40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 76 (Exodus 13:17-14:16)

Episode Date: March 14, 2017

Grab the bones of Joseph it's time to leave Egypt! A pillar of cloud and fire, a pursuing angry army and a God who says "Be still and watch this!" Chad Bird and Daniel Emery Price talk about all of it in this episode. Check it out! 

welcome to another episode of 40 minutes in the old testament i'm daniel emery price joined by chad bird chad how you doing i'm good i'm good you doing all right i'm good a little tired you were scoping out san diego i was what's going on out there oh dude out there it's going on if uh if you guys are looking for something amazing to do and uh in october which i'm sure you are uh you should definitely consider uh go ahead and plan plan ahead and plan to uh to hang out with me and chad and a whole host of other people in uh in beautiful san diego california we need some help uh because we're going to try to invade a resort so if you'd like to be part of that and help us invade that that's for a good cause um it's to have a party so so you should

definitely come and help us out uh yeah so go over to here we still stand.org you can see the speaker lineup it's going to be a big huge party a bunch of speakers it's going to be ridiculous uh two and a half days of uh man we're all going to be trapped in this one little place together man and uh and and we're gonna we're gonna tear it up so you can uh you can go over there see the lineup um everything you need to know is over at here we still stand.org but me and chad will be there along with basically everyone that you guys can think of that you would want to be there so check it out come celebrate the 500th anniversary of the reformation with us can't wait yeah bro wait it's gonna be good it's gonna be real good speaking of speaking of real

good the how how's the exodus shaping up exodus is exodus as we say in hebrew is tov ma'od very good we are we are poised on the brink of one of the best chapters in the bible i probably said that about chapter 12 but chapter 14 is pretty hard to beat too because this is the crossing of the red sea so uh anyway we're uh we're almost there we're like i don't know five verses from getting there so we're gonna pick up with those five verses and uh and march boldly toward the red sea and see what happens all right let's do it all right so we uh we almost finished chapter 13 last time of Exodus, but we didn't. So we are going to pick up at verse 17 and go from there to the end of the chapter, which is only another five verses. And then we'll, we'll jump to the whole Red Sea

story. So we start out with 13, 17 saying, now it came about when Pharaoh had let the people go. that's more literally when he had uh kind of divorced them or kicked them out it wasn't just letting them go uh when he when he let them go or kick them out that god this is interesting god did not lead them by the way of the land of the philistines even though it was close by oh why didn't he we have this very insightful comment that follows us it says because god said lest the people change their minds when they see war and they return to egypt i find that fascinating it's like this this insight into what god was thinking so he's he's he's brought the people out of slavery and it's like he has this inner inner monologue where he's thinking okay

Now, we got several options to get them from Egypt to where I want them to be. Now, you know, as the crow flies, the straightest way to get them to the Holy Land would be to let them go along the shore of the Mediterranean Sea and work their way up through the land of the Philistines to the Holy Land. I mean, that's that's basically the the straight shot that was it was called the the way of Horus by the Egyptians. This was the path or the kind of not really a path, but a road, I guess we would call it, through the the area beside the Mediterranean Sea that led that that led from the south to the north. And the Philistines live in that area. There were all sorts of garrisons, military garrisons built along there, little settlements with soldiers for protection, all that kind of stuff. So that was a straight shot. But God knew that if he sent the Israelites that way, it wasn't going to be good. It was going to be really bad, in fact, because they were going to encounter Egyptian soldiers and they were going to have conflicts.

And God knew, he says, if I send the people this way, they're going to see war. They're going to be involved in these military conflicts along that particular path, and they're going to go back to Egypt. So God realizes the weakness of his people. God takes that into consideration. It's like he takes into consideration the emotional instability of his people, the fact that they have been weakened by decades by centuries of of slavery and that they are they're sinners just like just like we all are so he's like he takes that all into account and says no no no we're not going to go that way i'm going to bring them by a different way now

this isn't his only motivation but this is one of the motivations i found that pretty fascinating not not as an insight so much into humanity because we all know people are that way but an insight into into the way that god deals with humanity i think we tend to think that god is one of those you know what i'm going to send them this way no matter what and it really doesn't matter what they encounter along the way that's just going to be the way it's going to be but no God takes into consideration the weakness of his people and our propensity to return to slavery, and he sends the Israelites by a different way.

So that's the way it starts out. Not going that way, we're going to a different way. So it says he leads the people around by the way of the wilderness to the Red Sea. we definitely find out throughout the Exodus and the rest of this book that God's plan is not always like

God's GPS is not always the same as ours he's not like you're on the fastest route you will arrive at this time he's like you're on the route that I have chosen and it might take a while

yeah Yeah, I've used this proverb many times. I don't know if I'll use it on the podcast or not, but it's one of my favorites. Portuguese proverb that says, God writes straight with crooked lines. So he's writing straight, but it's with crooked lines. So he leads his people where he wants them to be, but he leads them in a crooked sort of way. It's not the fastest route, like you said. And often it seems as if God is just completely lost.

Like he doesn't have any idea what he's doing. But he's not. He's taken the Israelites just like he takes us, just where he wants us to be. Only it's usually after we've been there that we realize why he was doing what he was doing. So they leave, and there's a little footnote here that I think is important. It says that they took the bones of Joseph with them. Moses, in particular, took the bones of Joseph with him. Because way back, if you've been with us all these many episodes, you'll remember that Joseph dies and they embalm him in the land of Egypt.

And he gave strict orders to the Israelites that when God visited them to bring them out of the land of Egypt, that they were to carry his bones with them. And in fact, that's what they do here. That's what they're going to continue to do. we have a couple of other references to this. They're going to carry the bones of Joseph with them out of Egypt for 40 years in the wilderness into the Holy Land and finally bury those bones of Joseph there. So Joseph finally gets home after centuries of being away. He left when he was 17 years old. So after centuries of being away, finally the bones of Joseph are brought brought home. These bones are kind of like the, I don't know what you'd want to call them,

something like kind of the icon of God's fidelity, if you will. These bones represent God's faithfulness to keep his promises and to bring his people out of not just slavery, but into the promised land. So they got Joseph Bones with them. They set out. We have some geographical markers that are given to us here. They leave Sukkot. They camp in Etham at the edge of the wilderness. And we have one more detail before we get to chapter 14, which is going to come up several times throughout the rest of the, really the rest of the Torah, but certainly the rest of the story of the Exodus. And that is that God journeyed with his people. God is never a standoff kind of God where, you know, he's way up in heaven looking down through his divine binoculars to see

how his people are doing. He's always right there with them. He's the kind of God who is Emmanuel. He's always God with us in different ways in the Old Testament, but he's always the near God, the God who's right there with his people. So he goes with the Israelites in a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night. Now, these are not two different pillars. It's just the same pillar that looks different at night than it does during the day. So it's like a cloud during the day leading the Israelites. And then at night, it's like this glowing mist, if you will, that gives off light for the Israelites. So they can travel by day and they can travel and they can travel by night. So this is like the clothing of God, if you will. This is the way that he

manifests himself to the people so that they can actually, they can't see God per se, but they can see God's mask. They can see that this cloud has enveloped him. So just as surely as they see that cloud, so surely do they see God himself traveling in their midst. So we're going to hear more about this in just a minute, but this cloud is going to journey with them. This cloud is going to go on the mountain of Sinai when they get there. It's going to go into the Holy of Holies once the tabernacle is built so this cloud is this cloud is significant uh as an indication of the presence of god and and to kind of to to make a big leap ahead here that's the reason that's the reason that on the mount of transfiguration if you remember that story that a cloud was there

and this cloud enveloped jesus on the mount of transfiguration and from that cloud the father spoke and said this is my beloved son listen to him well this was that that's a very old testament kind of thing to happen it was on the mount of transfiguration that was god's way of saying look i'm in the cloud my son's in the cloud just like he was in the cloud in the old testament so he's in the cloud now and of course this happens on a mountaintop which harkens back to sinai so all of the whole transfiguration stuff that's going on there has its roots way back here in in exodus and that's the end of chapter 13 yeah yeah man yeah a sense of a sense of accomplishment having finished five verses well we've been moving we've been moving at that godlike pace

the last couple of episodes so we're it's good it's good that we're back on our we're back on our timing now chad it's good that's right we'll see how long that lasts right okay uh so what happens next well we have a beginning of chapter 14 with some more uh more map type stuff telling us where they're at god speaks to moses and says here's what i want you to tell the israelites uh they are to turn back turn back i mean not no going forward turn back and camp at this place called p haherot nobody knows where that is but p haherot between migdal and the sea and you shall camp in front of Baal Zephon opposite by the sea. Now, the only thing you really need to remember here is that they turn back,

they're not going forward, and they're camping by the sea. And the reason this is important is because of what's about to happen next. He says, God goes on and says, because Pharaoh will say of the Israelites, ah, they're wandering aimlessly in the land and the wilderness has shut them in. so pharaoh's going to say to himself he must have you know uh not spies but lookouts they're they're keeping track of where the israelites are at and they're going to report back all these people they don't know what they're doing that they're running around like chickens with their

head cut off they don't they don't have any idea where they're at they're just like walking in circles wandering aimlessly in the wilderness they don't they don't have any idea where they're supposed to be going. It's going to be easy to either conquer them again or to kill them or whatever we want to do. That's the impression that God wants Pharaoh and his officers to have of the Israelites. So God is setting up Pharaoh by having the Israelites do this. because then he goes on to say this so i will harden pharaoh's heart we've seen that lots of times i will harden pharaoh's heart and he will chase after them and i will be honored that could be translated i will be glorified i will be honored glorified through pharaoh and all his

army and the egyptians will know that i am yahweh and they did so so that's how we got things kind of set up here at the beginning of chapter 14 god did not bring the israelites uh by a straight way he brought them uh toward the wilderness and they had him turned back and he has him now camped right on the shore of the red sea and he knows that pharaoh whose heart is already hardened and now god is going to strengthen that hardening god is going to like strengthen the sinful resolve a Pharaoh so that he's going to pursue the Israelites into the wilderness for one final showdown. And the result of this will be, at least here, the only explicit result of this will be that the Egyptians will know that he is Yahweh. That's insightful. It's not only for the sake of

the israelites that god is doing this it's also for the sake of the egyptians so what's about to happen is going to to send a message both directions to israel as well as to egypt that he is yahweh that he is the lord of of the whole earth and that he is going to act on on behalf of his people in decisive and saving and saving ways so that takes us through uh through verse four let's keep moving see what happens so uh the the king of egypt is informed that the people had had fled favorable has a change of heart toward the people and they said what is this we have done that we have let israel go from serving us so it's it's a after everything that happened with the death of the firstborn

uh the the israelites along i mean the the egyptians along with pharaoh realize that uh from their perspective they've messed up i mean this was this was a major economic loss for the egyptians because they relied on the israelites as slaves to do to do all the work i mean this This would be like losing a huge percentage of your economy just walking out of the country. So they have a change of heart, and so they decide that they're going to pursue them. So they get ready. Pharaoh, he gets his chariot ready. He takes his people with him.

They've got 600 select chariots and all the other chariots of Egypt with officers over all of them. God hardens the heart of Pharaoh. He chases after the sons of Israel. And it goes on to, it's like this is almost overdone because it keeps talking about how many chariots there are and how many horsemen they are. And they pursue them as they are camped beside the Red Sea. So this is the Bible's way of setting everything up to make it appear as if there's about to be a major destruction of his people. I mean, everything points toward this. The sons of Israel have placed themselves, really God has placed them,

but the sons of Israel have placed themselves in a spot that is a terrible choice militarily. they have nowhere to go it's like they they've marched into a box canyon like in the old westerns you know all the shootouts take place in this box canyon there's one way in and one way out if you go in there and all the enemies are behind you that you have nowhere to go well that's kind of the israelites they've boxed themselves in so they can't the the sea has them trapped they can't go that way the egyptian army is coming from from the opposite direction so they can't go back that way so there's there's nowhere they look that they can turn they're trapped and uh and everything everything that they can that they can that they can assume that

they can think about that they can observe seems to indicate that this is going to be uh a sure and certain destruction for them when you when you read about the way that the pharaoh pursues them you know yeah it seems like man that's a lot you're going after a bunch of people that like really aren't armed and i mean you're going after them but i i suppose you have to think that pharaoh if pharaoh's going after people that just um or at least one guy who just like brought all kinds of havoc on his land so I mean I don't know

you assume like well I don't know what a military force is going to do against the sort of things that Moses wrought on Egypt but I guess if you got the chariots and horses you bring them out you're like well I don't know how this is going to go but I guess I'll go

after him with everything I got because it was gnarly it was a mess in Egypt and I don't know what kind of junk this guy's gonna try to pull but i i might as well i might as well have everything i have yeah yeah yeah he's gonna hold he's gonna hold nothing back uh it's it's interesting too i just was just was thinking of this that uh this is really the first time that egypt has gone against israel in a military fashion you know it didn't happen throughout the course of the of the 10 plagues

of course this was that happened on egyptian soil this is outside the country so this is the first time that egypt is going to face israel as uh as one army against against another army yeah he's not he's not playing it safe here i mean he's he's uh he's going to give it all he has yeah and obviously the goal here is not like to bring them back into captivity he's actually going to go and exterminate them yeah this is uh i think this is a this is a revenge mission if it's anything This is to be a decimation of the Israelites, and especially of Moses, because of everything that happened. So what does happen? Well, first of all, there's a slight pause in the action here, at least the military action, because we have to hear the reaction of the Israelites.

And it's easy, for me anyway, to kind of pick on the Israelites. But I guarantee you that if I was one of them in this particular situation, I probably would have been the ringleader of all this complaining and murmuring and crying out that was taking place. And if you think of it from their perspective, they've gone through all of this long, long drawn out period of suffering where they waited for God. He finally did redeem them, and they think now that as they've entered into the wilderness that everything is going to be okay, and then everything seems to fall apart again. It's almost harder the second time, which is where they're at now. I mean, the first time they thought they were going to be destroyed, then they were saved. Now here comes the second time, and it's like, oh, again? So here's what they say.

They cry out to the Lord, but they're speaking to Moses. So it says they cried out to Yahweh, but they speak to Moses. And here's what they say to Moses. Is it because there were no graves in Egypt that you've taken us away to die in the wilderness? Why have you dealt with us in this way, bringing us out of Egypt? Isn't this what we spoke to you in Egypt? We said, leave us alone, that we may serve the Egyptians, because it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than to die in the wilderness. So this is a lot like the various complaints that we hear in some of the Psalms, the lament Psalms,

where the people complain about God seeming to abandon them, complaining about whatever sufferings that they are enduring. the fears that they experience, the persecutions, whatever it is they're going through. Except this is directed not so much to God as it is to his representative, to Moses. And the basic complaint is this, that slavery is better than the sure and certain death that we are about to experience. Of course, that's not what's going to happen then. But from their perspective, it's better to serve the Egyptians than to die in the wilderness. One, two, three, four, five times in these verses, Egypt, the name of Egypt comes up. So this is kind of the cry of the sinner wishing that he can return to slavery.

it's like when when when they've been in this prison for so long they can't imagine freedom freedom scares them or when they see what they think is going to be uh a destruction coming upon them and so they wish that they could return back to the land of slavery and this is the first of many many times that they're going to repeat this cry why leave egypt i mean it's a good reminder that freedom as much a gift as it is is also in some ways a cross for the sinner because the sinner always prefers life behind bars aid of the freedom that god that god gives yeah it yeah it tells us also that um redemption looks like death and that's that's just true that's a great point

yeah from the sinner's perspective redemption looks just like death oh yeah it looks like death from Jesus perspective too like I mean when you get delivered or if redemption is going to happen when God is going to deliver you I mean like there is this thing

where I mean the Israelites are being redeemed or delivered and they're crying out my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? I mean, that's what it feels like. It feels like that for Jesus when he's actually going to redeem the world.

It feels like that. And, of course, in their case, he hasn't. And in Jesus' case, he has in a spiritual sense there. But, yeah, I mean, I think it feels like that to us a lot of the time. I think when God does finally act, a lot of times in his action, we're like, why have you abandoned me? Which is kind of backwards, and that's just how God is. When he's actually moving and doing things, for some reason we feel very alone in that. it's funny

that while they're in Egypt they're crying out to God have you forgotten us? Have you forgotten your servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Have you abandoned us?

And then he delivers as soon as he delivers them they're like, have you abandoned us? It's almost like have you abandoned us? It's just like the cry of the Christian like in this world yeah yeah that's that's a great point it does it doesn't matter where we're at uh whether we're whether we're uh beginning the the christian life or we're almost the end of it that

really is the that really is the cry i mean it's sort of the lord have mercy cry right if we need mercy that means that we're in a situation where we're where we feel trapped where we feel abandoned and so we cry out for mercy yeah dude it's like that footprints in the sand poem that's like super cheesy that was on your grandmother's bathroom wall or whatever

and you know it's like I look back at my life and I see that in the hardest times there's only one set of footprints what happened and then God's like no I didn't leave you that's when I was carrying you which is like kind of nice and everything except for the fact that like when you actually look back

through your life there's only one set of footprints there was like never two and you were just getting carried the whole time like kicking and screaming and he's like and you were like cussing god out the whole time where you at where you at well i'm carrying you you're on my back right now right here yeah there's a uh you'll have to google this sometime there's a uh there's an alternate version of that called butt prints in the sand i can quote part of it uh if you're listening just at google it sometime butt prints in the sand it talks about how you know squirming and trying to get away from god and finally he drops him a couple times and there's butt prints in the sand drags him yeah picks him back up and

carries him again yeah so uh yeah that is that's the cry of the sinner uh and uh you know that i I love that. I don't agree with everything that Bonhoeffer wrote, but I do like that one line where he says, when Christ calls a man, he bids him come and die. Because that really is what happens. The calling of Christ is for us to die to ourselves. And that's what the Israelites are experiencing here.

So they cry out. Moses responds to the people. And here's what he says. Do not fear. uh it's a i think i read recently that that is the most numerically the most common uh command in in the scriptures do not fear do not be afraid yeah yeah that's actually true um or at least or at least versions of it um do not fear do not be afraid um there is nothing to fear like things like anything any any of those you can rearrange the the wording but old if you

take the old and the new testament it's it's kind of shocking um one thing about god that well nothing about god changes but but you see this god talking the same way in the old and the new testament uh jesus jesus says that a ton uh do not be afraid or there is nothing to fear or whatever it is but yeah he seems um god in both the old and new testament seems very interested in extinguishing fear yeah i i hadn't really ever thought about this but uh makes makes me wonder if that is uh if that is not our one of our you know our fundamental fundamental daily hourly problems is that we're afraid in one way or another i mean we're whatever we're afraid of Whether we're afraid of death, we're afraid of other people's disapproval, whether we're afraid of just the uncertainties of life, whatever it is, God steps up and says, look, it's all right, don't be afraid, I'm here.

Yeah, and that's always wrapped up in a divine, I got this. I mean, it isn't as though, God doesn't say like, hey, that's not scary. Oh, what, you got a couple hundred thousand dudes and chariots coming down on you? No big deal. Whatevs. Like, what are you afraid of? It's more like telling you that you don't have to fear that, that he's bigger and greater than whatever that is.

Actually, one of my favorite passages in the Bible, which I annoy my congregation, by the way, with this, because they say that I say that about every passage in the Bible. But anyway, one I like a lot, anyway, is, you know, this is Fear Not, Little Flock. It is the Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. There's something super gentle and reassuring about that. in the in the in the midst of life in a world that's violent and um and has plenty plenty to fear that's that's consistent with god that he isn't he isn't interested in you being afraid in fact he's very interested in you not being afraid on account of him yeah and it's the same

thing it's the same thing here with uh with the israelites i mean he doesn't just say don't be afraid he says uh here's here's what's going to happen here here's why uh you shouldn't be afraid because stand by just stand there and see the salvation of the lord which he will accomplish for you today he says because the egyptians whom you have seen today you will never see them again forever yeah in other words in other words god's not like uh do not be afraid you got this he's never he doesn't ever say that he's not hey there's nothing to be afraid of you got this instead god's like don't be afraid hold my beer and watch this more like that that's a good quote god says hold my beer hold my beer watch this you got to be afraid of that's that's the quote of

this of this this particular podcast at the red sea god says hold my beer just watch watch up watch what i'm about to happen it's a good summary too because moses goes on to say yahweh will fight for you while you keep silent i was uh i'm not a big fan of uh of the the paraphrase the message uh but i was looking i was writing something on this not very long ago and i I looked at his paraphrase of this, and it says something like, just shut up and watch while I save you. And that's a pretty good summary of what God is saying here. Just be silent.

You don't have to say anything. You don't have to do anything. Just watch what I'm about to do for you. Yeah. I like it when God tells me to shut my mouth and open my eyes. It's good. It's always the best. In connection with this, I was looking at Psalm 46.

That verse says, be still and know that I am God. And the Hebrew for be still has the connotation of like just letting your hands hang there, or putting them in your pocket, or sitting on them. And the message is basically, don't do anything. Don't do anything with your hands. Just be still. and know that i'm god and you're going to know that i'm god when i act on on your behalf so even though you're afraid there's there's really nothing that you're going to be able to do on

your own that's going to save you from this i'm going to take care of it because god is going to fight for you while you shut up and watch so that's that's the message that moses gives to them and then god speaks to moses it's kind of a a weird command here he starts out by saying why are you crying out to me tell the sons of israel to go forward it's weird because there's no record that moses was crying out to god um i think it's luther that uh comments on this that moses even though he must have been speaking to the israelites as if he was full of confidence in his own heart was crying out to god and saying i don't know what you're about to do but i hope you have something in mind because we're uh we're in a really bad spot here whatever it is god tells moses basically

i don't want you crying out to me either you be silent just like the israelites are silent and uh here here's the only thing i want you to say tell the sons of israel to move forward and then he says to lift up your staff we've encountered moses uh staff many times over the course of exodus it's what turned into a serpent it's what he struck the the nile river with it's what he struck the the the ground with this is this is god's staff god's shepherd's crook that he uses over and over to effect punishment on the enemies of his people and deliverance for his people so lift up your staff stretch it over the sea and divide it and the sons of israel shall go through the midst of the sea on dry ground so uh checking our time here to see how much uh we we

still have a few minutes left we can cover a little bit more so that that's the command that's given and uh god tells moses ahead of time what's going to happen he says i'm going to harden the heart of the egyptians so that they pursue you and i'll be honored through pharaoh and all his army his chariots and his horsemen and the egyptians will know that i am yahweh when i'm honored through pharaoh his chariots and his horsemen so that's the command that's given to moses we're gonna wait to see the effect of this in just a minute but there's going to be a a delay first of all what happens is that the uh the cloud that we heard about uh back in chapter 13 this pillar cloud is going to move from in front of the in front of the israelites to the back of the

israelites and it's going to it's going to be a uh like a a screen or a wall between the israelites and the egyptians because the you know the egyptians are the army is moving forward and so that they so that they can't attack the israelites god erects this wall or this barrier between the the two groups of people in this pillar in this pillar of cloud so it was there all night long so that neither could come near the other all night moses then stretches out his hand over the sea and god causes this east wind to blow all night long it's not like you know with a snap of his fingers he makes this happen the east wind blows all night and the sea opens in to dry land so that there's like this wall of water on their left

and a wall of water on their right. Now, what's happening here in many ways is we are being directed back, all the way back to Genesis chapter 1. You've got to read the crossing of the Red Sea from the perspective of creation. This is a great example of how creation and redemption are joined together so god the creator is god the redeemer and the way that god redeems is

through the stuff of creation so just like in genesis chapter one one of the one of the one of the verbs that occurs over and over is to divide so he divides this from that the heavens above from the heavens below the waters from dry ground there's all these divisions going on and we have now another division. There's a division of the Red Sea so that you have the water and you have the dry ground. So this is God acting as the creator in order to provide a passageway for his people to work their way through. And this is sort of a rebirth or a new creation for the Israelites. You can kind of picture the crossing of the Red Sea almost as a place of new birth for the Israelites. They are leaving behind the old, and they are coming into the new.

And that's the reason that the Red Sea has always, beginning already in the New Testament, been held up as the picture of what happens to us in baptism. We are born again in the water. Israel is born again in the water. They leave behind the old and they move into the new. And as they do, all of the bad stuff from before is drowned, just like all our sins are drowned, just like the Egyptians are drowned. So all of that is destroyed in the water. And what emerges is a people who are free, who are redeemed, who are cleansed by God and ready for the new life, new life ahead of them. yeah and we're gonna i'm sure we'll have more to say to that point but it'll have to it'll

have to wait until next week because uh there's there's lots to say about the the crossing of the red sea because uh there's there's some things gonna get destroyed in there too yeah yeah we've uh we've got uh uh we got maybe half more of the chapter to go so we'll uh so stay tuned for next time we'll we'll pick it up with the actual crossing all right well guys thank you so much for joining us hey uh rate and review this thing on itunes that helps us out gives us more visibility and uh and share it with your friends and social media if if you like this podcast all that stuff is it helps in fact that's the the best way to to help us out and we we appreciate all you guys uh downloading and listening and we will see you next week

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