40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 145 (Numbers 20:1-13)
Episode Date: December 27, 2018Miriam dies and is buried. A lot of time has passed and most of the generation that left Egypt has died but that hasn't stopped the people from complaining. There is no water and Moses and Aaron are a...gain accused of bringing the people into the wilderness to die. God tells Moses to speak to a rock to bring forth water. Moses is angry with the people and strikes the rock twice with his staff. God tells Moses he will not enter the promise land. Chad and Daniel discuss all of this. Have a listen! 1517 Podcast Network Here We Still Stand Conference Become A Supporter
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that uh that others realize we are just beginning the christmas season right yeah there's a lot of
righteousness tied up in in knowing that that christmas is a season yeah right right yeah
christmas is good my wife and i went uh headed north to the texas panhandle and did a short
trip in oklahoma to see our our families up there we actually had to travel on christmas day because
i had to work the 26th so we had a we had a christmas breakfast with my family then we hit
the road eight hour drive back to south texas all within one state see now that's when you listen
to some podcasts see that's what that's when they come in handy when you're having to do that drive
When you have to go back from the family and you've got eight hours and you're like, I mean, I guess I could just listen to music or I could converse with this other person.
Why do those things when you could be listening to podcasts?
You could be listening to me and Chad.
That's what you need to do.
I read a little bit.
I listened to a little bit of podcast and listened to a little bit of the novel that I'm listening to at Audible.
So I kind of jump back and forth, keep myself entertained on that long drive home.
Chad, do you ever feel like this is a thing?
I feel like this is a thing.
I feel like I'm cheating a little bit when I do this.
People will ask me, this year they did ask,
hey, what books have you read this year?
I know you came out with a list of that.
I listed my seven favorite books I read this year.
But sometimes when they ask me, what books have you read?
And then I include books that I listen to.
I feel like I'm cheating.
i mean it's like everyone does everyone includes that in the list they say they include that as
books they've read but like by definition you did not read the book yeah i mean yeah you come up with
two lists these are the books i read and these are the books that some professional narrator read to
me yes it's it's a it's a wonderful age though man that you that you could do that i mean it's
it is without a doubt doubled the amount of books that i have taken in uh now that i'm i'm able to
listen to them as well yeah because because my job involves driving uh much of the day i i listen
probably to at least three hours of books every day you know and it's not like three hours straight
it's five minutes here 20 minutes there or something like that but uh it really does
increase my ability to cover a whole lot
at least a whole lot more fiction
I don't listen to a lot of non-fiction
but as far as fiction goes
I can cover a lot of stuff
a lot of material that way
yeah
and it's
a time redeemer is what it is
because what it does is it allows you to
this is what podcasts do too
and books and you don't have to listen to something
that's theological or whatever
you can be listening to any number of things
fiction novels or podcasts that don't have anything to do with theology that you like
but what it does do uh i know for me is even topics that i'm interested in that i don't know
i feel like i don't know enough about the great thing about podcasts and audiobooks is that
you can expand yourself while you're doing things that you have to do um so what you might be you
have to drive or you know you're you're have a job that allows you to do that or well you know
And for me, when I'm working on things that are, you know, in the office that are mundane or whatever, but I have to do, I can have that going on.
And so you feel like, wow, I doubled up.
I got the thing done.
And I also sort of, I also, you know, either knocked out a book that I've been wanting to read, whether it's education or not, or maybe I, I mean, I've listened to podcasts on, I took entire, you know, college classes, you know, you listen to a bunch of lectures on something that I'm interested in.
And so anyway, I say all that to say that it's a cool thing that we get to do to be a part of all that and unique to the age that we live in.
Yes, sir.
It's a I mean, you can do double duty.
You can multitask.
And I've done the same thing.
I've listened to many lectures or classes in the Modern Scholar series.
So you can I mean, you can deepen your knowledge of something, you know, already, or you can expand your knowledge to something that you really don't know anything about.
So go for it.
Yeah.
Keep that mind active.
Absolutely. All right, man. Well, we are jumping back into Numbers, and so we are in Numbers 20 today.
Numbers 20, yeah. There's really four different episodes that Numbers 20 deals with.
The first is very short. It's the death of Miriam.
I guess you could say the chapter is bookended by death, because you've got the death of Miriam at the very beginning,
and then you have the death of Aaron at the very end.
And then in between that, you've got what I think is the most important segment in this chapter, and that is what happens at Merivah with Moses and Aaron.
This is the episode where Moses, because of his unbelief, joined with his actions, is going to be prohibited from entering the Promised Land.
So that's a major episode we'll spend most of our time on.
And then in between that and the death of Aaron, you've got a short section that deals with Israel trying to cross through the land of Edom, Edom being the land of the descendants of Esau.
and Israel is very
very political
I mean they're very careful
not to offend Edom as we'll see it
in the end it really doesn't matter
because those ancient
hostilities resurface when Israel
tries to pass through that territory
so those are the four sections
the death of Miriam, the episode
at the rock with Moses and Aaron
and then the attempt
to cross Edom's territory and then
the death of Aaron so that's what we're
looking at. So the chapter starts out with just one verse devoted to the death of Miriam. It says
that the Israelites arrived in a place called the wilderness of Zin, that is Z-I-N, in the first
month. Now we're not told what year this is, but when we compare this particular episode with
later travel itineraries that we have in the book of Numbers and elsewhere, this is actually
the last year that they're going to be going in circles in the uh in the wilderness so this is the
40th year so you know we've we've uh we've covered a lot of of time in these last few chapters and
numbers of course hardly uh anything is recorded about what happened during those 40 years just a
few episodes here and there but we're fast forwarding at this point so we are in the final
year they've they've almost completed that 40 year sentence in the wilderness and miriam is uh
in in this first month of that year she uh she dies at a place called kadash or kadash
and it says that there she was buried and that's really all that is all that is said about miriam
of course you'll remember that we met miriam way back when uh when moses himself was just a baby
boy when his mom made the little ark and put him in the Nile River. And the princess of Egypt
discovered him there and took him in. And Miriam was older. She's the firstborn of that family.
And so she was following behind to see what would happen to the boys. So that's our first
introduction to Miriam. And then she figures here and there throughout the episodes we've looked at,
she's there singing with the other women at the crossing of the red sea she spoke against moses
at one point and was struck with a temporary temporary skin disease leprosy kind of kind of
disease and then this is i think i think since that episode we haven't heard anything about her
until her uh her death here in the the first month of the 40th year so what you're seeing
especially beginning in this chapter is really the uh the final the final chapter in a whole
lot of things this is the final chapter in the life of the leaders of israel because of course
the brother and sister miriam and aaron are both going to die here and this is also the final
chapter in a whole series of rebellions this is kind of the i guess you could call it the crescendo
of the rebellions because we've seen all of the congregation of israel rebel and complain and
murmur multiple times a couple chapters ago we saw a rebellion on on behalf of the on the part of the
the leaders and the levites uh korah and dathan and avaram if you remember everything that happened
there that was three or four episodes ago and now we're going to finally see the uh rebellion of
the two top leaders of the Israelites themselves. So you can kind of see everything beginning at
the bottom with all the Israelites grumbling, and then the leaders and the Levites, they grumble,
they rebel, and now we finally get to the pinnacle of the human pyramid, and Moses and Aaron
themselves are going to rebel against the Lord. So in the end, nobody comes out clean. Everybody
in one way or another is going to be involved in acting against or speaking against the lord in one
way one way or another yeah i think i think it's interesting that that it fast forwards like that
that it just jumps i think that what that tells you is that this was a a legit wandering uh when
someone says yeah i was wandering around you don't assume that there was a lot of interesting or
exciting uh things going on and i think the reason that that you have this sort of jump forward is
that uh this wandering really was a pretty pointless thing i mean i mean if you if you look
if you look at a map you're you're like well you must have just wandered all over the place there's
just not that much land for you i mean 40 years of wandering around like this this area right here
You know, he must have covered the whole thing in every which way, you know.
And so I think that the point of that is, is that, I mean, obviously, this is God's judgment for the rebellion.
It wasn't as though all these interesting things were going on.
I do think it was probably more of this mundane, repetitive wandering around, this waiting.
Yeah, I think that's accurate.
I mean, that in some way is part of the discipline that the Lord imposes upon them, right?
Because throughout those years, those four decades of this mundane walking around in circles, as it were,
living in the midst of a barren, dead wilderness, they could recall what they had lost out on, right?
if they had actually believed in the Lord and entered into the promised land and they would
have saved themselves all of those years of barrenness and walking around in circles. So
it should have been, it was designed to be a period in which they could
recall their past misdeeds and learn from them and be prepared when the time came,
when those 40 years were up, to actually enter into the promised land
and not repeat the mistakes of their forefathers.
Now, what kind of lesson this actually taught them is a whole other question.
But what it was designed to do was that.
And I think in these next few verses, we'll see that even though it was supposed to be a time
when they learned from the mistakes of their fathers,
that learning was far from complete.
Because, jumping to verse 2, here's what happened.
So it says there was no water for the congregation.
We've seen this way, way back in the beginning in Exodus chapter 17.
Before the Israelites even reached Mount Sinai.
So this is when in the first three months of their of their departure from Egypt.
Already then they didn't have any water. Already then they were complaining.
And already then God provided water from a rock.
That's many times these two stories that we're about to look at.
This one we're about to look at in the Exodus 17 are placed side by side and compared with one another because there's a lot of parallels between these two.
Of course, one happens in the first year.
This one happens in the last year. In both of them, God gives water from a rock. In both of them, it's precipitated by the people's complaining.
And in both of them, the staff or the rod of Moses is involved.
But as we'll see what happens here, it doesn't have the positive outcome that that earlier episode had.
So the people, there's no water. The people assemble themselves against Moses and Aaron, as they've done many times.
And keep in mind, these aren't the same people. These are the children and in some cases, the grandchildren of the adults who had complained against Moses.
I'm assuming by now, almost every single one of the 20 year old and upward people have perished in the wilderness.
So this is if there's any of them left, then they're going to be dying this year.
so almost all that generation is gone if not all of it except for just a few lingering older people
and the the children of those people and in some cases the grandchildren of those people
they are simply walking in the same footsteps rebellious footsteps as as their fathers and
their grandfathers did so they they do the same thing they assemble against the leadership against
Moses and Aaron. They contend with Moses. And here's what they say. If only we had perished
when our brothers perished before the Lord. Why then have you brought the Lord's assembly into
this wilderness for us and our beast to die here? And why have you made us come up from Egypt to
bring us into this wretched place? It's not a place of grain or figs or vines or pomegranates,
nor is there any water to drink now this this is like this is them taking a page
from the actions of their parents because it's the same thing that we've that we've seen before
and i and i think it's uh we've commented on this before but i think it's uh
just as well to to comment again on the fact that most of the time individuals as well as
groups of people don't get better as they get older or don't get better from generation to
generation i mean this there's sort of a myth out there of of a moral improvement uh but i think
usually what with with age or with with generations but i think what happens most of the time is we
don't we don't get better we simply get better at revealing our at concealing our faults
that's that tends to be the way my observation anyway when i look at myself and i look at uh
at the lives of the other people that that i'm aware of yeah yes there might be some improvement
here and there externally but most of the time we are who we are and we we we face the same
weaknesses that we that we've always had and so if if someone looks at us and says that we're
getting better. Chances are we're just getting better at concealing the inner turmoil and
struggles and temptations that we have consistently faced throughout our lives. I think that's the
case of the Israelites here, that they're just like their fathers. There isn't any kind of
improvement because they are dealing with the same temptations and weaknesses that their parents
faced before them and they're making the exact same complaints that uh that their parents have
made well i think it's pretty evident that they're regurgitating the same complaint considering that
they're complaining about some things that i'm not sure that they've ever even had uh you know
they're like there's no pomegranates or figs over here and you're like i like have you ever even had
that stuff you even know what that is everybody that's a unicorn to you and if you've been in
wilderness for 40 years wandering around you know like what are you talking about like i don't think
that this generation doesn't seem like they've probably ever had those things they certainly
don't know anything about egypt yeah yeah i think i think you're right you know i don't i've
experienced this before where there's like an early early childhood memory and you don't actually
remember it what you remember is you've created you've created this uh this place this scenario
in your head because you've heard the story told so many times so you're maybe your parents tell
you about something that happened to you when you were three or four or five years old and you don't
remember it but you've heard the story so much you've kind of created this this scenario in your
mind as if you do remember it and i think something like that's probably happening with israelites
they've heard they've heard stories about how wonderful how how much egypt was like the garden
of eden and there was just fruits galore and and life was just perfect there and because the
this generation of israelites have heard those stories so many times and their parents and
grandparents it's it's as if they themselves were there so they've never tasted a pomegranate but
they can they can just imagine how good it would be and they've they've never tasted figs but they
can just imagine how good those must be because they've heard the story so many times yeah yeah
And the way they talk about Egypt, well, we've seen this before where people that were in Egypt reference Egypt as if it was some great thing.
And so, of course, these people who were very young or maybe not a lot of – many of them not alive at all when they left Egypt, they're like, everything I heard about Egypt sounds wonderful.
Like, I wonder why we ever left.
this is probably why it's important for the nation of israel to have this this entire
story written down or else you wouldn't have them generations later talking about what a great thing
it was that they left egypt because they could go back and read that oh unlike the people who
were complaining before this was written down they didn't have any context of how absolutely
horrendous egypt was yeah yeah yeah that's uh that's very true and i i think part of what's
going on here too is kind of what you might call sinners amnesia you know we we tend to forget
um we tend to forget those things for which we are responsible and remember those things for which we
uh you know we deflect responsibility onto somebody else so they're they're blaming moses
they're blaming god they're blaming air they're blaming anybody but their own parents for the
situation in which they find themselves so it's kind of this amnesia that we that we practice in
our own lives and in which we we forget that we are responsible if there's like suffering going
in our life 99 of the time we're responsible for it to one extent or or another of course
not always there is there are those occasional situations over which we have uh no control and
and for which we're not responsible but i'd say 99 of the pains and the sufferings that we
experienced in this life are in one way or another attributable to us, and most of the time
exclusively attributable to us. But we tend to forget that, and in one way or another, we deflect
responsibility onto somebody else. And that's kind of what the Israelites are doing here. I mean,
they're blaming Moses, they're blaming Aaron, they're blaming God for being stuck in this
wilderness and yet the only reason they're there is because their fathers and mothers refused to
enter into the promised land when they had the chance so what's going to happen well after uh
after the people utter the complaint then moses and aaron they they leave the assembly they go
into the tent of meeting and they fall on their faces as they have done many times the glory of
the Lord appears to them, and God speaks to Moses. And it's important to pay careful attention to
exactly what God tells Moses, because this is going to be significant as the rest of the story
unfolds. So here's what he says. He says, take the rod, and you and your brother Aaron assemble the
congregation and speak to the rock now speak to the rock before their eyes that it may yield its
water you shall thus bring forth water for them out of the rock and let the congregation and their
beast drink there's a couple things which which i think are significant about this uh the first is
of course the command in in exodus 17 moses is told to strike the rock and water comes up here
He's told to get the rod, but only to speak to the rock in front of the people.
And another thing which is implicit here, and which I find interesting, is that God doesn't seem that upset with the Israelites.
Now, in a lot of other places, he's full of wrath, and sometimes a plague breaks out among the Israelites because of their complaining.
But in this particular situation, God doesn't utter a single negative word about the Israelites.
Now, I don't know why, but I do think it's significant because it departs from many of the other cases where God was, in fact, very upset with the Israelites.
But in this case, all he does is tell Moses exactly what to do.
take the rod, speak to the rock, and water is going to come out for the congregation and for
their animals to drink. So what happens next? Well, verse 9, Moses starts out good. He follows
the instructions. He takes the rod from before the Lord. So this is, I don't know if this is
the rod of Moses or the rod of Aaron. It would make more sense to be the rod of Aaron because
Aaron's rod was actually placed in front of the Lord, but it doesn't seem to be Aaron's rod
because Moses is told to take his rod. So I assume that Moses kept his own staff in the
tabernacle as well as the staff of Aaron. But be that as it may, Moses takes this staff from
before the Lord, just as he had commanded him. And then Moses and his brother Aaron, they get
everybody together in front of the rock. And here's what Moses says. He says, listen now,
you rebels, shall we bring forth water for you out of this rock? And then Moses lifts up his hands
and he struck the rock twice with his rod and water came forth abundantly and the congregation
and their beast drank let me go ahead and finish this and then we'll we'll uh we'll talk about
the significance of this so that happens and then verse 12 it says the lord said to moses and aaron
because you have not believed me to treat me as holy in the sight of the sons of israel
therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which i have given them those were the
waters of Meribah, because the sons of Israel contended with the Lord, and he proved himself
holy among them. Now, there's been a lot of speculation as to exactly what the sin of Moses
and Aaron was in this particular episode. I mean, everything from them striking the rock
instead of speaking to it, to being angry with the people,
to a focus upon a singular pronoun in something that Moses says.
So one of the commentaries that I was looking at this morning
said that the most significant word in verse 10 was we.
When Moses says, listen now, you rebels,
shall we bring forth water for you out of this rock.
In other words, accenting the fact that Moses, along with his brother Aaron, were attributing the ability to bring forth water from the rock to themselves instead of to the Lord.
And you can look at a whole lot of other reasons that people have given over the years for exactly what the sin of Moses and Aaron was.
now you can you can uh you can give me uh your opinion dan i for for me it seems like the most
obvious is the one that we should go go with here because moses is commanded explicitly
to speak to the rock in front of the israelites and instead of doing that he takes the rod and
He not only strikes it once, but he strikes the rock twice, as if in anger against the Israelites.
And water still comes forth from the rock, but the result is that he and his brother are going to be compelled to die outside of the promised land.
Well, I think there's a couple of things that you see that are different here.
One, the roles seem to be reversed because, as you said, God doesn't seem angry, but Moses does, which is different.
Because normally it's God saying that he's about to kill everyone and Moses interceding and asking him not to.
In this instance, God just gives him instructions, doesn't seem angry.
Even when he speaks to Moses afterwards, it sounds very matter-of-fact.
It doesn't say, like, then the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses or something like that.
He just sort of says it.
but moses is obviously angry at this point so i don't know if he's just old and uh and fresh i
mean i don't blame him i mean at this point he's just frustrated uh i mean he's probably tired of
wandering around in the wilderness too and when i'm 120 years old i'll probably be pretty
yeah it's just had enough man and uh so you do you see i mean you see it in the language he uses
where he says
listen up you rebels
it's right there
he doesn't say
listen you people of Israel
or listen
congregation
he gets up there and says listen you rebels
that reminds me of a pastor friend
I have who I listened to one of his
sermons a couple years ago
and this is not a bad, this is a good pastor
but got up in front of his
congregation and started a sermon with
listen up you God haters
that'll get your attention right away yeah yeah and uh that's essentially what what moses does
here but he doesn't he doesn't do it to you know this guy does it to begin to preach the law and
bring the gospel uh moses just angry you know and uh and then he strikes the rock but i think
actually i think the sin is uh more obvious than we think i think it tells us what the sin is
because God says to him, because you did not believe me.
I think that means is that the sin of Moses is to not believe in the efficacy of the word being spoken.
He seems to believe that he has to do something else.
He has to strike this rock.
Maybe you can understand it a little bit since he's had to strike a rock before.
God does tell him to grab his staff.
You could be like, well, honest mistake.
Like you said, get the staff and then go get water out of this rock.
And last time it involved hitting it.
But what God says is that you didn't believe me.
And it seems to me that Moses is angry and does not believe that he can simply speak to the rock.
That he can speak essentially the word of the Lord.
And that the word of the Lord will do what God has said it will do.
and uh and this seems to be what god anyway uh attributes as to moses as his sin yeah and that
would uh that would square with the same indictment that god has spoken against the israelites in
general uh we saw this early and uh i believe it was in the chapter where the israelites refused
to enter into the promised land god says because you did not believe me you didn't trust me
therefore you will die in the wilderness basically so that mean that as we've seen
multiple times that is the that's going to be the the core problem of any sin right that's
what prompts it because you don't trust in the lord because you don't believe in him on
on faith is the is the the fountain from which all the the poisonous sins flow it's where it all
it's where it all begins so it's on it's unbelief the lack of as you say the lack of trust
in the efficacy of the power of the Word of God to do what it says
that leads Moses to do what he does.
And as a result, Aaron will soon die at the end of this chapter,
and then Moses will live on for a while, not much longer,
long enough to preach that long, long sermon of Deuteronomy.
but uh at the end of deuteronomy moses himself will will die outside of the outside of the
promised land and you know in many ways uh that it uh in an ironic way i guess it seems fitting
that moses dies outside outside the promised land i mean moses is he is the personification
of the law when you think of moses you think of the law uh john himself says that right uh the
law came through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. So as the personification
of the law, Moses is also a representative of the inability of the law to bring us into the
promised land. And so for him to die outside of the promised land is a parallel to how far the
law can get us right. So the law can do much in, in revealing our sin and in pointing us in the
right way, but it can't get us there. The law only leads, leaves us with, with accusations of
our imperfection and it points the way toward righteousness, but it can't deliver it. It points
the way to the promised land but it can't provide the necessary grace by which to bring us into the
promised land that's going to be the work of joshua which is the hebrew hebrew name for jesus
so in a in a theological parallel we can see that what happens with moses and with aaron
and their deaths outside the promised land is exactly the way that things happen in our own
lives when the law itself is working on us yeah i think i think it it straight up shows you that
that not only can the law not get you into the promised land but that the law cannot enter the
promised land uh the the law uh goes into the grave before you walk into the promised land
we're waiting for a promised land i mean we are waiting for a new heavens and a new earth i mean
And this is what this is all about ultimately, right, is that.
And the law doesn't go in there.
And so there is that aspect of it.
Paul uses Moses as an illustration of the law all the time.
And while we certainly see and have seen over and over again Moses as a type and shadow of Christ interceding for the people and this sort of thing,
the main thing that the New Testament
writers identify him with
is the law, and rightfully so
the law came down with Moses
from Sinai
and so while the law comes
down through Moses from Sinai
Sinai does not
enter the promised land
that's a good thing too
that is a good thing, yeah
well it's not like
some people will say that the new heaven is the new
earth and the promised, there's sort of
this this thing i don't understand it but we think within christendom where we have this
we're gonna have eden again uh that is just kind of return to eden is what we're after it's not
what we're after it's not going to be like that we're not going to we're not trying that's not
what god has promised that he's gonna he doesn't say that we're gonna rediscover eden he's gonna
He's going to have a new heavens and a new earth that Eden also is burned up.
And you don't want a new Eden because you don't want to redo all of this.
And so in Eden, you do have the day you eat the fruit of this tree, you shall surely die.
You have this law there.
And the wages of breaking that law is death.
It's the ultimate punishment.
And we've been dealing with that ever since.
That does not enter the new heavens and new earth.
There is no command that the breaking of equals death in the new heavens and new earth and the promised land.
And that's a good thing because we don't want this endless cycle of having to do this, you know.
So it's not like Eden in that sense.
And it's not like Eden because Moses doesn't go there.
Yeah, it's much better.
I mean, just like we, our bodies die and we await the resurrection, so the old heavens and the old earth also must experience death and be reformed as the new heavens and the new earth, just like our bodies will be reformed as new and glorious bodies.
Well, I heard one of my favorite theologians said, what happens when we enter the promised land and the new heavens and the new earth is that we come out of the grave and the law goes into it.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a great way to put it.
Yeah, because the law has nothing to say to us anymore, right?
the law only speaks to sinners and in the resurrection sin is is left behind us and
and all that's left is the the enjoyment of the presence of god and the love that uh that god is
pervading all creation yeah that is 40 minutes well you know i thought i thought you know we
were going to get uh all the way to to aaron but you know there was just you know too much to cover
man we'll pick it up uh we'll pick it up there next time we will guys uh make sure you grab those
tickets if you want to come hang out with me and chad and uh and a whole bunch of other people
we'll be talking about uh the common faith uh jumping off of the of the apostles creed and so
that's in next october but you know if you wait until next october you definitely won't be coming
so uh why don't you get that before the first of the year before prices go up we'd love to hang out
with you chad i hope you have a very merry rest of the christmas season i hope you do too and a
and a happy new year absolutely we'll see you next week all right
We'll be right back.
