40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 164 (Deuteronomy 8:1-20)
Episode Date: May 9, 2019God explains that He has humbled Israel for their own good. How should we view the discipline of God? What does it mean that man cannot live by bread alone? What does it mean to "bless the Lord'? Why ...is God careful about what He gives us? Chad and Daniel discuss all of this. Have a listen! 1517 Podcast Network Christian History Almanac Chad Bird Academy Course HWSS Conference Donate
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We are in chapter eight. We wrapped up, I think we pretty much wrapped up seven last time. So
we're going to jump right into eight today. There's a lot of good stuff in here. There's some
more, some more due testament parallels we'll be looking at too. We hit one of those, I think a
couple episodes back. So we're going to look at another one of those today. A lot of kind of
interesting stuff that we haven't encountered before, or at least it's explained in a little
bit different way in this chapter than it was before. So yeah, looking forward to it.
All right, let's dive on in.
So the chapter starts out with kind of the typical Deuteronomy language, and we're used
to this by now. Verse 1, all the commandments that I am commanding you today, you should
be careful to do, that you may live and multiply and go in and possess the land which the Lord
swore to give to your forefathers i mean all that kind of we're we're kind of getting in a rhythm
here we know the way that moses sounds we know the kind of language it is that he's going to be using
so that's that's sort of a a bridge from chapter 7 into into chapter 8. but then when we get to
verse 2 we have a we have a little bit different a little bit different focus with with some with
with some, I guess you might call it divine commentary on exactly why all the stuff that
Israel has been going through has been happening. So I'm going to read, I'm going to read the first,
I'm going to read verses two through five, and then we'll talk about some of that, some of those
details. So two through five, you shall remember all the way which the Lord your God has led you
in the wilderness these 40 years, that he might humble you, testing you to know what was in your
heart, whether you would keep his commandments or not. And he humbled you and let you be hungry
and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that he might make
you know that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by everything that proceeds out of
the mouth of the Lord. Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty
years. Thus you are to know in your heart that the Lord your God was disciplining you, just as a man
disciplines his son. I think, correct me if I'm wrong here, Dan, but I think in those five, four
or five verses that there are like more New Testament echoes there than anything that we've
encountered so far in in deuteronomy i mean i just reading through it i'd say at least four if
not five phrases or images jumped out of me that were just dripping with new testament stories and
theology as well yeah yeah so you see this uh paul brings this up uh the the whole manna and
the wilderness and all this stuff but what immediately jumps to your mind is jesus quoting
to the devil, that man
shall not live by bread alone.
So Jesus himself uses this
as a weapon against Satan.
And then it also
brings to mind
John chapter 6.
In John chapter 6, Jesus feeds
a bunch of people, 5,000 people,
maybe the most famous miracle
where he multiplies the fish and the bread
and feeds 5,000 people, and then people are
like, hey, let's keep that going.
How about you just
provide lunch forever?
Like, every day we'll just keep doing this.
And Jesus does this.
Of course, he does this in the wilderness.
Yes, he does.
Yeah, in the wilderness.
Yeah, there's nothing to eat out there.
And Jesus does this thing like, hey, I'm the real bread that came down from heaven.
And their response is, hey, you know, if you're really God, God gave our fathers manna to eat in the wilderness.
The implication is every day he did this.
This is the implication.
They're like, you know, this wasn't like a one-time deal, Jesus.
Like, I mean, God gave them manna all the time.
And then you see Jesus say that, well, that's not what you need.
What you need is me.
You need my body and my blood.
That's what you need.
So, yeah, those are the two that jump to mind immediately is Jesus using these words against the devil
and then the people using this story of manna in the wilderness to try to get Jesus to give them a free lunch in Pertuity,
like just forever.
That's when he loses basically all his disciples.
Yes.
this is a hard saying and yeah the vast majority of people turn away yeah i think what's great
about this too is that i he he gives you the motivation behind this and the motivation behind
the uh the 40 years the letting you go hungry and then having god feed you miraculously
all of these things are to humble them and that's actually a pretty gracious move by god because
Because it is, I mean, if you think about this, if God delivers you in the same way that he delivers the people of Israel,
and there's all these crazy, miraculous things happening, and then you have the Red Sea,
and all your enemies get drowned, and all this sort of stuff is going on,
you might, as you pass through that Red Sea and get to the other side, feel pretty cocky.
You might be like, all right, let's go get that promised land.
Like, we are legit.
But God doesn't do it that way.
There's the rescuing and there's the humbling so that you don't think more of yourself than you ought,
which is very important, it seems to God,
that God does not want his people to think that they were saved because of who they are
or because they're so great or anything like this.
that he wants them to know that all of this is given from his hand,
and that seems to be the purpose for a lot of the things that happen.
And the way that he talks about this is that it's discipline.
I know, I think it's the famous Jocko Willick who says,
the great theologian Jocko Willick, but he says this, but I think it's true.
You can be humble or be humbled.
These are the options.
for 99.9 of people it's be humbled yeah yeah i i know i'm not in that point
zero one percent yes not that i'm not that i'm boasting in my humility but any experience
in which in the end i am humble was always because i was humbled yes it was never that i i set out
you know what you know i'm i'm just feeling a little bit too cocky yeah i really i really need
to to just take myself down a notch or two before something really before i do something really
stupid or before something really bad happens to me and i end up humbled i'm gonna i'm gonna take
the initiative here and i'm gonna make sure that i don't think so highly of myself yeah that hardly
ever happens yeah never never that's never that's never the case with me uh yeah dude yeah i think i
I think it's obvious, right, that the people of Israel are so much just like the rest of us,
and God has to sort of beat them down into a place of dependency on him.
And he does this over and over and over again.
And not because he's like, I need—it's because that's the best place for you to be.
Yeah.
And I love the image that's used there.
It's a family image, right?
Yeah.
It's a father and a son, right?
so verse five the lord your god was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son and really
i from the perspective of i have a son he's 18 and from the perspective of a father and i guess
the same would apply to a daughter i mean that is one of the it's one of the things you do as a
parent especially when your child gets to be a teenager being a teenager is like synonymous
us with being cocky at least for the guys so uh part of part of what a a dad does and i'm sure
part of what a mom does too what part what any parent does is to just to make sure your kids
don't don't get too full of themselves uh and that's and you but you here's my point you do
that not because you're some sort of totalitarian tyrant who's wanting to just crush them you do it
because you love them, and you know this is actually what's best, right?
Yeah, I mean, I explain discipline like this.
My hope in discipline, I don't discipline my daughter
because she disobeyed my rules, and they're my rules,
and they need to be obeyed.
If she has to be disciplined, which is actually not that often,
but when it does happen, it's because I want her to learn
how to be someone that other people like someone that is helpful to other people someone who's
enjoyable to be around i don't want her to not have any friends and to be someone that nobody
wants to be around and to be a pain for everyone like that's that'll be a miserable existence for
her and so the goal is to make her shape her into and not not to shape her into the into me
but to shape her into a into her but a version of her that is best for her um and the person
and the version of her that's best for her is a version of her that cares for other people
that knows how to be a good friend who knows how to not be selfish who knows how to do all these
things right that's my goal uh because it's going to be so much better for her to if she's if she's
this if she's this kind of person and i know we've talked about this before that you know
the wandering and the 40 years in the wilderness is sort of the teenage,
the adolescent years of, of Israel. Um, I think every guy,
maybe not every guy, a lot of guys, the guy, a lot of guys I know, uh,
at some point in their life, usually around 15 or so,
they decided that it was time to figure out if their father was in charge of
the house or if they were in charge of the house.
There's this moment that comes where you're like,
i think i'm going to see if i can usurp all the authority here like maybe i'm running this whole
thing and uh usually this happens usually this happens is that you go and you decide to question
your mother this is usually how this happens and uh and then dad intervenes i know this happened
for me and uh and then you find out that you are indeed not in charge he found out you're not the
alpha you are not uh but am i wrong about this like this seems like this always happens especially
with boys that you're like i'm gonna go ahead and test and see if i can run this thing now
absolutely yeah yeah and the and the uh consistent pattern is that's the way it works it's usually
not you don't confront your father it's your mother yeah see you and then dad steps in and
you find out in the end what it's like to be humbled exactly then you get humbled
and this is and this is what happens israel kind of over and over again
yeah yeah well yeah i i agree with everything you said about uh about the reason for disciplining
and when you were talking i was saying basically the the purpose of divine disciplining just like
the purpose of parental disciplining is to drive home the fact that uh contrary to our assumption
from conception onward we aren't the center of the universe so any the discipline is to
is to drive that home to us over and over and of course this this is it's not like we finally get
to a point in our lives where we're we're fixed and you know we got this down we we continually
need this but that's really what it's driving us toward is is to the acknowledgement
not just in thought
but in the way that we conduct ourselves
that the world doesn't revolve around us
yeah this is why
in the New Testament it says God disciplines
those that he loves
in other words
if I didn't care, if you didn't care about your child
you wouldn't discipline them
because you wouldn't care about what kind of person they turn out to be
and this is true
yeah that's exactly right
and we've all been around people
who for whatever reason
conducted themselves in such a way that you could tell that their basic life assumption
was that they were looking out for number one and the world did revolve around them and to
hell with everybody else and i mean i don't know about everybody you and everybody else but that's
not the kind of person that i want to be around any more than a few seconds you pick it up
immediately and the first thing i want to do is just get myself away from that person because
they're they're not just that they're not fun to be around it's just like it's sickening to be
around right yeah yeah and entitlement is not attractive no no and we do see israel walk around
with some entitlement and god says to smack them around and they think that they just deserve
certain things by virtue of existing yeah yeah and that that's basically what deuteronomy 8
is hammering home over and over and it does this through various kinds of examples but
one of the examples that he gives here is that's that's the reason that god basically deprived you
of certain things so he didn't give them everything that they wanted or everything that they needed
all of the time so the the example that's given here is is that of hunger so you you shall remember
all the way that the lord your god led you in the wilderness these 40 years and he might humble you
testing you to know what was in your heart, whether you keep his commandments or not,
and he humbled you and let you be hungry. So there was this element of deprivation,
of not giving them something that they wanted or that they needed, in order that through that
lack of something, they might realize that they weren't in charge, they weren't in control,
that things were way outside of their ability to handle it, so that God, through his word
and through his gracious fatherly care of them would provide for them,
and that provision would teach them that the one they can rely on is not themselves,
and what they can rely on is not any kind of effort that they put forth,
but rather they rely on God's word and the promises that he gives there,
which is basically what is happening in the wilderness, right?
Yeah.
Well, not this, I meant like with Jesus in the wilderness.
So he does what the church father, Irenaeus, calls recapitulation.
So he is basically, he has become all humanity.
He's become Adam.
He's become Israel.
He's become us.
And so he is going back through the stages of history.
He's repeating the stages of history, repeating what happened in Eden, repeating what happened with Israel, repeating what happens with each of us.
in order that in his doing of that we might be doing that in his fidelity we might be we might
be faithful so as a son i mean he he's the son of god but he's the son of mary he is fully human so
as as a fully full human being he undergoes suffering he fast for 40 days and 40 nights
in the wilderness, so that when the devil tempts him, he might respond in the way that we should
all respond, so that in his obedience, we find our obedience as well. So that's what's happening
in the temptations in the wilderness. This isn't just like, this isn't Jesus using his divine power
to show the devil who's in charge. This is him acting as a human being who is fully faithful
to the word to the word of his father in in a way that is now our obedience and is our our uh
our righteousness as well you know what's interesting is that the statement by that
that jesus makes it that man should not live by bread alone it is the statement that man does not
live by merely bread but does not exclude bread as in not you you do live by bread just not by
bread by itself. I always love that statement because I think the use of bread in that statement
is intentional. What is being said, and when Jesus ties this in in John 6, is that you cannot live
by merely bread, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. However,
when you do have bread combined with the word of god you have something that does cause you to live
and not just not just survive but live forever this is why jesus says my body is the true bed
bread from heaven and so when you combine bread with the words of institution when you have the
sacrament with the word of god the promises of christ that this is my body broken for you
at this moment you're not only you're not eating merely bread but you are eating bread so so the
bread is not absent so it doesn't say man man doesn't need bread he says man needs bread and
my word and there's a greater thing going on here when you combine bread with my word you will
actually live forever which is what jesus says in john 6 that he who eats my body believes these
words, leaves this about this bread, I will raise him up on the last day. So I think right here in
Deuteronomy, you see this foreshadow of, like, think about it like this, a bread that is not
alone. Yeah, yeah, that's well put. I think that's why the Church Fathers often referred to the
Supper as the medicine of immortality, right? Because in eating this bread, which is also the
word of god because yeah it is it is christ that we are consuming there when you when you consume
him who is life itself then you're consuming immortality right i mean yeah so it's in baptism
we are we're baptized into the death and resurrection of christ and when we consume
the supper we're eating resurrection food right because we're eating him who is himself the
resurrection and and the life yeah it's a great it's a wonderful thing next time you go to the
lord's table think to yourself i am eating bread that is not alone yeah i'm consuming the word who
is life who is life itself yeah it's great yeah that is great yeah yeah so there's there's a lot
packed a lot of new testament stuff that's backed into this old testament section
and by reading those in tandem it really gives you a a great overarching perspective on the
the narrative of the scriptures, which I think is the way is really, I mean,
that's what we try to do, of course, in the podcast.
And I think that's what good, all good biblical study and teaching does is it,
is it demonstrates how the scriptures are like this vast web of
interconnections.
And by tracing those interconnections from old to new Testament or from new
Testament to old Testament,
you show that these aren't just kind of a collection of a variety of different
stories but it's actually they're all part of the the meta story the one overarching story
of salvation and by reading it as this one by looking at it kind of as a as a massive picture
you can see how every single detail is significant by itself but every significant important detail
is also part of that bigger picture of what god is doing and finally climactically does
in the person of christ so anyway that's that's that's a lot about the first five verses but
there's a lot there yeah we've been making a habit of that a lot about five verses yeah we have
so verse six uh takes us to really i i guess you could you could call this a section that is
that is full of the various ways that god is going to bless his people but at the same time
there's also a warning about the the potential rebellion coming almost a a passive rebellion
that's going to take that could take place if israel forgets this so verse six again says you
shall keep the commandments of the lord your god walk in his ways fear him verse seven says that
the lord your god is bringing you into a good land and then we have this description of how it's a
good land? Well, there's brooks of water, there's fountains, there's springs, there's, verse 8 says
there's all of these various kinds of crops and fruits like wheat and barley and fig trees and
pomegranates. And not only that, but it's a land that has olive oil and honey. And verse 9 says
you will eat food without scarcity. You'll not lack anything. In fact, I don't think we've seen
this before it says a land whose stones are iron and out of whose hills you can dig copper so i
mean we got everything covered here right we got water we got fruit trees we got crops we even have
metals in in in the soil i mean there's there's what else would you want right i mean this is
this is the promised land you can't you can't get anything better than this so verse 10 on the basis
of all that says, so when you've entered this land and you've eaten, here we have this theme
of food come up again, when you've eaten and are satisfied, what do you do? Well, you basically
remember who gave you all this. You shall bless the Lord your God for the good land which he has
given you. In other words, when you have eaten and drunk and completely satisfied yourself for
the life that He is providing for you, don't feel guilty. I mean, don't have any kind of
reservations about, oh, I don't know if I should really be enjoying this as much as I am, or be
thinking, well, this should really be something. I'm not worthy of this. Somebody else should be
enjoying this, not me. None of that. Just thank God for the gift. It's really, it's quite simple.
So don't say to yourself, wow, look at all the good stuff that I have provided through my own
efforts or look at all the good stuff that i have deserved or look you know i've really i've pushed
myself so much and i've worked so hard that i've been able to attain this no none of that just
simply receive it as a gift and thank god bless god who has given you this gift it's real simple
yeah i i think that uh you see this this term come up a lot and uh and it comes up a lot in
church as well, to bless the Lord. And that can be maybe confusing. It's actually, nothing could
be simpler. To bless the Lord is to say thank you. That's it. That's all it is. Yeah. Yeah,
it's, when God blesses us, he's given us a gift. When we bless God, we're just basically saying,
thank you. Yes. It's the acknowledgement that everything is coming from a fatherly hand,
and we bless God by simply acknowledging that and saying, thank you for the gifts you've given me.
yeah so you could say it this way when we bless god we're thanking him for the blessings that
he's given to us he's not looking for you to repay him or or anything like this he's just
looking for you to acknowledge that he has given you this good thing yeah in other words god is
looking for faith exactly looking for trust trust in what he's done and that trust then
the voice of trust is the voice of thanksgiving which which leads us into
uh the kind of the negative reason i guess that moses says what he says verse 11 it says beware
okay so god's given all these gifts we say thank you beware though lest you forget the lord your
god by not keeping his commandments and his ordinances and his statutes which i'm commanding
today lest and now he gets specific less when you have eaten and are satisfied and have built good
houses and lived in them and when your herds and your flocks multiply and your silver and your gold
multiply and all that you have multiplies so beware unless you know when basically you have
all of this these these wonderful blessings from god verse 14 then your heart becomes proud
and you forget the lord your god who brought you out of the land of egypt out of the house of
slavery and led you through the great and terrible wilderness with its fiery serpents and scorpions
and thirsty ground where there was no water and he brought water for you out of the rock of flint
in the wilderness he fed you man in which your fathers did not know that he might humble you
that he might test you to do good for you in the end? Otherwise, verse 17, you may say in your heart,
my power and the strength of my hand made me this well. This is Moses' way of reminding us
way, way back of something which I think I speak for everyone here, with which we constantly
struggle today uh i've i've said this i know i've said this before in the podcast and i've said it
in a lot of different contexts but the that the most dangerous time for us is when everything is
going well yeah if you want to know why the pride yeah if you want to know why god doesn't give you
everything you want this is why this is it right here yeah yeah this is one of those mysteries of
human nature we i think once once you once you get to a certain age and have some enough life
experience you know this cognitively you know this to be true and yet practically speaking it is one
of the most difficult aspects of life to remember on an ongoing basis because the minute i mean i
tell you from personal experience the the worst mistakes i've made in my life were always when
everything was going well yeah yeah every because what happened was i have all this stuff and
instead of doing exactly what deuteronomy told me to do thank god for the gift bless him for the
blessings i began to think in my heart because of the strength of my own hand and because the
the wisdom of my own head and because of all this stuff that i've done and accomplished and
etc it's because of all that that i have this so that's in the language of deuteronomy i'm not
remembering the lord my god instead all i'm focusing on is is myself yeah that's the old
adams work yeah there's a scene in the in the movie castaway where uh he tries forever and
finally makes this fire and then like he's dancing around and saying look look at what i have done
Look, I have made fire, right?
And it's probably appropriate in this sense because he's been working very hard at this, made this fire.
But I feel like this is how we are with everything.
Like God could give us all these things.
Look at what I've done.
Like I am all that is man.
Look what I have built.
And this is how it is with everything.
Look at the job I have.
Look at where I have come from and how I have climbed this ladder.
Look at my house.
Look at all my things, whatever it is, my family, all good things.
I have done this
What happens is that when God gives us a lot
Quickly
We will most definitely think that was us
Yeah
I love that
I'm drawing a blank now as to where Paul says this
But when he lists all of his accomplishments
You know
I was this and I did this
And
It's like he's giving us his resume
And then at the end
But I consider all of this
nothing but uh but dung except he doesn't use the the greek word for dung he uses the uh the other
word in comparison he considers all this dung compared to the knowledge of christ right yeah
to know christ everything else well nothing else compares and and i think that applies in this case
as well so we may have all of this stuff which most of us do i mean we are in from the perspective
of the world we are we are incredibly rich and and have we have so much uh but ultimately really
what matters is the god who gave that yeah it's even when paul does this and he says like all i
consider all this done um this is not to say that like all the things that you have that god has
given you are in fact done but by comparison in comparison to this thing they are nothing
So even things that are good
Things that are great
Things that are gifts from God
Everything that God has given you
Which are things that you should bless him for
That you should thank him for
That are good things
When contrasted with
Salvation in Christ
Are nothing
That's what he's trying
That's a picture he's trying to paint
Think about the best things you have
Now think about Christ
in comparison the very best things are a pile of dumb yeah and i i think we could apply we we we
all understand how this applies in our in our personal lives in our family lives and we and i
think we we understand how this could apply on a on a on a national level as well but i don't think
we always think about how this applies also on the level of the church as well right you think
about the church's life. Well, there's churches out there that have a lot of things. They might
have a beautiful building. They might have a lot of money. They might have a lot of staff and just
a lot of things that are material in nature that are a great blessing to the church, right?
but what uh what is all of that in comparison with having the gospel well it's nothing because
that's what that's what it's all about so i think you could apply this personal lives you could
apply this on the national level you can apply it on the church level as well it's it's a matter of
remembering that which is of utmost importance and what is always of utmost importance is our
unity with christ and the forgiveness life and salvation that we have in him really on a
comparison level nothing else compares because nothing else is going to outlast this life
nothing else has that eternal weight attached to it like christ and his gifts do yeah i've said it
this way before no matter how much uh no matter i mean no matter how much gold you have on the
walls of the church or how many lights or how much staff or how great your building is which
are all good all of them are nothing compared to the gift of strange looking bread and cheap wine
on the altar that this is christ and and all all of them uh by comparison are nothing
which is which is the upside down way that god works i think you wrote a book about this
chat but uh yeah i think you did uh but this is how it works like where's the real gift well the
real gift is like this this thing over here that any that everybody can have any whatever church
building you're in wherever you are you can have this so it doesn't mean the other things are bad
but if you compare the two the the one the one just far exceeds the other
yeah christianity has never been uh anti this world right i mean it christianity gives thanks
for all the gifts of creation it gives thanks for everything from the clothing in our bodies to
the homes in which we live cars that we drive the money in the bank our jobs i mean all of this is
is a gift of god and it's not in other words we're not like some of the ancient gnostics
that thought we had to shun all of this physicality and these things of creation
because they were somehow tainted quite the opposite these are these are gifts of god
and we we bless him for these gifts we just don't turn them into turn them into idols or turn
ourself or a belly into into an idol and forget the source of all of these things and we and we
remember that God behind all of these things is the God who gives these gifts. So it doesn't
matter how hard you work at your job. The reason that you have a paycheck and the reason you have
all those things that that paycheck provides for you is because it's a gift. It doesn't matter,
you know, how much you've been careful to save and how diligent that you are with your finances.
ultimately everything that you're able to possess because of that is still a gift the gift of god
so the focus is never upon on ourselves as somehow generating all of these good things instead the
focus is always upon god who who provides them through these external means that he always uses
behind which he he hides as the as the mask of the giver yeah and and you see him make this point at
the end of this chapter where he's saying the reason this is so dangerous is exactly what you
said that you'll forget the lord your god and go after other gods in other words idols in other
words you might even go out go after the thing itself all right so the the the warnings that
you will fall into you'll forget god you'll forget the one who's given you all these things you'll go
after other gods serve them worship them and you will like all other nations perish because you
because you will disconnect yourself from the giver of all good things yeah it was the reminder
to israel that what set them apart was not their righteousness as he's going to say in the next
chapter it's not their righteousness it's not uh their their their moral bank account it was it
was nothing about them that set them apart uh the only thing that set them apart was god's choices
and god's love of them and their their faith in him and so they they could very well end up like
the gentile nations whom they are going in to dispossess because ultimately they would be
tempted to actually in some ways become worse than those gentile nations because they would then
make an idol out of themselves after after god had given them all of these these good gifts
yes yeah it's a it's a great reminder of uh of god the giver and us those who bless him and give
thanks for the gifts he provides absolutely and that's it man that's that's deuteronomy chapter
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