40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Episode 97 (Exodus 28:30-43)

Episode Date: September 22, 2017

What's up with casting lots and other things like that? Why is the name of God placed on priest's foreheads? How do Chad and Daniel end up in the book of Revelation? Plus a bonus bunny trail about how Apostles are called. Have a listen!

welcome to another episode of 40 minutes in the old testament i'm daniel ernie price and i am joined by chad bird chad we are four weeks away from doing this thing live four weeks that's all that's it man four weeks wow time is rolling on i wish i could say i'm ready but i still have some preparation to do i do too i was actually i was actually starting to think about that as uh as i as i all as i'm talking up the conference getting people pumped i realized oh yeah i'm supposed to do some stuff at this thing i should yeah that's how i roll like wait till a couple early early bird devotions that uh that are so far unwritten but uh yeah you know i've got it's in my head it's in my head let's put it that way just gotta get it down on paper

that's the problem that's what they make plane rides for ah there you go that's right layovers yeah early mornings we'll be we'll be good to go by then yeah yeah yeah yeah don't let don't worry don't do what me and Chad do with preparing things to say at the conference don't do that in relation to you getting your tickets to the conference you should do that ahead of time

you have four weeks so you should definitely think about especially if you live out in California you gotta come it's insane if you don't come because everything you're going to get everyone's

going to be there we want to see you it's going to be the best time that you've ever had so uh yeah so you should come out it's uh it's here we still stand.org for all the details if you want to get 10 off that ticket price which is already insanely low you can type in four zero ot in the checkout box and you'll get 10 off uh we would definitely love to see you there so we're going to be doing one of these podcasts episode 100 live from the event so uh come be in the audience and hang out with us chad speaking of the old testament where are we at in it we left off in the middle of exodus 28 so uh that's where we'll pick up today we've been talking about uh clothing of all things the the fancy word is vestments the uh the fancy sacred clothing that the priest

wars so that's that's what we started uh talking about last time maybe a little ways into into the chapter but we need to pick it up from there and then uh we'll uh jump into chapter 29 after that which is all about so first of all we're talking about what the priest where that's basically all of chapter 28 and the chapter 29 is about uh the the consecration the ordination of aaron and his sons so that's what's coming up what's coming up next we introduced all of these various vestments if you listen to the last episode you realize there's a ton of stuff that aaron has to put on especially uh they start with uh you know these linen underwear these shorts that they wear but then they got a they got a robe they got a robe that goes over that they have this thing called

an ephod there's a breast piece on the ephod they have hats that they wear the high priest has a a headband that he wears so you got basically he's he's covered i would say from head to toe but as i put it out last time his his toes are not covered because he doesn't wear any shoes the priest always minister at the tabernacle barefoot because they're on sacred sacred ground so at least from ankle up they are covered in various articles of clothing which set them apart literally that sanctifies them and makes sure that everybody who sees them knows that these guys are the priest and that guy is the high priest the ephod which is like a like a vest the other stories in the old testament you'll hear about ephods and evidently there were lots

maybe this was kind of like a umbrella word for all different sorts of sacred type things because there's some evidence of ephods that actually stand upright almost like a statue of sorts this ephod is like a vest it's the best way i can describe it and when we stopped last time we were talking about how on the on the shoulder pieces of the vest there are two precious stones that have the names of six of the tribes in one stone and the other six tribes on the other stone so those on the shoulder piece and then on what's called the breast piece it's this square pouch like object that goes right over the heart uh that is uh that also has that has 12 precious stones on it one for each of the the 12 tribes of israel so when we wrapped up last time i was i was making

the point that the uh the beauty of this is that any time this one man this high priest stepped before god in the holy place to offer up prayers or on yom kippur the day of atonement when he went into the holy of holies to sprinkle the blood on the on the uh the ark of the covenant when he did that he it wasn't just aaron doing it or wasn't just eliezer whoever the high priest happened to be he was the embodiment of all of israel so wherever the high priest went to serve all of israel went with him and that was the purpose of the names of the israelites being carried over the heart and on the shoulders of the high priest and then of course i i uh related that to to the work of christ to our high priest who doesn't who doesn't wear any kind of jewelry

but instead he wears our own flesh and blood our humanity so god become man steps before the throne of the father with all of humanity in him so that where he is there we are and just as the father loves and accepts him he he loves and accepts us so that's the that's the fulfillment that's what that's what these uh precious stones that the high priest wore are pointing forward to it it's a great example of how this chapter is really all about christ uh it's about vestments yeah it's about sacred clothing but all of this is pointing beyond itself to its its completion in the work of of christ in the person of christ in his own in its own humanity that's what all of this in one way or another is is leading us toward is the priestly work of christ so anyway that's the uh

that's kind of a summary of where we were at last time and a little bit of recap there of what we talked about last now um there's one verse here that that's kind of interesting we'll talk about it for a second, and you may or may not have heard of this, but inside this breast piece that I've been talking about, the one that has the 12 stones on it, there's a couple of items placed. They're called the Urim and Tumim, or you might pronounce different ways, the Urim and Tumim, or something like that, but in Hebrew, it's the Urim and the Tumim, and it says that they shall be placed inside it's like a pouch so placed inside this pouch like breast piece and they're going to be over aaron's heart when he goes in before the lord

well what in the world are these uh well we're told about these in in a few different places in in the rest of the old testament nothing is really elaborated here it's almost like it's like they're just thrown out there like you already know about these like this is something that has already been in existence or at least something like this has already been in existence of the words themselves are i mean they're not translated right uh it's what we call transliteration where we just basically spell out the the hebrew word so the urim and thumim one of as all kinds of scholarly debates as to exactly what how you might translate these but uh i don't think most translations even even translate them they just put the two hebrew words there

best best way we can figure out is that these were some sort of maybe dice like objects and one one meant yes and one meant no basically and the way these were used was if there was a decision that needed to be made where the lord's will needed to be known and it was it was something where god had not actually made his will known now you know or maybe were they supposed to go to battle were they supposed to do this were they supposed to do that well they don't have any kind of biblical word that says yes do this or no don't do that so it's up in the air it's a decision that has to be made and they want to seek what the lord's will is what they're going to do is basically kind of put it as a as a a or b or a yes or no

kind of kind of question because that's that's two options and i don't know if they rolled these stones we really don't know if they reached in and grabbed one we we don't know how they did it but that's how the decision was made so basically this is a way in which you could figure out what god's will was i should back up this is the way especially leaders this wasn't just for anybody you know you couldn't go in and and uh you could farmers couldn't go in and say hey i can't decide if i'm going to plant wheat or barley this year could you pull out the urim and tell me this was like big decisions national decisions leaders decisions where these were consulted and uh this was then understood whatever if it was the orim or if it was the theme this was understood

to be God's will for whatever that particular decision was. So you can think of it as a very sacred way, a flip and a quarter, more or less, to decide which way to go. I think that's probably the way that Dan makes all his decisions at church. Isn't that right? Yeah, we just draw straws. Draw straws. That's how we do it. Every decision, that's how the apostles did it, you Yeah, right, yeah. I mean, it is similar to casting lots, and the last, at least to my knowledge, the last time that happened in the Bible was in Acts chapter 1. They had to find a replacement for Judas Iscariot, right? Yeah. so they put uh i mean they had some they didn't just say you know line up a whole bunch of people

and say which one they narrowed it down uh and then uh two people you know that met certain criteria and uh then they yeah they cast lots yeah that that that whole thing is weird to me like like i mean this that what you're talking about right now and and just the casting lots thing it it seems so um it's so odd arbitrary yeah i mean obviously you have like this like super uh strong dependency and belief in the sovereignty of god if you're if you're rolling like this which of course i do uh but it seems so um yeah just it's just i know it's strange it's strange yeah i was reading an article last week about this uh i think it was on the gospel coalition so i just googled it uh to see what would come up with this and uh anyway the author

said that he had been in a couple of churches where some kind of leadership decision was made. Maybe it was deacons or elders or something like that. And they made the decision actually by casting lots. Really? I've never... I wasn't aware that this was still a practice

in at least some churches. I'm actually of the opinion. I don't know if this is controversial or not. So maybe... We don't really deal with controversy. Maybe I should – I have some unpopular opinions that I know not to say.

This one I'm not sure if this is okay or not, but I guess I'll just go for it. Yeah, I am actually of the opinion that the apostles actually just got that totally wrong, that Paul was the replacement for Judas. and that and here's the thing that that christ chooses his own apostles and uh and that they sort of uh jumped the gun on that sucker and that paul was the guy and because you never hear from this other guy ever again yeah that's true you know he never comes up again like and i i don't know halfway through my acts all you hear about is paul after that right yeah yeah and and not not that it means that this guy was like not a good guy or wasn't a believer or anything i don't

think that i just i just don't think that's how god was going to do it and i also just think that that's so human of us to be like well let's figure this out we'll just uh draw some straws and cast some lots or whatever and we'll do it that way we can't have 11 apostles yeah it has to be 12 yeah i mean you got a bunch of jewish guys and i'm sure they get the correlation and they're like 12 tribes of israel like we gotta have 12 like that's how it's gonna go and i think that yeah there is there i mean that that is what is going on when jesus does that but it's also like like he's gonna do it you don't have to you know i mean if he wants 12 he'll make it and he does i mean like he goes and knocks paul off his horse and the apostles in my mind are chosen so

monergistically by god himself and christ is one that calls them all uh and you see that happen with Paul I mean and we know that this is not just God but like is Christ when he's like Paul why are you persecuting me right yeah so I'm like yeah I think that that's I don't think that we ended up with 12 and then 11 and then 13 I think it was 12 and then 11 and then God got his man and the apostles would have jumped the gun and made someone an apostle who technically uh I don't think really ever was now again I don't know if that's controversial or not but that's the this is the opinion i have the emails will will be we'll be pouring in and taking issue i don't even know if that's like i don't know if anyone else even had to me like that's just what i think

and i've kind of always thought that i might be the only person on earth with that opinion for all i know like i have no idea do you do you share that opinion chat or have you ever heard that opinion i have never actually heard that opinion to be to be honest no and nor have i actually really dwell upon it that much I figure all they're doing is basically following this kind of Old Testament precedent where hey they cast lots all the time

in the Old Testament so being good Jews they thought hey let's cast lots we'll be back at 12 that way but yeah I can roll either way with it I don't think any doctrine's at stake here

one thing is for sure that uh a the apostle certainly did jump the gun in many other situations uh they were not perfect uh decision making human beings and uh and secondly yeah christ did get his apostle uh if that was indeed jumping the gun and he got paul right yeah and it's paul that you hear about well basically for the whole rest of the of the new testament so the least the least of the apostles who has the most apostolic material in the New Testament. Right. Yeah, you're going to be looking high and low

for that Book of Matthias or whatever. Yeah, one of the lost epistles there. All right. So anyway, back to you, man. That was a total bunny trail there. But it is interesting. I mean, the lots thing is, yeah, you can't help but think of just like some old movie

where there's some lady being like, let's let's shake the let's put the bones in the cup and then like find out if we're going to go to war or not you know pull it out yeah well it certainly wasn't as as odd as many of the other uh ways of discerning what one should do in the ancient world i mean they they did everything from uh reading arrows like the flight of arrows to uh the flight of birds uh a main way of trying to divinize to you know to find out whatever god's will might be was through inspecting the livers or other organs of animals uh i mean there was all sorts of very very at least to us anyway very strange ways of trying to figure out what god wanted you to do so at least culturally speaking

in the broad perspective of the ancient world casting lots is pretty pretty tame yeah and at least this was i mean this was these were sacred they were like right over the heart of the high priest hidden inside his his sacred vestments and so this was at least the way that you could know for sure what god wanted you to do and in fact you know we have instances of uh of this being done in uh in two or three old testament texts where they were consulted nothing after david interestingly the last occasion this happens around the right of david nothing after that i'm sure they were still around but we're just don't we don't have any stories of where they were actually used and most of those plenty of most of those other things that you're talking

about like most of this stuff is not is nowhere commanded like if you want to know what i think check out a cow's liver like that like god doesn't a lot of this seems to be quite cultural uh when you're talking about that stuff not not as if god said well you know do you know do this and uh and you'll be able to to know what i think you know but uh but yeah but i think culturally then that there was there was a lot of that kind of stuff like trying to read the read the signs right yeah and i i suspect i don't have the evidence for this but i suspect sometimes that things like this were actually almost an accommodation to the situation that the israelites were in they had all these ancient peoples around them who had their own kind of

weird ways of of uh reading the signs and so god's like well you know what i'll give you a way to read the signs one that is that is secure that is sanctioned that actually has my stamp of approval on it, and that is the Urim and Thummim. So anyway, that's kind of an interesting little detail in these vestments. So going on with the rest of them, as the chapter progresses, the second part is this big robe that the high priest wears, and the real interesting part of it is at the very bottom of this robe on the on the hem of it you have uh interspersed uh these golden bells that are making their their bell noise while the high priest is moving around this jingling this

tinkling and then you have uh these little uh objects that look like pomegranates so this is the decorations on the bottom of the robe that that the high priest is wearing and it says here verse 35, it shall be on Aaron, this robe, when he ministers, and its tinkling, that is the bells, the tinkling of the bells on the bottom of the robe, may be heard when he enters and leaves the holy place before the Lord, that he may not die. So, evidently, when the high priest was about to enter into the holy place, the most holy place, his movements would tinkle these bells, but this was kind of like when you you don't just walk into the presence of the king you're always announced you know to stroll in there and have a conversation with the king you're announced so

the king knows you're coming his area of power and authority and the these jewish scholars relate this to the tinkling of the bells that this is kind of the way of announcing to the king of kings that the priest is about to enter into his enter into his presence maybe that's true maybe it's not We're really never told as to why these bells are on the bottom of the high priest's robe, but there they are. So moving next, we're going to go from the bottom to the top. We have a, I think this is fascinating. I mentioned this headband that the high priest is wearing. It's a plate of pure gold.

This isn't like a bandana. This is a plate of gold that has these straps on it that can be attached. And this golden plate goes directly over the forehead of the high priest. And it's not just a golden plate, but it has engraved on it, holy to Yahweh, holy to the Lord. And it's fastened there on Aaron's forehead. Now, what I find amazing about this is that this is picked up later on in the book of Revelation. Let me find those references now. What is in Revelation chapter 14, verse 1?

And there we read, I looked, this is Revelation 14, verse 1. I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads. so this is picking up this image of the high priest in the old testament being holy to the lord and having his name written on the forehead this is echoed in chapter 22 verse 4 which i have here this is describing the new jerusalem uh it says there shall no longer be any curse in front of god and the lamb shall be in it and his bondservants shall serve him they shall see his face and his name shall be on their foreheads now what's fascinating about this to me anyway is that the high priest is the one who had holy to yahweh on his forehead in the old testament

and so in revelation you have every single believer which is symbolically represented about this 144 000 every single believer elevated to this position of high priest because they have been united by baptism with that one who is the priest with christ so they are elevated to the position that the high priest held in the old testament remember only he could go into the most holy holy place and now every believer is invited into the most holy place because they're on the equal equal footing with the old testament high priest and just as he had this golden plate on his forehead with holy to yahweh on there so every believer has the name of yahweh on their forehead by virtue of their connection with with christ

yeah i mean this is uh yeah i mean when you when you think about holy to the lord or holy yahweh this is what redemption is is is that uh god gives you his holiness right and makes makes you holy to himself and so in the in the in baptism and in in the atonement you have the the this is sort of like all drawn out in the priesthood of all believers right that like all all believers are priests to god uh and all believers are holy to god set apart by god endowed with his holiness his righteousness uh sanctified by him uh this is what enables us to all walk into the the presence of god uh and there's this there's this cool thing that we you know at least lutherans talk this way um because of the language of baptism where we say baptism is where god

places his name on you right uh you're baptized in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit so you have the you have the divine trinitarian name uh placed on you in baptism and uh yeah that's where it never goes away you sort of like you have you have the name of god like bestowed on you uh and makes and makes you holy pretty rad yeah it is it is i i don't know why i can't get over the uh the imagery of this divine name i guess because the divine name in the old testament is is everything this is this is the divine revelation of who he is and so to imagine every believer having yahweh on their foreheads uh is uh is amazing is beautiful is uh is full of mystery it's all of that wrapped into into one because that is god's way of

claiming this person as their own claiming each of us as as his own and sanctifying us because there's nothing holier than the divine name that's why we are to treat it to sanctify it to treat it as holy because that name is a sacrosanct and to have it placed upon our foreheads is to sanctify us to fill us with the holiness that is that is god so this is this is his way of of claiming us his own permanently making us his own and sanctifying us by putting that sacred name into uh into the skin of our foreheads and it's so that it's there uh indelibly truly beautiful it's a beautiful sight you know one of the things that's that's also interesting about that is that uh this might have nothing to do with it but uh growing up in you know kind of uh broader

evangelicalism um when you think about uh what do you think about typically what does a typical christian think about if they think about um a name or uh or something being placed on the forehead of somebody uh where typically people's minds go is is like the mark of the beast or something right oh yeah right yeah you know uh like name a name on your forehead is it has a very negative it's a very bad thing and uh not so here you know like here you have uh the reverse of that i mean of course it says it talks about the mark of the beast and we're not going to get into that um but uh but but here you have god uh placing his name uh on your forehead um and this is i think well you know the forehead is an interesting place to put something because

you can't see it i mean if you if you have like uh if you have like a you know uh dirt on your forehead you don't know it right right like there's no you have someone has to tell you or you have to look in a mirror you can't even see it so it's not even so i think there is something about god placing his name on you and you can't see it but it's it's it's so but everyone else can you're the only one who can't see it uh but that that doesn't mean that it's not true it's actually super evident like to to the ones who are looking at it and so it is sometimes it feels like with with the holiness of god like i can't necessarily see it in my own on my own person like i don't i don't look that holy but it's placed in such a way that it's not it's not

obvious to me but it's also placed in the in the most obvious place it's placed it's placed to my head like at the very top of me but it's but it's obvious to the one who put it there the most obvious place you could possibly put it yeah yeah which is i think really the uh the significance of this this is this is all we have other language in the old testament about god uh seeing the rainbow and remembering his promise so the rainbow wasn't so much given to to noah and his descendants to remind them god says i'm putting the rainbow so that when i see it i will remember my promise uh so it's kind of like that with his name on our foreheads god sees it there and he remembers he uh and he acts in such a way that he continues to claim us uh as his own

so it's more for god to see and to affirm and to act on than it is for than it is for us yeah yeah so that's what the high priest had on his uh on his forehead every time he walked into walked into the tabernacle to do his service so that brings us pretty much to the end of this chapter uh the last few verses talk about what not the high priest but the regular priest were to where we we covered that briefly last time they had basically four different things that they wear uh three of which are are the same that the high priest wears one thing that's different is the kind of headwear a cap or something that they wear but everything else is pretty much uh pretty much the same on those those four items and that's the way the that's the way the chapter

ends so we'll get into uh get into the ordination chapter which is what 29 is is all about kind of walk you through this in the minutes we have remaining, and we'll talk more about it next time. This is actually repeated in Leviticus 8 and 9, not word for word, but what happens or what is going to happen is described here, and then what actually happens, the actual ordination service. So what we're going to do in 29 is kind of give us a preview of what exactly is going to is going to go down once it's time for Aaron and his sons to be to be ordained this is an elaborate very elaborate ceremony this actually takes this happens over the course of not a couple of hours not even a couple of days this is a seven day ceremony and we don't

know if it uh if it's spread out over seven days it looks as if everything that happens on one day is to be repeated the next day so it's like seven days they go through the same basic order of order of events uh so that this is a this is a lengthy and uh and costly ceremony that takes place in order to set aaron and his sons apart so uh you have a you have a sacrifice you have bread and and oil involved you have of course blood involved you have the vesting the priest all of this takes place so i'll run rapidly through everything just kind of summarizing everything that's going to that's going to take place so first of all they get together everything they're going to need for the ordination itself you're going to have a two rams and a bowl so those are the animal sacrifices

and then you have three types of unleavened bread so you got one one ram for one thing another ram for another thing a bull and then you've got your your bread so you get those together and then you get Aaron and his four sons Eleazar and Ithamar and the other guys get all of them together you pull everything and everybody together at the doorway of the tent of meeting and the first that takes place is that aaron and his sons get a bath now after this every time that they are to serve at the tabernacle they have to wash their hands and they want they wash their feet because they're stepping on sacred soil and they're handling sacred things but at this point they get washed with water they get they get a bath this is a cleansing that they go through uh at

the very beginning of the ceremony and then aaron gets all of this stuff put on him that we've been talking about in chapter 28 so all of these various vestments get placed upon him and then once they're on him then he gets anointed so this is in verse 7 it says after all these after all the vestments are on him then the anointing oil is poured on his head this is one of the instances in the Old Testament where you have a messianic kind of ceremony taking place. Messiah comes from the Hebrew word mashach, which means to anoint. So it's the same with Christ. Christ is the Greek form of that. If someone is christened, they are anointed. So if someone is mashach in the Old Testament, they are anointed. So the oil is poured on Aaron. This is how he is messiahed,

or this is how he is anointed. This is a way in which people were set apart and placed into specific offices that God had created. And usually priests were anointed. You have some prophets who are said to be anointed, and you have kings who are anointed. That's the kind of language we're used to hearing as Christians about Christ as the prophet, priest, and king. These are the three main offices where people are anointed or messiahed in the Old Testament. So Aaron is anointed, and then same thing happens to his sons. They get vested, they get anointed, and then as the ceremony goes on, the first thing you have, you have the sacrifice of a bull, and his blood's placed on the altar, part of it's burnt on the altar, part of it's burnt outside the camp. Then you have the

sacrifice of the first ram. That's a burnt offering, a whole burnt offering, which means that the whole animal is consumed on the altar. Then you have the sacrifice of the second ram, which is sometimes called the ram of the ordination, and its blood is placed on the altar. But one thing that's different about this ram is that part of his meat is given back to the priest so that they can consume it so they end up consuming the very price of their atonement so this takes place later in later in the ceremony don't get me started don't get me started on that yeah we'll come back to that for sure and then uh one odd thing that takes place in this ceremony is that when the second ram is sacrificed then part of the blood once it's been

once it's touched the altar and becomes sacred part of the blood is placed on the the earlobe of aaron and his sons and their thumb part of the blood is placed on the thumb and then part of the blood is placed on their on their big toe and this is one of those situations where we really wish that uh god or moses or someone would have spelled this out a little bit more for us as to why the best best uh explanation that i've heard is twofold first of all it's for purification we have one more instance in the old testament where blood is placed on those three parts of the body and it's for it's for purification but it also fits well with everything that the priest is to do because his ear has blood placed upon it to sanctify it as the receptacle for hearing god's

word. His hand has blood placed on it because he's handling holy things, and his toe has blood placed on it because he's going to be walking in on sacred ground, serving in the tabernacle. So this is the way in which those three parts of his body that are involved with hearing and acting on God's word are purified and sanctified. So then after all this takes place, then you have Aaron and his sons consuming the meat from the second sacrifice, and then everything happens again the next day, and then the next day, and then the next day, all through seven days. So that, in a really quick run-through, is what the whole worship service, if you will, the ordination service is all about. This is the way in which Aaron and his sons are, not just them, but actually

them and their descendants are placed into this office because what's going to happen hereafter is that only aaron's descendants male descendants that meet certain qualifications will serve as priest so it's not like today when you know you don't have to be any kind of pedigree in order to serve as a as a pastor but the old testament is different it was all genealogical you had to be of the tribe of levi and you had to be the family of aaron if you were to serve as a priest and the high priesthood the uh the most authoritative office was passed down from father to son usually to the first born son so this office of high priest then would be continued throughout the generations with a few discontinuities but pretty much passed down from

father to son throughout the throughout the generations so i i felt like it was kind of a rush through but it kind of gives you a the broad picture of what happens at the ordination service so this what we'll have to unpack that a little bit more a little bit more next time but uh the main thing the main point that i want to make about make about this is that aaron and his sons were set aside as priests but even this elaborate service in which they were set aside points to their imperfection points to the fact that something more was needed and this is what author of hebrews tells us that all of these old testament priests no matter how good no matter how holy no matter how god-fearing they were they were they were incomplete they were insufficient

because you did have to have sacrifices offered for them and they would eventually die they were sinners they uh they were in need of other another priest to come along and that's what we have in Christ, our high priest, who comes to fulfill the office that they imperfectly filled throughout the Old Testament. Yeah, it turns out that God just works through damaged goods because he doesn't have any other options. It's his only option. Yeah, he's got imperfect, sinful people.

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