40ish - Avocados , Gut Health and The Big Wash

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

This week on 40ish Lauren confesses her deep (possibly unhealthy) love for The Big Wash, while Nicole revels in the rare and glorious joy of 11 child-free days at home. Meanwhile the listeners are chiming in with their weekly woes:One wonders how to avoid feeling invisible in middle age. Another has somehow pulled a muscle in her actual armpit, whilst Nicole discovers the answer to everything - just eat an avocado. Whatever midlife mayhem is occurring for you, you’re not alone. This episode is sponsored by London Nootropics Get 20% off at LondonNootropics.com with the code 40ISH To book tickets for our live show in October click here: https://cheerfulearful.podlifeevents.com/festival/40ish---live-from-cheerful-earful-podcast-festival-16-oct-2025-tickets?clientside_routing=true We love to hear from you! To share your feedback, dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife please be in touch at: Email [e-mail] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, every morning. That's what they tell you. Every morning. Yeah, every morning. Apparently, if I eat an avocado, it'll sort itself out. Okay, okay, okay. That's definitely, definitely the fix for everything. I'm feeling creeped out by my own comment.

You've given yourself the ick. Yeah, exactly. Hello everybody. Welcome back to a brand new series of 40-ish. I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Lauren Mishkon. This is the podcast where we tackled a chaos of being 40-something. Every week we dive into all things midlife, the news, your stories, your dilemmas, and of course we bring you our own mess and challenges of navigating midlife. From the mundane to the ridiculous, we figure out how to survive midlife together, one rant, crisis and beltdown at a time. Or combination of all of those things. Yeah, we discuss it all. Don't forget, you can subscribe on Apple Podcasts for Early Access, add free listening across both this show and our other show's Self Care Club and bonus content you won't get anywhere else. And you can watch

the video of this every week on Spotify or you can listen on any other podcast platform. And if you've got something to share, big or small, we want to hear it. So please email us hello at 40ish. or you can DM us if you're cool you want to give them the rest of it no I was going to say or you can like say mean things on TikTok but it's only really the men that like to do that you can DM us at 40ish dot podcast over at Instagram or on TikTok we never get DMs on TikTok it's probably a good thing

I actually don't know how to read them anyway maybe we do maybe we do get DMs on TikTok maybe we do no we don't we don't No. No. Okay. What's the most 40-ish thing that's been happening to you this week? Well, it's not really this week. It's more like the summer.

Okay. I have had, parts of my summer have been completely child-free. Oh. Like, my eldest was in. She went away with her girlfriends and she went away with her boyfriend. My youngest was at camp for a few weeks. Like, we've had a lot of time the two of us. Yeah.

We've had a lot of time in the house on our own. Yeah. And it's been like the first summer since we've had kids together. I mean, the first summer in 17 years that we've had this time. What's that like? It was amazing. Was it being like honeymooners? I just kept saying like the first few days, I kept saying,

I just can't believe there's no children here. I just can't believe I don't have to pick someone up. I can't believe I don't have to take someone somewhere. I can't believe that no one's coming in at nine o'clock and cooking another meal. I can't believe that I tidy up and it just stays as it is. I can't believe there are no children here.

But did you have to like have sex in the kitchen every morning? Yeah, every morning. That's what they tell you. Every morning. Yeah, every morning. Because that's a lot of effort. I didn't have to have sex in the kitchen every morning. You know you could discuss those things first.

What, with your husband? Yeah. Okay. it was just it was freeing was it it was really amazing like it's giving me the hebees

like just the thought of that is like making me feel ill why it's amazing I just can't I just can't I just can't I cannot even express she's so excited she's spitting the thing is is the

I can sit here and say to you, oh yeah, I really missed them and, oh, look, I did. I love my kids. I don't need to sit here and justify how much I love my kids in order to tell you that I really enjoyed my freedom. Like, I really, really, really enjoyed it. Did it feel like the same as before you had them? Do you know what I mean? Like when you're married but you don't have your kids yet?

Or did it feel like another version of that? Did it feel like this is what it's going to feel like in 10 years when they've been? move out. Yeah. Did it? This is like the next stage of our life. Yeah. This is the next stage of our life. So then it was just, I just, I honestly, I enjoyed every second. I really did. Also, because I know they're coming back. Yeah. Maybe that's the thing. If they were never coming, and I was on limited time, right? So I've got, I had a two, we had 11 days. Yeah. It was just two. It's a long period of time. That is a long time. Right. So that's what I kept saying it's because they're coming back

that you can sit here and appreciate it. I think he's right. Yeah. Then I think my house would feel way too quiet. I think he's right. It was like a holiday, at home. A home holiday. The not having to go out 11 o'clock at night and pick a child up

was just amazing. Yeah. It was just amazing. I really loved it. Yeah. I had 10 days when Josh was at camp. We were away for some of it, so it didn't feel weird but when we were home without him was odd because you're just used to their little person being around you know it's weird it's just weird I've got a lot this summer with like the leaving and the coming and the going yeah different children being there and not being there so I'm recalibrating all of it but yeah that's yeah it was like a holiday you had like

a home holiday it was it was okay I'm just going to say it say it I'm going to say it it gone it was more a holiday than my holiday I totally believe that. It was. Of course. It was amazing. I was playing paddle at 6pm because I can. Yeah.

I was playing paddle at, I was playing paddle left, right and sit. I could not get off this paddle court. I've never been so happy. That would explain your knee and your elbow. Okay. All right. I'm injured. She's being mean.

I mean, it's just, that wasn't nice. You know, that wasn't nice. That wasn't nice. I know. But I did love it. But now I need a lot of physio Come on, what's going on with you this week? I want to talk about, I feel like many, many mothers are going to relate to this.

It's possibly, many who, mothers, mothers, it's possibly the most mundane thing I've ever brought to this show in a year. Hold on, hold on, hold on, I'm just trying to think. No, I really think it is. Some of the mundane shit. Some of the mundane. No, this is fucking mundane. Is it to do with washing? Yeah.

It is. That was an actual guess. Three words. The big wash. You know what I mean by... Everyone knows. The big wash. Everyone knows.

Okay. But the thing is... Everyone knows. I'm just going to say this. This is my confession. You loved it. I don't mind the big wash. I don't mind it.

And I feel like, secretly, there are other mothers out there who also don't mind the big wash there's something who who are they i just think there's something deeply satisfying about emptying suitcases full of shit holiday dirty clothes washing them all drying them all folding them and just like that massive fucking pile that takes up the whole kitchen table there's something very satisfying about the big wash i don't mind it and i and i know it's 40 something and i don't care and i'm owning it and it's fine listen the thing is is that we're not here to like we're here to celebrate our 40-ishness. That's what we're here to do.

I'm celebrating the big wash. It doesn't happen many times. It doesn't happen many times a year. Thank fucking God. When my daughter came back from camp, I opened that suitcase. Firstly, half of it just went in the bin because it was covered in grass,

paints, like some socks. I mean, I don't even know what color they were, but I can't even bother with this. You know, a lot of stuff went in the bin But I wouldn't say I looked forward to it Do you look forward to it? I don't look forward to it But I don't resent it

And also I am that weirdo That puts all the dirty washing in one case So when I come home Oh, we do that Oh, good We always do that Okay, good Yeah, always do that

So when I come home Before I do anything I come in the front door I open the case I put the washing machine on And I feel good It's the first thing I do before I even make So what you're saying is, the laundry is giving you a sense of self-worth.

No, just satisfaction. Yes, you said, I feel good. I feel good that I'm like already starting on the big wash. Yeah, yeah, it's playing into your self-esteem. I like laundry. I like it. Okay. I like it.

I'm not sure it's okay. Okay. I don't think I used to like it, but I'd quite like it now. I think it's just because it's mindless and you, you can do a lot of. And it's productive. Productive and mindless. And you can do a lot of thinking and have productive thoughts. Why am I licking the mic? She's licking the mic. What's that about? Just how to practice. Yeah. We haven't seen each other in a long time. It's our first record back. So now she's, you know, as a podcaster, don't lick the mic. Are you sure? Is that

rule one? Is this? When you go to how to be a podcaster, you know, you do like an online course. Yeah. Don't. in fact we should do it we should write a course on how to be a podcast we should I've actually thought about this in the summer actually have actually have I've had a lot of time to myself

as I've just mentioned and I think we should do a course on how to be a podcaster there's lots of people that want to be podcasters lots lots everyone wants a podcast and listen we're going to give you a quick preview to the course don't do that don't lick the mic

it's not yummy but it is calorie-free. It also plays havoc with the listeners' ears. Also, other people have to come and talk into this mic. It's the ASMR, AMSR, AMSR. ASMR. We did a show on that once. We did, or over at Self-Care Club. So don't lick the mic and the big wash.

The big wash. Yeah. No, hold on. What were we doing with all that? You were in the middle of saying something and then you said about when you lick the mic. I don't remember. Brilliant.

Let's go to the time. Now we've just completely forgotten what we're talking about. Completely foolish. No, no. No, you lick the mic and then we have both. It doesn't matter. I think we've done it to death. I think that's it.

There's no more to stay. Okay. There's nothing more to stay. Just before we dive into your dilemmas, a very quick disclaimer. We're not doctors or healthcare professionals. So if there is an issue you're seriously struggling with, please contact a qualified expert. So it's a more serious dilemma today.

Oh, are we up for that? I think so. Okay. I think so. Should we genuinely try and help someone today? In a good way. We always genuinely try to help. help. It's always genuine. I just don't know if we're always that helpful. It's always

genuine. It's true. Okay. Come then. Um, it's anonymous. Yeah. They say, can anything be done about the sense of invisibility I have increasingly felt over the past few years when I go out in public. Is it all in my head or am I actually not being seen? I'm in my early 50s and single, so I try to get out to pubs, etc. and keep my eyes open to potential romantic connections. But when I look around, no one is looking back. I dress nicely and look decent, but I'm not really interested in doing a massive make-home to make myself stand out.

Is that the only option A? Hmm. Now, I think this is quite a big conversation about women disappearing and becoming invisible in their later years. I mean, I have heard this a lot. And a lot of women who reach their 50, 60s, often say I feel completely invisible now.

Like I wish I had catcalls from builders or I wish I was noticed on the street because I feel like people see right through me. And I can only imagine that's hard if you are a woman who was always very noticed and seen as or felt very attractive to then not feel that way anymore. Well, to not get the same response

that you're used to as a younger woman. Yeah. But do you think men feel this way? I'm sure they do. But you never hear the conversation. You never hear a man saying this. You only hear this coming from women. I think to be really blunt about it,

the men are all right, as long as they've got money. I think if they're wealthy men of any age... They can still pull, basically. They're still pulling, punching well above their weight a lot of the time, right? Sorry, but it's true. You would see very wealthy, attractive men in their 50s and 60s and maybe even their 70s with... What about very wealthy unattractive men?

Did I not say that? I meant to say that. Oh, right. You would see very wealthy, unattractive men in their 50s, 60s. 60s and maybe 70s with very attractive, often much younger partners. But doesn't that go back to like the societal norm of a woman is supposed to be financially looked after? I'm going back, you know, decades and decades ago when a woman is financially dependent on a

man and a man wants a woman to be decorative. So you're just both falling into those norms, which are now considered extremes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, it's a big question. right? I don't know whether it's all in her head or if she's actually not being seen because I'm not with her when she's going to all these places but I would imagine that if she is feeling invisible she's likely more likely to be projecting a sense of low confidence yeah

whereas if she was walking into a room feeling like a bad bitch people would notice but maybe she's walking into the wrong rooms maybe is what I was thinking when I was reading this like Well, her question is, is that the only option, which is to make herself, give herself a massive makeover? But she's already said, I dress nicely and I look fine. So, no, that's not. I don't even think that is an option. Like, be who you are. Yes.

And be, but it's finding that confidence in who you are now and how you are. And maybe going to the pubs is the wrong place to meet romantic connections because maybe they're not like-minded people. And also, if you want a romantic connection that is going to be last. you probably don't want one with someone who's only interested in you if you are hugely made up and made over and presenting as someone who you're really not. You want someone who finds you attractive for you

and who you genuinely connect with, right? But, look, I haven't been on the dating scene for a very, very long time, but isn't that, it's like the first key in, isn't it, to how someone looks? Yeah. It's the first thing you're,

you see and it's the first thing you notice but it does she want to meet men in pubs is that the kind of men that you're interested in and if it's not happening in the pubs and you're not meeting those people then perhaps you're in the wrong places I wouldn't say that you need to change no I would say perhaps change the locations do things that you're really interested in whether you're an avid reader join a book club or you like walking go on a hiking weekend or that kind of thing, you know, and then hopefully you'll meet like-minded people who may even know other people who they introduce you to, you know. Right. And you have an opportunity to talk to somebody and hang out with somebody and get to know somebody and vice

first, they get to know you, they get to know your thoughts and feelings about the book that you're both reading together. Like that's a point of interest and then you get to know someone better. I agree. I don't think anyone should have to have some massive makeover or do anything drastic to attract a partner but I do understand the concept of that whole thing about like the last fuckable day I used to have a real thing about that the last fuckable day yeah I've never heard this yeah go on it's like the last day that you're attractive what yeah yeah the last fuckable day according to what though I don't know according to like when that's just it no one would find you attractive enough anymore but that's not but that's not I mean it's not a thing it's

not a one day in time but you know it's like a concept like when have I reached the last fuckable day I used to really worry about that when I was really much too young to worry about that did you yeah I've never even thought about it I used to ask my friend who was a man like will you tell me when I get to the last fuckable day will you tell me well he's not going to tell you he would tell me he would tell me he would tell me well you're going to ask him now it's all right asking him when you're 19 I don't think I'm there quite yet I don't know that quite yet Are you still friendly with him? Yeah.

Ask him if he would still tell you. That's a good question. He may be less keen to tell me now. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You're like, you're nearer to it. I'm not in a cropped up. I don't think that's a thing. That's not a thing.

That's not a thing. It's a thing. Have you ever felt invisible? Do you ever feel invisible? I've never felt invisible, but I definitely feel when I was, much younger in my early 20s and I would go into a a restaurant, a bar, a place where there was lots of people, I would definitely feel there were more eyes on me than I would feel now,

especially if I'm in a place where I'm amongst the oldest person in there. And to be clear, I don't want eyes on me. I'm not interested in any way, shape or form. But you definitely, I definitely feel when I'm in a place that's full of like 20 and 30 somethings, I don't feel invisible, but I feel very much part of the background noise. And I'm fine with that and that's also completely appropriate. Yeah, I think that's, yeah. I'm not a, I am, I am not a decorative object anymore.

I'm too old for that. And that's how it should be. I'm not a pretty little thing in a bar. But I don't think anybody should be a decorative object. I'm not saying they should be, but I'm saying there's something, like when I see your daughters and they are so young and it is they are, they are beautiful. but it is also their youth that adds to their beauty. They're like vital.

They're like vitality and youth and they're just their skin and that's part of what makes women so beautiful and you can't however attractive you are when you're older, you can't get that back and you don't know, you can't see it when you're that age. So our advice to A is I think find a community of like-minded people, things that you like doing and maybe be in a

situation where you can get to know people rather than someone's spotting you from across the pub. And I would add to that, have a think about how attractive you are feeling rather than how attractive you are looking. Absolutely, because that is everything. Everything. And for more on that, you can come over to self-carey. club we've done episodes on confidence body confidence body positivity the whole thing so much so much resource over there so please go over and have a listen and thanks again for being in touch let's go to a break reading playing learning stalest lenses do more than just correct your child's vision they slow down the progression of myopia so your child can continue to discover all the

world has to offer through their own eyes. Light the path to a brighter future with Stellist lenses for myopia control. Learn more at SLR.com and ask your family eye care professional for SLR Stellist lenses at your child's next visit. Okay, there was an article in The Guardian recently on Nellie Fittado. Have you seen her recently? Yes. Yes. She is being slaughtered. I know. Body shamed on TikTok. She was at some festival, wasn't she?

Yeah, she was at boardmasters, which is actually bang next door to the hotel that we stay at every single year. Oh, really? In Cornwall, yeah. And normally from our bedroom, we can hear the festival. You can hear the music.

It's very, very fun. So she was performing that, and she was met with a lot of body shaming comments on TikTok. She's 46. She's a mother of three. She is not the skinny mini that she used to be, right? But she, I mean, listen, I was a big Nelly Fittato fan. I used to dress like her.

I had her album. The whole thing. I mean, she was totally our era, wasn't she? She was huge in our era. But I haven't seen her. I haven't seen her at all. For years and years. So I don't think she's been on the scene.

Well, she's been obviously busy having three children being a mum. Yeah. So I think what do people expect her to come out looking exactly as she did 25 years ago? they do anyway the comments were things like did she take her man eat a song literally so she came she came out in a very little like a leotard

wasn't it yeah but it was very costuming it was brilliant for the stage it was quite loud and it was very tiny it was like knee high thigh high boots and a hot panty kind of vibe I thought she looked great she looked really fun she did look fun she also looked

a lot bigger than she used to look when she was 22 or however old she was She's a different... Yes, she is. Completely different person. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't expecting that build, said another person.

A third person wrote, I'm like a bird. Yeah, a big bird. That is so awful. Yeah, I saw it all and I was thinking, oh, this is vile. And also, I love it that the men who are normally commenting on it are not exactly the most young or attractive themselves. There's an influencer called Tover Lee, and she highlights all of these things when a woman is being body. shames and she does it really beautifully so what she does is she'll cut the comments and then she puts their faces obviously from their profile picture next to the comments and it's like the audacity

that you men have like sitting here being these keyboard warriors pulling all of these women down when who are you who are you to say how she should look we had one on our ticot the other day did we yeah this man who was commenting about like oh you're nearly 50 like oh something something get over it and i looked at his profile picture i was like dude you're also about 55 like and what we're not allowed to age you understand that right oh yeah we're not they are but women are women are on but they're allowed to do whatever they want oh i see we have to stay young so we can just have loads of kids go through loads of hormonal changes and actually get older but we must still look 22 yeah yeah we've got to drive ourselves mad oh okay

to make sure our body looks exactly as it did like it hasn't lived any life yep birthed any children done nothing and we have to put fillers in our face and extensions in our hair yes and boobs, the whole thing to look the same. Oh yeah, of course. We do. We must do that. Yeah, we must do that. For men? For men? Oh, all for the male gays. Book that in your diary for next week. I will.

Anyway, the piece that was written about it argues that such negativity reflects our society's outdated expectations of women's bodies and relentless craving for youth. I completely agree with that. Instead, the author who wrote about this urges us to celebrate for Tard those talent, resilience, and continued artistic presence, not her figure. And actually what I found interesting about this was that it was on TikTok. And TikTok is full of, is it Gen Z's?

Yeah. It's Gen Z's, right? And they're supposed to be much more aware of this and much more into body acceptance, a body positivity, and everyone can do whatever they want to do and be however they want to be. Well, hello, what a load of bullshit then. But also, then I saw a few days later photos of Demi Levato. Now, I did not even know who it was. when I saw her

because I know what I thought she looked like she is now maybe 25% of the size of old Demi Lovato clearly on the Ozempic ride

but she is minute like you could put your hands around her waist she's tiny and she's getting slated for being too thin who is this

I didn't even recognise her she doesn't even look like herself anymore so it's like well you can't fucking win you slated her for being fat now she's too thin and Mel C

was also slated this week because she was in a bikini on holiday and she got slated for being too fit Oh, too fit! How dare she? Too muscular. Shame on her. I know. Too muscular, too fat, too thin. You basically are going to be criticised

whatever you bloody well do. It's not okay. So you might as well do what you like. You absolutely have to do what you like, yes. Let's cut to a bit of feedback. back come on them oh it's it's harking back to a show from july maybe or even june hello lauren and Nicole as the weather has been so lovely and hot i've been wearing more floaty trousers to work than my usual skinny jeans i didn't even know they were out of fashion until you mentioned it but i don't

care i still love them good you wear what you like anyway while wearing my lovely floaty trousers i could hear lauren's voice in my head saying about how princess diana surely was wearing sturdy knickers under her hazmat suit. Do you remember we were talking about underwear? That was a throwback, yeah. I was thinking this as I was clearly not wearing sturdy knickers, and I felt like my whole ass was just wobbling with each step I took and continued to wobble even after I stopped moving.

I do not. Oh, it didn't. No, it didn't. I do not get a wobbly ass in my skinny jeans. Oh, okay. My weekend plans are now based around looking for sturdy Princess Diana knickers, wish me luck re re re good luck with the sturdy knickers hold on why is she looking for sturdy knickers

because she wants to wear her floaty trousers and feel contained in the bottom I feel like you've been a bad influence on her on that one like don't listen to her rey do whatever you want anyway that was back in the summer that she obviously wrote that I never mentioned a wobbly bottom I think it was just about like how she looked so put together even when she was walking the landmines

she always looked put together so she should she was the most famous woman in the world. She looked great. I love Princess Band. So did I. So did I. We have got a meltdown.

Go on. A listener meltdown. It is absolutely brilliant. She says, last week, I bent down to unplug the Wi-Fi and somehow pulled a muscle in my armpit. My actual armpit.

I had to Google if that was even possible and now I'm being stalked online by ads for orthopedic bras and magnesium sprays. I told my husband, he just nodded and said, that sounds about right for your age. which somehow felt both supportive and insulting. I used to go clubbing in heels until 3 a.m.

Now I need a recovery day after emptying the dishwasher too enthusiastically. Is this it now? Do I just start collecting heat pads and saying things like, oh, that's a bit nippy for July while a blind deep heat in places no one should ever smell of mint. I mean, yeah, yeah. I really get that. Do you ever do that thing? This is the worst thing when you're in the car and you reach back behind you to get something and you pull something so painful like down your neck or behind your, should you ever do that?

Or when you're on the floor or like something gets lost behind a cupboard and you have to reach too far forward to get it and you pull that muscle. It is so painful. I am now in constant fear of what the next injury is going to be in my body. I've got my tennis elbow, my dodgy knee and then I work. I broke up the other morning, from my sleep, you've had this, from my sleep, I'd pulled my neck. Yes, totally. Sleep. I was, it was from slumber.

Yes, slumber. I trapped a nerve during slumber while we were away. This isn't okay. Oh my God, but it was the pillows. And we go back to the woman who asked, am I a widow for taking my own pillow on holiday? No, my love, you are a genius. Because if I'd taken my pillow on holiday, I wouldn't have had a trap nerve in my neck. But now I'm at the age, right?

Okay, this is my meltdown. So thank you for bringing this, anonymous lady, with your armpit pull. Now I'm at the age where I basically, if I don't exercise, no, if I over exercise, I am so injured. But if I don't exercise, I am in so much pain because I'm so stiff. So now I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing. Hashtag yoga. Because I'm just always in fucking pain. Hashtag yoga.

Yoga. You're supposed to be doing yoga. No, I'm not. Yes, you are. No, I'm not. Don't say such things You know you are though No actually what I'm supposed to be doing

As Pilates Why aren't you doing it I mean it's not like You don't know a teacher I know my sister's a Pilates teacher She's my Pilates teacher She is your Pilates teacher I know I do need to go to

I know I know I do It's just another fucking thing But then Adam and I have said No we've got to start doing He's definitely got to start doing Pilates Is he going to come to class with me I don't know That'd be weird

Why? I don't know It wouldn't be that weird actually No one really talks string Pilates I mean we have a chat Anyway, so The body is just basically Always in pain

And I was listening to a podcast this morning And apparently Yeah According to Mark Hyman Oh yeah, what's he got to say? It's inflammation Yeah Apparently if I eat an avocado

It'll sort itself out Okay Okay Okay That's definitely Definitely the fix for everything Well but that is what it all fucking boils down to Right

avocado. Well, I mean, it was just an avocado. Like, I'm being a bit facetious, but it was like, you know, nuts, seeds, avocado, whole grains, all that fucking shit. Well, you know what, we all know what we need to do and you need to get all the crap out, like, don't, according to him, don't eat a salad dressing, don't have anything that basically hasn't come from the ground because you do not know. But even that, even agriculture's changed now. And it's like, he said the reason that we've got these crises on our hand

is because of agriculture and the pesticides and how they grow everything. And it's like, oh my God, what am I supposed to eat? And he said, 73% of what is on the supermarket shelves is going to give you inflammation. So basically, I'm fucked. So basically all you're allowed to eat is an avocado, but also you have to check where it was grown

and what they planted the tree in, right? Basically, you need to start your own farm. I'm literally editing exactly what he said. You don't need to do this in the podcast, everybody. Just eat a fucking avocado and a cashew nut and you shouldn't be okay. From your own farm. Because you know what's in the soil. Well, the nuts are probably okay.

Are they? But they come from trees. What's in the soil where the tree was planted? This is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? he was saying about what is in the placenta, not the placenta, the umbilical cord. The umbilical cord, the amount of shit that is found in the umbilical cord. What?

Yeah. That then determines the baby's gut health. Well, it is waste product. So one is stuff, it's a twisted cord. So one is stuff coming in and one is waste going out. So he's talking probably about the waste coming out from the baby, is he? Or what's coming in from the mother? What's coming in from the mother?

It's all full of toxic. Please don't say microplastics because I just can't. He didn't say microplastics. They're all the rage. He might have said microplastics. He definitely would have mentioned microplastics. He said a lot of scary things and basically just breastfeed that fucking baby till your literally boobs are falling off.

Breastfeed till they're at least 12. Yes. Yeah. And their gut health might be okay. It's not even definitely might be. Yeah. Yeah. But we have done a great episode on gut health over itself care club.

Oh, it's actually cracking. It is amazing And it is I know it sounds really boring Because it's like Oh, I've heard so much about gut health This guy was Yeah, just to say

We're not the experts on that show We're just interviewing the expert He is unbelievable And Nicole's sitting there looking at me Because she's like You had a crash on him And I'd just say He was so charismatic and clever

And he spoke about the guts It's such a charming way Didn't he? He didn't he? He was not boring We didn't know this doctor's coming in we're like we don't know how it's going to go it won't great we had a great hour with him don't we everyone let's see how you got to go listen to the show

because basically I mean he is all of those things he is he was amazing in fact I think he is one of the most charismatic guests we've ever had on self-K club he was fucking brilliant he was fucking brilliant he was absolutely fucking brilliant so can we just name him because it's a bit weird if we don't his name is dr james ken Ross yeah he's also got a book on gut health. Lauren goes, and then he says at the end, oh yeah, I'm writing a new book. She goes, what's it about?

I'm like, what do you mean, what's it about? He's just talked about gut health to us by the past hour. No, but he wouldn't have written two on the same thing. Well, it was about gut health. It was a different twist. Anyway, Lauren is very, very taken with this guy. I really was. And the whole into you, and I was editing it.

I was giggling away to myself because you were like quite giggly and very taken with him. you're like, oh, yes, James. Oh, I know, Jane. Oh, absolutely, Jay. She was very into it. I love a clever man. But he really does know his stuff. Yeah, he does.

And he was very interesting. So that's over at Self Care Club. And it's called Gut Health by Dr. James Kinross. Thank you. Why don't you DM him about the avocados and see what he has to say? I'm telling you, that is what, this hour and a half, it might have even been two-hour podcast on Jay, chetti that is what it brought me down to was eat an avocado okay well that's a simple rule

isn't it yeah but then there's a problem with the there actually is a whole problem with that because now people are eating too many and then they're not paying the avocado farmers fairly and then there's like a shortage of avocados and so there's a whole because there's like a whole avocado issue because of all the la hipses and their avocado sessions because mark hyman keeps going on about eating avocados there's actually issues in the avocado world so now we're in an avocado shortage. And I can't even get hold of an avocado. That's what I'm saying. It's problematic. And also, the avocados that I get, I'm sorry to say, they're from Akado, which is A.K.A. M&S. And they come in a whole load of plastic. That's probably not good for me either.

That's not going to help my gut health. Should we ask James what to do? I don't know. Maybe you just need breastfeeding more. Oh. Who's going to breastfeed me? I don't know. I don't put that out on TikTok because weird men will answer. And I'm not down for that. Should we go? I'm feeling creeped out. What way to finish though.

I'm feeling creeped out by my own comment. You've given yourself the ick. Yeah, exactly. That is new. That is new for autumn 25. I'm giving, I've decided. My new thing for the new season of 40-ish is to give myself the ick. Well, I have.

We'll be back next week We'll be back next week I was trying to think of a different way of finishing the show Because I really don't want it to be It's okay Sometimes it just goes how it goes It goes, yeah, well done Anyway, we'll be back next week

You can be in touch with us, hello at 40ish.com. We're actually back this week Yeah! We're going to be back on Thursday Go us Go us and go you And we're so happy to be back And tell us what's

going on with you and your midlife issues we're nosy and we want to know your problem we do we really do well we want to be a part of your lives yeah that's all i feel like i talk to my 14 year old i just want to know what's going on with you uh we'll be back Thursday see you then bye