40ish - Belly Piercings and being allergic to your HRT patch

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

This week on 40ish Lauren and Nicole win an award, Nicole’s allergic to her HRT patch and Lauren is panicking. We ponder how old is too old for a belly button piercing, the maternal (slightly weird) joy of sniffing our children's heads and a listener queries the handshakes of today.  We would love to hear from you!  To share your dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife please be in touch at: Email [e-mail] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I know. I know. Okay. I'm sorry, but also fix it. It was over quickly. But I felt... But I felt somewhat startled. What the fuck are those sad 40-something women doing with some complex handshake business?

Like they are a couple of road men. Like, they are not. Hello everybody, welcome to 40ish. I'm Nicole Nicole Goodman and I'm Lauren Mishkun. This is the podcast that navigates the challenges and absurdities of 40 something life and with solving all of your dilemmas. We are attempting to. Every week we discuss your problems, your issues, your rants that you have kindly shared with us and we also divulge some of our own stories about the mess of navigating midlife. you have kindly shared with us. And we also divulge some of our own stories about the mess of navigating midlife. How are you this week?

I'm a fucking award-winning podcaster. That's how I am this week. How are you? I am also an award-winning podcaster. Go us! Go us! We won an award at the British Podcast Awards. And if you want to win any award it's this award

it's basically like the oscars of the podcasting world well we disagree on this because i think it's more like the baftas the baftas always feels like a sort of slightly less attractive younger brother of the oscars do you know what i mean no but it's the british version of the oscars which is what this is that but in terms of podcasting, it's the highest accolade one could win. Yeah. Yeah. Therefore, the Oscars. Okay. Yeah. And we've won it. Well, we didn't win it. We won silver. Well, we won silver. Yes. Gold went to a breast cancer podcast. And I feel like, you know, fair enough. Fair enough. They deserve it. And they also don't talk about, you know, sometimes we won the award for Self Care Club, by the way, the other podcast that we host. And we sometimes talk about light.

Light hearted things. Drivel. Drivel? Our award winning podcast? You've gone very posh. Drivel? Is this what happens when you become an award winning podcaster? You never use the word drivel.

I've never heard you use that word. Ever. Anyway, so we won the award. Yeah, we did. And we were very happy. And there was a whole thing with the awards because Lauren wasn't really involved in the whole award application process, which is a long process. And when I emailed her to say

oh my God, no I didn't email her. When I called you to say oh my God, we have been nominated for a British podcast award. Her words were I didn't email her when I called you to say oh my god we have been nominated for a British podcast award her words were I didn't even know we entered I'd forgotten she

I don't know if you'd forgotten I had or you just cocked a deafen maybe a bit of both cocked a deafen because basically what happens

is that when you enter into these awards the submissions take weeks and weeks because you have to find pieces of audio that are like three minutes long that basically define your entire show. And it's an arduous process.

And then you have to do a whole essay about your show and why you should win and blah, blah, blah. And it takes a long, long time. So then I'm sending Laura all these pieces of audio. Listen to this and listen to this and listen to this and listen to this. And then eventually she just starts ghosting me starts ignoring my messages don't you yeah because you just can't cope with it no why because all i'm doing for like four days is

listening to you and i talk whilst driving around everywhere and then i just get sick to death of listening to us yeah because welcome to my world because i edit us i know because then when i'm not listening to us i'm actually talking to you in real life. So I just feel like apart from when I'm asleep, there is no respite from the chat. Anyway, did we come home and feel like totally congratulated, but, you know, by our families? Well, my husband was away.

Treasured. My husband was away. My husband was asleep because we did get home at midnight it was quite late yeah we did get home at midnight

which is fair yeah and I did text him when we won said oh my god we won silver and he texted back so can I just say

right before we move on to that bit once we'd won the award Lauren was somehow very interested in the award oh yeah I was invested at that point

at that point she was quite into the whole thing quite into the whole I'm an award winning podcast you invested at that point. At that point, she was quite into the whole thing. Quite into the whole, I'm an award winning podcaster. You're into that. Yeah, I like that bit. You like that bit. Just saying, just saying, because we're up for three more awards at another awards ceremony.

And when I told you we were up for three awards, three awards we're up for. And you didn't even get your head out your phone. You didn't even put your phone down. And I said, do you not care? And you not really but actually you do care secretly i care i just didn't want to get my hopes up you know well i delivered what can i say yeah don't say i don't give you anything you you do you are welcome lots of things lots lots lots of things anyway so what happened when you got home well ollie was asleep i had texted him during the evening to say you know we won and he was like that's amazing congratulations

i'm really proud of you but so ollie is not that interested in our show no ollie's quite a serious guy he's got a serious job yeah yeah he is not going to be listening to especially 40ish but he's definitely not going to be listening to self-care. He never has, has he? No, he's never listened to it. And we've done 570 episodes. No, he hasn't read our book either, even though he's in it. And we talk about him a lot. Yeah, we do.

But it's fine. It's fine. He just lets me get on with my job and I let him get on with his. Yeah. So he sent me like, I'm really proud of you. Congratulations. That's amazing. But we hadn't been able to like debrief.

Yeah. You know, I hadn't actually spoken to him. Like, this is what happened. actually spoken to him like this is what happened and then we did this and then we won it so the next morning seven o'clock and i was up first and i was downstairs and he came down sort of about to leave for the school run with our youngest and he's shouting my name throughout the house like really excitedly really excited i'm like oh i'm like waiting for him to come in the kitchen and like give me a hug and like say oh my god so he comes to the kitchen he's like calling me and calling me and calling me i'm like yes yes what yes what what is it it's like like a puppy and's like, I kept meaning to tell you. I was like, yeah?

He said, I bought some bananas, but then I realised that you'd already bought bananas. So I was thinking, you know, we could do like banana cake or some banana smoothies. We could put some in the freezer. And I said, oh, I

thought that you were... What a fucking letdown. I thought that you were running downstairs to say congratulations on winning a national award. I don't think you said it as politely as that. I did. I did. I was very polite about it. And he said, oh, oh, yeah, that. That was amazing. Well done. Well done. Brilliant. Great job. And then he went on the school run. No, no. But then he said as he was going out the door, don't worry, we'll figure out what to do with the bananas.

And as I was left in my glasses and tracksuit unloading the dishwasher. As the award winning podcaster. I really felt like an award winning podcaster with many, many bananas. So many I didn't know what to do with them. My whole world was overflowing with bananas. Oh, that's amazing. And then I basically on the night. Yeah.

My daughter, my youngest, she was at home on her own because my eldest was out. My husband was away. So she called me at like 11 o'clock and she's like, when are you coming home? I said, I'll be home soon, probably in about an about an hour and she said can I go to bed because she was looking after the dog I said yeah yeah you can definitely go to bed I said by the way we won we won an award she goes oh great good night brilliant and again never felt more like a winner in my life. Let's get on with our first dilemma. Just before we dive into your dilemmas, a quick disclaimer. We are not doctors or healthcare professionals. We are just numpties who don't really know what we're doing, but we like to give our opinions anyway, which could be totally wrong and usually

are. So if there is an issue you're seriously struggling with, please contact a qualified expert. Here's the first question. How old is too old for a belly piercing? Ooh. Hey, gals. I'll get straight to it. Love her, love her, love her.

What age do you think is too old for someone to get their belly button pierced? I've been considering it for a long time, but recently it came up again when I had a bit of an epiphany about belly buttons. What's the epiphany about belly buttons? Somehow, the conversation topic in our house landed on belly buttons, and we all had a compare. They're weird, no? Have you ever noticed

that they're all slightly different? I thank God I have an innie. Anyway, after I stopped contemplating how deep my belly button went, I thought about getting it pierced again. But what age is too old for it? How old is she? She doesn't say. Well, I guess it's irrelevant to the question, isn't it? Do you think there's an age that's too old? Your husband had a very specific age and so did mine. They had the same age. We asked them this question on Saturday night. Well, they had the same age because one of them copied the other one

and I can't remember which one it was. I think Adam copied Ollie. Well, they both said. No, because they couldn't be bothered to talk about it. They both said 25. That's what they said yeah over 25 is too old why too old for what and who says have you ever had your belly button pierced how old were you i still have the hole me too how old were you when you had it pierced uh i was in

my early 20s maybe late teens okay young i was young i had mine pierced on my 19th birthday and this is so me i had decided on my 18th birthday that i really wanted it done but i thought i have to make sure that i really want it so i'll wait a year so me isn't it and i waited a whole year till my 19th birthday and then i got it done but the thing is if you don't want it you just take it out well you say that Nicole but you and I are both still rocking a lovely scar and hole in the middle of our bodies yeah but you can't really see it have you ever noticed mine I've never noticed yours but how often do you look at my belly button I actually when you were reading that question out yeah I actually thought I don't think I've ever seen your belly button i mean i will show

it to you if you would like to see it i will clarify i just think there's so many things i know about you it's a very but i don't know whether you have an innie or an outie such a deep innie right it's like it almost goes back to my spine wow yeah yours is It's in, but it's not like really in. I would say mine is a very classic. Classic. Classic. It's classic. It's a classic belly button.

No, because there's not a lot of things that are classic about me. Oh, that's not true. Apart from my hair. What else? Classic. What else is classic? You have a nice face. It's not classic.

It's not classic. No. No, that's true actually yeah I'm not a classic person am I but your belly button is you could be quite classic no I don't think so I think so my belly button is definitely too innie to be classic okay so I was 19 and you were around about the same sort of age yeah and then I took it out when I was 28 I took mine out when I was 25 because I was pregnant and I didn't want it to stretch. And I actually lost mine. Oh, wow.

How? Oh, I don't want to know that story. No, I definitely do want to know that story. Oh, no, it must have been 27 because Adam and I were on our first holiday together. Spill it. And we were having special cuddles on the beach.

Oh. Yeah. And I love that for you. You know what? I loved it for me too. But I did lose my belly button ring and I never put it back in because I just thought... It marked the moment. You know what? I'm still talking about it. 20 years later.

The night I had Marked the moment. You know what? I'm still talking about it. 20 years later. Hmm. Mm-hmm. The night I had mine pierced, my 19th birthday, I was also having special cuddles. And... That must have hurt. I don't really remember. We went to sleep.

And when we woke up the next morning, we were both covered in blood. Like, my torso and his torso. i thought oh my god oh my god either of like got some period in the middle of the night or we've been stabbed or like what the fuck has gone on here but it was so much blood from a belly button so much so much i guess you're not really supposed to have special cuddles the night you have your belly button pierced. That's what I mean. It must have hurt because it's sore.

Well, anyway, it was a lot of blood. You know what? I think there are a lot of rules and expectations and societal demands on women. I know there are on men as well, but I'm just talking about on women. Yeah. If you are 45 or 40 or 55 or I don't care how old you are, if you want a belly button piercing have a belly button piercing because you're doing it for you that is my feeling on it I don't think it's such

a statement in order to get one just get one enjoy it if you don't like it take it out it's not a permanent thing it doesn't matter it's a bit of fun if it makes you happy and it makes you smile you do it i mean i love that whole feminist speech and i'm here for it but i disagree why i feel the the age is not really the issue you could be 40 45 50 could you be i think it depends on the state of the torso that you are piercing if it is a torso that is not a feminist thing no it's not but if it is a torso where you are wearing a cropped t-shirt and it is looking on point fabulous do it if you are someone who's covering your torso because you know, you don't want to be exposing it to the world, maybe that's not the sort of thing

to get pierced. But the belly button isn't on your torso. It's right in the middle of your torso. It's lower. It's still your torso. This is your torso. It's all your torso. From under the bosom, well from the top of the bosom down to the vag. It's all the torso.

I think the fashion now is a high-waisted jean and a little cropped t-shirt. You would cover the belly button. You would. You would. But surely if you're having it done, it's because you want to show it off. If I turn around to you next week

and I said, do you know what? I'm going to get a belly button piercing. I think it was a bit weird at your age, but I also think it would look good because you have the figure where you could expose it and it would be fine whereas if i did it it would be like no mate put it the fuck away that is really mean it's not me it's just very truthful no it's not very my torso

flashing crop top days are done and i am fine with that i had them it looked great that's why I got my belly button pierced because it was on show all the time all saints Natalie Appleton Melanie Blatt and me great but now but now no now no cover it up no one wants to see it including me fine but what if you have it and you don't show it off why have i got it then for you no so why are you wearing those earrings i feel too old for a belly button why are you wearing those earrings because you like them yeah i like them there we go why is it any different for a piece of jewelry in your belly button than it is in your ear i'm not saying there is a wrong or right i'm just saying at this juncture in my life i feel that time has passed but you're saying that a woman can only get her belly button piercing

if she is looks a certain way that's what you're saying rocket if it's looking great if it's not looking so great maybe give it a miss also my 16 year old got her belly button pierced last year it's not appropriate for me to get one too she looks great because she's 16 and she's got a flat stomach precisely and she wears all the shit that she's supposed to be wearing at 16

that's that's kind of my point there's no number do what you like do what you like oh now she's do what you like I need to tell you something. Okay.

Now, you're sitting down and I just want to say everything's going to be fine. Oh my God. Okay? It's fine. I'm panicking. Because we're going to work through it together. Oh God. Okay? What is it? It's been. I'm panicking. Because we're going to work through it together. Oh, God. OK? What is it?

It's been happening for a few weeks. Oh, my God. What is it? And I didn't know how to tell you. Are you trading me in for Tess Daly? Tess Daly? Yeah. Why Tess Daly?

I don't know. Because she's got dead eyes. I don't know why. That's a bit mean. Sorry, Tess. No. What? Here's the thing.

Yeah. I think I am allergic. I know I am allergic to my HRT. What? And I have to change it. What? Yeah. I thought you were going to say that you think you're allergic to my dog.

I love Barker. No, I know you love him, but you think you're allergic to my dog. I love Barker. I know you love him, but you could still be allergic to him. But I wouldn't be allergic to him suddenly five years later. What do you mean you're allergic to HRT? What the fuck? How have you hidden this from me? Because I didn't want to panic you. Okay, I'm already panicking.

And also because I feel like you and Adam are the two that it would affect the most. Who suffers the most through Nicole's premenopause? Me, me and Adam. Yeah. Okay. What's going on? Right. So basically I'm on the patches.

Yeah. But it's the glue. It's the glue. Yeah. And so it depends. Sometimes I'm allergic. Sometimes I'm not. But I'm finding like most of the time I have to take the patch off and put a new one on.

And they're only lasting like a day because I get so itchy and rashy. Oh, this is very, very bad news. I know. I know. I know. I know. Okay. I'm sorry.

But also fix it. Fast. Or I'm going on holiday for a long long long time so i'm just telling you this is what's happening what the fuck are you gonna do i don't know because i've still got the patch on and i'm just kind of suffering through with it because the patch really works for me apart from the itchy rash can i just say if they are able to send people to the moon and rockets up to mars surely they can invent a hypoallergenic HRT patch. Surely.

It must be possible. But then that's going to change the glue, isn't it? Yeah. Because the HRT lives in the glue. Oh, I see. I thought it lived in the middle bit like a plaster. No, it lives in the actual glue. Isn't the whole thing sticky?

Yeah. There's no like bit in the middle that's like a plaster, is like cottony no you can ask me again the answer is still no i've never actually seen one so i don't know you've never seen one no i've never seen one i'll show you i'll show you it's very exciting okay so the whole thing is made of glue and the glue is tiny and it's about that big. I see. This is great info. It's like the size of a 20-pence piece. It's tiny. Okay. They must be able to mix up the HRT with a hypoallergenic glue. Surely.

Well, so far I don't know about that and they haven't. So that's not going to help my hormones when I have to take this fucking patch off. It's also not going to help you and it's not going to help Adam when I'm spiralling. Okay, me and Adam are going to go away for a very, very long time. Leave you to sort yourself out. We'll solve it. If anyone out there has some sort of medical company and you can

find some non-allergic glue. You can't be the only person who's allergic to the glue. You can't be. It's not possible. There must be millions of women allergic to that glue. And what are they all doing? It's back to the gel. I can't use the gel. The gel set me into like a lunatic.

You'll have to take the pill one. Can you do that? I think I want to do the implant. Is there an implant? There's an implant. Wow. It hasn't been FDA approved here. It's been fda

approved in america we don't live in america i know that's why i haven't got it but i reckon that would be totally they implant it it's there for six months done and then you have to change it once every six months how easy is that that sounds good but it does involve like needly shit so i don't mind that okay okay what i would say is please don't as my children say raw dog it please don't raw dog it was that just like do nothing just come off it and do nothing yeah please don't do that i would never do that okay great excuse me would i ever do that i don't know yes you do you do know you do know if someone said is Nicole going to rule docket, I still don't know what that means. I've just told you.

What would you say? What would you say? You'd say, no, she wouldn't rule docket. I'd give you about a week and a half's grace. Is that all you'd give me? Because you can turn quite fast. I know. I know. That's why I'm warning you now.

We'll be fine. We're going to be fine. Don't worry, I've got it on. It's on at the moment. I'm moving on to our next dilemma. This is a funny one. Hi there, Nicole and Lauren. Oh, another one.

Another one with Nicole and Lauren oh another one another one with Nicole and Lauren maybe maybe are things taking a turn maybe it doesn't have to just be Lauren and Nicole maybe it can be

Nicole and Lauren maybe it can it just sounds weird to my ear it doesn't sound weird to me I don't give a shit about being first

hi there Nicole and Lauren I stumbled across your podcast and the idea of some support to navigate this wonderful age really appealed. Thank you. Loving your friendship.

She's loving it whilst you're on the HRT. Yeah, no one's going to love it when I'm not. No one loves it that way. Please can we talk about handshakes of today? Right. Okay. I don't know the last time I shook someone's hand. I shook someone's hand yesterday. So did I.

Where were we? We were and they were women. And at the time I thought, this is very formal. So did I. Where were we yesterday? Shaking two people's hands. No, it wasn't yesterday. Where was it? It was on Friday, Thursday. Yeah.

We went for a lunch. We had a meeting about a show did we shake their hands we must have done because i've done this recently yeah and i thought why am i doing this yes at the time i thought this is strangely formal okay i recently met a fellow mum in my daughter's class and i stuck my right hand out in greeting okay let's let's demo it. That's quite male. That's quite male, isn't it? It was over quickly. But I felt somewhat startled.

Startled, great word. I'm not sure I kept the what just happened look off my face. I'm 45 and I would guess this lady's age to be 12, maybe 15 years younger. Yeah. The gap felt like a chasm. Do I need to get out more or start saving for the walking frame? Okay. That is an interesting dilemma and one I have not come across before.

Well, interestingly, though, we both had the same reaction to the handshake. Yeah. But if we'd met these two women and they'd gone like this, I'd also think that's fucking weird. Isn't that like a fraternity kind of thing?

So my 11-year-old's taught me this one and I have to do it when I greet him and it's the only one he'll allow. You're going to have to explain it because we're on an audio platform. Okay, so you bring your hands up apart. You have to do it when I greet him. And it's the only one he'll allow. You're going to have to explain it because we're on an audio platform.

Okay, so you bring your hands up apart. You have to do it with me. Then you have to slap them together. No. And hold. Slap and hold. Then draw your fingers apart so the fingers are touching like this. Oh, you're very intimate.

No, like this. Slap quickly like that no like that slap that and then up in the air put your arm up in the air get it yeah that's what he's taught me to do which one the young one josh yeah the older two are like normal adult children you know yes like slap fist up it's like our greeting. Is that how you greet your 12-year-old now? That's how he enjoys greeting me. And he also enjoys saying goodnight to me like that as well. I'll take it.

At this point, I'll take it. I'm not allowed to smell his hair anymore. I'm not allowed to kiss my 13-year-old anymore. I'm not allowed to kiss her good morning. I'm not allowed to kiss her at all. And sometimes, sometimes she walks past me and I sniff her. And she's like, why are you sniffing me? Yeah.

And she doesn't smell the same. I know. But she was prepubescent. I've noticed that because I still go in to wake Josh up because God forbid he should have an alarm clock or set one or anything like that. So I always go in to physically wake him. And sometimes I am tempted to like go and smell, smell his hair.

But he just doesn't smell like baby anymore. But that's fine because he is 11. But you know, that talkey, beautiful baby smell. I mean, she hasn't smelled like baby for a really, really long time. It's a great smell. But I do go in there sometimes before she's woken up. And I do have a sniff. I do.

Are we weird? or is that a normal and i sometimes just put my lips to her her arm yeah and then and then she wakes up and i think oh well i got some contact and i just say to i just need my lips to make contact with your skin just for a second please she won't let me go anywhere near are we weird or is this a normal mom thing will you tell us women moms in your 40s like is it i'm not let me go anywhere near her are we weird or is this a normal mum thing will you tell us women mums in your 40s like is it weird to want to tell your children I'm not allowed to go anywhere near I don't I'm not allowed any contact with her and I find that really

difficult my older one I'm kissing cuddling all the time yeah even my like really big boys who are six foot they do want to hug but when they hug you they're like they're much bigger than me it's not the same you don't feel like mum you feel like a small person. A bit weird.

A small older lady. A small older lady. Back to the handshaking. I think, right, just the gesture itself was quite... Blokey? Well, I said it had quite a male energy to it. That's what it felt like. But also when she then said, I think she's 12 to 15 years younger than me.

Yeah. That explained a lot. So she's 45. So this woman's 30-ish. She's not a child. But do you think 30-year-olds doing handshakes? Obviously they are. Obviously they are.

And 30-year-olds aren't millennials anymore, are they? No. What are they? Generation X? X, Y, Z, ABC. I don't know. f g i i don't know all right they're gen younger than us gen x gen you see the x or z whatever they're younger than us i don't hang out with a lot of 30 year olds i hang out with like 20 year olds like my son's age they don't do that they actually just hug or even give a kiss i ask them sometimes do you ever kiss your

male friends hello and goodbye and they did and the 18 year old they were like very occasionally yeah depending on the friend my husband always gives my dad a kiss hello I love that Sweet isn't it So cute Sweet And I notice that my dad always gives his brother a kiss hello I love that Yeah

It's cute It is cute Because women always kiss each other hello Yeah So why can't men They totally can But they don't My adult son still kiss Ollie and he kisses them.

But that's a father-son thing. Yeah. I have to say that I think if a 30-year-old came up to me with that handshake and they expected me to know what to do, I would also be quite startled. I would. I would. Because we don't know what we're doing. I mean, we don't know that that's a thing.

I would want to feel like I did know, like I knew what I was doing, though. But isn't that funny in itself? I would want to bust that handshake. Like, yeah, I do this every single day. Like me and Nicole have got our own secret handshake. We should have our own secret handshake. Why don't we have our own secret handshake. We should have our own secret handshake. Why don't we have our own secret handshake? Because we have other things to do.

Well, I think we should dedicate a little bit of time to setting one up. Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Maybe we'll get Josh to design it, shall we? He'd love that. He has designed me a few in the past.

I would love that. You love that for us? I do. Yeah. And then we could do it in public and people would be like, oh my God, check them out. They wouldn't be, oh my God, check them out. They'd be like, what the fuck? Are those sad 40-something women doing some complex handshake business like they are a couple of road men?

Like they are not. We could practice one now. So we are recording this in the Apple studios. Exactly how you would imagine an Apple studio has to be. Like, exactly.

Exactly how you would. Imagine if like, yeah. Imagine if the Apple phone made a podcast studio. Well, it's that. It's that.

It's not the Apple phone. Even the snacks are very Apple. It's not, there aren't any apples. Actually, there were bananas. No, no. Did you bring them in no i didn't hold on no apple phone yeah don't make the studios it's just apple because apple make laptops apple phone

they do a laptop they also make watches they make They also make watches, they make phones. All sorts. They make all sorts. They make studios. Yeah. They make everything apart from actual apples. But the people who are here, like in reception and listening in right now in the edit suite, they're really young. But if we made up some special handshake now and then we just like went out and pretended we were driving home separately and were like, buy then, buy, and then we did this went out and pretended we were driving home separately and were like bye then bye and then we did this complex thing. They would think we were so

cool. We should try it. We are not trying it. We are not trying it. We are at Apple. We are representing ourselves correctly at the Apple Studios. I'm telling you now that when the guy who set up like the...

Yeah, Ollie. He's a young guy. Not my husband, Ollie. And he is a nice young guy. I am going to give him like a Gen Z handshake. Oh, please don't. I am. And I want to see how it goes down.

Oh, no, please. Why? Please. Why? Because firstly, you don't know what you're doing. And secondly, he seems very nice. What about a fist bump? Very professional.

What about a fist bump? Fist bump. That's okay. That's all right, isn't it? I think I want to see the handshake. Can we just talk about the guy, the engineer that sets up here? Yeah. Professional, lovely.

We walked in half an hour late because we got stuck in traffic. AKA also left quite late. And so we were like, I'm so sorry we're late. I'm so sorry we're late. I hope we haven't kept you waiting. And he was like, it's totally fine. He was so lovely. Yeah.

And like when we walk in late with James. Yeah. Oh, James. A whole other thing, isn't it? Well, it's a whole like brotherly, sisterly vibe going on. All right. He's like, oh, you're fucking late. You're fucking late. Huh? Oh, brother's turn up then. going on. All right. He's like, oh, you're fucking late. You're fucking late.

Oh, brother's turn up then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, you've got a coffee, James? No. I've actually just realised.

In fact, he's ghosted me because I've asked him something twice now. He might be a bit busy. James? Yeah. I've realised something. I bet Ollie wouldn't ghost me. I've realised something. Yeah.

When I go to the hairdresser he's a man and he is younger than me we always fist bump we do it's actually true and I actually always feel like I always feel like you feel like you're down

street I got this is that what you feel like yeah I do what does it do does it like does it activate your

cool meter he goes like this he's like alright and then I'm like yeah alright actually

yeah actually yeah I can partake in this conversation too come on then my personal trainer who I'm not training with

at the moment just due to my back injury yeah he would always fist bump me well I'm not training with at the moment just due to my back injury he would always fist bump me well I'm and I haven't finished

okay and he actually knows your hairdresser I was about to say that's not a coincidence so I wonder who's copying who but also they know each other

they do he cuts his hair and at the end of the session yeah he fist bumps me and he goes like this legend

love it he fist bumps and then calls me a legend okay winning i would just say basically we are in with the turkish community yeah because they're both turkish yeah we're in with the turkish community great i'm feeling that brilliant tur Turkish? I don't think he's Turkish. Yes. He's Iranian. Are you sure? Yeah. I'm sure he's Iranian. Yes. Yes. He's Iranian. He's Iranian. I don't think Baris is Iranian. I think he's

Turkish. Okay. Maybe separate. No, he's Turkish. I don't know. Either way, we're down. So hold on. So maybe I do do the hand thing, but I would say I don't know. Either way, we're down. So hold on. So maybe I do do the hand thing. But I would say I would never, in my wildest dreams, initiate.

Or do it at the school gates. I wouldn't initiate. You know what's going to happen after this episode goes out, don't you? Every time we see a school mum friend, they're going to fist bump us. I don't see the school mum friends. I don't do the school run. But like friends who are mums who you see out of school mum friend, they're going to fist bump us. I don't see the school mum friends. I don't do the school run. But like friends who are mums who you see out of school, that is what's going to happen.

I'm down for a fist bump. And I'm also, just so you know, I don't mind being called a legend at the same time. That is our show on 40ish. If you want to be in touch, it's hello at 40ish. That's 40ish.co.uk.

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