40ish - Beachwear, Baggage and Mummy’s Boys

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

This week on 40ish: Nicole is on a bikini rampage. Will she find the perfect two-piece, or is it time to just set the girls free and go full Euro-topless? Meanwhile, Lauren is locked in mortal combat with a new TV setup, and frankly, the HDMI cable might win. A listener wonders: is it weird to take your own pillow on holiday?  And another writes in about a full-grown mummy’s boy. We say: Oedipus, schmeedipus — as long as he’s not still breastfeeding, it’s fine. Join us for questionable wisdom, topless beach strategies, and midlife dilemmas we mostly make worse.   To buy tickets for our live show in October click here: https://cheerfulearful.podlifeevents.com/festival/40ish---live-from-cheerful-earful-podcast-festival-16-oct-2025-tickets?clientside_routing=true We love to hear from you! To share your feedback, dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife please be in touch at: Email [e-mail] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 Get 10% off Daily30+ today. Go to zoe.com/daily30 and use promo code 40ISH10 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with a man with long hair? No. But I'm 48. Like why am I gonna do that? If I was ever to go out with any other men they would probably be bald. Four of you going in three carry-ons? Is he on drugs? Hello everybody welcome to Fortier, I'm Mika Holgerman, I'm Laura Mishcon. This is the podcast that navigates the challenges and absurdities of Forty-something life. Every episode what do we do? We discuss issues, problems, rants, midlife moaning. It's a really positive space.

It doesn't have to be a positive space because there's a lot of shit that goes on in midlife that we are talking about. Not everything has to be a positive space. No, no lot of shit that goes on in midlife that we are talking about. Not everything has to be a positive space. No, no. We're not Holly Willoughby for God's sake. No, sometimes we just want to talk about the shit that's going on in middle age. Even our own shit. In your late 40s. It's a lot. Late 40s. You are. Sounds so depressing when you say that. You are in your late 40s. I'm aware, I'm aware. I just don't like it. Why, why? I actually don't mind being in my late 40s. I really don't.

I really do. There's certain things I really do mind and there's certain things I really don't mind. I'd really like to be in my late 30s. Why? It was just better. Better how? You didn't know me in your 30s, that's nice.

I didn't, but everything was just higher, tighter, smaller, better. I mean that I can't argue with that logic. I can't argue with that logic. But also, yeah, you do have to work for things to be tighter, smaller. What was the other ones? Higher. Higher. Yeah, you have to work very hard to keep it there. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, yeah. Anyhow, what was your... I mean, you're not exactly like, you know, on the ugly list, are you? Falling apart. I mean, look, you're a very attractive, lovely woman. What's the matter with you? It was better 10 years ago, I'm just saying. I didn't

know 10 years ago. It was better. I think you look better than most women in their late 40s. I do. I don't know if that's true or not. And you don't do anything. I do very very little. That's annoying. Don't forget that we have a subscription on Apple Podcasts, which we would love you to be part of. All you have to do is go over to Apple Podcasts and for £4.99 a month, you get bonus episodes, you get everything ad free, that's this show and Self Care Club, and you get early access. So please come over. We would love to have you in our subscription and we would love you to be in touch. So if you want us to talk about your dilemmas, hello at 40ish.co.uk or if you want to contact us via our socials at 40ish.podcast on Instagram, just let us know what you're thinking. Let us know what you're experiencing.

We want to hear from you. We want you as part of the 40ish conversation. How's your week? Long, long, long. It's only Monday. I mean, it's Monday morning. How long has it been? You set me up. Why are you asking how my week was then? It's been long, okay?

I know it's only Monday. I know we're still not past midday, but it's been long. That's bad. Let's talk about your week. Okay. We got a new TV. Right. Now, we only have one thing.

We have a new TV. We have a new TV. We have a new TV. We have a new TV. We have a new TV. We have a new TV. We have a new TV. We have a new TV. We have a new TV. about your week. Okay, we got a new TV. Right.

Now, we only have one TV in the house, because you know, the posher you are, the less TVs you own. Someone told me that the other week. Who told you that? I can't remember. Do you think that's true? I think that is a knobby thing to say. The posher you are.

Yeah. The less TVs you have. They had like four, five in their house. Who told you that? That is not a thing. And you've now grasped onto it. Oh, I must be, you are posh though. I'm not, but I was only saying it

to tell the rest of the story so it makes sense. Because we only have one TV in the house, no one in the house noticed that the screen was blue and has been blue for many months because we don't have another TV to compare it to anyway some friends came over they were like why is your telly blue? I don't understand how you can have one TV What do you mean? You don't even have a TV like you've got a playroom obviously your kids are much older, but an extra room downstairs

You didn't even have a TV in there there was a monitor there's a monitor in there for the PlayStation they don't watch TV in there no they can't because there's no TV I don't understand that they don't know anyway the long and the short of it is you can only watch TV in one place yes how do you get away from your family then legitimate question everyone's thinking it like how do you get time alone away from your family? Sometimes if I just want to watch something on my own without being in the communal space. Oh, but it's different because your bottom floor is open. Everything's open. So you have a communal space. Mine is an actual living room with a door. So I haven't got people milling

because the kitchen's not attached to it. Because if someone's coming down to make popcorn or someone's making a cup of tea and there's always movement in that house. I can't bear it. Well, that's because your whole bottom floor is open, but mine isn't. So that's why it's different. Anyway, we got a new TV because basically it was completely bust, completely, completely blue. And apparently that's an unfixable problem, according to Sky. So they replaced the TV for another one, which was lovely of them. Great.

Great. But I was out when the new telly came and Olly took in the box of the new one and then let them take away the old one, which left me with zero TVs, because the only way of watching the new TV was setting it up alone. Oh dear. Oh dear. And can we just give this a little bit of context, if you are brand news at this show, we were just in Gales getting some coffee before the record, and Josh happens to be with us, Lauren's 12 year old son, and he basically taught you something on the phone of how to search for an app. Lauren was going into the actual app store to find her apps. I thought that was how you found apps. I'll be honest with you, I still don't really understand what he showed me. He was like, oh my god, just go on the screen and just swipe it. He showed you a search button.

just go on the screen and just swipe it. He showed you a search button. That's all. I didn't really get it. He went you anyway point is is everyone now understanding why Lauren's setting up a brand new TV is probably not the world's best idea. Where's Zach? Where's your 19 year old son? He can do this. He was on holiday. Oh I know it was really bad. And your other 21 year old son is. Well luckily thank god he was home. So I said to Ollie what do you mean? I know I've got bad and your other 21 year old son is well luckily. Thank God. He was home So I said to Ollie what you mean? I've got now you're he was going away for work I said you're going away for a week. You're leaving me with zero TV Like what what am I actually supposed to do with my life? Yeah, you're way Panic was setting in yeah, he was like it's fine

Just literally plug it in stick in an HDMI cable and it will tell you what to do. And I'm thinking, have you met me? You've been married to me for nearly 25 years. And HDMI, what? What? And he went, Max, Max, please help me. So Max and I did it together. When I say together, I mainly sat on the sofa and watched him do it and helped him with vague bits, like putting batteries in the remote control. That was my job. Well done. Thank you. Thank you so much. Well done. Did you get the right batteries? Well, the thing was it came with the batteries. So that's so bad. Thank you for admitting that. I didn't even have to search really. That could have been a very small win for you. So we did it. I know it could have been, but it wasn't

even that. So we did it. We set it up and then we're going through the light. It wants to do things like calibrate what picture do you want, the brightness for this, that and the other. And then it wants to know how is the signal coming in. These very complicated questions. Is it under new TVs? We haven't had a new TV in a long time. Are they all like AI generated and all like, you know, well, there just seems to be a lot of, can you do the hey Siri business to it? Probably, I don't know, I wouldn't. Why am I asking you? Why are you asking me? Why am I doing that? Anyway, so Max, I go out and do something and I come back in and Max is on the phone. He's saying, okay, I've got this da da da da da TV. And I want to know if it's an aerial or a cable or this

or that which thing should I plug it into and then this guy's talking to him and he's like you're taking too long and you're saying too many words. Who said that Max? Yeah just give me a two word answer and I'm like oh my god you're being so rude and Max is really polite. I was like who are you talking to like that? Yeah. You're being so rude.

Yeah. He was talking to AI. Yeah. He was talking to AI. Yeah. He was talking to AI. Yeah. It was like it was in person. I said, well, it wasn't because it doesn't speak to people like that. What are you doing? What are you doing? But you've told me I'm not allowed to abuse Siri. You're not allowed to abuse Siri. Siri doesn't like it. He was being like, no, no, no. Okay, enough waffle. You're waffling now. Just tell me which cable goes in this bit. I was like, no, no, no, okay, enough waffle, you're waffling now, just tell me which cable goes in this bit. I was like, I don't understand. He said, mum, you can talk to chat GPT, you can talk to them now and then they'll talk about, I've never in my life. This blew my

mind. You can't, you can't find the girls apps. I think this is a step too far for you. Just before we dive into your dilemmas of the week, a quick disclaimer, we are not doctors, we're not healthcare professionals, or are you? Just checking. A healthcare professional? Yeah. I didn't do that at the weekend, no. Okay, good. But I'm a healthcare professional. No, you didn't? You sure? No training happened?

Definitely not this weekend. Okay so if there is an issue that you are seriously struggling with please contact a qualified expert. Question one. Hello Lauren and Nicole. As experienced women of the world, I would love your opinion on this. I'm 31. I met a man through friends at work. Okay. On paper he's great. Good job. Nice shoes. Owns a washing machine. He's a good kisser. Good kissing is good. Having a washing machine and being a good kisser double win. Yeah. The first couple of dates were genuinely lovely. Then came the incident, she says. We were out for lunch and his phone rang. He looked at and said oh sorry I just need to take this it's mummy oh dear not my mom my

mother not even mum mummy he's 34 I thought maybe I've misheard but then he said hi mummy in this soft voice I have never heard him use that made me want to bleach my brain Since then I can't unhear it. I have tried to move past it But every time his phone goes I think about it. Am I being emotionally immature? Is this normal or in your opinion? Is it a legitimate red flag waving wildly? In the what breeze? Oh, do you owe to pull breeze in the edible breeze? Oh, in the Oedipal Breeze? Oh, in the Oedipal Breeze. Oedipus, Shmedipus, as long as he loves his mother.

I don't even know what that means, Oedipal Breeze. It's the man who was in love with his mother. Killed his father to have sex with his mother. That's why you say people have an Oedipus complex. I've never heard of it. Or an Electra complex fits the other way around. You've never heard of an Oedipus complex? No, never. I'm amazed well mummies boys that's what we're talking about

mummies boys how'd you feel about mummies boys I'm pausing because I don't think I've ever come across this I've never had this before hmm and yeah but my husband a very, very long time and he's not a mummy's boy. He has a very normal relationship with his mum. What does he call his mother? Mum. Yeah. What does your husband call his mum?

Mum. Yeah. Yeah. Also not a mummy's boy. Just he calls her mum. Just a normal relationship with his mother. Anyway, so I've never come across this before, so I don't know how I feel about it. I don't know if this would give me the ick, if I was dating and someone said, mommy. I can't imagine I would like it. Would it be a turn on?

No. No. No. Would it be a turn off? It depends on him. Does Adam ever call you mommy by accident? no. does he ever call you? no. no. but if he's talking to the kids he'll say da da da da da. yeah he refers to me as mummy. ask mummy. yeah. obviously he's not going to ask nicole. no. he doesn't

call me nicole anyway so he doesn't. yeah. well doesn't ollie? anyway, so he doesn't yeah What doesn't Ollie he's not gonna say? Yeah, he will always say ask mom He has accidentally called me mom a couple of times. I don't like that I don't like that. No, no, I can see why I don't like it. We're yeah, just to put this out there. Yeah It's different and I don't I'm not subscribing to this but it's different if you call the man... Daddy. Yeah. It's different. I don't do that either. I don't do it. I'm saying I don't do it, I don't subscribe to it but it is slightly different. Don't know why. Yeah. Maybe that's a total sexist thing. Definitely different. But it's different. It's not, I think it's not our generation thing. It's definitely a younger generation thing. This was not a thing when we

were younger. What to call your boyfriend daddy? Yeah. Let it go bitch. It's nothing. Let it go. You know there's no need to call her a bitch. I mean it in a nice way. I dated like dude. Bitch please. I dated a mummy's boy. It didn't go well. It didn't go well. Because you'd been married for a very long time to somebody else. I didn't marry him. I mean, should I tell you the story? Oh no, keep it a secret. That's really, that's really good for content. He is actually nice. He was a really nice guy. He looked like a young witch again. He was handsome and nice, a nice person. How old were you? 20? 20ish? Went out for a while and one weekend after we'd been going out for a few weeks said his parents were away.

I was like okay ding ding game on you know. So we went out wherever we went to and then went back to his house and we were in the kitchen and I was sitting on the counter and we'd had some toast and then we did some kissing and you know it was like you know it was Saturday night it was you know and you know it was like you know Saturday night it was you know anyway you know sexy yeah it was kind of hot you know. I hope your son who's sitting next door can't hear this. Anyway it's not going anywhere dirty I can tell you that now. I know but he still doesn't need to hear about you sitting on a worktop kissing somebody else. Anyway it's all getting very you know like hot and steamy and I know his parents are away for the weekend and la la la. He stops, he clapped his hands like this and then wanted to clear up the crumbs because

mummy and daddy were coming back the next morning and he didn't want there to be a mess on the kitchen surface. Toast mess, toast mess. Now listen, I have to say as I've gotten to the age of 48, I resonate. I mean listen, it is like more of a turn on to have a clean work top than it is anything else. If he had done this now, age 47, I would have been like, oh my god, he's a keeper. Detox that surface and take me upstairs now. Yeah. Because nothing would turn me on more than the fact that he wanted a clean work surface. But when you're that age and you're right in the middle of things and his priority is crumbs, no. Because mummy might be cross. It's a red flag. It was the biggest red flag and it ended the next day. I'm not surprised.

Come on. I'm not surprised. You're either into it or you're not into it. And if you're more into the fact that you're worried about your mum being cross about the crumbs and you are into your 20 year old girlfriend whipping her up step, forget it. No, I'm sorry. I come before toast crumbs. That's my, that's my when I'm 20. Now I'm happy to come after the crumbs. Now I'd be delighted if Ollie, Ollie should really listen to this show. He'd learn so much about you. I mean, if Ollie was like, stop, stop, we must stop kissing now. I need to detox this surface and wipe it clean for the morning and then we'll go upstairs. I'll be like, yes. I don't think you would. I will be waiting for you. You wouldn't. You wouldn't.

I'd love it. You wouldn't really. In reality waiting you wouldn't you wouldn't I'd love it you wouldn't you wouldn't really in reality you wouldn't I don't like toast crumbs now but I was fine I hate I hate toast crumbs but also if I'm in the middle of it mmm even I think maybe even I can let that go do you think maybe it's not definite So I was at, I was at for lunch last Sunday with my husband and we were at this really gorgeous place. The food was fabulous, it was really cool, it was in Queen's Park, it was a sunny day, it was just vibing. I really can't pull off that word. You tried. Well done. You nearly got there. You nearly got there. Did I?

It was too much emphasis. If you just set it in a more breezy way, like try it again, like, yeah, we were just there and the food was amazing. You know, it was just vibing. Then I would have been like, okay, that's a bit weird, but I'll let it go. No, but then I wouldn't have got away with it, would I? Would I? You know, you could pretend. Okay, yeah, it was vibing, yeah. Yeah, and it was vibing. Okay.

By the way, we're going on Saturday night. Oh, yeah, we are. You and me. Yeah. Yours is he. I'm telling you it's vibing. Well, it's vibing on a Sunday brunch. I'll assume it's vibing on a Saturday night. Yeah. I've got to stop saying vibing. Yeah. Stop now. Stop now. When we get there. Yeah. Right. You're going to know what I mean. I'm sure I will. You will. Anyway, there was two girls sitting next to us and they had just finished their breakfast. And I don't know why, I'm really nosy. So I'm always liking to hear conversations around me.

Cause I always like to work out what the situation is between people, whether they're married or they're dating or they're girlfriends or their family member. I just, I love to know people's dynamics. Yeah. Anyway, so I was like, stop it. I'm like, I just couldn't stop listening. And anyway, this one girl started talking about how old they were. She goes, I just can't believe it. Just can you believe how old we are? It's just

unbelievable. Anyway, she goes, I must go to the loo. So she gets up, she goes to the loo, she comes back, they pay the bill. And then she said she said it again. She's like, I know, I'm just going to go home now. And like, because, you know, I'm just really hungover and I just just can't believe how old I feel I mean can you believe that we're about to finish University fuck oh yeah fuck oh let me tell you something you're fresh out the uterus yes that age yeah that wasn't vibe you still're still covered in vernis at 21. I mean what? Can you believe we're about to finish university? That was my son's age. He's about to finish university next week. I know. He's not old. Does he think he's old? No. He thinks

he's in the prime of life. She said it about four times. Anyway then they got up and Adam looked at me because he'd heard that I'd heard them and he'd heard that and he said don't just just just I saw I Think I have to say something. He's like, please just let it go Twice your yeah, and I'm still trying to convince myself that I'm an old so fucking do one Yeah. Wow. Do you want to hear our second question? Yeah. Hi Lauren and Nicole, please help me resolve this marital dispute. And I love the marital disputes.

And by that I mean take my side. I was literally about to say, because I haven't read the question, I'm sure I will agree with her. I'm 45 and I now pack my own pillow when I go away. Not because I have a bad neck although obviously I do but because hotel pillows feel like sleeping on a pancake of disappointment. Oh yeah pancake of disappointment. I used to travel carefree but now I'm stressing over lumbar support and fiber density. My husband is annoyed at us having to pay

extra for check-in luggage this summer because I refuse to travel with just a carry-on even for a four-day trip because my pillow needs a suitcase and he says I'm being ridiculous. Is this just part of aging or am I becoming insufferable? Good question. Good question. Why can't she just carry the pillow with her? I guess she could. Bit bulky. You've got a whole thing. Also, you and I have got temper pillows. Imagine lugging that around on your arm. My daughter takes a pillow with her on school trips. Does she? Her own pillow. She doesn't when we go on holiday as a family, but on a school trip she takes her own pillow.

Is that for the familiarity of the smell of the pillowcase and like so she feels like she's got a bit of home with her? It's not for lumbar support. It's not. I don't know what it is. It's a comfort thing. I find it immensely annoying and I'm not even going with her. You do find it annoying. Do you travel with your own pillow? No. I'd like to. Listen, I think it is a sign of ageing because no 20 year old is ever traveling with a pillow. They're just not they don't need to know. I also don't travel with my pillow. But I have to say I am so happy to get home to my pillow whenever we go away anywhere, anywhere, I always love the pillows. And then the first

thing I say to all years, it's not like our pillows. I'm always disappointed. You're never going to go to a hotel and get a temple pillow ever. I need a temper pillow. So do I. But I also need a temple pillow and then a soft pillow. What are the pillows? Ayela. Ayela. Yeah, yeah that they sent us. That they sent us. They're like, I love them. I'm not. They're like a cloud. It's like sleeping on a cloud. cloud no I don't sleep on it my neck so I have it like under my in between my legs from my back support oh okay okay all you did have another tantrum about our pillow situation the other night you know how there was that person who wrote in the throw cushions yeah how many there he was like throwing why he was like throwing them why Why do we have

so many cushions and pillows on this bed? I can't even get in because of the pillow. I was like, just stop complaining. I love pillows. I just need pillows. I love pillows. I'm into it. He just wants one pillow to sleep on. Adam also sleeps on one pillow. I mean, what is that? Weird. But it's good because I can nick his pillow and then I have a third. sleeps on one pillow. I mean, what is that? Weird. But it's good because I can nick his pillow and then I have a third. Exactly. I want a nest, a cocoon basically. Yeah. So last year when I had a very bad back, I bought myself a V pillow. Oh, a boyfriend pillow. The full length pillow like you have for pregnancy. It is a full length of the entire bed. Yes. The pillow. I know that. It's enormous. It's as big as me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I used to call it my, when I was

pregnant, I used to have one. Fucking hell. On your side, under a knee. That shit. Yeah. Because every part of your body that you want supported is supported. Yeah. Maybe that's what I should tell the, yeah. It's supported. Yeah. I used to name it my boyfriend because I would sleep with my bump on top of a bit of it, my leg under one bit of it, my arm under it and it would just hug me all the way down. Anyway, yeah. It sort of snuck its way back into the bed a few weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. And I've had to remove it again because it's just not, and you know what, my husband, bless him, he doesn't say a word. Doesn't complain, doesn't say a word about your pillow festival. Anyway,

I'm feeling her. I'm feeling her. You know, maybe she should just say to him, do you know what? We'll go out for one less meal while we're away and that'll cover the cost of the extra suitcase because those bastards do charge you a lot of money for a case now. But that's why I think she should just carry it with her. We booked for a week away in the summer and Ollie rang me yesterday and he said, so I've booked the flights and I've booked this and I've booked that and I've booked for like three carry-on cases. I said what? I can't put a week's worth of stuff in a carry on. That's just toiletries. Yeah. And pick up. Yeah. I said, you've got to book. He was like,

but this, but the carry ons came with the flight. I've got to pay extra for that. I was like, just pay extra and get us a suitcase. Are you mad? Do you know me? Have you met me? Hold on. I need a suitcase. Firstly, where are you going? Where are we going? Yeah. Montenegro. When? In August. Literally you are not here the entire summer? Correct. That's a nightmare. I know. Well not for me. I mean it's great for me. It's terrible for trying to record podcasts. Hold on and there's three of you going? There. Four of us going. Four of you going and three carry-ons. Is he on drugs? What do you think we're traveling with like one toothbrush and a bikini? Well he but he can you see that's what's so annoying. I can fit a week in a carry-on,

I'm not good for you. Yeah but no one likes a fucking shake off. Now book me in case. Yeah, but no one likes a fucking Yeah, what about your hairdryer I don't take a hairdryer or no Lude What do you do with your hair? Put it in a mum bun. Oh, you shouldn't do that You should take a hair dryer. Sorry just to add to your luggage. Who the hells have hairdryers? Are you joking? I know it's like like someone It's not a hair dryer. It's not on your hair. That is not a hairdryer. I know but you're very very particular with your hairdryers. No I just like my hair to look nice. But I'm fine with a hotel hairdryer I don't care. You should care. Or I just won't dry it.

You should care. I'm happy to just let it go free on holiday, just go wild. Oh, natural. I can't do that. No. My hair's too short. Oh, that's true. I can just go like... Also, to be honest, normally I do just stick it up, but I can't do that this year. What am I going to do with it? So why is it fine for you to have a ponytail and not fine for me to have a mum bun?

I'm a mum and I can wear a bun. Because it's a mum bun. And that is like a real giving up on life moment. No, it's like I'm on holiday and I'm feeling relaxed about things, haircut style thing. Well, I don't want blow dry by the pool. You don't have to blow dry by the pool. Just don't do a mum bun. I can't bear them. I'm allergic to them. I am. That furry judgy wudgy was a bear. Very judgy on the mum bun. Oh you've never had a judgement about me have you not? Not about your hair. I think a mum bun. I wouldn't give you any reason to have a judgement about me. Look at my hair. I think

a mum bun's quite cute. No it's not. It's not. Why? Because it's not. Because it's mumsy and it's not. It's not okay. Mum buns are not okay. It's like man buns. They are not okay. Oh, they're okay on Jason Momoa. They're they're not okay on anybody. I disagree. No, I'm telling you I I'm allergic to mum buns and man buns. Man buns are what the hell? Came up with this idea that a man should have a bun? Sometimes I find them really hot and sometimes I find them absolutely repulsive. Yeah. It depends on the face and the body attached to the man bun. You know what I mean?

But I still believe that who if there's some god-like figure attached to the man bun, he would be better without the man bun. He would still be a godlike figure but yeah actually with just some decent hair like I would never ever ever consider going out with a man with a man bun would you go out with a man with long hair some likely like waist-length hair no no I'm 48 like why am I gonna do that but If I was ever to go out with any other men, they would probably be bald. Don't even have to worry about waist length there. Have you ever been into men with long hair? It's never been a thing for me. I went out with one guy. I'm sure I've told this story before. He had long hair. How long? Like shoulder length. Like long. Oh, like my length. Yes. It was

very similar, but no fringe. Okay. That would have been really weird. If he'd had a fringe. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. We went on one date and he picked me up and my dad was waiting by the front door and I'm like, no, no, no, no. And I told him like, don't come in. Don't come in. No, your dad would have such a good one line for that, wouldn't he? Anyway, so when I came home, I went out and then he dropped me home and I came home and then my dad said to me the next day, he'd been peering out the window and he said, how's Michael Bolton, alright? I love it. And that was the end of my phase with men with long hair. I don't know how we got from pillows to long hair, but here we find ourselves. I was in this hotel in America once and I was in the bathroom and these two women came

in with Michael Bolton t-shirts on. This was not the 90s. This was like not that long ago. Listen, I loved him at the time. So did I. Loved him at the time. How am I supposed to live without you? Anyway. Now that I've been loving you, I was a mega fan. I also loved him, but you know, probably hence this date. It's quite dated. And this was like a few years ago and they've got matching Michael Bolton t-shirts on. And I just had to talk to them about it.

Right. How can you not? Right. And I think he was in concert nearby. He was. He was. No, not here. This is in America.

No, but he did a tour. Like a local tour. He did a... No, he did... Oh. In America, did you go? Not in America, in London. Oh, did you go? I did.

Did you? Recently. Did you? I went with my mum and my mum's best friend at the Royal Albert Hall. Oh, Auntie Marilyn. Auntie Marilyn. Went to the Royal Albert Hall.

Yeah. And we saw Michael Bolton. How was it? He was amazing. He was amazing. Yeah. And no man bun. Has he cut his hair? Of course amazing. He was amazing. Yeah. And yeah, no man bun. Of course he's got his hair. How does he look with short hair? Better. Well, he doesn't have the quality of hair anymore to have it, you know, okay. Michael Bolton like. But do you think, is

it like his Samson? His voice is still raspy and amazing and he was amazing. Did Auntie Marilyn love it? We loved it. We loved it. It was a great night. Michael Bolton. I loved Michael Bolton. Anyway, well that went really middle aged, didn't it? That went really middle aged. Please let us know if you love them. What other podcast are you ever going to listen to where they discuss the link of Michael Bolton's hair? It's never. There is no other podcast unless there's a podcast called Michael Bolton's Hair. There probably is. There probably is a Michael Bolton podcast somewhere. That must be. Those megaphones. Those women

probably have. They probably. What? They founded it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember that couple that we met at one of the award shows that have a Robbie Williams podcast? Yes. Yeah. And then we just asked them a million questions about Robbie Williams. Yeah. They were like really, very serious about Robbie Williams. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. It were like really serious. Very serious about Robbie Williams. Yes, like yeah. Yeah. It was like weird how serious they were about Robbie Williams. Yeah. They knew everything. Like everything. Everything about Robbie Williams. I really wanted to say to them, don't you think he's a bit of a prick? But I couldn't because they were really- No, you can't say that about Robbie. That's not nice. I can because sometimes he is a bit of a prick. Okay.

You know what I mean? But they were so into him. Well, they were like really into him and he sent them a bottle of champagne that night because they were nominated for an award. Yeah, which is obviously I bet he would love that. Well, who wouldn't? And then they were in the bar drinking the bottle of champagne. Yeah. They didn't give us a glass. Anyway, this doesn't help this woman with her pillow problem. I mean, I would say take the pillow, tell the husband. Fuck it, you know what? Life is short. I mean for fuck's sake. Also, life is short and life is hard. If you want your pillow, take your fucking pillow. Being middle-aged and in your late 40s, you know, things ache and hurt and whatever, just

take the pillow. And if that's his biggest problem with her, they've got a good marriage, you know? Like who could be bothered to argue about this shit? Take the pillow. Enjoy the pillow. Have the pillow. There you go, lady. That's right.

Okay. That's this week's show. I feel exhausted. I'm not surprised. It's been a long week, Monday morning. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm show. I'm so exhausted. I'm not surprised. It's been a long week, Monday morning. Michael Bolton and I can't actually remember one other thing we've talked about. It's been a lot though. You can listen back next week and then you'll hear the content. I'll edit it. We're going to be back next week. We're going to be back on Tuesday with the Mount Filtered. We are. Yeah. We'll see you then. We'll see you then. advice pod, more of an audio panic room. Join us every Monday for the main ep and Wednesday for your turn where we hear your teen tales past and present. Teen Commandments, find us where you get your podcasts. Yes, teenagers, pick up your wet towels. And don't call us bruh.