40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Job 20:1-21:16 (Episode 404)

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

Zophar answers Job by repeating the same argument in different words. The theology of Job's friends is simplistic and can't do anything with suffering. Job responds by pointing to the obvious fact that wicked people don't always suffer... they prosper. Have a listen. Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube What's New from 1517: Bible in One Year with Chad Bird Freedom Lessons Album Your God is too Glorious, 2nd Edition by Chad Bird Schweitzer's Psychoanalysis of Jesus Christ: & Other Essays in Christian Psychotherapy by John Warwick Montgomery NWA Conference May 3rd-4th More from the hosts: Daniel Emery Price Chad Bird

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through yeah he's working with a uh he's his basic syllogism is this the wicked suffer job is suffering ergo job is wicked i mean that's that's it that's basically sums up zophar uh bill dad elva faz all these guys i mean even though they nuance it in different ways they're all basically saying the same sorts of things yeah they're just serving up the same argument with like different words right like well maybe if i say it this way you'll understand yeah it'll finally it'll finally get through that is yeah they're they're caught in their little uh theological box you know where there's a a direct correlation always a causation between a and b a causes b and they can't think outside of that uh which is which is sad and on a

number of different levels it's sad because of course it's false but it's also sad because it I mean, it makes them basically useless when it comes to provide any kind of comfort to people like Job. They can't think outside of this very kind of straight jacketed formula that they place themselves in. Yeah. Bill has been been pretty quiet for a while now. I was checking to see what chapter I knew had been a while, but it's been a few chapters back. Job 11 is the last time that he that he popped up there. and uh then he starts out back then he started out the chapter by accusing job of babbling and

mocking and spewing forth a multitude of words so i don't think his argument's going to improve much that's also when he said he had this memorable line that's like job 11 3 or 4 something like that god exacts of you less than your guilt deserves yeah yeah job is getting off easy yeah man you think your life is bad now it's nothing compared to what you really deserve i'm not exactly sure i'm not exactly sure how that works if i was my entire family and everything i own got destroyed and then i'm covered in boils sitting on top of a ash heap scraping my my bubbling body with broken pottery shards and they're like dude it could be worse i'm like how exactly explain that to me because if you're talking death actually that would not be worse

that would be much better praise for praise for death well his argument here in this chapter is here's the way i'd summarize it the appetite of the selfish wicked is insatiable and it's short-lived because eventually he's going to digest judgment and lose everything so it's just it's another uh wrinkle on the same old same old argument it starts out here so far the namethite answered and said therefore my thoughts answer me because of my haste within me i hear censor that insults me and out of my understanding a spirit answers me do you not know this from old since man was placed on earth that the exalting of the wicked is short and the joy of the godless but for a moment so he he starts out these first first couple of verses he's he's

upset you know he feels like uh job has censored him which would be would be accurate the hebrew that's used here usually means something like discipline or chastisement or even exhortation But here it carries this idea of Job has insulted him publicly, right? He censored him. I hear censor from you, Job, and it's insulting to me. And so he's going to school Job. Out of my understanding, a spirit answers me. I've got all these thoughts inside my head that I'm going to make sure that you hear.

And if you'll only listen this time, if you'll only listen this time, Job, You'll finally understand where you're wrong and where I'm right. And then he starts out verse four and five that I just read with basically stating his argument beforehand that, oh, this is old. This is just this is traditional wisdom, Job. Ever since man was on the earth, everybody knows this, that the exalting of the wicked. Oh, that's going to be short. And the joy of the godless, that's but for a moment. So that's, that's kind of his summary statement.

And then he's going to unpack that in these, these next few verses, he says, though his height, of course, he's talking here about the, the godless and the wicked, though his height mount up to the heavens and his head reached to the clouds, he will perish forever like his, like his own dung. Those who have seen him will say, where, where is he? So we, we got quite the contrast here. his height is mounting up to the heavens his head is reaching to the clouds and we do have those images elsewhere in scripture uh what's the one else thing oh isaiah 14 has a famous taunt against

the king of babylon who wants to you know set up his throne in the heavens but he's gonna be cast down to to show so i mean they're that it's a biblical image those who exalt themselves will be humbled right that's what he's kind of uh riffing off of here but of course you got to understand that this wicked and godless that he's talking about here is not just speaking generically but this is an application to job right and he's gonna it's gonna be basically he who exalts himself to the heavens will fall like you know dung into the earth or as we would say in our modern version will be flushed down the flush down the toilet it's weird too because we don't have any reason to believe that job has ever really exalted himself uh no indication of that

i mean joe was described as somebody who would seem like they would not be that kind of person that they didn't think too much of themselves right um that he was an exalted person but not that doesn't seem as though he uh was going around exalted yeah no and uh nothing uh so so you have to think that some of this is about like job you're still uh you're still thinking too much of yourself here this accusation must be more applied to job's arguments back and forth with them and he's saying your words are too lofty he's all poetic and stuff and then just drops this dung in there um which is kind of jarring right like you're gonna you're gonna rise up to the heavens and the clouds but you're gonna perish like poop yeah okay yeah memorable but not

extremely poetic uh so he's he's gonna switch from the uh the outhouse now to uh dream and vision language. Verse eight, he will fly away like a dream and not be found. He will be chased away like a vision of the night. The eye that saw him will see him no more, nor will this place anymore behold him. His children will seek the favor of the poor and his hands will give back his wealth. His bones are full of his youthful vigor, but it will lie down with him in the dust. so i mean that that language this this is uh so typical of so many of the the speeches of the friends they they borrow biblical language they will co-opt biblical metaphors but which is which is fine i mean we do that all the time of course preachers do that all the time there's nothing

wrong with using biblical image and using biblical metaphors adapting biblical biblical language when we want to teach or preach or write or whatever uh but uh it's the application where he goes astray and he's of course he's applying this to to job and it's it's not fitting so this flying away like a dream would be chased away like a vision of the night and verse nine is i know there's some psalms like that too where yeah you're you look you look for him and he can't be found you know this uh prideful godless person who's spread himself out made much of himself and then lo he is no more as the psalms will say so it's it's fine to say things like that but you better be careful who you're applying it to and you can't apply it to people like job and and here

he's speaking also not just of job but everybody like job right his his children are going to seek the favor of the poor in other words he's not going to leave anything for them they're going be impoverished and so now they're going to have to uh go out and beg for their food and verse 11 when he says his bones are full of his youthful vigor but it will lie down with him in the dust means that he's not going to reach old age so he's gonna he's gonna die this is not only the good die young this is kind of only the only the bad die young idea that you're going to be cut down while your bones are still full of youthful vigor because according to this theology there's no way that you can live to a ripe old age and remain rich and have all your children and have

your health and everything like that if you're godless and and wicked it just doesn't work that way in the in the theology of zophar no no wicked old people that's yes right right that's we all know that's true right yeah he so far hasn't like hung out in uh washington dc at all he doesn't know about corrupt old people no he uh he seemed these guys seem just so naively inexperienced about the way the world works it's like they're living in their little theological bubbles and have never experienced the way that real life works i mean these are kind of ivory tower thinkers it's like yeah do you know people it's like have you watched the news have you have you have you read anything have you just experienced life in general because it uh it's it's kind of a uh it's

just an unrealistic view of the way that life works it's a super simplistic theology is you're almost like had this little bit of knowledge about god and then you like created you you constructed this very simplistic theology which is just like god's good and he likes good things he blesses good people he doesn't like bad things he punishes wicked people it's very transactional and then you just ignore the world around you and just say this is what's true and i don't have to wrestle with the fact that that's not at all how reality plays out which is not which is not how you do theology i mean we still do this today where there's still i mean there's still entire sort of sections of theology that when when forced to deal with suffering you know have to explain it

away well it must be lack of faith if you're sick it's lack of faith if you're suffering it's lack of faith if you believed more then you wouldn't that's not dissimilar to this right which is like well your problem job is that you're just not you're not doing the right things obviously and that's not uh completely gone away no no i don't think so at all in fact i think it's the modern modern version of job's three friends kind of name it and claim it and if anything goes wrong in your life well we can tell you why it's because you don't have enough faith or you don't have enough this or you don't have enough that and so it all basically goes back to the individual sufferer as the as the cause of whatever whatever's gone wrong in his or her life i mean i think you

could make a pretty good argument and i don't think i'm the first to say this that the real test of any theology is how they address suffering yeah so if if you're if your church is unable to really deal with with suffering has no it has no real message to give to the the parents who just buried their two-year-old child or to the wife who loses her her husband on their honeymoon or whatever the suffering might be if you don't if you don't have some way to speak to someone who is caught in a debilitating illness then uh then your your whole theological system has some major holes in it because and it's unable to address most of what we deal with in life which is in one way another forms of suffering either major or or minor well it's well it betrays the

fact that if you don't have an answer for suffering i know immediately that what you do with the cross isn't what you're supposed to be doing with the cross right so like immediately once you if you don't have a message for the sufferer then i know that your message about the cross is inadequate yeah and you probably have not come to grips with the resurrection either yeah because you don't have any way to offer people hope yeah in short if you don't have a message that really addresses people who are suffering you know you need a whole lot more jesus in your in your theology yes yeah which is of course the you know i mean in in in different sorts of ways but still the problem of the three friends they don't have any kind of theology the cross this understanding of

who god is uh and so they're always going to go astray and what they have to say to job now there's definitely like uh you got there's i mean no i don't know if this work has been done maybe chad will do this work uh maybe this would be a book that he writes uh but uh job job's three friends as uh theologians of glory is uh certainly applicable yeah yeah they are uh they're the patron saints of theologians of glory that you could say yeah i mean they're they're only dealing with uh that which their eyes see and according to their rational uh syllogisms that i pointed out earlier then job is wicked that's the only way that they can deal with this so uh where we had verse 11 uh is what we just finished so verse 12 is when he he begins

his culinary arguments i guess you could say he talks a lot here about eating and in the mouth and digesting and and vomiting and swallowing and all this kind of stuff in the next few verses though evil is sweet in his mouth and again he's he's continuing this description of the godless man godless according to to his estimation though evil is sweet in his mouth though he hides it under his tongue i always get the picture here like he's got some hard candy or something he's he's uh sucking on it he's got it under his mouth uh so he's got that there though he is low to let it go and holds it in his mouth he's savoring this weakness yet his food is turned in his stomach it is the venom of cobras within him he swallows down riches and vomits them up

again god cast them out of his belly so he's going to continue in the next few verses but you're getting the idea here uh first of all you know the the the enjoyment is is short-lived so he's got this hard candy in his mouth we'll say this sweet evil in his mouth and he's rolling around with his tongue, and he's not wanting to let it go. He's wanting to keep it in there as long as possible. But when he swallows, when it goes into his stomach, then all of a sudden what was sweet

is turned into cobra venom. He's going to swallow it down, and then the next thing you know, he's going to be vomiting it up again, because God is going to cast it out of his belly. Then he continues, verse

16. He will suck the poison of the cobras, The tongue of a viper will kill him. He will not look upon the rivers, the streams flowing with honey and curds. He will give back the fruit of his toil and will not swallow it down. From the profit of his trading, he will get no enjoyment. For he has crushed and abandoned the poor. He has seized a house that he did not build.

Don't you feel like Job at this point, as like, this guy takes a breath? is like looking around i mean like who are you talking to what are you what are you even talking about like like yeah these wicked people are crushed and abandoned the poor seized the house that what like is there someone else here like what like what are you even talking about man yeah i do get that i do get that impression that job's reaction would be you know you just you're just spilling forth this multitude of words that have no application to anybody who's listening to you is there someone standing behind me yeah yeah the whole thing is i don't know if you'd call it a backhanded insult to joe but it's

certainly an insult to him because of course this is his whole point is that this is job job you're the one you had that sweet in your mouth now you're having to vomit it up because god turned it into the the poison of a viper once you once you swallowed it down and you're not going to get any enjoyment and here's what you've done you've crushed and abandoned the poor you seized a house that you did not you did not build and of course there's no evidence of that whatsoever this i think a lot of this this comes down to pure conjecture i mean we know these guys came from a distance not like they live next door to job so uh it makes you wonder how just how well did they know him are they just at this point conjecturing coming up with these wild fantasies

of the evils that job has committed they are unaware of but that you know according to their perspective obviously job must have done otherwise why would he be suffering the way that that he has so verse 20 he's gonna keep up with this uh belly imagery because he knew no contentment in his belly he will not let anything in which he delights escape him there was nothing left after he had eaten therefore his prosperity will not endure in the fullness of his sufficiency he will be in distress the hand of everyone in misery will come against him to fill his belly to the full god will send his burning anger against him and rain it upon him into his body that seems like direct right that seems pretty direct yeah you know see all those boils you feel like you got

like sulfur falling down on you from heaven job that feels like the wrath of god poured right into your body there yeah yeah yeah i think he's uh he's staring job down when he says when he says these words and now he's gonna he's gonna switch the metaphor a bit he's gonna talk about weaponry and uh how he's been pierced through so he will this verse 24 he will flee from an iron weapon and a bronze arrow will strike him through it is that's not enough he's got to like well he's got to draw the image here it is drawn forth and comes out of his body the glittering point comes out of his gallbladder terrors come upon him so this this idea of you you run away from one thing and you you run into something else like you flee one danger and you run smack dab

into another the danger that is that is very common one of my favorites is amos 519 where amos says it's as if a man fled from a lion and a bear met him or he went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall and a serpent bit him so there and you find the same thing in isaiah 24 jeremiah 48 so that it's again another biblical image where you you run away from one danger only to come face to face with another danger and that's what that's what does zophar saying here so he flees from an iron weapon you know maybe there's an axe or sword or whatever and then he turns around and a bronze arrow pierces him pierces him through and you know comes sticking out of his body pierces his gallbladder tears come upon him so uh there's no escape for people

like job is his is his main point you know with uh joe with the book of joe being poetry there's not a lot of poetry that features the gallbladder an arrow sticking out of your gallbladder is uh it's a that's that's a different like maybe your heart or something like that but uh the gallbladder uh as we said before this is a little bit different in the old testament like that's this is yeah this is a new one the new one for sure yeah uh he finishes this out i'll do this read the rest of the chapter 26 through 29 utter darkness is laid up for his treasures a fire not fan will devour him what is left in his tent will be consumed the heavens will reveal his iniquity and the earth will rise up against him so all creation is turned against

him the possessions of his house will be carried away dragged off in the day of god's wrath this is the wicked man so he's going to wrap it up with this verse this is the wicked man's portion from god the heritage decreed for him by god so man if you're godless like job obviously is then there's no hope for you and you notice he holds out no possibility of repentance in this chapter and i find it very interesting too that according to zophar you know all these terrible things that are happening the loss your possessions the loss your health loss of you know your children begging for bread all of that those are considered to be the worst things and there's really nothing said here about the worst thing being that you're cut off from god himself yeah

like he's kind of thinking very materialistically here these are all the terrible things are going to befall you uh and he's not even to mention the fact that oh yeah also being cut off from god is part of this he's focusing very much upon kind of the material the visible the tangible rather than what state you have in relationship to god yeah there's no uh and some of that was like earlier there was this sort of argument for them like hey reach out to god joe you know you gotta confess your sin like surely he'll i mean he'll surely will you know if you if you just tell him if you just admit it you know what's going on like surely he will help you uh it seems like a lot of that's been abandoned and now it's just like more they're just they're just saying well the problem

joe is that you're wicked i mean that's that's where it is uh because they their frustration levels have increased and so they're now at the point of just like keeping up accusations or if they've given up on him or what the deal is yeah i know this i mean we're about to see it but uh uh this is this gives that the the circle it can will continue because you you hear all this i mean and job's response is going to be like uh yeah except for the the wicked do prosper though so like what's the problem here dude is that theoretically that's all nice and sure uh But the problem is, is that take a look around. That's not how any of this is working.

Yeah. Yeah, he's going to point out over and over in this coming chapter that, as you say, that all sounds nice in theory. But do you actually observe what's happening in the world? You know, how many people actually live exactly contrary to the way that you have described? so yeah the again the ESV chapter heading the wicked do prosper in other words you could also title this chapter you're all wrong that's Job's response because he's gonna this is this is the chapter where I think more than any of the other chapters Job does directly quote and then refute his friends so this is a little bit different kind of chapter one of the commentators I read

Francis Anderson points out that this speech, so this is a quote from him, this speech is unusual for Job on several counts. It's the only one in which he confines his remarks to his friends and does not fall either into a soliloquy or a prayer. So in other words, this is where he's going to basically take a lot of the things that the friends have said, not just so far, but build out in Eliphaz too. And it's a little bit difficult at times because he doesn't always say something like you say and then give them a quote sometimes he's just alluding to something that they've said or even providing a summary statement of in general what they've said and then he goes on to refute it but kind of keep that in mind when you're going through this whole chapter this is

job's most explicit refutation of the claims that his friends have made so he starts out keep listening to my words and let this be your comfort bear with me and i will speak and love this after i have spoken mock on joe you gotta admire him i mean the dude's been through hell on earth and yet he's still got some rhetorical stamina here he's not afraid to give it right back to to the guys and you can't you can't see or hear this in translation but uh there's a switch between the the verbs that are used here because bear with me is in the plural so he's addressing all the friends so you guys we might translate it you guys bear with me and i will speak and after i've spoken now this next

verb is in the singular so presumably addressed directly to zophar after i've spoken zophar mock on so it makes sense that he's going to uh specifically allude to to him when he's given this when he's given this response in fact uh that verb in hebrew for mock is the one that zophar has used before back in chapter 11 verse 3 where he said to job should your babble silence men And when you mock, Shana wouldn't shame you. So this is Job kind of getting back at him. So give me a chance to talk, Job. And after that, you guys can just pick up with your mocking and you can continue on after I've finished.

Yeah, which is a, you know, to refer to what they're saying as mockery is an insult. because they think that they're giving you this great theological soliloquy. And they're just like, well, let me give you all of these poetic words and explain how the world works to you. And Job has dismissed it as mockery. Yeah, he's popped their bubble. I'm sure they're all pretty proud. They finished their speech, and they're sitting there

kind of in their self-satisfaction, saying to themselves, boy that sounded good i'm job's god to listen this time that was some real wisdom i was dropping right there wisdom i dropped on him yeah and then job comes back mockery that's all this is verse four as for me is my complaint against man why should i not then be impatient i'm assuming what he's saying here is listen i'm you guys i'm not talking here about a man-to-man complaint i'm talking here about issues between me and god so my impatience the way that i'm speaking should come as no surprise to anybody who would not be impatient in my in my situation look at me he says and be appalled and lay your hand over your mouth when i remember i am dismayed and shuddering

seizes my flesh why do the wicked live reach old age and grow mighty in power their offspring are established in their presence and their descendants before their eyes their houses are safe from fear and no rod of god is upon them their bull breeds without fail and their cow calves and does not miscarry they send out their little boys like a flock and their children dance they sing to the tambourine and the lyre and rejoice to the sound of the pipe they spend their days in prosperity and in peace they go down to show let's stop there for a second So keep in mind that he's talking here about the wicked. This would like if you took these words and you put them into the mouth of one of Job's three friends, then they would be describing the life of the righteous.

But Job is here describing the life of the unrighteous. So he starts out by basically saying, you guys did a lot better when you were silent. So look at me, be appalled, lay your hand over your mouth. In other words, rewind things to back to back at the beginning when you sat there in silence with me for a few days before you begin opening your mouth. And then he begins in verse seven. I read seven through, I think, 13. And this is him basically saying everything you just said about the life of the godless and the unrighteous is untrue because everybody knows I've experienced this. And everyone who's not naive has experienced this, that the wicked don't die.

They live. They reach old age. They grow mighty in power. Their offspring are established, so on and so on and so forth. So this is his way of presenting a more realistic version of how all life often works, undermining then the naive theology of his friends. When he says to look at me, you know, be appalled, put your hand over your mouth, it seems that he's saying that based on your theology and based on what you think you know, my situation should be shocking. Like, you should be speechless, right? Like, you should gasp, right?

but you should have nothing to say because my situation is obliterating like your entire theology uh and uh and now uh you're but instead you look at me and you spout this theology and it's wrong like because look at how the wicked live like you you should be trying to figure this out with me yeah yeah there there is no mystery left in life to them i mean that everything is so clearly black and white to to them and they will force that they will they will force their theology into any situation um even though an explanation is uh the force of theology in any situation even though the situation is speaks against it yeah just refuse to to deal with the the way that life often works yeah there's no

sense in which they like approach job and they're like okay we have to rethink everything like what do we do with this at all like even though like you totally should be in that situation you should be like what is happening here and then uh joe's gonna wrap this up this this section up with with more of this so after saying they spend their days of prosperity in a peace they go down to sheol he takes it up a notch he says in verse 14 they say to god depart from us we do not desire the knowledge of your ways what is the almighty that we should serve him and what profit do we get if we pray to him behold is not their prosperity in their hand the counsel of the wicked is far from me so the these these wicked have been described as as godless and as wicked

and yet they're they're prospering and now job is giving illustration of the way that they view god so it's not like these are atheists in the sense of modern philosophical atheists these are like practical atheists who basically don't deny the existence of god but basically want nothing to do with him so here's what they say to god leave us alone more or less we don't want to know your anyways we're not going to pray to you what what what good would we get from praying for you because after all this is verse 16 their prosperity is in their hand in other words they've already got it in their clutch they've got what they need they don't need anything else and then joe wraps it up by saying this is the way they speak but the counsel of the wicked is far from me in other words

i'm not i'm not gonna go down that road but this is the way that this is the road they go down this the way that they think and reason and you can kind of understand if things are going so well for them why would they want to change it by all of a sudden turning to god and praying to him yeah i mean he's saying he's saying that the wicked sound like this when they're talking about god that is not what i sound like right this is not what you've heard from me this is not how i'm now i might be saying god depart from me but for like an entirely different reason right right yeah give me the break is what joe was yes yes but i'm not sitting here not no i'm not i am praying uh i do want to know his ways i'm not i'm not this is not me so you're you are

take a listen to what the godless people sound like and you will find that that's not what i'm saying at all yeah so this is more the disconnect disconnect between lived experience in this world and then the way that things actually actually work according to the way that god is at work in the world and it's this reason you can't look around and do your theology based upon what you see happening you can't you know look at the life of the wicked and say they're prospering and build your theology off of that because in the end that's going to lead you astray uh any more than being like the three friends and seeing someone suffering and saying oh obviously you're wicked our theology has to be based upon the reveal reveal word of god it's

specifically how it's revealed in the in the work of christ and if that's not how our understanding of how god works is determined then we're always going to go astray because we're trying to build our theology based upon experience rather than upon what god has has revealed to us in christ that's right all right man well we are out of time so we will leave it right there we'll be back next week uh to hear the rest of what job has to say uh about hey you guys are wrong so we could do in fact prosper. He's got more to say on that topic, but we'll have to wait until next week. Chad, I will see you then. All right. See you then.