40ish - Awkward Invites, Admin & The Green Bin

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

Today on 40ish: The ladies are feeling truly middle aged. Nicole’s eyesight has decided to take early retirement, while Lauren laments the sheer amount of time it now takes just to look presentable -never mind actually nice. A listener wants to know: what do you do when you’re invited to the hen night but not the wedding? (Awkward doesn’t even begin to cover it.) Meanwhile, another listener is officially over adulthood being 99% admin and 1% fun. We’re talking endless logins, two-factor authentication, portals for everything (and don’t even mention the green bin sticker)  It’s a midlife meltdown… with reading glasses. We love to hear from you! To share your feedback, dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife please be in touch at: Email [e-mail] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 This episode is sponsored by London Nootropics Get 20% off at LondonNootropics.com with the code 40ISH Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Please be in touch. Be part of the conversation. We want all your stories and rants and feedback. We do. We love it. We love it. What's been going on? This is what I have noticed.

And I do think it is a deeply 40-ish thing. How long it takes me in the morning to just look normal? I'm not talking like, look, nice, extra nice, just... What's your version of normal? Presentable. Just to go from morning hag to I am fit for public consumption. The length of time that is now taking me is much longer. Like, how long did it used to take and how long is it now taking?

But you know, like when you're young, really young, you can just wake up, the face is fresh. The more disheveled the hair, the better it. looks, you don't really need makeup because your skin's useful and glowing. I think I've always needed makeup. And now it's like a whole thing. We need the thing. What's the thing? You've got a shower. You've got to wash your hair. Did you not always have to shower and wash your hair? No, because the more bird's nasty and then you just shove it up in a bun and it looks so great and you've got youth on your side. What about the shower? Yeah, but it's okay. It's not. It's not. You've always been a bit weird with showering but I'm not a sweaty person neither I might be a few days yeah but I'm not in

the gym remember you go a few days without showering I can definitely go a day I can definitely skip a day definitely that is we've had this conversation so many times it blows my mind I'm not into overwashing it's not good for you anyway you you make so much shit that is true it is not according to who dermatologists wellness experts oh my god overwashing yeah you could strip your skin One shower a day is not overwashing. But not showering for one day is also totally fine. If you've not been running around. It is fine.

I don't think it's fine. Oh, I do. And I'm cool with that. I think we should do a poll. Fine. We'll do a poll now. Now? Yeah.

Okay. How do we do that? Well, we say to the listeners, listeners. We need to know whether you think it's okay to not shower every day or if it's just normal to shower every day? We just keep it simple. Do you shower every day yes or no? Yes or no?

Well, yes, but your argument is also about overwashing is not good for you and I don't think showering every day is overwash it. We need two poles. Okay. Do you shower every day yes or no? We need to do this on Instagram as well. Yeah. So look out for it, listeners.

Oh, yeah, look out for it. Stop your work day to look out for the poll. No, we need to do the poll. Okay, we'll do the poll. is, do you think overwashing? It's overwashing to wash every day. Yeah. Yes or no.

Yeah. Okay, we'll do the poll. By the way, anyone that says yes, I disagree, violently disagree. And I'm also fine with you, so whatever you want. What I'm saying is, everything's taking more time. You know, everything's looking worse. But hold on, you've only got the shower and the hair wash.

And the makeup. Like, to cover up under eyebags, to like, open your eyes up with some mascara to find some blusher that puts some life into your face all of these things need to be done just to get to base base level i have to say i've said this for years years well i'm just noticing it really yeah well i mean lucky you then because i honestly i think i've been saying this for about 10 years like it takes so much time just to look normal normal yeah not even like glammed up oh no i'm not talking like afternoon i think i'm I'm actually getting to the age, right.

This isn't my most footage thing. But I think I'm getting to the age where I need less makeup. Oh, yeah, that also happens. Because you put so much on and then you look older. Yeah, caked in makeup. Yeah. So now I find it quite difficult to put eye makeup on because I just think it just ages me. Oh, really?

I need mascara, obviously, to open my eyes up. But anything else is like it's hit and miss how that shit's going to go down. Well, I don't really wear foundation anymore. I just do a bit of bronzer and a bit of blush but now I'm finding like I need a pinker blusher to like, hello, my face is awake. You don't have a base on your face? Oh, that rhymed.

I can make a song. I don't. I kind of stopped the foundation. Because of what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah, because I think you can look older. And then, right, so I was thinking, oh, I was wearing Charlotte Tilbury Foundation for ages

and I always like think, oh no, and I need something else. And then I went back to my OG foundation that I've worn for years Bobby Brown and they're like 38 quid these foundations whether it's Charlotte Tilbury or Bobby Brown it doesn't matter I mean unless it's Chanel which is more 50 is it 50 now right

so they're expensive and they're an investment yeah right yeah so I went over to Bobby Brown which I haven't worn for ages because I've been too busy with Charlotte Tilbury no no no doesn't work for you anymore doesn't work for me anymore it's too dry on my skin yeah you need like the vitaminia that's what you need English Is that the Chanel one, isn't it?

I think it's a Chanel one. It might be a Neves Saddle one. No, I think it's a Chanel one. Yeah, you need like one with a glow. Anyway, I've gone back to Charlotte Tilbury today. Right. And I think it's better. It's better.

It's just. So it wasn't the Charlotte Tilbury after all. Sorry, Charlotte. That's my 40ish thing. What is yours? My 40ish thing is I can't see. I know I've said this before that I can't see. Well, I'm bringing it again because now I really can't see.

Yeah, I've so. I can't even see with my contacts in but I was fine I swear to you I was fine on Friday I was fine on Friday when I was playing paddle because it's you know it's long distance right so I put my contact lenses in for paddle

and it was fine on Friday Sunday I get to the call it's not fine I can't see oh yeah so then on my first game I had to take my contact lens out and put my glasses on oh no right on my second game I have my

I put both contact lenses in because sometimes I just put them in one eye because that's what the optician suggested right yeah yeah so I put them in both eyes yeah couldn't see put my glasses on over my contact lenses

oh wow and I could see better okay that's all kinds of wrong you've got to go back now I could go back but I've only just been yeah I think these things happened like

really suddenly because two yeah two weeks didn't the same thing happened to me. I could see and then suddenly I couldn't see a menu. I just couldn't read anything at all. I can't see anything now. Now I don't know whether it's my reading site, my long distance site, like I do not know where I'm out with my, you're lucky I recognized you. It's only because you're sat in the right chair. It's only because you know my voice. And then someone was walking

past me this morning and I know her. I know her really well when I was walking dog. And all I saw was dark hair white dog. And I thought, oh, that's such. I hope that's such and such because I'm about to say hello but other than that she was a blur that's not good i know it's a kind of perfect shitstorm of if you've got something wrong with your eyes anyway like your short-sized or long-sized it anyway plus age you get this weird melting pot of just fucking blindness which is what happened to me i'm short-sighted then i got older and then i just couldn't see suddenly and then i think well i've only just been two weeks ago so surely there's something wrong with what i'm doing but i can't Make up, but I can't see.

Can't make that shit up. You know, sometimes you think you're due on but you're not due on and then you think, oh no, it's in my head. I'm not due on. Yeah. Like that kind of, can't do that with eyesight. I mean, I am sorry to tell you this, but you know, I've got my very special bifocal contact lenses now, which rocked my world, changed my life, no reading glasses, it's all perfect.

As of this weekend, when I was reading the paper, I noticed it's not that perfect anymore. So you can't see. Mine are also one that something's changing. This is not great. And then I was in a shop. the other day and they had some readers. There's really cool readers. So I put them on and it was a plus two. I've never been a plus two. And I thought, well, let's just see, shall we? Yeah. Well, that shit on my phone was clear as day. Oh dear. I might have some 1.75s I can give you.

If you want. Don't tease me now. Okay, before we dive into your dilemma is a very quick disclaimer. We're not doctors or healthcare professionals or opticians. So if there's an issue you're seriously struggling with, please contact a qualified expert. What's our dilemma today? Hey ladies, hope you're well. I need your take on a slightly awkward one.

I'm 33. Young. Our listeners are skewing younger. I bet she can see. I bet she doesn't. need four million contact lenses and a pair of glasses just to play a sport. And she can probably just wear all the makeup she likes. Or not. Or does it need it? So my friend, let's call her Tasha, is getting married soon. We're not inseparable, but we've been good friends for years,

birthdays, brunches, breakups, the lot. Anyway, I just got an invite to her hen night, which is a weekend in Marrakesh, apparently a whole thing, matching t-shirts, her man, cocktails, the works. However, I just found out I've not been invited to the actual wedding. That can't be right. At first, I thought the invite had just been delayed, but no. I know it's not a big wedding, but it does feel a bit off to be good enough for the hen party, but not the main event. Now I feel torn. Do I go to the hen and be the fun, supportive friend, even though I'll be watching her walk down the aisle a day later via Instagram stories?

This is so awful. Or do I politely decline? Because honestly, it stings a bit, and I don't fancy spending a few hundred quills. celebrating a wedding I'm not actually invited to. You'd be lucky to get away with a few hundred quid for a weekend in Marrakech. What do you think? Am I being petty?

Or is this a bit of a cheeky move on her part? Oh, you're not being petty. You're definitely not being petty. I mean, that is an interesting one. That is an interesting one. It's a bit of a chutzpidick to say, come to my hen night, but by the way, you're not coming to the wedding.

I feel like we need a few missing. details. She said it's not a big wedding. Yeah, I was about to say how big is the wedding? Is it just family? Is it like 30 people? The thing is and what what this highlights is how they both see each other as a friend, like what position they see each other in their lives. And it might be different for both. Yes. So there's the first sting. Yes. She might see her as a much better friend than the bride sees her. Yeah. So there's the first thing. Yeah. So there's the first thing. Yeah. Because I had this with when it was rule of 30 through COVID and I had my daughter's

but mitzvah. And we had rule of 30. Yeah. And actually there were a few people that I did, I did feel bad that I couldn't invite, but I thought, and someone got really gnarkey with me about it, really gnarkey, sent me a really shitty text. How did they even know that they weren't invited? Because someone else was invited and told them.

I guess so. Right. And I said to her, can we just be. honest for a second. Am I in your top 30? Oh, hoax? What does she say? No, she never replied. And she never will. And I never saw her. No, I have seen her again. It's fine. But it would be weird if I was in her top 30. Like, we weren't close at all. So it was like, can we just have a real moment here? Like, it's okay that we're not in each other's top 30. It's, I'm okay with it. I hope you are too. to play devil's advocate could it be that if it is a very small wedding she wants to include this girl

as part of the kind of festivities but she just can't invite her to the wedding but she wants to be part of the head night because she values her gorgeous what a lovely way of looking at it could it be that i love that but also doesn't that require a conversation yes i think that's the missing part i think the missing link is listen i've only got x amount of people at my wedding It's mainly family and a couple of my closest oldest friends. I wish I could have you. I can't, but please come to the hen night so that at least we can do some celebrating together. Because if that was said to me, I would be like amazing, totally, thank you.

Well, it puts it into a perspective, doesn't it? Here she's just left wondering, A, why am I not invited? B, what now I've got to show up for you and be part of the bridal party, but I'm not actually at the wedding. And also, wouldn't they all be talking about the wedding at the hen night? Also, I have another question. Yeah. you don't generally the bride doesn't arrange her own hen night that's also true generally it's her bridal party a sister a bridesmaid someone else yeah is arranging that so true so could that be that has she

given her a list for the hen night has have they gone rogue and they've done their own list and assumed that she was invited yes like there's a lot of missing links here my feeling from her email is that she doesn't want to go because she's saying it stings a bit i don't fancy spending the money on a wedding i'm not actually invited to so if that's how you're feeling don't go like go in good grace or don't go i think i think it needs a conversation i really do and it's a horrible conversation to have to have but i think it requires a conversation it is a bit awkward agreed but don't you think it needs to be talked about if she feels able to call the bride and just get a bit of clarity then she might have more information on which to make her final decision.

But right now, with what she's working on, I would say don't go because you're clearly feeling a little bit resentful. But it's such a point, isn't it, by not going? Also, it's not like going for dinner in your town. Yeah. It's a proper weekend away, which is going to cost probably five, six hundred quid, if you're lucky. Yeah.

Because you've got flights, accommodation and spending money. I mean that doesn't come cheap But then she won't have to get an outfit for the wedding She won't have to buy a wedding present So Listen I think if you can bear it Have a conversation It would be like

That's the grown up thing to do I think But I understand why it would be immensely awkward The conversation should be coming from the bride The bride might not even know Who's invited to the hen night You know That's what I mean

That there's too many unknowns here, which is why you need to get clarity. Yeah. Get some clarity. But where's she going to get clarity from? Whoever's organised it? Whoever sent her the invite to the head night? What's she going to? Do you know how many people are going to, what did she say her name was? Tasha's wedding.

That's the clarity you want. Well, do you know how many people are going to Tasha's wedding? Is it very small? Are you aware that I'm not invited? I tell you what she could say. I think she needs to take it to the bride. And she could say to the bride, I got your invitation for your head night. Thank you.

Just a quick conversation because I actually feel a bit uncomfortable saying yes because I know I'm not invited to the wedding but I'm invited to this. So I just wanted to have a conversation about it and then see if the bride takes over. Yeah, maybe she's on a B list. I don't know.

Yeah, but then she's going to know. She will know after that. Well, unfortunately, this shit doesn't. It takes its toll on a friend. friendship quickly. You know what's better than the one big thing? Two big things. Exactly.

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while passive aggressively staring at a guy hogging a machine yes Nicole you are not a gym Karen. Thank you. Two people switching and doing many sets is outrageous. Who wouldn't get impatient? It was 20 sets. It was actually 20 sets. I actually saw that guy this morning. Yeah. In the gym. Yeah. And I thought to myself, God, he's got no idea. He's been all over social media. He's been all over my podcast. He's got absolutely no idea who I am and the fact that he's been spoken about. Thank God. Emma says, I'm with Nicole. Definitely not a gym, Karen. This winds me up. it's exclusively a man thing in my experience it is and then when they're finished selfishly hogging the machines they wander off without cleaning their sweaty ass prints off the seat

despite my gym's strict cleaning policy it's tedious it is it is it is and then someone else said definitely a gym caron oh i saw this one i would have done extra sets too how kind we add extra sets not just reps got to say i just keep looking and never ask them as i hate someone asking me it takes me as long as it takes. Is that a man or a woman? It was actually a woman. Right. Well, you know what?

I'm really sorry to tell you, but that is really bad Jim Etiquot. It is. That's just not how it works. There's usually one machine of something and everyone wants to get on it and just share it. Okay. Right, what's your meltdown?

Okay. Haven't you just had one? Yeah, I had one on the way here, but it's so tedious. No, no. What do you mean? I'm not reliving that. What do you mean? I'm not reliving it.

I don't want to relive it. Please, I can't relive road work, rage. What amount of done did I just have? Oh, about, I've just had one about my eyes. You've just had one about your face. My face. No, this is a whole new one. So we're on week two of half term and my husband decided I don't really know why that he would work from home.

He doesn't, he never works from home. Oh, my husband works from home all this way. I know, but mine doesn't. So usually he's gone at 7.30 with the child. Takes him to school, goes to the office, done. But he decided to work from home. And you know, it like, it started really early because we were on half time. So it was like 8 o'clock and he got up to do his teeth and then came back and then got into bed on my side.

Oh, dear. With the look, with the look. And I was just like, go to work. I was like, you are, like, you are joking me. It's eight, don't, you know anyone who's met me knows not to speak to me at 8 a.m. Don't be coming for cuddle. No. No, cuddles or cuddles plus.

He wasn't coming for cuddles. He was coming for cuddles plus. And then he was like, you look lovely this morning. You look sexy. Well, if your most fortyish thing is anything to go by. I know, you look sexy. And I was like, look, don't be rude. You're just being rude.

He's like, I'm not, you look lovely today. I'm like, oh, my God. And then breakfast starts. And then he's like, I think I'll work from home today. And he has his coffee. And I've got like all the bed linen, all the laundry. It's the worst. for laundry. And he went, that does look very overwhelming. I was like, yeah, welcome to my

world. And then there was lunch. And then there was like stroking of the face. What do you mean lunch? He wanted lunch because he was working from home. So what are we having for lunch? And then during lunch there was like stroking of the face. You look pretty to death. I mean, that's going to carry on until you give it to him. I basically said to him by about two o'clock, this is what we would call sexual harassment in the workplace i am sitting here trying very hard to do my work i am concentrating and you are constantly interfering with me touching me stroking me yeah that's that's really inappropriate sexual harassment it was sexual harassment because i was like if you are working from home work from home this is not touch up your wife i don't think your husband can be

lost you can't use that he's not sexually harassing you you're married to him sorry i'm What the sexual harassment comes with the directory. With Ollie on this one. Okay, well, my meltdown is I've been on holiday and I came home and our flight was delayed, which is really annoying because all I wanted to do was get home and get the fucking washing on. And you know when you've left holiday, like you're done? Yeah, you're done. You just need to be home.

Get the big wash on. Get the big wash on. Make sure there's mail. Get in front of that shit. And then I just thought, I got so much satisfaction out of getting all the washing done by Sunday morning. I got home on Saturday night. Welcome to my world. And then I just thought, no, this is not okay.

I basically spent my Saturday night doing washing and you know what? I didn't hate it. And that is not okay. Are you turning into me? Yeah. No. I can't know. This is not okay.

Saturday night. Even I went out on Saturday night To be honest I didn't get home until half a six Okay So I wasn't we weren't You weren't gonna go out No one was going out

No But you know The big wash Satisfying I'm not happy about it So satisfying though It just is It's just a fact

It is It is It is especially when you've been On a holiday Where you can't do any washing And like Everyone's like I haven't even got a pair of knickers

I'm like just give me 20 minutes And you will Yeah Yeah And we were playing paddle very early the next morning I was like

I've literally not got one item of sports where it's all dirty I'm like don't worry about it I'm doing the big wash yeah I did

I'm going to resolve all that shit for you and I did you're going to have a plethora of sports kit to choose from

yeah by 8pm it was done wow wow you don't mess around with the big wash I really don't I really don't

I really don't What's the listener meltdown? It is as follows. It's from Kelly. She says, Hi, Lauren and Nicole. Please, can you read out my rant and agree with me? Well, probably.

We normally do, don't we? I didn't agree with the gym, Karen. I don't want to promise up front. No, the Jim Karen I'm not agreeing with. No, you don't have to. I can actually have another Karen moment about that Jim Karen comment. I really could. Like, I really feel like, Karen the Karen.

Because if I met her in the gym, I just think, I would, I would just, we would not get along. Okay. We would not get along. And then I would tell all my mates in the gym, I'd be like, she has got really bad gym etiquette. I would. I'd spread that shit. Wow. Bitchy much.

Yeah. But this is about Kelly. She says, can we talk about how adulthood is 90% admin? Forms, emails, logins, two factor authentication. Oh, the logins. I feel. like a part-time office manager for my own life. I need a password just to view my other passwords.

This week, my green bin collection sticker needs renewing and my dentist wants me to sign into the portal. I don't want a portal. Oh, the portals. I don't want a portal. I just want to book an appointment on the phone and go in. Also, there are too many bloody WhatsApp groups. Yeah, that we know.

There's class parents, the friends, the parents of my kids' friends, and a random one called Ladies Night 2017 that still pings, half the messages are just who's free Thursday followed by nine people applying saying can't sorry I want to start a new WhatsApp group

called everyone shut up and I'll be the only member I also want a holiday where I'm the only person in the hotel apart from the staff who are all mute thank you Kelly oh Kelly you sound a little overwhelmed

Kelly I think this time to go to the doctor and get a little bit of estrogen I don't know how old you are, but unless you're on it, and this would be the time where it might need a review. Because Kelly is overwhelmed. And all of that is true, and I relate to all of it. I do too. But also, when you've got estrogen rushing through your system,

it doesn't feel quite so irritating, because it feels very irritating when you don't. I feel like she just feels that every single thing is a thing. But it is a thing. It is a ball. Like the portal I get. Yeah. The doctor's portal and I've never got the password and you just want to read.

You just want the fucking prescription and I get it. I get why they have to put it behind a portal. I mean, you had a whole thing this week. We had to go on to some like payment thing and it took you about three weeks. And you were on holiday and I had to say to you when you're with your phone. I need a code because you'd set it up. So the code only comes to your phone. I couldn't get it to come to my phone.

And I can't get into anything until you. you're sent a code and then you tell me the code and I put the code in. Oh, it's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. It was a whole thing. Yeah. Can we just be a little bit honest for a second? What happened? Me giving you the code. Yeah. Was not the difficult bit, was it? No, I did get in. No, I know, but there was a lot of conversation about this platform. Oh, this platform. It's basically, we have to send one invoice to one company, one time only. We're not like employed by them. It's an ongoing thing. But rather than just email and invoice over like normal people, we had to set up. I mean, I think it was as complicated as like some space endeavour. There was a portal. There was a this. There was a number. There was

another number. It's taken weeks, six weeks, just to get to the point where we're able to upload an invoice. Who knows if we'll ever see that money. Well, we have to. Who knows? It was a lot of money. We will see it, but also the fact that we left that in your hands. Which you're very capable of doing. You are very capable. But I know it takes a lot of brain power. And a coffee and a bit of a pep talk before I head in to the portal. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I've got a like, there's this invoice that keeps coming in that is wrong. And I need to speak to my insurance about it today. And I just. Oh, no. I hate that sort of thing. You know, I actually, as you were reading this out, I thought, shit I've got to I've got to do and it's giving me anxiety but this was like when I had to do all the

America admin when Zach was going to university and wow the paperwork to go and be a student in America it's a lot of papers I just hate admin I hate it well Kelly also hates it I'm I am with you Kelly I am and it does give me a lot of admin and also the green bin collection sticker needs renewing I don't even know about that yeah yeah I actually ask Ollie to do that what what is that You know like your green recycling bin with all the garden waste? Yeah. Well, that is not free. That one you have to pay for and they will only, when they come around with the truck for the green bin,

they'll only take it if your green bin has a sticker on with an expiry date. So you have to pay extra and renew it. I think I need a renewal. Well, there you go. You see. Because they haven't emptied mine for a long time. That's why. Because you have to pay.

You have to pay for it. Yeah. What about my council tax? Forget it. The council tax is going into the roadworks and I'm not getting on to the. the road works because I will actually have some sort of breakdown in the studio. All roads lead to road works. All roads lead to fucking traffic lights right by your house. Temporary lights by my house. They are always there. I might move just to get away from them. I actually, because I have

to pass through it to get to that gym. I know. And I just, I just can't deal with it. I'm just going to go to the other gym. I just can't. Couldn't even get to your road today because they always also shut just at the end of your road. For some reason, there's always a temporary light there. Always. Always. Oh, what is that? I don't know. I really don't know. People are trying to keep us apart. They really are.

And this morning, they nearly did. Yeah. I thought you were going to impose. I actually sat in the car and I thought, I'll just have a little scream for 10 seconds. Then I'll pay for the parking and get out the car. Because otherwise, I don't know if I can record. I thought, oh no, because then Nicole's going to be there before me.

She'll probably order me a coffee. And if I have any more caffeine this morning, something bad might happen. Did you actually scream? yeah yeah you actually sat in your car had a little like seven second seven seconds full scream and then that's little is it well that was as much breath as could come out seven seconds scream it was about that long yeah fucking hell yeah that is you see this is why i go to the gym and do you know what else was combined with that i had also braked quite suddenly because in my fury to get around this temporary road closure's lights and my phone had

dropped between the seat and the car, between the seat. Oh, lovely. That's lovely. So I couldn't get my phone. So I had to scream, stop screaming, get out the cup, get the seat to go right the way forward and then dig around to get my phone, which didn't add to the mood. Didn't you then want to get back in and scream again? I did. I did.

I really didn't. So hold on, you'd parked up. Yeah. I need the information. I had parked. You'd stopped. You'd parked. And then you said, right, now I'd need to scream.

And then you got out. You moved the seat forward. Dig around for my phone. Right. Because I couldn't pay for the parking because I couldn't get to my phone because my phone was stuck. Yeah. It was a whole, it was a whole thing. Oh, and breathe.

Yeah, I do better. I think that meltdown was better than your other one. Do you? What was your other one? Sexual harassment at the workplace. Which is not fair. To be honest. Just not fair.

Okay. Should we go? Do you want to go and have another scream? Maybe. little one yes maybe we'll do we'll do eight cents half a valiant maybe maybe you should take some mushrooms or maybe a mushroom coffee mushroom something magic mushroom the calm oh yeah zen yeah okay i'll have one of those before we record the next show i see if we can hear the different really good idea we will be back next week thank you for tuning in if you want to be in

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