40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 70 (Exodus 6:9-7:7)

Episode Date: January 31, 2017

It's almost time for the plagues but before they get there Moses brings up his poor speech again and God talks about the hardening of Pharaoh's heart. Uncircumcised lips? Making Moses as God? Chad and Daniel talk about all that and more in this episode. Check it out!

Welcome to another edition of 40 Minutes in the Old Testament. I'm Daniel Emery Price, and I am joined, as always, by the definite article Chad Bird. What's going on, Chad? Hey, hey, how you doing, Dan? I'm good. You ready to do some Exodus? I'm ready to do it. Let's Exodus this up. Yeah, I think we're going to get plagued here pretty quick.

We're not quite there, but we're going to jump headfirst into plagues here, I think, in chapter 7. And so we're going to kind of lead up to that and maybe get into a little bit of the Nile turning into blood today. We'll see how things go. Okay, let's do it. All right. So last time we focused quite a bit on the opening section, first section of chapter six of Exodus. And this is after things went very poorly for Moses and Aaron. And they they went to meet with Pharaoh and Pharaoh took away the straw from the Israelite brickmakers.

And anyway, it ended up just kind of being a really, really mess for Moses and Aaron. Things did not go at all like they had intended. In fact, they went they went worse. So God, Moses goes to God and complains, basically, and says, every every since I got down here, things have only only become worse so what's up and then god in these opening verses of chapter six reassures moses and uh tells moses that look everything is going to work out uh i am the lord that's one of the recurring phrases in this section i am yahweh meaning i am the god who is going to be with you and is going to work for you and is going to bring about your ultimate

redemption. Now, I'm not saying it's going to be easy. I'm not saying it's going to be fast. I'm not saying it's going to work according to the way you think it should, but I am Yahweh, and I will deliver you and redeem you and bring you all the way to the land that I promised Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So there's a speech that God gives to Moses in order to strengthen him in his weakening faith and to give him some hope in the midst of his growing despair. So you would think then, maybe because of all of this divine speech, that the next verse would say something like, and Moses took all these words of the Lord to the people, and they were greatly encouraged. But picking up here where we left off, that isn't quite what happened.

so when when god stops speaking at the end of verse 8 in chapter 6 we have this in verse 9 so moses spoke thus to the sons of israel in other words he told the israelites everything that god had just told him but they did not listen to moses on account of their despondency and cruel bondage that's that's not that's not a very encouraging word to preachers huh no no it's not it doesn't always go the way that you think or want want it to go uh they uh the the hebrew there for despondency that's what my translation has is literally this this shortness of spirit it's this idea that you know a lengthy spirit or enlarged spirit would be full of hope and open to the promises of God, but shortness of spirit is, I guess we might even

translate it as something like depression, the literal sense of depression, this idea of being pressed down to be made smaller. So the idea is that their spirit was made smaller, was pressed down, and because of the cruel bondage. In other words, just because these good words were spoken to them, words of promise and words of hope from the mouth of God himself did not necessarily mean that this was going to really hit home with the Israelites, because sometimes people are trapped in a situation where, at least for the time being, when they hear the gospel or when they hear any of the Lord's words of hope, it doesn't immediately give them that kind of hope or that kind of forward-looking faith that that we want it to uh that that just

that's just human nature people are uh are sometimes going to be have to to be brought along to another place where that word will begin to actually work what god intends uh intended to work in their in their hearts yeah i the the esv translates that uh because of their their broken or uh you know their broken spirit or their brokenness of spirit because you know and harsh slavery the the which i mean it's as you read it it's sort of um discouraging but in an odd way it's also encouraging because uh i think lots of people have have been in that spot where the promises of God don't seem to be impacting you or giving you hope the way that they should

because you're in such a broken condition. Maybe it's your own fault, or maybe it's not. It can be either one. You can be in a broken condition. You can be low in spirit or broken in spirit because of your own sin and the ramifications of that, or because of somebody else's that you have nothing to do with. But either way, when you're sort of in that depths of despair,

sometimes the promises of God don't just immediately lift you up out of it. Yeah. And that's why I think it's so important that those words of hope and consolation continue to be spoken because even though they might not make the impact on us or on those we love immediately they still need to hear them uh it's it's this ongoing ongoing expression of god's fidelity to us of hope for the future that we that we need to hear so that even though we may not feel the reaction that we want or experience the kind of of increase in hope that we wish that we could over time that that word does its work it doesn't doesn't return to god

void it accomplishes that for which for which he sent it you know we we tend to be slow learners and slow listeners slow hearers and so god continually comes to us and sometimes it's It's just like he's a broken record saying the same thing over and over and over to us. But that's what we need. And eventually, this word does its work. Now, with the Israelites, it will. It'll take some time, but they will get there. But for now, there's going to be a lengthy interlude between what God is saying to them now

and then finally when they will actually begin to hope again. because we got a whole series of plagues between then and then and now so um we have that verse and then what what follows is is this god again speaks to moses he kind of he reiterates what he's already said he says go tell pharaoh king of egypt to let the sons of israel go out of his land and moses complains he says to god look the sons of israel haven't listened to me how then will Pharaoh listen to me? Because I am unskilled in speech. So it's a legitimate complaint Moses makes. He's like, listen, even my own people will listen to me. There's no way that Pharaoh is going to listen to me. But God is unrelenting. God says to Moses and to Aaron, his brother,

he gave them a charge. So he commissioned them. He charged them to speak to the sons of Israel and to Pharaoh king of Egypt to bring the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt so in other words just because the people of Israel wouldn't listen because of their despondency and brokenness of spirit and just because Pharaoh wouldn't listen because of his hardness of heart and increasing hardness of heart did not mean that Moses was somehow not supposed to say anything else. I think that's an important point, too, that just because a person doesn't seem to be listening to us, or in fact seems to be rejecting the word that we speak, doesn't mean that we stop speaking. God says, continue to speak to the sons of Israel. Continue to speak to Pharaoh. It doesn't

matter if you're unskilled in speech. It doesn't matter if they don't seem to be listening. continue to to utter my word and my word when the time comes will will work that for which i for which i sent it and it's going to be different in the case of pharaoh and it's going to be different for the children of israel but his word will have the effect that he that he wants it to have and sometimes you know we can't control when that happens we can't control the effect that it has on people but we can control the ongoing speaking of that word and letting the word do its do its work yeah it's interesting uh in uh in my translation here it has um i am of uncircumcised lips which which is uh you know obviously you don't circumcise your lips that's

not a it's not a thing uh so he's obviously using that as a you know a metaphor for something else being unskilled in speech but that phrase is interesting because it means that God has not God has not touched his weakness

and he has not lifted that from him and so I feel like there's sort of this yeah God, how am I going to tell Pharaoh when I'm of uncircumcised lips in other words I still sort of have

this speech affliction you know it would have been helpful if I didn't suck at talking which I told you about by the way yeah which yeah I told you this back in the burning bush there's nothing I could do about it

so if you would just circumcise my lips which is I mean I think what's happening here is he's saying like if you would you know um place your blessing on my speech right i mean this is this is what circumcision is it's it's the the the physical sign of the covenant of god and the blessing of god and so when he says my lips are uncircumcised it's saying that like they apparently don't have that they don't have that blessing they don't have that promise uh because i still stumble over my

words yeah yeah yeah as you were talking it reminded me a lot of paul's complaint too you know three times i begged the lord to take away this thorn in the flesh you know and yet god god won't do it uh my my grace is sufficient for you for my power is made perfect in in weakness and oh my goodness uh we could come up with a million examples of of that in our own lives and in the lives of other people you know if if only uh i could do this better if only i didn't have this weakness if only i didn't have this physical defect if i look only i didn't have this spiritual effect if only you know if only i were like somebody else then everything would be okay so why don't you do it god and god's response is always the same my uh my power is made perfect

and weakness, because God chooses uncircumcised lives, or He chooses the various weaknesses and afflictions and thorns in the flesh from which we suffer in order to work through those, because God is the kind of God who likes to put His strength in weakness, who likes to put His glory in suffering, who ultimately likes to work life for all creation in the death of Himself on the cross. yeah so he's always working through that which we we wish that he wouldn't work through you know just make us perfect and and full of strength and beautiful and and all these other things that we admire and god says no no no no that's that's not the way i work yeah yeah we all want to be we all want to be like just make us like saul and everything will be great everything will be great

If we could all just be 6'4", you know, ripped up, good speakers, you know, handsome dudes, like, that would be, like, then we got done. Then it would be easy, you know? And that's not how it goes. And I think that a lot of times this isn't just, like, spiritual stuff. I mean, this is, like, actual physical stuff. So, I mean, I think even in the case of Paul, I mean, some people say, like, thorn in the flesh, and they sort of take that as, maybe you do, Chad, I don't know. But they'll take that as sort of like thorn in the flesh in the spiritual sense, you know, like, so it's like some temptation he struggles with or something like that. I don't think that's what it is.

I think it's talking about thorn in the flesh as in, like, the actual flesh, much like this. This is a thorn in Moses' actual flesh. Like he's not, maybe he has a stutter, maybe he has a speech impediment, maybe he just isn't great, you know, he's not quick with his words, whatever it is, but it's a physical thing that makes it difficult physically. And I think Paul's was too. I mean, I subscribe to that Paul. Something was severely wrong with Paul's eyesight and not just like,

yeah i have a hard time seeing but like had some kind of like messed up like eye infection kind of thing going i mean you see in some epistles where he talks about that he was like tough to look at and that uh you know text where he talks about you know hey you guys were awesome because you would have like pulled your eyeballs out of your head and like given them to me if you could um you have him saying you know hey i wrote this letter because i was really important but i wrote it was huge you can tell i did because of the the font that i used is like you know 80 80 font because i can't see anything um and and i think that that's helpful i mean like yeah i mean it'd be you know you'd be like oh it'd be cool if like paul was just like you know the thorn in the flesh

really struggled with this lust or whatever i don't think it's that though man i think i think it's like i think one of the reasons we don't want it to be this physical thing is because we're like well, God would just heal that, but he doesn't. Like, he doesn't always do that, and that flies in the face of, like, sort of this triumphant idea that we have that, no, God doesn't just touch Moses' lips, and all of a sudden, whatever it is that he has going on, say it's a stutter. Like, he doesn't just, like, be like, oh, you're not going to have that anymore. He doesn't just say, you know what, Paul?

It would be helpful if you weren't, like, if your eyes weren't, like, oozing pus, and you were disgusting to look at, and you could actually, you know, like, i don't know read stuff and and you didn't have to have somebody else writing your letters for you uh that would probably be more expedient so practically speaking that's better let's do it let's do that he doesn't do that like he he let he lets those things remain which so when we have something even in our bodies um and we think like man um serving god or just living life in this world or like or whatever it is it'd be a lot easier if i didn't have this particular affliction which is a real affliction god does not promise like yeah in this life i'm gonna just go ahead

and take that away and and make it to where you don't have to deal with this anymore because again his strength is made perfect in weakness right yeah i mean over uh over all of this you could just lay the cross. That is the way that God works. He displays His ultimate love and grace and the way He works in the cross of the Son, and then He continues to display it in the way that cross imprints our lives, whether that's through spiritual suffering or physical suffering or physical disabilities or whatever it is that deprives us of this perfect life or perfect body that we think we need. That's just not the way that God works.

And what tends to happen a lot of times when we do have this supposed perfection, whatever that might be that we think we're really good at, it inflates our pride and ends up being our downfall anyway. So much better that God worked through our weaknesses in order that we might be humbled and realize that He's actually the one doing the work and not us. yeah you can go ahead and tell me now how i'm wrong about paul oh no no i like your idea i

think uh i think it's uh all those examples that you gave about his eyesight are uh are pretty convincing i like the fact that he doesn't specifically say what it is yeah so that has kind of this uh universal uh applicability to us you know if he just said you know i asked you three times to heal my eyes but you said no uh that would certainly still have an impact on us But that he chose kind of this metaphor of a thorn in the flesh, I think, is helpful because that that allows each of us when we deal with whatever our thorns might be to see ourselves and Paul's struggle. And I've got a whole list of things that I've asked God like 30 times to take away. And so far he hasn't. So I can sympathize with Paul.

I'm still waiting, you know, for all these thorns to be taken away. But there they are still in place. Yep. All right. So that finishes up 10 through 13. Now we've got, interestingly, we've got a genealogy of all things kind of thrown right here into the mix. It's verses 14 through 27 of chapter six and it's kind of an odd odd place uh at least from my perspective for a genealogy to be thrown in i would think that a genealogy might begin at might you know the appropriate beginning of the book hey let's let's kind of summarize who these people are and who the main character is going to be and who their parents grandparents and great-grandparents are but

we wait until chapter six. And I think this is significant. It's sort of an interlude, a big parentheses that we have here to kind of, it connects us, for one reason, it connects us with everything that we've studied in Genesis. So it starts out with the tribe of Reuben and then the tribe of Simeon, so the firstborn and the secondborn. And then it goes to Levi. And And it really, it's not a full genealogy. It says a little bit about the tribe of Reuben, a little bit of the tribe of Simeon. And then most of the genealogy, verses 16 through 27, are talking about the family of Levi, the tribe of Levi. And the reason that is, is because Moses and Aaron were from the tribe of Levi.

So this is kind of like, hey, let's pause for a second here and look back to where we came from so that we can better understand where we're at. So this is a way of bridging that gap once more from Genesis to Exodus and telling us a little bit more about who Moses is and who Aaron is and how they kind of fit into this bigger story that this genealogy represents. and then we have to jump ahead a few verses to verse 7 of chapter 7 and we hear finally not until this to this point but finally we hear how old Moses is up to this point we haven't been told uh we hear that he's 80 that he's 80 years old and his brother Aaron is a little bit older he's he's 83 I was thinking about this the other day and I think it is it's a it's kind of an interesting parallel here. So you've got kind of the opening story laid out here in the first six and a half chapters. And then, and only then, do you have the genealogy of the main character

presented, that of Moses. And then you hear about his age right before he goes into this ten-plague controversy, conflict, with Pharaoh. And I got to thinking, you know what? That is parallel to some extent in the Gospel of Luke because we kind of have the same pattern there. So the Gospel of Luke begins by telling us the story of Jesus. We hear about his birth and all of those things and some of the first things that happened.

But it's not until I'm trying to get there in my Bible. It's not until chapter three. So after we've already heard quite a bit about this opening story, it's not until chapter three that we get to the actual genealogy of Jesus. And then also, then we're told his age right before he goes into conflict with the devil during 40 days of temptation in the wilderness. So if you look at these two accounts, the Gospel of Luke and then Exodus, there's this kind of a structural, to me anyway, intriguing parallel. You have the opening story told about the main character, Moses and Jesus. Then you have the genealogy of Moses and Jesus. And then you have the age of both of them given, 80 in the case of Moses and 30 in the case of Jesus, right before they began this major conflict with one with the devil and one with Pharaoh. I think it's an interesting example of how oftentimes the New Testament is imitating the Old Testament in ways that might not be obvious right on the surface.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, the New Testament starts with genealogy, which is totally, if you think about it in a, so I'm a musician, so I tend to think this way sometimes. I tend to think that if you have the New Testament as a song, it's a song that's written in the key of Old Testament. And it starts like that. So the first note in it is a genealogy in Matthew, and it stays on that trajectory. It's different, but it's in that same key. yeah that's good that's good it's it really does it sets the tone it sets the uh it immediately then connects you back to everything that went before it so that you can hear it hear the music the right way yeah uh a few weeks ago at at the church i attend this was toward the beginning of

advent so we're looking at early early december our our pastor one of our pastors uh when he when he began his sermon, he read that whole genealogy from Matthew. He warned us ahead of time. He's like, I'm going to do something that I haven't done before. And you're going to get impatient, but just bear with me. And verse after verse, name after name, he read through that whole genealogy at the beginning of his sermon. And I was looking around the congregation and people We're fidgeting and looking at each other like, yeah, man, when is this ever going to be over? You know, it probably didn't take two minutes, but it felt like it was 15. And he had a he had a great reason for doing it.

He had a great point of doing that in that he made us realize that one of the things this genealogy represents is how long the people of Israel had to wait for the Messiah to be born. So I do think that's one of the advantages of genealogies, even though we tend to skip or skim over them when we're reading the Bible, is they force us to slow down and to see the kind of the slow, methodical, patient way that God finally brings about his promises. You know, he doesn't, the firstborn of Eve is not the Messiah. He makes him wait a generation, then another generation, then another generation. And it kind of has that same point here. I think it's a reminder.

This genealogy in Exodus six is a reminder that, hey, you know, this this redemption that God promised Abraham way back in Genesis 12. It's going to happen. But you had to wait a while. You know, you had to have this man, father, this son and this father become a father himself. And then on down the line, it goes into finally you have Moses and Aaron born. and they're going to be the instruments of God to bring about this redemption that Israel has been waiting for all these years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that's not, you see in the Bible, that's not just us,

but yeah, even Adam, right? I mean, this goes way back to previous episodes. But yeah, even Adam, like they have a son and he's like, sweet deliverance. Yeah, that's right. Cain, he's going to be the one. He's the seed of the woman who's going to crush the head of the serpent. Not so much. No, he ends up being a murderer, not a Messiah.

It doesn't always work out that way. But you have to admire their enthusiasm, right? They were ready for salvation. But God's like, no, you're going to need to wait a while. A couple of generations. A couple of generations, yeah. All right, so that's the genealogy. We have that spelled out for us, and it's more or less the way that the chapter ends.

We have kind of a reiteration of God telling Moses once more that, I am Yahweh, speak to Pharaoh, king of Egypt, all that I speak to you. And once again, Moses complains of his uncircumcised lips. And that then leads us into chapter 7. Does the amount of times that Moses brings this up seems to really drive home the point that, like, this is, like, a real insecurity for him? Yeah, it is. I think you're right. This is the one complaint that he makes about his inability, anyway.

This is the one that comes up over and over and over. You know, it's interesting. He never complains about his age. no he never says you know like when he was 80 when uh uh when he was was called to do this he never said hey look you know i'm too old for this right i can't do this i mean i've lived eight decades i'm ready to retire and move to florida i'm not going back to egypt uh but he never complains about that you know he talks about you know what what am i supposed to tell me your name is and uh i can't do this and blah blah blah but the one thing that comes up over and over is is

the fact that he's not eloquent uh that he has uncircumcised lips that he's unskilled in speech you know whatever it is however he phrases it it's always the same thing that his his uh rhetorical skills are woefully are woefully lacking or physically impaired in some way yeah yeah i don't i don't even get the sense that he's like you know that he's really afraid even um it's it's more Or this job requires a certain amount of communication skills that I don't know if you know me, but I don't possess them. And again, we don't know what they are. But man, they must be pretty profound impediment here for it to be the thing that he keeps bringing up. Yeah, yeah, must be.

Well, it is a it's a it's a good example of how, you know, the things that we would would would never put on our resume if we were putting a resume to God, you know, and I have these skills, blah, blah, blah. But God, God doesn't look at those and God doesn't consider the things we wouldn't ever put on there as somehow, you know, disqualifying us from that. God has a God looks beyond what we think are our strengths and weaknesses to to see how he can truly, truly use us. I mean, we we all we all think, you know, I'm strong in this in this area. I'm I'm weak in this in this area. And God, God very often comes through and is like, I don't care of any of that. It's this. This is me. You know, I'm the one doing this. You're you're my instrument. and if so if i'm the one doing it well it doesn't matter what you think your strengths or weaknesses are i'm i'm going to be the one accomplishing it uh you're going to be my hands and my feet

my mouth to to bring that to pass and it yeah it might not be pretty but it's going to be effective it's going to accomplish what i want it to accomplish yeah yeah uh not it's interesting but the the the word of god uh is is effective it's epic is that lose its efficacy even when stuttered through it's still still and that's it that just shows you that it's god doing it that's right not not that a stutter is what's going on whatever it is uh yeah yeah i mean you can have a preacher that's just you know like chrysostom uh saint chrysostom chrysostom means golden-tongued. He's one of the most famously eloquent preachers in the history of the church. So you can have a St. Chrysostom, but you can also have a St. Moses. One is highly rhetorically

skilled. One has some sort of speech problem, but God uses them both for the accomplishment of his will. Because ultimately, it's not man's ability to put words together in some sort of pretty way that counts it's it's it's man's word being baptized by the word of god that is his words being god's words that issue forth and accomplish what god wants them to accomplish yeah yeah all right so uh we're in chapter seven now so this is right after moses gives his latest objection about pharaoh not listening to him because he is uncircumcised of lips and so here's how god responds. This is the Lord's answer to Moses' ongoing complaint. He says, look, I'm going to make you, I'm going to make you God to Pharaoh. And your brother Aaron, I'm going to make him

your prophet. So here's how it's going to work. You speak all that I command you. And then your brother Aaron is going to speak to Pharaoh that he should let the sons of Israel go out of his land. This is a unique verse, a couple of verses in the Bible, because to my knowledge, nowhere else in the Old or New Testament does this kind of very bold language occur. This maybe is God's final way of responding to Moses' complaint. You know, Moses is on and on complaining about the speeches. So finally, God says, look, look, Moses, I know about your speech impediment i don't like your uncircumcised lips here's what i'm gonna do i'm gonna make you god to pharaoh and then aaron's gonna be your prophet so just like i speak to a prophet and

the prophet speaks to whoever he's sent to so you're gonna speak to aaron and then aaron is gonna speak to pharaoh for you so that's the way it's that's the way it's gonna work i like that uh I'm going to make you as God to Pharaoh also means I'm going to make you like me to Pharaoh, which of course means he won't listen to you. Yeah, right. This is not the outcome that we would expect from God. Because I don't know if you know this, people don't listen to me. God is the most ignored person in the world when it comes to people listening to him, right?

Yes. I mean, we will listen. This just kills me. Some Hollywood star will say something, even though they have absolutely, maybe not absolutely, but little experience or training or whatever, you know what they're talking about.

And so many people are just like oohing and aahing over this pronouncement that someone from Hollywood makes. And then God speaks and like, yeah, whatever. we do this we do this even in the church like when somebody famous becomes a christian all of a sudden all of a sudden like we throw them in front of a microphone and we're like how do you explain the problem of evil and you're like what are you doing this person's been saved for like a month like what are you what are you doing right now like they're not an apologist like what the heck like yeah like oh they're famous they probably got some like really divine insight

on this what are you doing right yeah no they're just good at football right yes acting or they're just good at whatever it is yeah it is amazing to me how how fame tends to lend credence to people that all of a sudden because they're good at this one thing that's made them famous all of a sudden we assume that they are knowledgeable and good at all these other things as well no i mean he can catch her football really well you know she's great at acting in movies but as far as you know knowing answers that uh have uh have confounded the minds of people throughout the centuries no that's not the person to ask it's it's a commentary i think on our um our idolization of people especially famous people we always expect more from them than they're ever willing

to give so uh yeah uh god is the one who's ignored he's he's not the one who's listened to and then we have we have uh for uh for at least a second time if not a third time the promise that god is going to harden pharaoh's heart that's what follows immediately after this god says i will so aaron will speak what you tell him to speak but god says i will harden pharaoh's heart so that I may multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. When Pharaoh will not listen to you, then I will lay my hand on Egypt. This is not the kind of laying on of hands that people want. I will lay my hand on Egypt and bring out my host, my people, the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt by great judgments. And the Egyptians shall know that I am Yahweh when I

stretch out my hand on Egypt and bring out the sons of Israel from their midst. So this is some pretty dire predictions that God is going to give. I'd like the fact that the heart of Pharaoh is hardened in order that God would multiply his signs and wonders in the land of Egypt. So this is going to be the fruit of Pharaoh's hardening of heart. god is going to work signs and wonders in the land of egypt this is a tricky thing the um you know you wonder like why why you gotta harden his heart and ultimately you see like a participation of pharaoh in this when this goes down so like god hardens his heart then you have other times where it'll say like pharaoh hardened his heart and so so you have kind of this this

both and thing happening uh but uh you do wonder like why though like like so you're gonna bring all this like i mean these things are terrible that you're gonna that you're gonna bring on them and like wouldn't have been just easier if you didn't do that and and you just you know or maybe or maybe you just like fast forward to like you know what it's gonna end up taking so maybe just like fast forward take out pharaoh's son spoiler alert uh and uh you know just right out of the gate and then like it's done like why why you gotta do all this stuff and and that's a question i i've i've been i've been asked before and you kind of wrestle around with it like you know i mean why you got to go through all this like to get to the point in the place that you

want that you're trying to get to yeah and i think i think the answer is sort of right here is that it's through this well one i think that the the passover is um something that that god really really wants to establish and finds um because of the christology that goes along with it um but two i think that this is one of the ways that god is going to sort of validate the message that moses is bringing to the people as they're about to go out into the wilderness all of the things that they're about to witness God do for their deliverance are going to

now, they're still going to be forgetful but I mean, can you imagine if it wasn't like that it's just Moses like, let my people go and Pharaoh's like, alright, we'll let you go I mean, they'd be back 30 minutes into their journey they'd be like, forget this like you know like how do we know like all of these things are are god does to to bolster the

the confidence of of the jews leaving egypt um these are things that are going to be sung about and talked about for i mean there's to this day i mean for the rest of jewish history certainly in the old testament certainly the red sea is like that and the red sea is also like there's a ton of imagery that goes on there so um there there is this i think thing where where god is going to and we'll get into the plagues and how that relates to christ and all this sort of thing but there's a lot going on on there but i do think that part of it is just to show his people that he is god and also the lengths that he will go to to uh to deliver them yeah very good uh we have a lot more to say but i think we're out of time yeah look at that i just took i don't know where you

were going i just that was that was a good way to that was a good way to end okay yeah well now now you can look forward to us uh trying to try to tie all those things into what i just said yeah there you go well give us a good goal to strive for there you go all right well it's gonna i guess it didn't get too plaguy this week uh but i think uh we're guaranteed to get plaguy next week chad the plagues are coming next week so prepare yourself now yeah batting the hatches It's coming. All right, guys. Well, thanks for joining us.

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Get that ticket. You can figure out your travel later and get a spot reserved. You can come hang out with me and Chad and a whole host of other people. Go to herewestillstand.org, and you can check out the schedule and all the people that are going to be there and what's going to go on. So, yeah. All right, guys. We will see you next week.

We'll see you next week. Thank you.