40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Job 4:1-5:27 (Episode 390)

Episode Date: November 9, 2023

Eliphaz responds to Job, and he has a lot to say. What has Job done to deserve this? Does Job reject the discipline of God? Has Job considered taking all this to God? These and other unhelpful words a...re spoken. Have a listen.  Show Notes: Support 1517 1517 Podcasts The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts 1517 on Youtube  What's New from 1517: Free 2023 Advent Resources 2024(May 3-4) NWA Tickets are Now Available! Join the 1517 Academy All Charges Dropped, Vol. 2 More from the hosts: Daniel Emery Price Chad Bird

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to another episode of 40 Minutes in the Old Testament. 40 Minutes in the Old Testament is a 1517 Podcast Network podcast. You can go to 1517.org slash podcast. Check out all the other podcasts that are living over there. And while you're over there, go to the events page. I hate to break it to you, but other than getting on a wait list, which I think you can do, the Here We Still Stand conference for next year, which is a full year away, really.
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Starting point is 00:01:25 the show notes, or you can go over to the events page and scroll down, find the regional event, come hang out with us there. But I recommend you do that rather quickly as well. Chad, we're back. We just got back from Here We Still Stand. So that was a lot of fun. Did record a live episode, which by the time you hear this episode, you will have listened to that. on Psalm 23. It was a good time, but it's always good to be home. Yeah, good to be back in my own bed,
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Starting point is 00:02:10 Yeah, man. And if you were wondering, like, oh man, what is that like? All those talks will be edited and released as videos in a couple weeks. All right. Well, we are in Job chapter 4. And we ended last time we were with Job
Starting point is 00:02:27 with Job finally saying some words. You know, he had some buddies come and sit around with him for a while. And seven days, man, a full week, nobody says nothing, you know? It's just silence. And then Job opens his mouth and lets it rip. and he starts talking about
Starting point is 00:02:45 curse would be the day that I was born and why do I got to be alive when there's so many people that are dying that would like to be alive and here I am alive and wanting to die and I can't and man, every single person that's ever died has it better than me
Starting point is 00:02:59 I mean, the thieves have it better than me the kings have it better than me the murderers have it better than me everyone, good or bad if they're dead, they're better off than I am and that's the sort of stuff he's uttering and today we get into one of his friends is going to have a a sort of response uh to what job has
Starting point is 00:03:20 said yeah i love his opening remark too it's a question he's like you can understand job has just said all of these uh pretty uh uh pretty heart-wrenching words and so the the opening comment from eliphaz is so if one ventures a word with you will you be impatient he's like uh i guess i'm the first one who's going to kind of step out here and talk to you joe just want to know what kind of reception i'm going to get here are you going to you know are you going to let me speak and then come right back at me uh what kind of what kind of conversation are we going to have here uh between me and and you so it's it's a two-chapter response uh of course that's just kind of artificial uh dividing a mark between these these two
Starting point is 00:04:11 this whole speech but yeah they got to divide it up somehow so we have chapter four and five is uh eliphaz the uh what'd you call him before we started recording the term yeah he's gonna gonna gonna eat through the uh the foundation of a job's house here so he's the Timonite, which is probably a reference to somewhere in the region of Edom, so south of Israel, south of the Dead Sea. But anyway, that's his name, Eliphaz Timonite. We've already been introduced to him, as well as the other two so-called friends. So this is the opening response, if you can call it a response. I mean, I think I mentioned in the last episode, don't think of these as like a courtroom drama, where, okay, the prosecution stands up and the defense stands up
Starting point is 00:04:59 responds to that and the prosecution responds to the defense this is not your typical debate where each each person responds to the other person uh don't don't be looking for anything like that i mean there is there is some kind of back and forth you can tell one is in some way reacting to what has been said before but it's not a kind of a tit-for-tat kind of response they think of this is just basically these guys standing up and delivering speeches uh on what they're thinking about you know everything that's been said as well as everything that's been going on and they're trying to make their their rhetorical points when they give these speeches so um yeah it starts out here with a couple of questions and we don't know keep this in mind too this is always a challenge
Starting point is 00:05:47 for interpretation and for biblical reading in general you can't hear this being said so uh is this said gently is this said forcefully uh in a few minutes uh you know we'll come across a verse and you don't know is this said kind of mockingly sarcastically angrily forcefully or hesitantly you never know in other words what tone of voice to use when you're reading some of this so that's a even the even the way we read the tone we use when we read some of this is interpretation so anyway i'll joint jump in and i guess i'll read the first uh six verses then eliphaz the team and i answered and said if one ventures a word with you will you be impatient yet who can keep from speaking behold you of course he's talking here to job behold you have
Starting point is 00:06:45 instructed many and you have strengthened the weak hands your words have upheld him who was stumbling and you have made firm the feeble knees he's doing pretty good so far you know it's kind of compliment very complimentary of joe now we have a little transition verse five but there's always a but but now it has come to you and you are impatient it touches you and you are dismayed is not your fear of god your confidence and the integrity of your ways your hope so i mean he starts out uh in my opinion good of course they were silent seven days and seven nights and that was even more rhetorically beautiful than anything they're going to say their silence was was good they were just sitting with sitting with job suffering with
Starting point is 00:07:37 him, uh, compassionate, silent suffering. So now he says, who can keep from speaking? In other words, Hey, uh, we've been silent a long time. You've just let out this whole string of complaints and curses and whatnot. So I got to say something here. And he starts out complimentary. And that's one thing I want to try and do with these three friends is, you know, when they say something good that's great point that out when they said something true well good point that out too but what we're going to see here and we're already going to pick up on this i mean really fast in his speech is there sometimes when they say something that is true in fact that that might even be biblical like you can find a parallel to it elsewhere in the bible we're
Starting point is 00:08:25 going to see a lot of examples of that in these first couple of chapters from from eliphaz but they're wrong in applying it to Job's situation. So you can take something true from the Bible and apply it to a person, and depending on that person's situation, it might be a true application or a false application of those words. Yeah, I mean, he starts by saying,
Starting point is 00:08:51 hey, you've instructed a lot of people, and you've strengthened many weak hands. You've upheld people when they were stumbling. You've made firm people knees. This all sounds like, to me, that he's saying, you've seen people suffer, and you've been there for them. You've seen people go through difficult things, and you've helped them. You've given them sound words, whatever it is. You've lifted them up.
Starting point is 00:09:20 So you should know that this sort of thing happens, but it seems that it has come to you, and now you're impatient. He's touched you and you're dismayed, right? So that's how it reads to me anyway. Yeah, I think that's right. In Job 29, when Job speaks autobiographically, he says basically the same thing. He says, just selected verses here. He says, I delivered the poor who cried for help and the fatherless who had none to help. The blessing of him who was about to perish came upon me and I caused the widow's heart to sing for joy.
Starting point is 00:09:56 so he's talking you know about the things he used to do in the past that of course he's not able to do now because he's sitting on an ash heap with oozing sores all over his body but um yeah this is what he used to do and now it's like hey you help people who were in trouble now troubles come upon you and uh this is this is your response you know you're impatient it touches you and you are you're dismayed then he has this line in verse six is not your fear of god your confidence in the integrity of your ways your hope we've heard i think three times already in chapter one that uh job feared god you had this characteristic piety uh fear in this holistic sort of way you you fear you trust you worship all this kind of stuff so shouldn't that be your confidence and
Starting point is 00:10:45 we've also heard about the integrity of job's ways you know shouldn't that be shouldn't that be your your hope um so that's kind of how he sets up this whole argumentation by the way i i would i would like to point out that uh perhaps the fear of god is your confidence um maybe that's not so bad the integrity of your ways being your hope is probably not a good idea pretty uh thin ice there that's i don't know like hey joe isn't the way you've lived are you not placing hope in that like god's gonna save you look at how you lived uh don't don't love that theologically yeah and even this opening this the the the first line of verse six if we would just take out fear of it'd be fine it's not god your confidence yeah i mean that really does kind of fit with
Starting point is 00:11:39 these guys too they're they're taking a very me-centered uh person-centered approach throughout this this out of dialogue so they're they're turning the sinner back to himself the sufferer back to himself so uh i've set all this up verse seven now remember who that was innocent ever perished or where were the upright cut off as i have seen those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same by the breath of god they perish and by the blast of his anger they are consumed the roar of the lion the voice of the fierce lion the teeth of the young lions are broken the strong lion perishes for lack of prey and the cubs of the lioness are scattered you know by the way five different hebrew words for lion in those two verses
Starting point is 00:12:31 get the feeling there were a lot of lions in this part of the world i mean if you've got five names for lions you're probably dealing with uh lions on a pretty pretty regular basis uh so he starts out remember you know did anybody who was innocent ever perish you know were the upright cut off well i can think of an example i can think of an example of someone who's innocent the parish uh i i don't know for sure where he's going here because he's setting all this up but i think what he seems to be communicating so far is he hasn't really addressed job like face-to-face yet but he seems to be saying listen uh or at least leading up to this argument yeah if trouble shows up in your life there's probably a reason and that reason
Starting point is 00:13:23 is probably because you've been selling some stuff you shouldn't so yeah and now you're now you're reaping it uh now this is this is what i a great example of what i was talking about earlier where you can take something true in fact we i mean we have this kind of stuff that uh is elsewhere in the scriptures you know you reap what you sow is that not biblical right yeah sure biblical well you don't even need the bible i mean we see that in our lives we see that all over the place you know uh you keep going down that road you know where it's going to lead you know you do this that is probably going to happen it's not going to be pleasant but the the error they make is just in applying this to job's case where it really doesn't fit
Starting point is 00:14:09 yeah i mean and you have like this uh i mean yeah now you just be talking practically here of course if you're going to say remember who that was innocent ever perished you're like okay true enough uh i guess if you were perfect or innocent maybe maybe you wouldn't perish i mean And, of course, Jesus was, and he perished. But, yeah, sure. But the problem is that there aren't any innocent people, and everyone does perish. So I don't know what we're doing here. So, well, go find me someone innocent, and maybe we can monitor him and see what happens to him.
Starting point is 00:14:49 But this is not what we're dealing with here. And so, I mean, obviously, you know, before God, no one is good. No, not one. Nobody's that qualifies. And you could do that here, but that's not really what he's getting at. Like, you're 1,000% innocent, you've never done anything wrong. What is happening here is exactly what you're saying, which is, hey man, things don't happen for no reason. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:19 I mean, and that's the main issue. That's the main theological problem these guys are going to have, is they're working with a very black and white view of suffering. where if you're suffering whatever you know as terrible the suffering as job is enduring or something more minor in your life well then you can if you if you know yourself well enough and if you're honest with yourself you're going to be able to draw a line from your suffering to what you've done that caused it and this isn't just a kind of a job's friends issue we see that in the gospel of john you know who sinned the blind guy who sinned this man or his parents because it can't be you know that he just was blind you know we gotta find out who's in blame
Starting point is 00:16:06 for this you know who who exactly sinned that resulted in this this guy being blind because you know there's got to be some like specific wrongdoing that is behind what this person is is suffering that very pharisaical view of a of a black and white cause then leads to suffering universe yeah job's friends would have made pretty good pharisees oh yeah yeah definitely so yeah i mean this this and this unfortunately this kind of mentality is not just a like historical viewpoint i mean this the way people still think today you know you know somebody somebody sees something terrible happening to somebody else, they're like, man, I don't really want to say this,
Starting point is 00:16:56 but there's got to be something happening there. There's got to be some reason behind why this guy is suffering what he is. So he said all this. Now he's going to get all mystical on us in 12 and following. He's going to talk about this kind of a creepy section, like this, how would you describe it? like this dream, vision, divine visitation that he had. So here's how he sets it up.
Starting point is 00:17:27 Now a word was brought to me stealthily. My ear received the whisper of it. Amid thoughts from the visions of the night, when deep sleep falls on men. By the way, that deep sleep word, same word used in Genesis 2 to describe the deep sleep that God put Adam into. so these deep sleep falls on men dread came upon me and trembling which made all my bones shake
Starting point is 00:17:54 a spirit that word spirit can either uh it's ruach so it can be like wind breath spirit so not exactly sure how to translate that but a ruach blighted past my face the hair of my flesh stood up it stood still but i could not discern its appearance a form was before my eyes there was silence and then i heard a voice now so all this kind of creepy stuff his hair is standing on end and he's you know it's the middle of the night and there's like something beside him now all that is leading up to something which i consider to be very anticlimactic because you're He's like, man, this is going to be some light. He's going to drop a truth here that's going to be something nobody's ever heard before.
Starting point is 00:18:47 And here's what Eliphaz says he hears. Can mortal man be in the right before God? Can a man be pure before his maker? So that's ESV. It could also be translated, this is King James. I prefer this one. Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker well that's no i mean it just like seems like
Starting point is 00:19:18 really you set up this whole kind of creepy vision in the night and that's the truth that you're going to say it was communicated to you shall mortal man be more just than god shall a man be more pure than his maker well no i mean doesn't everybody know that you can't be more just or more pure than God. You don't need some sort of nocturnal ghost-like epiphany to reveal the truth
Starting point is 00:19:45 like this to you. But that's what he says. What you'd expect to happen here is he's like, alright, there was this stealthy whisper and it came in the middle of the night and all this kind of stuff, and you're like, okay. Behold the vision.
Starting point is 00:20:01 You're like, alright, man. And what you'd expect is like, and I saw Satan appear before God and ask if he may tempt you. You're almost like, oh man, this dude's setting it up. He's going to tell him exactly how this thing went down. It was
Starting point is 00:20:17 creepy, dude. I saw the devil himself and God arguing over whether or not you were as pious as you seem to be. But no, it's just look, man, what do you think? What do you think? You're more righteous
Starting point is 00:20:33 than God or something? Okay It's such a weird Such a weird scene And you don't know So that little line there About being more pure Or more just
Starting point is 00:20:47 That's verse 17 And you don't know Was that the extent of this supposed revelation Or Are the verses that follow it Part of what he was told Supposedly told Or are the verses that follow it
Starting point is 00:21:04 or an application on the part of Eliphaz as to what he supposedly heard. We're not told. But anyway, that's the opening line after he sets up this whole scene. He continues in verse 18. Even in his servants, so his being God, even in God's servants, he puts no trust. And his angels, he charges with something. Now, ESV has charges with error.
Starting point is 00:21:30 We don't know what this Hebrew word means, though. can be error could be folly could be blame could be something else we just honestly we don't nobody knows what the word means because it only occurs here and you have to guess what it means but that's one translation error folly blame so even into servants puts no trust and his angels he charges with something error blame he's kind of setting up a contrast here and the contrast goes on to say how much more so if he's even dealing in this way with his you know celestial creatures how much more those who dwell in houses of clay whose foundation is in the dust who are crushed like the moth between morning and evening they are beaten to pieces they perish forever without
Starting point is 00:22:14 anyone regarding it is not their tent cord plucked up within them did they not die and that without wisdom i have a negative view of life uh but that's what he's setting up here i think he's trying to get across to job listen uh nobody's more just or holy than god nobody's more pure than god i mean and look at this you know even his celestial creatures he's not like putting his trust in them and he's he's charging them with error if we want to go with that translation so if that's the way he deals with these highest and and most celestial creatures then how's he going to deal with people who are as as eliphaz says here dwell in houses of clay and whose foundation is in the dust so us in other words us dust creatures who have these bodies of clay
Starting point is 00:23:07 beaten to pieces every morning and evening and you know it's like that we have this cord within us like a tent cord like you you you pull it out and everything collapses it's kind of the image of our of our bodies so he's accenting the fragility of human nature the lotus of human nature and that because of who we are, you know, it almost seems like the message is because of who we are, we have no standing before God. It almost belittles. This isn't low anthropology.
Starting point is 00:23:38 This is kind of like belittling humanity, in a sense, the way it kind of comes across to me. Well, there's this line between having a low anthropology, which you should have, which just means that you don't think more of man than you ought, particularly of yourself than you ought that you would know that you're a sinner that you're not God
Starting point is 00:23:57 first and foremost that is the thing you need to know you are not God that there is one and it's not you however this can obviously go in a weird way where you start to forget
Starting point is 00:24:09 that you're created in the image of God and that God when he created man said that it was very good now it's not what it once was But it is still something that God reckons as valuable. So the thing that's interesting about this is that he asks this question, look, how much more men who dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is death, who cross right to moth,
Starting point is 00:24:44 between morning and evening, they're beaten to pieces, they perish forever without anyone regarding it. not true what is god if he's not like putting trust and you know in his angels i mean he's obviously just like not concerned with us at all i mean he doesn't he doesn't reckon us at all in fact we perish and no one cares and uh the truth is of course i know god has like a costly plan to go and redeem all these people who dwell in houses of clay and whose foundation is in the dust and this kind of thing. So it's weird. Sometimes you can sort of, you can speak words that make it seem like you have a very high opinion of God without speaking words that show
Starting point is 00:25:31 that you have any understanding of what God is actually like, right? So just sort of having a God that's perfect and big and powerful out there somewhere is not understanding God. You could have as high a view of him as you want but maybe maybe it's even way too far off yeah what this guy needs is a heavy dose of psalm 8 you know which which actually does a good job of balancing this you know when i consider the heavens psalm 8 says when i consider the heavens the work of your fingers the moon and the stars which you have made what is man that you are mindful of him the son of man that you care for him okay that sort of sounds like maybe he's going down the eliphaz theological road but then he says yet yet you have made him uh higher than you but you have
Starting point is 00:26:19 well what's the word i'm looking for that you have made him for a little while lower than the angels and then crown him with glory and majesty so there you have the full picture yeah i mean you've there's a there's a humility that we have before god and it also an acknowledgement that who we are are those created in his image and likeness who are made to be kings and queens and all of this of course finds its fulfillment in christ who even says you know not a hair of your head uh he you know not a not if if he sees even you know the birds sparrows that fall to the earth then certainly he's going to see you you know he knows the hairs of your head everything every single thing about you he knows and because of that your view of god has to be balanced between kind of
Starting point is 00:27:08 this you know this great sovereign god but also this sovereign great god who loves you and knows every single thing about you and cares about you and you don't have that in what eliphaz says here yeah i mean the truth is is that when he says like all right there's god then there's the angels and you know the angels are so much better and greater than us uh and then there's you know us so like we're way low it's also just not true in the in the hierarchy of creation uh mankind is at the very top of the hierarchy of creation we're above the angels angels weren't created in the image of god uh god does not send his son to go die so he can redeem a bunch of fallen angels like this none of this stuff happens and so uh actually god does esteem man higher than the angels
Starting point is 00:28:02 they're ministering spirits and to serve those who will inherit salvation yeah yeah okay so uh we'll keep going that was the end of chapter four but uh we'll just jump right in chapter five call now is there anyone who will answer you and this guy is depressing is there anyone who will answer you uh implication no to which of the holy ones will you turn here he seems to be talking about maybe you know uh angelic mediaries uh uh you know mediators you know can you turn to one of them you can can you go to an angel and say hey will you be my mediator between between me and god you know you can turn to one of those again with the implication being no surely vexation kills the fool jealously slaves the simple i've seen
Starting point is 00:28:55 the fool taking root but suddenly i cursed his dwelling his children are far from safety they are crushed in the gate there's no one to deliver them the hungry eat his harvest he takes it even out of thorns and the thirsty man and the thirsty pant after his wealth for affliction does not come from the dust nor does trouble sprout from the ground but man is born to trouble as the sparks lie upward now this is this is one more of these elements of what he has to say which can sound biblical but you have to take it in its overall context because i mean some of the things he says here you can you can see in some of the psalms for instance so in verse three he says i have seen the fool-taking root, and suddenly I cursed his dwelling, and then all these bad things started
Starting point is 00:29:45 happening. Well, in Psalm 37, you have this, I've seen a wicked, ruthless man spreading himself like a green tree, but he passed away, and behold, he was no more. Though I sought him, he could not be found. So it's the idea that, yeah, you know, you can ask someone who apparently, who seemed to be doing really well, and then all of a sudden his life falls apart because he has not made God his refuge his foundation his his fortress and as a result that all these bad things start to happen which is what he's describing here but you got to look at this in its context he's talking to job and basically the implication of this is hey uh you know you were you were firmly established or at least you seem to be and now your life is in shambles well there's probably a reason for this
Starting point is 00:30:29 and the reason always goes back to the supposed sin that job has committed yeah i mean even in In verse 6, you know, it says, For affliction does not come from the dust, nor does trouble sprout from the ground. The implication is that it comes from somewhere. Yeah, it's got to come from somewhere. It's got to come from your heart, Job. That's the reason you're going through all of this. Bill, I didn't know this until this morning when I was looking at this in the Hebrew.
Starting point is 00:30:57 That's a pretty famous verse, verse 7. Man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward. so uh in the hebrew it is literally the sparks is uh sons of reshef so and reshef is uh was like a uh a fairly popular uh deity and a lot of a lot of different cultures of the ancient areas so this somehow we end up with this figure of speech he's god of the underworld too uh in pestilence so sons of reshep which is translated almost universally now as sparks is sort of a it's a word picture it's like these fiery things coming up from this uh creature connected with mythology this it's a great example of how you can take elements of mythology from the culture
Starting point is 00:31:48 and all of a sudden they just become figures of speech i think that's nothing more than what's going on here with job um and this is you know it's true on the face of things man is born to trouble does the sparks fly upward well yeah this is true i mean we've all experienced that but he's applying it to job in that case he's applying it applying it wrongly but he's got advice he's got advice uh verse eight he's going to tell us what he would do um i always love that people especially when you're suffering greatly hey i've got an idea here's what you should do this is what i would do have you thought about this have you thought about doing this maybe yeah you know i i'm just saying that you know if i lost uh all my possessions and all my kids were
Starting point is 00:32:31 killed in the same day and my wife told me to curse god and die and i had boils from head to toe and scraping and i'm sitting on an ash sheep i mean if i were in that situation as for me here's what i would suggest doing well i just like that it's this too it starts with this i mean imagine you're going through all this so like you're a person of faith you got your friends you all believe in the same god so you have all this stuff going on it's like hey um have you thought about talking to god about it i mean what no i never crossed my mind that's what he says as for me it's pretty strong in hebrew it's pretty strong adversative too like like but as for me here's what i would do i'd seek god oh oh yeah don't know why that never crossed my mind before i would seek
Starting point is 00:33:20 god and to god would i commit my cause he i mean he does great things he's unsearchable and then he goes into this whole wisdom kind of uh wisdom poem i guess is what you could say i'll read to it quickly who does great things and unsearchable marvelous things without number he gives rain on the earth he sends waters on the field he sets on high those who are lowly and those who mourn are lifted to safety he frustrates the devices of the crafty so that their hands achieve no success he catches the wise in their own craftiness in the scheme of the wily schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end they meet with darkness in the daytime and grope at noonday as in the night but he saves the needy from the sword of their mouth and from the hand of the mighty so the
Starting point is 00:34:06 poor have hope and injustice shuts her mouth i'm sure joe was like listening to this me like okay i mean that's a that's a very nice little wisdom poem that you have uh that you've spewed forth but it really is meaningless in this context yeah i mean it's weird because like this is all nice i mean that this this reads like a psalm i mean you could you could hear david saying something like this uh you know i'm gonna i'm going to seek god and commit my cause to him who does great and unsearchable marvelous things without number and then going through and starts going through all the things he does and how, you know, he thwarts enemies' plans and stuff. And that's all great and true, for sure.
Starting point is 00:34:50 And maybe even would be comforting if you read this, if this was a psalm and you were going through something and the psalmist was telling you, hey, seek God and commit your cause to him. This is what he's like. Okay. The problem is that this is buried in the middle of a speech that also is like, well, I mean, trouble doesn't come from nowhere. It came from you, I'm pretty sure. I've never seen innocent people suffer this way. But then you go on this big thing about God and it's just weird. If this was the only thing that he said, if he said, brother, seek the Lord and commit your cause to him because he does great and marvelous things beyond number and then he
Starting point is 00:35:42 talks about all the good things got it you'd be like see guy seems solid sure yeah yeah if that's all he said but like you you like said so many things that it's like one of those things where like this can't even be heard in the midst it's drowned out by like by all this other stuff that you're saying oh yeah yeah i mean in the midst of everything he has to say this is you don't even you like you just skim over it's like it it's it just kind of it's true but it's meaningless yeah given the entire context of what he's saying and then he's not done he says we can finish the chapter here uh he shifts now again to saying something which is true i mean this is like proverbs 3 hebrews 12 kind of stuff when he's talking about the discipline of the lord behold
Starting point is 00:36:28 look, look, Job, blessed is the one whom the Lord, whom God reproves. Therefore, do not despise the discipline of the Almighty. For he wounds, but he binds up. He shatters, but his hands heal. He will deliver you from six troubles. In seven, no evil shall touch you. There's some of that, it's sometimes called a numerical ladder, you know, for three transgressions and for four, you know, these three things and this one thing. We have that all over Psalms and Proverbs. a numerical ladder where you climb from one to the other he will deliver you from six troubles in seven no evil shall touch you in famine he will redeem you from death and in war from the power of the sword you shall be hidden from the lash of the tongue you shall not fear destruction when it
Starting point is 00:37:14 comes at destruction and famine you will laugh you shall not fear the beast of the earth oh a lot of good stuff for you shall be in league with the stones of the field and the beast of the field shall be at peace with you. You will know that your tent is at peace. You shall inspect your fold and miss nothing. You'll know also that your offspring shall be many. Your descendants as the grass to the earth. You shall come to your grave in a ripe old age, like a sheaf gathered up in its season. Behold, look, Job, this is the closing remark. Look, Job, we have searched this out it's true so listen to us and know it's for for your good it's a he's like he's trying to spin this very positive like listen job uh blessed is the one that god reproves now we don't know
Starting point is 00:38:04 what you've done uh but obviously god is disciplining you so don't despise that he's gonna wound you he has but he'll bind up he's shattered but his hands will heal and he's gonna to deliver you from all these six troubles. And the implication being, if you'll just confess this and repent, then, you know, you're going to live to a ripe old age. Uh, you're going to be like that sheaf that's harvested at just the right time. And we know it's true. We have studied this joke. We've searched it out. So listen, no, it's, it's for your good. Yeah, dude. Just in case Joe was wondering uh god's gonna deliver you from us from some troubles and uh don't worry uh you're not gonna fear destruction when it comes oh that's great well i don't know how to tell you this but
Starting point is 00:38:54 it came and it's horrible right like i mean come on man it's it's like these guys are are blind to everything that's happened to joe and everything is still happening to him they are uh they're like uh some sort of weird detached university professor who's uh just kind of going to sit here and lecture job with something which has which overlooks everything that he's gone through and then assumes that they know everything about job including his supposed sin and they're going to lay some wisdom on him uh i'm surprised a fist fight doesn't break out in the middle of uh of job that's the one surprise the thing about job he never stands up and just like punches one of these guys in the nose yeah yeah yeah he probably doesn't have the energy for that uh but that's
Starting point is 00:39:47 true he's conserving his energy uh for his next his next string of uh of words which uh it's pretty great are you gonna you're gonna hear uh him gonna say all right that's all fine and dandy, but I feel like me being upset is justified. So you're going to get no sort of audit of my life from me so I can figure out what thing I did that is so much worse than whatever you guys did. And that's why I'm in this situation. I don't think that thing exists. And so we're going to get to hear that from Job next week. But wait until then. Chad, I will see you then. All right. See you then. We'll see you next time.

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