40 Minutes In The Old Testament - Joshua 10:1-21 (Episode 190)

Episode Date: November 15, 2019

Five kings rise up against Gibeon and Israel rises to their defense. God gets all the credit for what happens in the battle and we are pointed back to the plagues of Egypt. Joshua asks the sun to stan...d still and it remains day until the battle is won. How are we to understand Joshua's request and what does it mean that "no man moved his tongue against Israel."? Chad and Daniel discuss all of this. Have a listen! 1517 Podcast Network Houston City Event Las Vegas City Event Chad in Brighton Colorado Great Freedom Conference in Germany Donate

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to another episode of 40 Minutes in the Old Testament. 40 Minutes in the Old Testament is a 1517 Podcast Network podcast. You can go to 1517.org slash podcast. Check out all the other podcasts that are going on over there. Maybe 30 minutes in the New Testament. Maybe you've learned enough of the Old Testament to go and read some commentary on the Old Testament, as Chad says. We've looked at what Paul has to say about it, what St. Matthew has to say about it. We're currently looking at what St. Luke has to say, of course, about the Old Testament.
Starting point is 00:00:52 And the fulfillment of everything in the Old Testament, Christ. And this is what the Gospel of Luke is about So if you haven't checked out that You can check out that Also, things like the Christian History Almanac This is one of the podcasts I listen to every day, actually When I'm getting my coffee The first thing I do when I get up in the morning
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Starting point is 00:02:38 Also free, March 21st, Las Vegas. You can find all the information over the events page at 1517, and you can sign up. And we do need you to sign up. All you got to do is type your name in, and we'll know you're coming. Chad, what's going on, man? hey speaking of events um i know we got some listeners scattered everywhere so if any of you live in colorado close to denver i'm gonna be at zion lutheran church in brighton colorado on february 8th when you mentioned february with the city event made me think of
Starting point is 00:03:08 that so any colorado people out there if you're in the denver area look up zion lutheran church brighton colorado i don't know that they have anything posted yet on the website but uh pull out your phone open your calendar app and uh designate february 8th to join us there i'm gonna be they have a it's an annual congregational conference and it's uh titled i think seasons of the soul so we're gonna be talking about uh various aspects of some of the themes in one of my in one of my books so anyway i'll i'll let you know more later but uh february 8th in brighton colorado if you're in that area did you talk about jesus at all i probably fill him in there a couple times okay yes i like to yeah i like to include jesus you know when it fits with my particular
Starting point is 00:03:53 program right when when it fits the narrative yeah when it fits the narrative yeah we're going to be uh i think trying to think of the three topics i got three presentations that day one is something like uh talking about uh john and jane doe just in the sense of the the ordinariness of the of the christian life and then one's on parenting and i think one is going to be on the recovery of lament in uh in christian uh prayer i believe those are the three anyway yeah that's it that'll be it so i'll we i'll weave jesus into those uh yeah as much as i can yeah i wish i lived in colorado so i go hear that well if you're in colorado you can go get you can go get the trifecta of talks from chad bird go get it that's it that's it join us besides that
Starting point is 00:04:40 i've been joshua joshua wing this morning looking at chapter 10 got some real cool stuff coming up here you know we got the sun standing still yes i was about to say i think there's gonna be something that doesn't that uh there's some controversy over uh exactly what's standing still in this in this yeah yeah what does that mean so we got that coming up we've got uh these five kings who end up hiding in a cave and then uh come to a a a bad end later on and we have a the thing i like about this chapter and i actually did not know this until i started doing a little bit of research on it but it turns out that in my opinion anyway this chapter is meant to be read in light of the 10 plagues and i'll explain i'll explain more about that as we
Starting point is 00:05:32 as we go along but there's some there's some pretty heavy-handed hinting that uh that the author is doing here as to some connection there's more than a wink it's like you know walk up and kind of uh you know tap you on the shoulder and and point back to exodus uh some of that going on here so anyway i'll uh i'll point that one out once uh once we get to it oh awesome well that sounds like a lot to get to so we better get after it we better do it yeah so last chapter was all about the gibeonites the uh the sneaky gibeonites who pretended they were from a long way off and uh tricked the israelites into saying all right we're cool yeah we'll we'll have peace treaty it's all good and then they find out and the israelites find out later these guys like
Starting point is 00:06:18 living down the street from them so anyway so the gibeonites are now uh because of this they're uh they're the servants of israel all right that was part of the part of the deal but they're also kind of considered within the covenant i mean they're part of the broader israel we might we might say so it's not just like not just like a peace treaty it's more than that they're now allies in the sense that if anybody messes with with the gibeonites then they mess with israel and that is the segue into chapter 10 because this is exactly what is about to not to happen because you can you know if you just read chapter 9 you can kind of get the impression that oh okay so yeah they tricked them and they made a peace treaty that means they're going to
Starting point is 00:07:03 get to live they'll be servants but nothing more well no as we find out in joshua 10 there's a whole lot more israel is actually going to come to their to their rescue if if somebody was like you know what we think we're going to take over canada well that won't happen uh unless someone is also willing to deal with the united states for a couple of reasons one we are allies so we're at two we're connected and so israel has an interest in making sure that someone doesn't go and invade gibeon because well this is a little too close like we have we have a covenant with these people so like we know that this is okay but we don't need no armies coming in here and invade yeah that's that's basically what's going on here uh you got these five kings starts out with talking
Starting point is 00:07:47 about the the king of jerusalem his name is uh adonai zedek come back to that in just a second so he's the he's the first one who's introduced here it says that he heard of what happened at the city of i you remember that a couple chapters back first they beat israel then israel went back and defeated them so he heard about that and uh he heard about jericho and he heard that the gibbonites had made this peace treaty with israel and his reaction to this is interesting it says in verse two that he feared greatly as well he should i mean these guys this is you think about it there's been such a uh an amazing reversal here yeah you get these people they've been one round of the desert 40 years and probably just kind of a look like a ragtag group of uh refugees
Starting point is 00:08:39 and they get to the Jordan River and then all of a sudden everything changes. They become a pretty fierce army that just is wiping people out left and right. So of course word spreads. And as we'll see in just a second, they even know, these aren't just kind of like
Starting point is 00:08:57 this nameless army that's out there. They know who they are and they even know Joshua's name. So they're well aware of who these people are and of what they're doing. word is spreading rapidly so of course his response as has been the response of just about everybody so far fear of course the people in Jericho were afraid and the people of Ai after they realized they were tricked they were afraid and the Gibeonites were obviously afraid because
Starting point is 00:09:26 they came and made this uh this peace treaty so he fears greatly because Gibeon was a great city so it wasn't like you know there was this little village full of Gibeonites and you know it'd be easy to squash no this was a this was a big city this is a powerful city it says it's like one of the royal cities what whatever that means we're not exactly sure but i mean it was it was a city that had a reputation for being strong probably had a reputation for having a a pretty strong army as well but they made a treaty so this just added to the fear of adonai zedek the king of jerusalem yeah and great is is a relative term right the and uh the way everything was set up back then like i live in bentonville arkansas we probably
Starting point is 00:10:13 have our king and uh and we would be considered a great city they'd be like man it's like a lot of people there not the way that we think of kingdoms even in the later later on in the medieval times is you know you have countries essentially with kings or you know maybe you have the king of france and you have the king of england and stuff like that it's not like that it's like every little place had their spot but still you could like there's bigger spots and smaller spots and if somebody has we saw i mean if somebody has 10 000 guys you're like well that's a big place it's a big city you know yeah it's big enough to build walls and big enough to have fighting men and all that kind of stuff yeah so it's but small but small enough to be wiped out
Starting point is 00:10:51 too yeah right right right yeah so yeah you had of course lots of depending on which part of the world you're in different kinds of societal organization leadership like for instance Israel has no king at this point Yahweh is their king they have a human leader of course they had Moses and now they have Joshua but they won't have a king for a few more generations but you had for instance in Egypt Egypt was very different than Canaan in Egypt you had a whole country and you had a king a pharaoh who was over that country but now you get to Canaan and it's very different Every city or maybe confederation of cities is like – that's why they're called like a city-state or – I forget the other terminology. But these are – yeah, they're smaller areas.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Maybe one city, maybe a group of cities, and most of them would have had a king over this particular little area or group of people. Well, this is one of the reasons that Egypt was also just like a dominant force is because they had taken this entire area and designated one dude. I mean it's like a much larger mass of people with one guy at the at the helm and so if you want to know something that will get your reputation boosted up it's like yeah those guys came out of Egypt and somehow like defeated Pharaoh in the process which is just a ridiculous sort of statement yeah yeah I mean I guess one of the closest things that we might have in relatively recent history to something like was going on in Canaan would be that would be the native american tribes in the sense that you you know they had their own region and they had their
Starting point is 00:12:24 quote-unquote king uh the chief uh and but you know one thing that was different of course is that most of them were uh uh they moved around they didn't build cities uh so but i mean that was somewhat of a parallel here so there was tribal reputations too i mean there was some tribes where you're like it would be the same sort of thing like that's a that's a mighty tribe right there i mean that's that's that's the one that's one not to be messed with yeah yeah so i mean there's somewhat of a parallel situation between canaan and and what was uh what was going on in the in the united states anyway you've got you've got the one king of jerusalem and then you've got these other guys too so it says that uh verse three that he decides he's gonna get together
Starting point is 00:13:06 with these leaders of these other city states so the king of jerusalem he uh sends word to a guy name Hoham, who's the king of a place called Hebron, which we've heard about before. And then to Piram, who's the king of Yarmouth. And to Japhia, who's the king of Lachish or Lachish, however you want to pronounce that. And then to Debir, who's the king of Eglon. So you got these five kings, different cities. And here's the message. Verse four says, come up to me and help me and let us attack Gibeon because it's made peace with Joshua and with the sons of Israel. That's the verse where Joshua's name is mentioned. So they know who the leader of the Israelites is.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Now, I did want to say before I forget, I mentioned it, I just alluded to it earlier. This is the first mention in the Old Testament of Jerusalem, at least by that name. It's not the first mention of that place, but the actual name Jerusalem is first mentioned here in Joshua 10. There is a reference to it way back in Genesis chapter 14. if you're uh if you're a long-time listener you may remember that's a chapter where we talked about uh the priest king of jerusalem whose name was melchizedek so back then episode where me and chad have an epic disagreement yeah that's right that's right verbal fight over that one yeah so But back then, it was called Salem, which most scholars assume was just a shortened name for Jerusalem back then.
Starting point is 00:14:45 And there's a psalm that calls Jerusalem Salem. So you've got at least a couple of Old Testament references to that particular place with a shortened name of Salem. But most of the time, of course, it's called Jerusalem. so we we're going to hear a little bit more about uh uh about jerusalem by the way i think it's also called yebus jebus however you say that english j-e-b-u-s because the jebusites live there so it goes by different names in the scriptures but as you as you know it's not going to really become part of uh part of israel at least fully part of israel conquered until the time of david and uh So, you know, Saul didn't have Jerusalem as his capital city.
Starting point is 00:15:30 David was the one who captured the city and made that into his capital. But anyway, another kind of interesting tidbit here, speaking of Jerusalem, is so back in Genesis, Melchizedek, so the last part of his name is Z-E-D-E-K, which is the Hebrew word for righteousness. so he was named Melchizedek and here this king is called Adonai Zedek so I don't know what it was about that Zedek name in Jerusalem but it must have been a tradition that perhaps a tradition that the kings of Jerusalem like to choose that particular part of a part of a name for for their own anyway Adonai Zedek means something like my lord is righteousness or righteous is my lord or or something like that so anyway he gathers together these uh these other four kings so there's five of them now they're called the five kings of the amorites amorite comes from a word
Starting point is 00:16:31 that just means like uh the high ones probably because all these these guys were not the hill country they were in the high places so their name is based upon their geographical location so the five kings of of the amorites and it lists them there in verse five they gather together they go against Gibeon. So what does Gibeon do? Well, they call on their allies. Verse 6, the men of Gibeon sent word to Joshua, to the camp at Gilgal, saying, don't abandon your servants. Literally in Hebrew, that is something like, don't let your hand slacken or loose on your servants. It's kind of the idea of like, maybe your hand is stretched out and you're holding someone up, or your hand as defending someone or something like that, but that particular idiom connotes just don't let us
Starting point is 00:17:24 go. I guess we might translate it. Don't let us go. Don't abandon us. Don't drop your support of us now. Something like that would come close to capturing the Hebrew idiom there. So don't abandon us. Don't drop your help, but come up to us quickly and save us and help us because all the kings of the Amorites who live in the hill country have assembled against us. So kind of a little wordplay in Hebrew going on here, because as you probably remember, Joshua's name comes from the Hebrew word to save, which is Yahshah. So they say to Yehoshua, to Joshua, come and Yahshah us, come save us. So you have both of the same Hebrew roots there. Basically, Joshua, live up to your name. Your name means salvation or the Lord saves. So come up and Joshua us,
Starting point is 00:18:17 come up and save us because all these Kings have assembled against us. So that's exactly what happens. Verse seven, Joshua went up from Gilgal, he and all the people of war and the valley of warriors. And God says to Joshua, this is verse eight, don't fear them. So we have this contrast, the King of Jerusalem feared greatly, but God says to Joshua, don't fear because I've given them into your hands. Not one of them shall stand before you. Same kind of divine affirmation that we've seen multiple times in the book of Joshua. God repeatedly telling him, don't be afraid. I'm with you. You're going to win. I'm giving you victory. And this time, not only does the Lord verbalize this, as we're going to see in just a second, he demonstrates quite graphically that he
Starting point is 00:19:05 is the one who is winning the war for them. We'll see that in just a second. So what does Joshua do? Well, verse nine says they came upon them suddenly because they marched all night. So they make this trip, this long hike up to do battle. But then listen to these verses. This is 10 through 12. This is the description of what happened. I guess, you know, when soon as dawn broke, Soon it was daylight, and the attack began. So I'm reading from the New American Standard. The reason I point that out, I'll explain in just a minute, but your translations, depending on which translation you're using,
Starting point is 00:19:45 are going to do a little bit of something with the subjects and the verbs in verse 10. Some English translations make it sound as if God does some of the verbs, and Israel does some of the verbs. now the translation i'm reading from makes it sound like god is the one who's the subject of all the verbs so i'll explain this more in just a second let me read 10 through 12 nan and the lord confounded them before israel and he slew them with a great slaughter at gibeon and pursued them by the way of the ascent of beth horan and struck them as far as azekah and makedah And it came about as they fled from before Israel, while they were at the descent of Beth Horon, that the Lord threw large stones from heaven on them as far as Azekah, and they died.
Starting point is 00:20:34 There were more who died from the hailstones than those whom the sons of Israel killed with the sword. That's one heck of a battle. You're running away already, and these hailstones start coming down from heaven, killing people left and right. yeah just that's like the worst of all scenarios that is brutal you decide like you know what retreat and then you caught in like the most massive hailstorm in all of history yeah have you ever been laughing but man if you've ever been in a hill i was in a hailstorm one time out outside i was only out out in it for i mean like 45 seconds like it just it came on quick and but it was hail like probably like golf ball size hail it's a just massive hail
Starting point is 00:21:19 oh man i beat the crap out of you oh yeah and i just got i was oh i got i got i was i was bleeding like i mean it was if you were out in the open and like because you might be like hailstones like if this was like some massive massive hail that stuff start you know it's like a baseball flying out of space it hits you in the side of the head man it's it's a bad deal it's all over yeah i've uh we had a bad bad hailstorm here in san antonio maybe four years ago uh in the in the area where i uh where i work where i make my deliveries man it looked like a war zone yeah uh just terrible people siding was just ripped to shreds there were holes in the roof cars look like somebody had just gone crazy and taken a baseball bat and just beat the heck out of them
Starting point is 00:22:11 yeah yeah i remember the uh like all the car dealerships locally like just like we're like liquidating everything like all the windshield like i drove by a car dealership the next day and there's like 200 cars with the windshields all smashed out of them yeah one of our guys at church had it had a sunroof on his car yeah nothing was left yeah i was it was bad so and i know of ranchers back in the texas panhandle where i grew up who have uh they've had to they've had to put cattle down because they were just you know they were out trapped out uh when the hail came they didn't have anywhere to go and they just they weren't didn't kill them but they were so bad off they just had to be put out of the misery just you know just tore them up so you can imagine all
Starting point is 00:23:00 that as a as a way of saying you can imagine what happened as these guys are running away and these hailstones start falling out of heaven. You can imagine why, you know, as it says, more died from the hailstones than those who were killed by the sword. But anyway, as I said when I was introducing this, who's doing the slaying and the pursuing and the striking? Well, I would argue, and I think with pretty good authority here on the basis of the Hebrew, that really we should translate this in such a way that God's the one who's doing all of this. So verse 10, the Lord confounded them, and then he struck them. Actually, the verb for struck is used twice. So struck or slew them. And so he's the one pursuing and striking and not the Israelites.
Starting point is 00:23:55 So for instance, the NIV actually adds the name of Israel, like that Israel pursued them and struck them but there is no israel in that part of the hebrew text they just added that as a way of explanation so uh anyway so if depending on which translation you're using it's going to be translated different ways but i would argue that god is the one who's doing all this so he when he says to joshua don't fear i've given them into your hands uh yeah quite literally because god is the one who's doing all the fighting for them he's confusing them he's striking them left and right. He's chasing them. And then on top of all this, he decides he's going to throw large hailstones from heaven. So speaking of hailstones, I said earlier at the beginning
Starting point is 00:24:41 that there's a lot in this chapter that hints at a connection, strongly hints at a connection to the 10 plagues. And this is the first occurrence of that. So way back, and I can't remember the chapter in exodus but anyway in the discussion of the 10 plagues the seventh plague is the hail is the hail plague and that particular hebrew word that's used for hail or hailstones let me get my i wrote this down so i wouldn't forget it yeah so it's found 29 times in the old testament that that hebrew verb for uh or word for for hailstones and 20 of the 29 occur in reference to the seventh plague in egypt so 20 of the 29 are used in reference to that so there's a very strong in other words if you're if you're an israelite and you know you're hearing the scriptures read in
Starting point is 00:25:36 hebrew when you hear the hebrew word barad for hailstones well your mind is automatically going to connect that with the seventh plague so just like god used that seventh plague to begin the long process of defeating the Egyptians and driving them to the point of letting Israel go. So now God is using hailstones now that he's brought Israel to the promised land to continue this long process of driving out the enemy. So that's one of these cases where this verbal connection between an earlier section in scripture and a later section in scripture is illuminating because this helps us to understand. You read, in other words, you read both these narratives together. One sheds light on the other. All right, so what happens next? Well, now we get to
Starting point is 00:26:31 the rather odd situation of the sun and moon being referenced, actually being addressed by Joshua. so this is verse 12 through let's we'll read 12 through 14 then joshua spoke to the lord in the day when the lord delivered up the amorite before the sons of israel and he said in the sight of israel oh son stand still at gibeon and oh moon in the valley of i yalon so the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies is it not written in the book of yashar and the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day and there was no day like that before it or after it when the lord listened to the voice of a man for the lord fought for israel all right dan you're gonna explain this
Starting point is 00:27:28 to us you get you get all the answers well it's funny because this is a this is a story that you know uh critics will say aha oh yeah yeah it's like a favorite it's like a go-to verse they can probably quote chapter and verse on this one yes aha the bible cannot be trusted because as we know it is not the sun that is moving it is the earth now granted true the sun is not the thing that is moving around the earth but we do use the term
Starting point is 00:28:05 the sun comes up the sun goes down we still use that terminology all the time we all know that it doesn't but nobody is saying well I gotta get these crops in the barn before the earth spins past
Starting point is 00:28:23 the sun just because we haven't figured out okay so what does it appear to us is happening well the sun looks like oh i mean if you watch if you look on you can get your weather app right now it'll tell you when sunrise and sunset is yeah as if this as as if the sun was doing anything yeah and so when we say when he says like the sun stands still this is what it appears is happening and i'm sure at this point yeah joshua does not know that it is actually the the earth that is spinning he doesn't know this i don't think probably copernicus had not quite no yeah this is not this is not a point of debate for them yeah uh and so the text gives us
Starting point is 00:29:16 words that we can understand for what happened. Because if it went the other way, people would be reading, they're like, what in the world? What are you, what is, what? The earth stopped spinning. Like, I don't even know, what does that mean? So, it's, I think it's a ridiculous
Starting point is 00:29:32 argument, considering it's language we still use. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you don't watch the Weather Channel when they're like, sunrise will be at 6, 15, this guy doesn't believe in science. yeah actually yeah i don't well it's just it's a great example of how you you have to ask yourself
Starting point is 00:29:55 what is the what's the intent of the scriptures well the the intent of the scriptures is not to teach us uh science and astronomy and that's not it's not the purpose of this i mean it's a narrative it's it's telling us how things went like played out and how they appeared to those involved. Yeah. And not only that, but it's the actual lines that are quoted here in verse 12 are poetry. And if you happen to be looking at your Bible, you'll notice almost all translations are going to bracket those as poetry. I mean, it's clearly the poetry. In fact, it says that this was written in this book of Yashar or Jashar, however you want to say that. And this is one of those we saw another one of these i think it was in numbers the book of the wars of the lord
Starting point is 00:30:46 uh was it's anyway it's a reference to a book a scroll some kind of record or collection that existed at back then but has since been lost uh you know who knows i mean there's always possibility that the dead sea scrolls were discovered and uh there's a lot of there's always you know possibility that one of these books might be recovered but uh anyway they they've been lost uh to us but they existed back then and probably this book is as a collection of a poetry there's one other reference to it in second samuel chapter 1 verse 18 and that's another another poem so this is probably just you know maybe it was something like a precursor to the book of psalms who knows it was uh when it was a collection of poetry so not only this is
Starting point is 00:31:35 this in a narrative but it's poetry and poetry as we know is highly metaphorical it doesn't use scientific literal language so anyway all that as a way of uh just you know explaining what's what's going on here was it was it miraculous yeah yeah but i mean exactly how this happened i don't know yeah well this is this is how you missed the entire point is by getting in these weeds where yeah yeah no what happened was it was day for a really long time yes like it was high noon for way longer than it should have been yeah yeah that's the point and and well that's the point and then the the bigger point i guess is just to prove that that when joshua cried out to god he heard i mean it's it's one of these it's one of the most i think one of the most amazing
Starting point is 00:32:26 verses that we have in the bible verse 14 it says there was no day like that before after it when the lord listened to the voice of a man just crazy verse there uh so there's joshua standing there talking to the sun and moon god listens god grants his request and lengthens this day in some way it's a it's just a when you're looking in the whole context of the scriptures and you and you think of Joshua in connection to Jesus, it's even, it's doubly amazing because here you have a mere man, Joshua, who's calling upon God and God is doing what he, what he asked. And then you think, well,
Starting point is 00:33:07 actually there was a time when God listened to the voice of man. He listened to the voice of his son, who was a man as well as, as well as God. And he says even greater things than this, you know, like father, forget them. Yeah. They know not for, they know not what they do which is a which is a much greater miracle than a longer day the sun standing still for the whole world under the sun to be absolved because this man cries out to god asking for absolution for the entire world but think about this too i mean joshua says oh sun stands still and god has to be like that's not how this works but i got you
Starting point is 00:33:45 god god interprets what he's saying he's like that's not that's not exactly how i set this up but i know i hear what you're saying yeah yeah and he listens to joshua and and gives joshua what he is requesting even though joshua doesn't know what he's requesting he's requesting it wrongly yeah yeah you don't really know what you're asking for here but yeah i understand i understand what you're saying i know i know your intent so i got you covered i mean so i mean it would kind of be we would think what's funny is it would be just even more ludicrous for joshua would have said oh earth stop spinning that would that would be absurd because they didn't know that this is how this is how this worked right of course he says oh son says though yeah yeah so
Starting point is 00:34:34 anyway that's a that's a some thoughts on those on those verses and so don't yeah don't get don't get hung up in the arguments of people who like to attack the scriptures using verses like this because it just misses the whole point. So anyway, going on with the story, some more good stuff coming up here. So all this happens, Joshua and Israel, then they go back to camp. And what happened to the five kings?
Starting point is 00:35:01 I'm always like, how did these kings escape being killed? This is the second time this has happened. They're like kind of standing at the back and watching everything happen. Then when it becomes obvious they're losing, they run. I mean, I don't know. But anyway, all five of these guys, they run away and they hide in this cave at makedah well they didn't get away because
Starting point is 00:35:24 israelites realized what was going on so anyway they they rolled these large stones against the mouth of the cave and assigned these men uh to guard it you can't hardly help hearing that without thinking of easter right you got a king who's inside a uh a tomb which is kind of like a cave you put stones in front of it and you got people guarding the entrance yeah especially the king of jerusalem's in there yeah you got the king of jerusalem in a tomb-like hole in the ground stones in front of it and guards in front of it yeah it's it's pretty hard not to hear some uh some resonance there with with the new testament narrative but what what happens these guys well they they do this just to make sure they're not going to get away and then joshua and the
Starting point is 00:36:10 Israelites, they just start going this, they go, uh, on the war path. They, uh, they destroy the armies that were, that were running away. At least those that the hailstones didn't get. And then they go back to Machedah. They go back to, uh, to the cave. And then I had to point this out one more thing before we get to, before we take care of the Kings. Verse 21 has this very odd second half. It says, so they returned to the camp, and it says, no one uttered a word against any of the sons of Israel. Now, you read that, and you're like, what? Where did that come from? What does that have to do with what's going on here? I mean, no one uttered a word against any of the sons of Israel? What does that even mean? Well, this is the second connection to the 10
Starting point is 00:37:01 plagues so if you see if i can find it here exodus chapter 11 verse 7 this is in the uh this is the the last plague so this is leading up to uh this is like the death of the firstborn and the uh the night of the passover so this is i'll start with verse 6 in exodus chapter 11 god is speaking and he says there shall be a great cry in all the land of egypt such as there has not been before and such as shall never be again. Verse seven, but against any of the sons of Israel, a dog shall not even bark, whether against man or beast. Okay. The word translated there is bark is the exact same word that's used here about back in Joshua chapter 10, about uttering a word. Literally in Hebrew, it's sharpen his tongue. So in Exodus, it says
Starting point is 00:37:58 there's not going to be even a dog that sharpens his tongue against the sons of israel and how now in joshua chapter 10 it says that no one sharpened his tongue against any of the sons of israel now the reason this is so significant is because this particular phrase only occurs two places in the old testament in joshua 10 and then in exodus chapter 11 this is another case where you can you can read these two in light of each other this was the of course the 10th plague was the final plague when israel was able to go free and the the egyptians were destroyed same things happening here you have a complete destruction of the enemies of israel under a new under a new moses under joshua now and just like god is the one who was bringing about the 10th plague so now
Starting point is 00:38:47 god is the one who's bringing about this victory for for the israelite so i think that this that this chapter is meant to be understood in light of the 10 plagues, because this is God once more doing all sorts of weird stuff with nature in order to bring about victory for, for his people. And then when you're, when you consider the plagues in connection with this, and then also read that in connection with the work of Christ and what he does on Passover, when there's darkness for three hours, when he's on the cross, you can see how it
Starting point is 00:39:27 all is leading up to the crucifixion. Everything from what was happening in Egypt, to what is happening now in the Holy Land, to finally what happens with this Israel reduced to one, who's outside Jerusalem, and he himself is now taking not just 10 plagues, but everything evil, all the plagues of all time into himself in order that he might bring about final and ultimate and everlasting victory for not just israel but for for everybody so it's pretty cool how you can see this just gradual flow of the story from exodus to joshua all the way into into the gospels yeah it seems that that part of this phrase sort of means that when god does what what he does when he's the one doing all the work that there is nothing to say yeah that's great yeah that's a
Starting point is 00:40:22 great way to put it yeah what do you just silences everybody right yeah yeah yeah and you know chad uh like jesus was left in the tomb we're gonna have to leave these kings in the cave for more than three days though we have to leave them in the in the cave for seven days they're gonna have to chill out and uh wait for us to come back and visit them because my apologies to the kings yeah Yeah, you just got to wait. Well, they're trapped. We'll find out. It's a good cliffhanger.
Starting point is 00:40:49 Next week, we will find out exactly what happens with the King of Jerusalem locked up in a cave. Guys, if the podcast has been helpful to you, you can go over to 1517, go to the Donate page, and you can become a contributor. Thank you so much to those of you who do that. It makes all the stuff that we do possible. Trad, I'll see you next week to figure out
Starting point is 00:41:09 what's going to go down in this cave. All right, we'll do it. See you then. We'll be right back.

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