context to be translated either
Starting point is 00:22:16 way and the reason is because this and this was not just exclusively israel's tradition but this was a tradition of the of the near east that uh when you had a leader he often carried a a staff a special staff as as a symbol an outward symbol of of who he was or his who his people his people were so this one just in other words this wasn't just like a walking stick or just a shepherd's crook this uh this particular staff had had a emblematic authority so you can imagine that each of the heads of the tribes of israel had their staff that was a symbol of symbol of their office. So they're to gather these 12, and each of them are going to have their name written on the staff. And on Aaron's rod, that is for the tribe of Aaron, I mean, for the tribe of Levi,
Starting point is 00:23:11 rather, they were to write Aaron's name. So they gather up these 12 staffs, and they put them in the tent of meeting in front of the testimony now i don't know for sure if this was like literally inside the holy of holies or maybe just in the holy place right outside right outside the curtain but wherever it is it's going into the tabernacle so uh then god says here's what's going to happen it will come about that the rod of the man or the staff of the man whom i choose will sprout. Then he adds this, thus I shall lessen from upon myself the grumblings of the sons of Israel who are grumbling against you. That verb for lessen, to decrease, is the same verb that's used way back in Genesis to describe how the waters of the flood go down.
Starting point is 00:24:11 so it's just uh it occurs in esther too for how like the wrath of king ahasuerus was was abated so you can kind of picture these waters they're at a high level and they begin to to decrease to abate to go down so it's like a receding yes it's a receding that's a good good translation of this so uh god says thus i shall you know it's like the grumlings are going to recede like there's been this flood of all these grumblings, and now they're going to recede, because I'm about to show once and for all, so that there's absolutely no question about it, after this point, the person whom I have chosen. So, we'll see what happens. It says that Moses went to all the leaders, and he told them what god said and so they each gave him a staff and they put those in front
Starting point is 00:25:08 of the uh of the testimony that is to say in front of the uh the holy of holies where the ark of the covenant was and i guess you know they did this and then they waited till the next day to see what would happen and they went in i'm in verse eight so they go in the next day moses does and it says the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi had not only sprouted God said in verse 5 that it would sprout okay because this is a dead piece of wood this is this is not you know something to just pull off of a tree but not only did it sprout but it put forth buds and blossoms and it bore ripe almonds i mean this is this is kind of this a crazy image here so you can kind of you know everybody's gathered around the tent of meeting wondering yeah what's
Starting point is 00:26:01 going to happen especially the leaders you know they're they gave the staffs the day before and went to see what might happen here it was moses walking out of the tabernacle and he's got 11 staffs that look exactly like they did the day before they're just a dried dead piece of wood and he's holding aaron's staff and not only does it have like flowers and and buds and all of this but it's like there's like almonds growing on it it's like there's a little snack on this on this thing yeah yeah i mean it's a really it's it's a wild wild image that uh that overnight out of out of out of death came forth life out as to uh in a lifeless ugly stick now we have it's just like it's like a tree it's become like an almond the staff has become has turned into to an almond
Starting point is 00:26:55 tree so contrary to everything that should happen according to the the course of nature and solely by the power of of god's word out of this dead dead stick came forth beauty and and life uh so i want to get back to that image here in a minute but here's so here's what happens uh verse 10 it says that uh so everybody checks out the staff i mean it's obvious that aaron staff is the one that has become a living tree and uh god says to moses okay here's what i want you to do i want you to take the rod of aaron and i want you to keep it before the testimony as a sign against the rebels that you may put an end to their grumblings against me so that they should not die and so that's what moses that's what moses did and so what they ended up doing is that uh
Starting point is 00:27:47 the ark of the covenant which contained the the tablets of the covenant the two tables of of stone and that also had the jar of manna now the ark of the covenant also held the uh the staff of aaron that had sprouted blossoms and ripe almonds and all of that. So you can kind of, this is really an intriguing inclusion in the tabernacle because you remember earlier on in this chapter, or the previous chapter actually, after the rebels were killed, their incense, their censers were gathered up and melted down to make a bronze covering for the altar. so like yeah worked into the sanctuary itself was the leftovers of the rebellion so you kind
Starting point is 00:28:41 of have the same thing here because this the only reason that aaron's staff and the other staffs were gathered together was because of the rebellious nature of the people in their grumblings and so this remains as as a remembrance of their grumblings but also as a remembrance of the Lord's choice of the tribe of Levi. Now, I said at the beginning of the program that we were going to just get a little bit into the nativity. Now, this is really kind of a great example of the medieval mind, because in a lot of medieval art, and we have some of this actually earlier in history of the church as well, but in a lot of medieval art and preaching, believe it or not, the staff of Aaron became the go-to story to talk about the conception and birth of Christ
Starting point is 00:29:36 from the Virgin Mary. It's probably not the first thing that leaps into people's mind when they read this story. But there's a book that I've loved for years. It's called The Bible for the Poor. If you have to Google it sometime, read an article about it. But it's basically a series of woodcuts. And I can't remember when this came out, if it was the 13th or 15th century, but anyway, it was a medieval publication. And each page, it followed the life of Christ, and in the center of each page would be a picture from the life of Christ. And then to the left and right of it would be images from the Old Testament, which are understood in one way to be an example or a type of whatever this particular event in the life of Christ was. And then it had Bible verses
Starting point is 00:30:24 that went along with with with each page and with each with each picture and in the the page in the bible for the poor that talks about the nativity in the center is a picture of mary uh giving birth to christ on the left side is a picture of gideon and his fleece which is talked about in the book of judges and on the right side it's a picture of aaron holding a censer and uh that is the the biblical references actually to his staff budding. Now, you might wonder, well, how in the world is this connected? Well, in the medieval mind, it works like this. Just as from this staff, which was not supposed to produce anything living, it was against, completely against the course of nature for this to happen. It happened only by the authoritative word of God, the creative word of
Starting point is 00:31:10 God, that the staff brought forth blossoms, brought forth fruit. So also, it was completely the contrary to nature for a virgin to conceive without male involvement and to and to bear a son so that but that had happened only by the the the word of the father and the power of the holy spirit overshadowing overshadowing the virgin mary so that that this it's an example of how for for for the medieval mind christian mind when they're reading through the old testament They're constantly reading it through the prism of the new, and we might not always agree with their exegesis, their interpretation, but they will do anything in order to see Christ all over the place. And they saw this particular story as an example of how God is able to bring forth, contrary to nature, life from that which should not produce life. So there you have it.
Starting point is 00:32:06 There's your Christmas theme. There it is. I mean, not only do you have the obvious life where there shouldn't be life, but this is on the heels, again, what sort of life does Mary bring forth? Well, the sort of life that stands between sinners and the wrath of God, right? So Aaron's staff budding is not disconnected from this thing that happened right before them. This whole episode is connected, right? So you do have life where there shouldn't be life, which obviously happens with Mary, and the life that she brings forth is that same kind of life, which is a high priest who stands between sinners and the wrath of God. And so it's all connected, man.
Starting point is 00:32:52 Yeah, it is. You know, sometimes I'll encounter folks who are troubled by what they see as, sometimes it's called eisegesis, that is like reading into these Old Testament passages, meanings that aren't there. And I understand that concern. But the reason that you'll have interpretations like that with Aaron Staff and the virgin birth is simply because, I mean, when your mind is saturated with the scriptures, when all these stories are understood to be interconnected by the person, the work of Christ, then it's really impossible, not in some way, to make these connections. And it's not like you read this and see it as a prophecy of the virgin birth, but you can see it as a narrative example of how God is embedding within these Old Testament narratives seeds, as it were, that will come to full blossom in the birth and the ministry of Christ. Well, you sort of have permission to do this, too, by Christ himself, who says that everything in the Old Testament is about him. I mean, he is the one who makes this claim, right, that the law, which that would be one of the books that we're in right now, the law, the prophets, the Psalms, he says they're all about him. So he's the one that first makes this claim.
Starting point is 00:34:16 And then you see examples throughout the New Testament and the writings of Paul and others of them doing this sort of thing all over the place. I mean, you have things like that everyone was baptized into Moses and they all drank from the same rock and that rock was Christ. Well, that's not a connection that anyone would make, but that's what he says it is. Yeah, I mean, in the New Testament itself, you have some pretty kind of crazy connections that are made. I mean, I would never have just thought to compare Jesus to Jonah. I mean, of all Old Testament people, Jonah, really? And then, of course, as we've talked before in this program about the bronze serpent, you don't really usually connect a serpent with Jesus, but that's what our Lord himself does.
Starting point is 00:35:05 So it's in concert with all these other Old Testament stories and how they're used in the New Testament to actually see this particular story as at least theologically, thematically connected to the Lord's work in his incarnation, nativity. Yeah, I mean I think maybe one of the craziest examples, maybe something you would just never think about is – unless the New Testament brought it out. And I mean Hebrews is maybe a go-to book for this sort of thing, right? But you wouldn't think, oh yeah, Jesus definitely is a priest in the order of Melchizedek. Melchizedek is like a throwaway story If it doesn't come up again In the New Testament
Starting point is 00:35:52 Where the author of Hebrews Draws like a straight line And says like oh no these things are like The same Yeah he's got like a whole chapter Devoted to that Yeah I mean the guy occurs in Genesis 14 He's like a couple
Starting point is 00:36:09 Verses man Yeah yeah he walks in Abraham gives him an offering he provides bread and wine and then he's gone yeah until psalm 110 then he pops up again you're like what what priest in the order of melchizedek what is that yeah and in hebrews it's like a it's a huge deal uh he occurs like i don't know at least all of chapter seven and then uh three or four times uh elsewhere elsewhere in the book so yeah i mean sometimes sometimes something that seems really small extraneous not important just maybe one or two verses in the old testament will just
Starting point is 00:36:45 blow up in in the new testament and uh you know i it's not exactly the same we kind of we we played around with a couple episodes ago but you know adam doesn't come up very much in the old testament right genesis 3 does this the the whole eating from the tree i mean that's just not it just doesn't come up in uh in the rest i mean there's a couple of allusions to it in the old testament but it's not like a big deal yeah but then you get to to the new testament adam's all over the place yeah yeah yeah so it's almost like that you you needed the second adam to make it to realize how how important the first adam is right yeah yeah yeah i think that's uh i think that's what's going on it and another thing is uh this would be too far field to get into but you know you got to
Starting point is 00:37:31 keep in mind, too, that what was going on in the culture, the Jewish culture and writings around that time sometimes would influence the amount of material, the kind of material that was included in the New Testament. And I know from some other Jewish literature of the first century that there was a lot of talk about Adam. And I also know there was a lot of talk about Melchizedek in the first century. So sometimes that influences why authors bring in the particular stories that they do but whatever the reason uh what's what's going on when the new testament writers grab these stories and expand on them is that they're doing exactly what christ told us to do in his in his emmaus conversation uh we are reading christ and his fullness out of out of the old testament even
Starting point is 00:38:15 if it's a two-verse story he's still there in one way or another uh winking at us hinting at who he is to become and what he's to do for us that's it that is pretty much if you go all the way back to episode 1 of 40 minutes in the old testament that is essentially what we promised to do
Starting point is 00:38:38 that was the whole reason behind it that's what we've been trying to do for 140 something episodes that we've done and that's what we'll continue to do guys that's it that's 40 minutes hey if these 140 something episodes have been a benefit to you you can become a supporter that
Starting point is 00:38:56 could help us out uh you can go over to 1517.org go to the support page or cry so fast you can go to the support page there uh every little bit helps if uh if you want to do that uh that would be wonderful and for those of you who have done that we appreciate it very very much also did you know that there's still some tickets not a lot of tickets very few tickets to here we still stay in 2019 here's the thing though the ticket price does go up at the first of the year so maybe maybe it's a christmas present that you need to buy yourself maybe it's a christmas present you need to buy someone else the ticket price goes up after the first of the year you need to get on that early chad bird special ticket price that will be there through december 31st grab it uh i don't think the
Starting point is 00:39:43 Tickets will be there much longer than that anyway because there's only, well, I think we're about 75% or so sold out. So there's only about 25% of those tickets left, so you should grab them. That's it, Chad. We'll see you next week, man. All right. See you then. Thanks. We'll see you next time.

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