40ish - Am I Becoming a Hermit? Too Many Jeans and Social Burnout.

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

This week on 40ish Lauren reveals the unreasonable number of jeans she owns - it’s essentially a denim museum at this point and Nicole is nostalgic about being grounded and realising she’s somehow become the parent she used to dramatically roll her eyes at. This week’s dilemma hits hard: Do you actually want to go out, or are you just going because society says you should leave the house occasionally? A listener questions the fine line between protecting her peace and slowly evolving into a happy little hermit. Plus, listener meltdowns include a yoga class invader with no concept of personal space, Lauren’s dead tree and Nicole’s emotional trauma with Lauren’s kitchen calendar. If you love this episode, share it with a friend who also secretly hopes plans get cancelled and owns too many jeans.Get in touch! Email [e-mail] a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/40ish-navigating-midlife-and-perimenopause--6942825/support.Our website

What's that me out of the blue? Great. Her name's Michelle. You hate Michelle, don't you? I like, I hate Michelle. I guess my question is, how do you know the difference between isolating yourself and becoming a bit of a hermit and protecting your peace? Does it even matter as long as you're... Imagine if we could turn all men into like Labradors.

That'd be so nice. No. Yeah. No. Why? No. No. Hello everybody, welcome to 40.

I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Lauren Mishkon. This is the podcast where we tackle the chaos of 40-something life. Each and every week, in fact, twice weekly. We dive into everything mid-life. Tackle it every day. Well, who isn't tackling it every single solitary day of their lives? Well, every moment of every day.

Yeah, because you can't be anything other than where you are. But we only bring it twice weekly to the public. Some of it we keep private. Not a lot. Well, I just said before I came on air, I have got a 40-ish moment, but I refuse to share it to anybody. And then Jane's walked in and said, is it about vaginas? Yes, it is. Okay, great. And he said, to be fair, I know more about your vagina and I do my own wives. Wives, wife. What he said was he's immune to vagina chat. But that's because... Our vagina chat.

But that's because, for context, because we did spend six years on self-care club doing many Vag-based practices. didn't we? Sort of. We steamed it. We talked about things. But I mean, you know, it became almost like brushing your teeth. It was just not a big thing.

Now it's just not a big thing. It's just not a big thing. And now that I'm post up with my hysterectomy, honestly, the things are coming out of my mouth. And even one of my best friends said to me, that is such an unlike you thing to say. I said,

you know what? It's been years of working with Lauren. And you know when you have a baby? And it's like you feel much more open about everything because you cannot believe what has just happened to you and how many people have. Very much.

How many people have seen up it, touched it. Rummaged in there. You leave your dignity at the door. Well, a hysterectomy is like exactly the same thing. Yeah, I can see that. There's a lot of similarities. I can see that. So I feel like, oh, whatever.

Yeah. Everyone's had their head up there recently. What difference? But it's a fine line between... You know what? I'm not going to clip that. I think you should. I think the line is being open and being Miriam Margolis,

because once you're her, you know what? I don't even think she knows what's going to come out of her mouth. She doesn't, but I just, there's open and then there's her, and that's a line for me. Okay. So if I ever... Good to know. Yeah, okay, thanks. If you ever cross it, I'll let you know.

Please, please, for the love of God. I promise you I will be the first person. Thank you. I'd let you down. Never. Anyway, here we are talking about everything, from the mundane to the ridiculous, figuring out how to survive midlife together. one rant crisis and or meltdown at a time.

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We really, really, really want to hear it. I mean, we've had lots of emails in this week about Earl Grey. We have. Who knew that it would be such a conversation started, but we are love it and we are here for all of it. So please email us.

Hello at 40ish.com.uk. And one more thing, if you are, and the most important thing, probably, if you are loving 40ish, we would be so hugely grateful if you could share this episode or this show with a friend that you feel could benefit from hearing from 40-ish. The more people we reach, the more ears we reach, the more midlife women that know about this show, the better we would be so grateful. Please share it. What's your most 40-ish moment this week, Mrs. Nicole Goodman? Well, I had to ground my daughter this one.

week. Oh. So, and it was just an interesting moment of feeling so sorry for her that she got grounded, but also like the parent in me of no, she absolutely needs to learn this lesson. And the most 40ish moment of that is that, oh my God, I remember being grounded. I remember so clearly how it feels to be grounded and then having to go to your parents and apologize for the thing that you've been grounded. It is the worst feeling ever. How many times? How many times? were you grounded? Um, a couple. I remember once I got a

like a keyboard for my birthday. A keyboard? Are you loving that for you? Yeah, I used to play the piano. Did you? Yeah. I did not know this. Don't you love it when we discover something new about each other? I really do. I used to play the piano.

Okay. The only thing I can play now is chopsticks. Me too. Right? And also the piano teacher used to burp over my shoulder and it was utterly disgusting. It's literally the only thing I remember about piano. Okay. Anyway, so I got bought this lovely like all singing, all dancing keyboard

for my bedroom so I could practice my piano. Cool. And I didn't say thank you. What? I didn't say thank you for it. Grateful child. All right. Could you be my friend and not the parent in this size moment? Sorry, I can't. I don't know why I did that. I don't know why.

Anyway, so obviously they conversational. skated the piano and then I was grounded until I sort of apologised and sort of took accountability for the back. I didn't say thank you. And I just remember that moment of having to go to my dad and say those words of I am so sorry I didn't say thank you. And I remember crying. Of course I'm so grateful. Thank you. You know, it was. How old were you? Oh, I don't know. Maybe. Well, I was in secondary school. So it must have been about, I must have been about 13. Okay. Something around that age. It was just awful.

Let me be clear. My youngest was not sobbing her heart out that she did apologize. What's your most fortish moment? Realising how many pairs of jeans I actually own. Take a guess. Is this 40ish? This is just a woman's moment. Well, it's a force.

I think you're speaking on behalf of all women here. I think I am, but also it is slightly 40ish because when I counted and then I decided, you know what, I'm going to take 30 minutes now to try them on and see. I realize through every. It's such a good idea. Every single pair, one of, how many pairs of jeans do I own? 18. No.

More. More. 30. 27 pairs of jeans. Even I was shocked. I thought it was like 10. It was not. It was 20.

No, I didn't think it would be 10. I was like, because I'm thinking back to my own wardrobe. Yeah. But I've still got like a pair of skinny jeans, page skinny jeans. They cost me over 300 pounds. I am going back 11 years, 12 years. I've had them. You know, when skinny jeans were like, so I really went out.

And I loved those jeans. Yeah. I still got those. Like, when am I ever wearing those? Why it's a 40-ish moment is because when you try on every single pair of jeans you own one by one, you realize a, the size difference. Yeah. Some fell off. Some still fitted.

They were all different sizes and all different fits. And also some I remember buying when Zach was a toddler. He's now about to turn 20. I still own the jeans. They still fit. But, you know, I have the flares, I have the crops, I have the skinnies, I have the baggies, I have the boyfriends, I have every pair of gene possible. Model. Anyway, I immediately got rid of seven pairs.

In fact, I know this. I know this will annoy you. I sold them on vintage. No, I can't talk about vintage. They were gone in a day. Can't talk about vintage. Gone one day. I'm going to set up a new vinted account and I'm going to say goodbye to that 38 pounds.

That is why I have not gone on to vinted because I know that there's 38 pounds sitting in that bloody account. Yeah. But it's 38 pounds, but I look at what I'm missing out on. Yeah. Yeah. It was a real moment for me there. You know, but I'm going to count my jeans. I'm going to do that, actually.

When you're away next week, that's what I'll do. I have to say, it is a good exercise because when you actually, when you actually put them on, you do realize some of them are just shit and why are you keeping them? Can we just talk about you going away next week, which is totally fine, by the way. But I do, I did suddenly. Thank you. I'm allowed to go on a holiday. Thank you.

suddenly feel like, what the fuck am I going to do myself all week next week? About a little bereft. Yeah. See, when I go away, to be fair, it's at Christmas time, so you're busy anyway. I'm not busy like every day, but it's a busy period. No, but we probably wouldn't be working together that much. Yeah. It's a busy period.

When I go away. Yeah. Just saying, next time maybe you could plan it a bit better. I never go away at Christmas. You know that. I'm just saying, like you're just leaving me on my own. I'm going to have to find things to do, although my cousin did then say, Are you around next week at all because I'm not working?

I'm like, oh, yes, I am around. So she's like, oh, should we meet up in the middle of the day for lunch? I'm like, yes, let's do it. Good, good. That's good. Yeah. It's annoying also because you can't go back to paddle so you can't fill. I can.

You can? I've got my six week check after this. Wonderful. Yeah. But then maybe you can fill the time with some gentle paddle. I already am. That's great. Yeah.

That's good for you. You can use your new paddle bag. And my new paddle racket. You're excited? Yeah. You're very excited for the bag. Yeah. Yeah.

No? I don't know. I feel like my paddle community have moved on. They haven't moved on. No, they have. I think they have. You won't like this. I'm going to tell you.

No, I don't want to know. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. What am I going to say? At the top of it, I don't care.

And you told me when I was drunk and I still know what you're going to say. No, this is something new. What am I going to say? Oh, I thought you were going to tell me about. your new Marjong print. I've got another one. She texted me out the blue. She WhatsApped me and Instagram real, a funny Marjong real about women in like these 80s floral

dresses playing Marjong with this electric thing. And I was like, yes, loving that. Electric thing. It was like an electric, some sort of bright pink Barbie marjong board. And I messaged her back. I was like, yes, loving the Barbie vibes of that Marjong board and the 80s hair. I was like, she gets my sense of humor. This is cool.

She WhatsApp me. out the blue. Great. Her name's Michelle. Great. You hate Michelle, don't you? I like, I hate Michelle. You know what's even worse? Michelle has got a dark bob. I know. You know, Alana doesn't have a fringe. I'm just saying. A lot of feedback. Yes, we have. A lot of it is about Earl Grey T. An emptiness. Yes. Both. Go on. Tell me what's happening. I found going back to what I love has ignited passions and goals. This is from Danielle. Horses and running. I struggled as my daughter is 17. She drives and has a job after school. I literally woke up one morning and wasn't needed. Emotionally, we are still very connected, which is nice and very important.

Oh, I get it. I feel like I literally woke up one morning and wasn't needed. I understand that. I'm not going to be into horses or running. I actually can't even talk about it. Horses and running. It's been confirmed where my daughter's going in September and I'm just... Yes, it's a terrible period of time while you wait for them to leave. Are you crying? I'm not crying. That's fine. I cried every day the summer before Max left for university. He walked in the kitchen. I would cry. I'd look at him. I'd I'd cry. I am totally understanding that now. It was so painful. And he'd be like, stop crying every time I walk in the kitchen. I'm like, let me just hug you. Let me just touch you. Let me just see you. Someone said to me her best friend was over the other night. She's like,

are you going to miss her? I said, no, Emily, I'm going with her. it's not going on her own I used to say that to Max like if you get a two bedroom flat maybe I could come for the weekend no yeah mom I don't want you to come yeah and you don't want him to want you to come either

no that would be really worrying no Laura said gosh I keep reminiscing about a time when my girls used to dance in front of the mirror and make us sit and watch their shows my parents were so much younger my son was a baby I was so stressed

running around working and organising life but I miss those days so much. Laura, I don't miss those days. Do you remember the shows? Did your girls used to do shows? Oh, fucking endless. She's still doing these fucking shows.

For a career. She's just done a performing arts diploma. What do you mean? Yeah, there were a lot of shows. She's about to go to drama school. So there's definitely shows. There were definitely a lot of shows. Max and Zach used to do shows with their friends,

Billy and Jack, and they used to practice them for like two hours. It was amazing because they'd bug up. Yeah, they bugger off. they practiced the shows so me and Kate could have tea and chat and whatever and then they'd come back and do the show and the shows hold on well Billy is also a musical theatre so I bet his shows were really good they were shit and I actually told him recently Billy it's a miracle that you've got this whole like career now in musical theatre because the shows were shit and he's like I didn't have very good actor you know like max my castmates were not up to scratch and Kate and I

would be like the script is bad there's no storyline here there's no arc you're not not giving enough. We were very critical. Are you joking? The shows were shit. I cannot tell you. I know they were like four and seven. But Daisy always used to take over.

Right. And she always used to like push Lily Rose out of the way. You know, she was always the leading lady. Nothing changes. She's still the leading lady. Nothing changes. So funny. Earl Grey.

Hi ladies. Long time listener here. Lauren, I heard your comments about Earl Grey tea and had to chime in. I'm a big fan of posh tea. like it strong. Most Earl Grey teas off the shelf are pretty weak. I found a creamy Earl Grey I like. I'm on Vancouver Island in Canada. But it's very expensive. So I decided to create my own version of Earl Grey. I bought a bottle of Bergamon oil from Amazon. Must be food grey, not the kind you use to make candles. Also, I put it in my essential oil like diffuser, not that. And I had some

vanilla paste. I had a little of each to some, I add a little of each to some Morrison's strong tea. and it's fabulous. Does she mean Morrisons? English Morrisons, no. Canadian Morrisons? Because I feel like Morrison's tea from here might not be that. No, I think maybe it'll be a Canadian thing. Don't feel like that's a good grade of tea.

No. Turns out very beneficial to your health too. Bergamot lowers cholesterol, fights inflammation and AIDS digestion, and vanilla lowers triglyricides. Trilycerides? Try whatever. I'm sure you were very concerned about that.

Very. You were, weren't you? Cholesterol and it improves brain, heart and digestive health. I didn't know that. I didn't either. I'll get my vanilla ice cream out. Yeah, immediately. So there you go.

Keep on drinking that stuff because not only is it delicious, it's good for you. Cheers Victoria. She also attached a painting of some teacups that she did. It was beautiful. Actually, I thought it was a photograph at first. No, it was a painting and it was really amazing. She said it's called Granny's Finest. I have to say it was the most beautiful painting.

It really was. It really was. like these very decorative, old-fashioned tea cups. Very talented Victoria, very, very impressed. Don't know if I want to make my own Earl Grey. It sounds a bit extra even for me. No what I mean? Bloody hell. Who even are you? Making new friends and not going for making your own Earl Grey tea. This is where I am at 48 now. Although you did just say that you've got people for lunch on fried Saturday and you mentioned that you're going to make your own humour. So I thought,

you know what? She's still her. Just before we dive into your dilemmas, a quick disclaimer. We're not doctors or healthcare professionals. So if there is an issue that you are seriously struggling with, please contact a qualified expert. Just quickly interrupting this episode to say, if you are enjoying the show, please share it with a friend who you think will love it too.

Hi, Lauren and Nicole. I am a fan of both your shows and I wanted to know as 40-ish women if you can relate to my problem. I keep finding myself asking the same question lately. Do I actually want to go out or do you? I feel like I should go. I had plans this weekend, a family walk and lunch with sister-in-laws and kids and a dinner out with two couples the next night. And if I'm honest, all I really wanted

was to stay at home in peace. Nothing dramatic's going on. I just wanted to have a quiet weekend pottering around doing my own thing, not having to make conversation or be switched on. But I forced myself to go because I felt like I should. And it was fine. But honestly, I would have been happy and not going. Now, now I'm wondering if I'm becoming anti-servousal. or if I'm finally listening to what I actually need. In my 20s and 30s, I would have gone out without even thinking about it, but my tolerance for plants is much lower and staying home feels like a genuine treat rather than sad. I guess my question is, how do you know the difference between isolating yourself and becoming a bit of a hermit and protecting your peace? Does it even

matter as long as you're happy? I'm torn as if this is midlife self-awareness kicking in or if it's a bad thing and I am slowly turning into someone who never leaves the house. Thank you, Michelle. You were talking about this the other day. Was I? Was it you? Said I'm just much happier at home. I need to be at home. I don't want to be it yesterday. You said I don't want to be out all the time. Oh, I think I was saying that even though I have a little bit of an emptiness now, I don't want to be like out the house from dawn till dusk. I actually quite like time at home and being at home. I think this is a fine line situation. I do too.

And I think the way in which you can tell whether it's good for you or whether it's you doing something destructive because it's really what she's asking. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Yeah. that or is it the I think when it's bad is it I'm here because I can't be going out it's driven by fear yeah or it's driven by anxiety or it's driven by something negative I think there's your line right like what is driving it if it is a really empowering move to say I'm just going to retreat

tonight and be with myself and spend time with myself gorgeous lovely wonderful but if it's oh I just I just don't think I can be bothered and I think I've got anxiety about speaking to to people and I don't want to wear and I feel rubbish in my body and I just, then that's problematic. Just ask what's driving it. I think, and this is what I started to do, because I think I, I think I felt like I had a bit of a phase at the end of last year where I really just didn't want to do anything. And, you know, in the depths of winter and you just don't want to bundle yourself up and go out and it's dark and it's golden, it's rainy and horrible.

And what I did was I looked at my kitchen calendar. actual diary. I was actually thinking about your kitchen calendar yesterday. I will talk to you about that. Okay. Well, anyway, I would look at my... That's going to be my meltdown. I would look at my, I would look at my diary and I would see in a week's period, in a whole week, what social arrangements did I have. And I actually made it a thing. I kind of forced myself to make sure that I had at least two. So I was having a lunch with someone or I was going out for an evening or I was doing something so that I had that kind of social connection outside of my house. I think it becomes quite easy to just cancel everything and not do anything. Oh God, it doesn't for me.

It does for me sometimes. And I think sometimes when you push through that and you do go out and you do have a good time, then you're like, oh, I remember this is fun. This is good for me. I should do do this. But I find now I do need a good balance. I really like to go out and see people and I also really like to have time at home. So I don't like to have two nights out on the trot. But that, oh, God, no.

Right. But that is also, you've learned that. And that feels very positive. Yeah. And that feels like you're taking that action and making that choice from a very positive, affirming place. Yeah. So like last night, there was dinner with 24 people.

That's a lot. That's a lot of being switched on and chatting and stimulation. Tonight, I'm so happy that I'm home. Sure. On Saturday and a few days time, I've got people for lunch. So it's like I need to refill and then relax and then refill and then relax. And I find that is the balance. And also it's the who are you seeing and what are you doing?

Because you don't have to do stuff that you really don't want to do. You really don't. You really don't. You don't. Like you just really don't. Yeah. My friend who has been struggling recently, two of her best friends asked her to go out with them. Now they were meeting in a place that was close to where they live,

not where she lives. And when I say not close, it was like her 25 minute, 30 minute drive. Wasn't that far away. And she was like, oh, I just don't know. And I don't think of me. But she hadn't seen anyone for weeks and weeks. And I could see that she was just not doing very well. And I basically said to her, she's like, oh, it's just a trek and it's slapping around and I can't be bothered. And I said to her, look, they are your two best friends. Okay. They are meeting for dinner. They are meeting at 6.30. You will be home by 9 p.m. go and be with your best friends. It will do you good. Yeah.

Stop with this. I can't with the trekking around. Stop it. It's not helping you. Anyway, she did go and she phoned me on the way home and she said, it was so gorgeous to see them. I feel so much better. Yeah. Because you need to see your friends. Yeah. Yeah. And your friends are there to lift you up. Yeah. And the beauty of being in your 40s, I think, is that you are no longer a teenager who is dragged to a party because all your mates are going, but you don't really want to go. or forced to go out on the Saturday night to some awful club because you don't have a boyfriend, but you quite like a boyfriend. You know, it's like...

I remember that, it's so good. So do I. But I was always the dragger. I was always like, come out, let's go. I was always up for it. And I'm still always up for going out. I mean, not every single night at the week. I couldn't bear that.

But I need, I am such a social creature. And I need that social interaction. And I think just coming off of having been stuck at home for quite a few weeks and not feeling myself, like I feel. We've got Easter weekend coming up and we don't have many plans in. And I'm already feeling quite itchy about that. Because I've been doing that for the past month, five weeks. I don't want that anymore.

I'm ready to get back to my life. I had people over for dinner last night. It was the first time I'd cooked. There were only six of us, but it was the first time I'd cooked a meal for people. And it was just having people around me and people around my table is just one of the greatest pleasures of my life. I just adore it. So all these things and just being able to go out and have a meal and come

home and it's such a privilege that I haven't been able to do for a while. So I'm sitting on the other side of it. I get it. I think I would say to this lady, you can at your age curate your life, curate your social life, do the things that you enjoy and that you want to do. Can I just highlight something there? You can, when you said you can at your age, curate your life. I totally agree with that. But you can at any age. Very true. Curate your life. Very true. But I think when you are in your 40s, your boundaries can be higher. Your ability to say, no, thank you, can be higher. You're maybe lesser for people pleaser. But do go out a little bit. But find the balance that works for you. Yeah.

Okay. My meltdown is as follows. In the bottom of my garden, there is a tree. It is a pear tree. It is dead. It has been dead for six months. I would like to chop this tree down. Do you know how much it costs to chop? I bet it's absolutely, is it hundreds of pounds? Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pounds. How much? It is not a big tree, right?

It's like 700 pounds. Yes. Oh my God. It is. It is not a big tree where it's not like some huge oak. It's a fairly small tree. And I... Are you allowed to cut trees down?

Well, it's completely dead. So yes, you are. I'm not doing anything bad. I don't know what the rules are with trees. It's just sticks. Okay. It got a disease. It's been dying for many years.

Now it is completely bare. And I keep every time I look out my window, all I see is this motherfucker dead tree, bang in the middle at the back of my garden. And I'm seriously, I'm seriously considering getting an electric sore and just going at it myself. And I know I'll end up an A&E. And I know there'll be some sort of finger or falling off a ladder. But I want this tree gone. Why don't you get one of your strapping boys to do that for you? That's the point of living with about 100 men.

I just am worried about them with an electric store. But it's all right for you to take it. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I don't mean the 13-year-old, but maybe Max, who's 22 and very responsible, could do it. I just, I want it gone. Okay. And I don't want to pay 750 pounds for that. But isn't it better to pay the 700 pounds and have a chopped off finger?

Maybe, but also, like, who's just got like, yeah, of any given mind? Oh, here's a spare 750 pounds to get rid of a dead treat. that's not really hurting anyone or doing anything. And also it can just stay there forever. And nothing will happen. It's just a bit of an eyesore. And it really is giving me a bit of midlife irritability. Because I want to enjoy my garden come the spring, summer months.

And I don't want to look at this dead thing in the bottom of my garden. And I also don't want to give someone £750 to get rid of it. So what does one do in this situation? I'll tell you what we do. What? You create a podcast, then you find a segment where you can moan about it. Yeah. That's what I've done.

That's what I'm doing. I don't know. I don't have an answer for you. I need a cheap tree surgeon. That's what I need. I just see a handyman with a saw. Maybe I'll just find a handyman with an electric saw. Okay. I need this resolved.

Well, whilst you're doing that, I need to talk to you about your calendar. Oh, my kitchen calendar. Yeah. Right. Two days ago. Why? Why was my thinking man? I don't know.

Did you see it? Don't ask complicated. Oh. Oh, I shall tell you. tell you why. Okay. Because we've had a lot of meetings in this week. Not that you've forgotten any of them, you absolutely have not.

And when people, every single other person on the planet who works in the working world, when they schedule a meeting, they do a calendar invite. Yes. Right. So it goes straight into my calendar. Right. Yeah? And also the Zoom link or the Teams link or the Google Meet link is in that calendar invite.

So it's very, very efficient. Yeah. Because you just press it. And then you can never get the time wrong. Everyone's working off the same time. Yeah. Because you're sharing an invite. But you don't do that.

You still put it on the paper. I do both. You don't need both. Well, it's automatically in our work email, so it's there. But I also need it on the kitchen calendar. So that in the morning... It's not on our work emails. It's in our work calendar.

Yeah, in our work calendar. Yeah, because I put it there. Oh, great. Thanks. I don't know that. I thought it just went in when you accepted the meeting. It does because I set it up that way. That's cool.

But that calendar can also be on. on your phone. It is. Right. So why do you need the paper calendar? So that when I come down, I mean, it's so boring. Do you really want to know? So that when I come down in the morning and make a coffee, the first thing I do is I look at

my calendar and I'm like, this is what's happening today. Yeah, but you can do that on a calendar on your phone. You don't need the paper. It doesn't sit in my brain. And as we've just discussed about the killing of the trees, which we can't afford to chop down. You're killing trees. And some other fucker who's your.

used paper for those bloody trees. They can't afford to chop these trees down. I'm killing trees. I'm using 12 pieces of paper per year. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. The most sustainable way to do it is on your phone. Yeah, but it doesn't sit in the brain the same way.

It just doesn't. I don't think I'm ever... I find it's so annoying. I'm sorry, I don't know why. It doesn't hurt you. It doesn't. It does. You know what?

It doesn't. Because if you were like suddenly not turning up to meetings, because you don't not turn up to meetings, ever. I'm super efficient. I know. God, I'm super efficient. But please, you could be more efficient. I don't want to, I will always have that paper calendar.

It's really helpful for me to like see things in one glance. But I do see things in one glance on my, on my calendar. It's okay. I think just let me have it. It's very, you know, if I was like a heroin addict, I would understand why you would have problem with that and like, you know, you could talk to me about it. I would have such a problem with that. I'm not going to be because as we all know, I can't even do a Pimpric test on my own finger.

So it's unlikely I'm going to be able to inject myself with drugs. on a daily basis. Really, really peace of hill up, but we didn't need to take it there. Okay, but we did. You did. What's the listener meltdown? It's from Anya. She says, I've been doing yoga for years in the same studio.

It's great, very calm, very zen, apart from one man who appears to have zero spatial awareness. The first time he came to class, he arrived late, grabbed a mat, put it directly in front of mind with about three centimeters of space. God, it's so annoying. Despite there being an entire empty ocean of full. floor in front of him. I spent the whole class trying not to kick him in the head. Last night, he outdid himself by walking between Matt's halfway through class while we were doing one legged downward dog, which resulted in me accidentally kicking him. For context, I am five foot tall. If I can kick you in yoga, you are far too close. He also makes noises and grunts that are

disgusting, sorry, and it puts me off my flow. I fully support people trying yoga, but I would also quite like to go to one place to relax without being annoyed by a man. Best wish. She's ania. I mean, I feel that way in the gym. Well, I mean, it's a long distance memory. But I feel that way in the gym when men are like making such loud noises. It's like, if you are making those noises, it's too heavy. Stop it.

What kind of noises? Oh, no, I don't like that. Oh, I don't like that. It is horrible. No, not into that. But they do it with every reps. If they're doing like a set that's got like eight reps, they do it eight times. Oh, no.

I'd have to have headphones in. Well, I do have headphones in. You can still fucking hear it. Oh, no. I'd be giving them such evil eyes. I do. So unpleasant. That's yuck.

And also, like, if that sound is coming out of you, you're lifting too much. Like, stop it. Just stop. Men's grunting generally and noises are just... Gross. Yeah. Gross. Why is that?

My dog's noises and grunts are so cute. Weird, isn't it? Yeah. And snoring. When Bieber snores, I love it. Oh, she's so happy. Yeah. snores no it's not sweet no no no not sweet it's funny that isn't it weird we're very tolerant of dogs

and not of men yeah is that is that is that is that just the bottom line yeah imagine if we could turn all men into like labrador's that be so nice no yeah no why no no what all men into lap no i'd no no who would we be having sex with exactly We wouldn't be having set, like, no, no, I can't play paddle with a Labrador. I can't go on holiday with a Labrador. We could just leave John Hamm as is. John Hamm, oh my God. He's doing the publicity circuit for Friends and Neighbours season two.

Is he? When's it out? Is he? He's everywhere. I haven't seen him. He's everywhere. I haven't seen him. Oh, I've seen him everywhere.

Could we just leave him and the guy who plays JFK Jr. Just leave them as men. Maybe Mark Ruffalo. And the rest we turn into Labrador's. Bradley Cooper can stay. Oh, well, no, not since the plastic surgery. Oh, has he gone weird? Yeah, weird and puffy.

Always loved. But I haven't seen him for ages. Gosling. Can we keep Gosling? Yep. Vince Vaughn. Vince Vaugh! Yeah, I love Vince Vaugh.

Okay. I mean, I have no feelings about him, but sure. No, he's so tall and charismatic and funny and fun. And I bet he'd be a great dinner date, Vince Vaughn. Can we keep Paul Rudd? Yes. Please, thank you. I really like him.

Yeah. But I haven't seen Vince Vaugh. for a long time so I'm not sure how he's aging these days. Can we also keep all the guys from queer eye? Because they're just nice to have around. Okay. All right. Well, this is going to go for a while. So should we go? We'll make a list. We'll make a list. We'll bring it back. The listeners can add to the list. Yes. Men they'd like to keep and not turn into Labrador's. I don't want to turn men into Labrador's. Right. Goodbye, everybody. Have a lovely week.