40ish - Cosy, Cranky and Passive aggressive punctuation

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

Today on 40ish: Nicole publicly outs Lauren’s escalating email rudeness. Is this the moment we finally admit that yes, midlife has arrived -and apparently it’s brought passive-aggressive punctuati...on with it. Meanwhile, the pair discover that nothing makes them happier these days than being gifted… extra virgin olive oil. Not gin. Not wine. Olive oil. Nicole, for her part, is living her absolute peak existence on the sofa under a blanket with a hot water bottle like a Victorian invalid who just discovered Netflix. Plus! A listener writes in with some strong merch ideas: Housecoats and a 40ish recipe book, featuring the only things midlife people actually bother cooking anymore: rhubarb compote and air-fryer-everything. Honestly? It might be a bestselling product.  It’s cozy. It’s cranky. It’s deeply midlife.  We love to hear from you! To share your feedback, dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife please be in touch at: Email hello@40ish.co.uk Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 This episode is sponsored by London Nootropics Get 20% off at LondonNootropics.com with the code 40ISH Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:29 You know, you think you go into menopause and you're going to stop having sex and your boobs are going to sag and your skin's going to go creaking. But all of that could be true. The boobs definitely do go south, let's not lie. Not if you're Susan who works in the co-op. Do you know what I mean? Because her skin is creepy.
Starting point is 00:01:46 And her boobs are sagging. She really doesn't feel like having sex all the time. And that's not in Paris. It's just fucking sad. Hello everybody, welcome to 40ish. I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Laura Mishkorn. This is the podcast where we tackle the, come on, you use the verb today. We tackle the delights of midlife. That's the one. We're diving into the news, your stories, dilemmas, and of course bringing you our own beautiful mess. Our imperfect perfection as we truck on things. through this decade.
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Starting point is 00:02:51 That's it. And if you've got something to share big or small, we would love to hear it so please email us Hello at 40ish.com. UK, please be in touch. Please be part of the conversation. We love your DMs. We do read them, even though someone sent us a hilarious one this morning.
Starting point is 00:03:05 She was like, oh, my, my. She asked about my jumper. I replied. I replied. I actually replied telling her it was a much, much more boozy brand than it actually was. You got gifted a load of Haley Mendez stuff a while ago. Yeah, I did. A couple of years ago?
Starting point is 00:03:18 Yeah. And it really looked like one of those jumpers. Yeah, she does have one that's quite similar in her range. But you have that. No, I have a black one. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, she was like, oh, my God, you reply to your own DMs?
Starting point is 00:03:32 No, because I said, oh, it's from Haley Mendes and you wrote. I love that Nicole thinks I'm so boozy is actually from H&M. Yeah, here's the link. You can have it too for 40 quid. Anyway, yes, we do read and reply to the DMs ourselves. So, please be in touch for us. It's very sweet that she was surprised that we reply to. It was very sweet.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Very sweet. can I just say that before we came on to record we were having a conversation about being adults and you were like I love being an adult I love adulting I think is what I said isn't the same thing yeah it's the same thing it just sounds better I enjoy
Starting point is 00:04:11 I do enjoy adulting and the thing I enjoy most about adulting as I said to you is that I can go to bed whenever I want no one can tell me that's the thing that you enjoy most about adulting yeah similar vein, but I think it's that I can just, I can actually do what I want. I can do what I want. Yeah. And then I have to remind myself often, oh, actually, I don't have to do that
Starting point is 00:04:37 because I don't want to because I'm an adult. Yeah. And it's very liberating. You have to keep reminding yourself, even though I've been an adult for a really, really long time. I know. I mean, I don't feel like I have, but I really have. I know, but you think your kids, I bet they look at you as a real adult. Sometimes I find that hilarious. So do I. Sometimes I say to them, I know you think that because I'm an adult, I know everything and I can fix everything and I am like, you know, that person. But you know, like inside, I still feel like I'm the same age as you. They don't like that. Who would like that? No one likes that. But my mom never said things like that to me.
Starting point is 00:05:13 You know what I mean? Like, I just... I'm like, you know, I am still a human being. I know I'm your mom and I do everything and I'm magical, but also... Not magical. I've told you that story that my friend is, um... head of two schools but she actually when she was teaching she told me a story that she was playing this game with the kids in the class and the game was that you can take anything that you want into a hot air balloon if you had to be in a hot air balloon for the rest of your life what is the one item that you would take cyanide because i hate heights
Starting point is 00:05:44 well one i've told you this story one kid put their hand up and said i would take a mummy because they know how to do everything oh my god it's so true I love that. And also, whoever that kid's mum is is doing such a good job. It's just so much joy and goodness in that one comment, isn't there? But you know what?
Starting point is 00:06:06 Like this morning, Joshua wasn't well and, you know, you just do know what to do because you're a mum and you're just mumming and adulting. Anyway, my most 40-ish moment is, drum roll, please. Yeah. I see.
Starting point is 00:06:25 sat on the couch the other night and I had a blanket on me and I wasn't quite warm enough. So then I made myself a hot tea and then I wasn't quite warm enough because it's gotten really cold, hasn't it? Yeah. And I made myself a hot water bottle. Wow. With a blanket and a hot tea and then I just thought, I'm so happy. Can I just ask you. I was watching. You're all housewise. Everybody was out. Yeah. And this This is how I chose to spend my rock and roll moment on my own. Yeah, you actually got me off the phone. You were like, I don't mean to be rude, but I've got two hours now and nobody here.
Starting point is 00:07:03 So can you go away now, please? I did say that. I was like, I totally got it. I was like, sure, bye. Can I just ask, why? Good for me. Why didn't you put the heating on? Like, how cold was it?
Starting point is 00:07:19 Right. Your house is very warm. We have underfloor heating. Yeah, it's very warm in your house. And it's very hard to regulate. Yeah. We've lived there for like nine years and it's always been hard to regulate. So it's either very warm or it's off.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Okay. It's either one or the other. And we can never get it just right throughout the day. It will be now because it's utterly freezing now. So I think I probably had put it on, but it would have taken like an hour and a half to heat the room up. Okay. Okay. So it was like a little icicle in there.
Starting point is 00:07:50 It wasn't an icicle, but it was just delicious. It sounds good. It's really 40-ish, isn't it? It is, yeah. But it also sounds really fun. I was so happy. I had a 40-ish moment this week when I went to a Christmas fair and there was some guy there selling this like
Starting point is 00:08:06 bougie-as-fark olive oil from Spain. Obviously, I bought two bottles for Christmas gifts. I hope you're not listening, the people I'm gifting it to because it won't be a surprise. But what I realised in that moment was when I have my Christmas Eve party, I would so much rather be bought a bougie bottle of olive oil than a bottle of wine or a bottle of gin.
Starting point is 00:08:30 What's gone wrong? What's happened? Is this midlife? I think you've come out with a very controversial statement and I'm actually not 100% convinced it's true. Normally people bring me gin because people know I like gin. They're like, there's a nice bottle of gin.
Starting point is 00:08:46 I'll bring it for Lauren. So if you had a choice. Yeah. Right. If you were going into a hot air balloon For the rest of your life. Is there a full kitchen in the hot air balloon? Would you prefer?
Starting point is 00:08:56 No, you get to take one item. One item. If you, would you take, not the cyanide, a bottle of olive oil or a bottle of gin? Who should take the fucking gin? Well, if I can't cook in the hot air balloon, there's no point me having the olive oil. Is there? Who can cook in a hot air balloon? What can you do in a hot air balloon?
Starting point is 00:09:16 I would hate to drink gin. No, yeah, I would have to drink gin. The thing is, olive oil... You'd be all right if I would. there. I'd be fine. Well, I wouldn't. I'd be distracted, but I wouldn't be fine. Olive oil. It's so true. Yeah. Olive oil has become so expensive. I don't think either of us would be fine. No. You really want to talk about olive oil, don't you? Yeah, I do. Because it's like 23 pounds a bottle now. I know. It's insane. I know. Now that you've got me on to extra virgin.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Yeah, the only one to use. So I really appreciate it as a nice gift now. That's all I'm saying, and I realize it was middle age. And I'm okay with it. Okay. We've got some feedback. Someone wrote in, because we were talking about merch, that we should have 40-ish merch. She had some suggestions for our merch. Do you want to hear them? Yeah. A novelty, a novelty slipper with a gold heel.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Because we were talking about slippers being gold with a platform heel, like my grandma used to wear. But how are you going to put our logo on that? On the front. embossed in gold No but it's not gold Is it pink with gold You can see it here You could make it work
Starting point is 00:10:29 40-ish housecoats Please God I would die for a 40-ish housecoat I mean that sounds amazing Would you take that in your hot air balloon Yeah it probably would actually 40-ish recipe book featuring rhubarb compot Airfire recipes
Starting point is 00:10:43 Creamy Ninja Creamy Machine recipes And how to make a grazing table instructions This is a woman who is really listened to this show. Oh my God. What? She is... She's a mega fan.
Starting point is 00:11:00 It's not even that she's a mega fan. She is right. This is our next book. This is our next book. Forty-ish recipes. Not just recipes, but recipes, hacks, all the shit that we talk about. Like I just said on Self-Care Club
Starting point is 00:11:17 about the bowl of porridge before you go to bed. Shit like that. Okay. she carries on a 40-ish magnifying makeup mirror yeah I cannot live without mine now I actually don't put makeup on without my magnifying mirror neither do I can't now it's absolutely essential I can go one step further
Starting point is 00:11:34 go on I also put my reading glasses on I do how do you put mascara on with your reading glasses on no I take it off for like my eye makeup and stuff but if I want to get like just to check everything it's like blended and everything I have to put my reading glasses Okay. To pluck my eyebrows, I have to put my reading glasses on.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Okay, she's actually said at the bottom here, I'm not joking, a 40-ish guide-to-life book, basically a book with all the funny meltdowns and stories from your show. Who is this woman? And let's employ her immediately. Is she a publisher? I don't think she's a publisher, but I really do think that would be a great book.
Starting point is 00:12:19 We could totally write that book. But it's all the recipes that we talk about. Yeah. All the recipes that we talk about. And also, you can even put in your gluten-free puff pastry because you would have sorted it out by then. I'm not putting it in because it was a short-cross pastry and it was shit. And let me tell you something, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:38 You ever made corn ribs? Yeah, of course. Right. I made them last weekend. Yeah. Okay. And normally they are a bugger to cut. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:46 They are a fucker. They are a fucker to cut. So I don't ever make them. Yeah. Ever. Yeah, you need a really sharp knife or an axe. You need a fucking axe. And it's just, that is the most annoying part of the entire meal is cutting those fucking ribs.
Starting point is 00:13:00 I get him to do it. He's very strong. What? Are you got a hack? I have got a fucking hack. What is it? Maybe I'll wait and put it in the book. No, tell it now.
Starting point is 00:13:07 It can go in the book anyway. I want to know. You boil them for about three minutes. So they're soft. So they're soft and then you cut it it goes right through Duh! Why didn't I think of that?
Starting point is 00:13:25 I know. Why am I the maniac going to slice my fingers off trying to cut those ribs? I know. And let me tell you how I found this out. Yeah. You are all welcome at home by the way. Go and now look up a recipe for corn ribs and you put in some like paprika butter, salt, yum, chili.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Some oil, paprika, chili. Salt, that's it. Salt. Then you roast them. Whatever seasoning you put on them, put a little bit of oil on them and then I just put them in the oven and they were fan bloody tastic come and where did you get this hack
Starting point is 00:13:54 I'm in the dressing I'm in the dressing room I'm in the changing room of David Lloyd and I was telling my paddle partner about my dinner party and I was telling her what was on the menu
Starting point is 00:14:02 and I said I'm going to make corn ribs and then someone else said to me who I've never met before she said I love corn ribs I said so do I but they are such a bugger to cut and she said oh no you just boil them first I'm like hold hold on what do you mean she said
Starting point is 00:14:16 yeah you just boil them I said for how long she said I don't know a couple of minutes just to soften the insides. I'm like, I was meant to meet you today because I'm going to remember this for the rest of my life. Well, thank you, changing room lady. And now I'm making them again this Friday. And can I just say, if it was your new paddle partner who'd given you a cooking tip, I would have been mega-brogus, because I'm really glad it wasn't. That is the truth. Let me tell you something that one. That is some honesty. Let me tell you something about my paddle partner. Firstly, I love that you are jealous. I know you do. I love it. And I don't
Starting point is 00:14:48 feel like you tell me enough. But tell her, she better not start giving you cooking tips because that is crossing a line. We haven't even discussed cooking. That's crossing an invisible line. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. She's treading on my toes there. There are other people in my life that I discuss cooking with. I just want you to know. Okay, fine. But not her. Not her. Because she's new. Yeah. She's new. Right. So let me tell you something about my new padder partner. Because of spending quite a bit of time with her. Yeah. A new female in my life. But the last new female in my life was you. Yeah. And I come out with comments that I think I'm telling someone that I know really, really well.
Starting point is 00:15:23 And then I remember that I don't know her that well. And I told her something today about something about sex. And then it was 8 o'clock in the morning. And then I said to her, I don't know why I just said that. Because I suddenly remembered that actually she doesn't know me that way. And I said, just so you know, I am actually not one of those people that talk about sex a lot. And I don't really know why I just said that. But sometimes I feel like I know you better than I do know you.
Starting point is 00:15:45 But then you look at me. and then I remember that we don't know each other very well she looked at me and she went okay yep that says it all
Starting point is 00:15:59 and then she's like I've got to go bye and then I remember I'm actually not talking to you yeah you know because I could say shit like that to you
Starting point is 00:16:10 you wouldn't bat an eyelid literally like over it you wouldn't bat an eyelid in fact I probably never would have said that sex comment before I met you? No. It's actually your fault.
Starting point is 00:16:21 I'm not sorry. And now she thinks I'm some like nymphomaniac. No, I don't think she does. She actually said, why did you just tell me that? I don't know. Snap up Ancestry DNA's lowest price ever in our incredible cyber sale with 50% off ancestry DNA kits. It's the perfect time to help a love. one unwrap the past and with their latest update they'll discover their family origins like
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Starting point is 00:17:29 I think she says it in here. I do lots of driving for work, running the kids around, teens, around, etc. And you've made me look forward to my journeys, which used to be so mundane. You're welcome. Anyway, I was listening to the podcast where you were talking about plastic bags in plastic bags in plastic bags. Oh, that was brilliant. And I want to share my primary use for plastic bags other than shopping. As I work part-time and we've got five kids, teens between us,
Starting point is 00:17:52 I sell a lot of clothes that are no longer worn on Vinted for a bit of extra cash. Oh, my Vintage Sister. Plastic bags are the perfect packaging to send parcels rather than buying parcel bags. Yes, much better for the environment. I also save the packaging from purchasing items online and I reuse them too. But I have a question on that. Hang on. She's not done.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Not only does it provide a use for the bags, it helps the environment. It does. I agree. Win, win. But. Yeah, but does it bring down your rating? No. Absolutely not. No. Absolutely not. Because Josh always sends everything in plastic bags and no, he's got a great rating. Keep up the great work. I'm often giggling to myself in the car and other drivers probably think I'm a maniac but I don't care. So many people say that, don't they? P.S. she says, I forgot to add that I meticulously fold my bags up to save space so they end up in a triangle much like half a sandwich. I searched on I have a TikTok or YouTube for a tutorial, and this bag system makes me happy. Steph, age 42, from Norfolk in the UK. Do you know what, Steph? I like your style. I knew you'd love that. I don't resonate with that at all.
Starting point is 00:18:58 She doesn't stuff them in a bag, in a bag, in a bag. She folds them in a triangle. That's so Marie Kondo of you, Steph. Yeah, but hold on, Steph. How do they stay folded in a triangle? Don't they just pop open again? Well, she's obviously got some amazing, like, can you DM our stuff? tutorial please step i want to see it for my own plastic bag and collection steff dm asked the
Starting point is 00:19:20 tutorial and then we'll put it on our socials because i reckon a lot of people want to know that yeah i bet they will but this is what i love about our listeners hack after hack after hack oh here's the lady this other lady you were talking about before hi i am struggling with my mental load five kids a husband i'm a part-time nurse i've got a toxic ex-husband school governors i'm currently setting up a pta and a small crafting business why are you setting up a ptie a Oh, are you doing that? Been off that. You've got enough going on.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Yeah. It's probably why, plus all the dramas. Oh, you, sorry, to put this into context, she wrote in to say she's a fan of the show. You said, how did you find the show? And she replied with this. I'm struggling with my mental load. Five kids, a husband, a part-time nurse.
Starting point is 00:20:01 I've got a toxic ex-husband school governors currently setting up a PTA and a small crafting business is probably why, plus all the dramas with my kids recently. So I entered mental load into the search bar on Spotify and the podcast came up. I listened to that one first. Must be self-care club. I got hooked.
Starting point is 00:20:19 Then I heard about 40-ish on self-care club. Love them both. You keep me sane. Thank you. You're welcome. I've got an article for you. Kate Winslet, 50. She only 50?
Starting point is 00:20:31 Yeah. Says women in their 40s are conditioned to fear aging. I thought this was quite good for you. Go on. My ears are pricked. She appeared on how. to fail podcast with Elizabeth Day. Actually, that's completely escaping,
Starting point is 00:20:45 but I'm going to have a listen to that because I love Kate Winslet. And she spoke about how growing older has reshaped her relationship with her body, but she does talk about this. She talks about this all the time. So this article is from business insider.com. Yeah. She says, I'm great with it.
Starting point is 00:20:59 I think I look flipping amazing, she told podcast host Elizabeth Day. Winslet said that while many people still view aging as something to fear or fix, she has learned to see it in a different light. We're so conditioned. Women in our 40s to think, okay well I'm creeping closer to the end I mean this is you
Starting point is 00:21:15 you know you think you go into menopause and you're going to stop having sex and your boobs are going to sag and your skin's going to go crepe and all of that could be true and all these things well actually none of those things are true well it could be true but first of all the boobs definitely do go south let's not lie okay we haven't stopped having sex right listen yeah as I started telling my bad partner today let me talk you about sex um at eight o'clock in the morning no i've only known you for a few weeks at eight o'clock in the morning no let me tell you all about my sex life post menaboard uh okay what the fuck is wrong with me by the way that wasn't what i said
Starting point is 00:22:04 you spent too much time with me that's what's wrong with you think i do i'm what's wrong with you It was just looking, I didn't even think it was that weird. It was just when I looked at her face, I realized it was weird. Anyway, she says, okay, well, I'm creepy close to the end. You know, you think you're going to menibals and you're going to stop having sex and your boobs are going to sag and your skin's going to go crepey and all these things. But first of all, she says, so what? Well
Starting point is 00:22:38 So what? Stopping having sex isn't amazing Isn't amazing And she means hate Winslet And secondly Yeah It's just conditioning She says
Starting point is 00:22:47 The Titanic Star Added that Do you think these celebrities get annoyed By being like Pigeonhold into one film They did a million years ago Yeah, of course
Starting point is 00:22:56 Yeah Thank you for giving me the words That I would never have been able to get out Due to Brain Fog The Titanic Star added That the confidence earned with age Only makes a woman more captivating That is true
Starting point is 00:23:07 that that is true maybe if you're kate winslet you know you but she's not if you're susan who works in the co-op do you know what i mean because her skin is creepy and her boobs are sagging she really doesn't feel like having sex all the time and that's not empowering it's just fucking sad you know what i mean you can't just be like oh well never mind my tits are on the floor i'll just book a weekend in monaco and it'll all be great that's not what she's saying i think kate winslop firstly is very normal she's normal she's normal She does represent the more normal looking woman for a Hollywood A-lister. When she did Mayor of East Town, which was only a couple of years ago, there were sex scenes in it.
Starting point is 00:23:46 And she refused. They offered her a body double, because she is naked straddling someone in one scene. And they offered her a body double. And she was like, no, I have the normal stomach of a 48-year-old, 49-year-old, and I'm fine with showing that. And she did. And you know what? It wasn't model-perfect, but it looked really normal. I mean, it looked like how most women look naked.
Starting point is 00:24:07 at that age and I really really respected her for that because she was like I'm not I think it's really sad though that we have to respect women for just being themselves it is sad it's so sad but I do think it's better for like the general population for you to not see an idealised body all the time I'm going back to my conversation this morning about the sex I mean we're talking about it again this is why I said it this is why I said it at 8 o'clock in the morning because I talk about sex on a podcast with you and to me it's normal but to other people it's not nothing we do it's normal it's just normal to us I know I actually think so weird I'm probably gonna get a message later like you know that game we had on Thursday forget it um you'll be so happy no I wouldn't
Starting point is 00:24:53 be happy I'm not like that no you're not like she said you know I think more I think women as they get older become wait for it juicier and sexier and more in bed they definitely don't become juicier that's for sure I mean, I think juicier is a very badly used word. Yeah. And more embedded in their truth and who they are and more powerful and more able to walk through the world and care less. And that is an empowering thing. That's true.
Starting point is 00:25:21 Yeah. That deserves a round of applause. It does. Do you know what? You'd have a great time with Kate Winslet wherever you went. You wouldn't. No, I would.
Starting point is 00:25:47 I really like her. You're not into this whole vibe. I am into the vibe. I get it. And I find her very relatable and grounded, normal and down to earth and fun. But it's better that it's coming from Kate Windsor rather than Heidi Klum. Not Heidi Klum. Firsty, Heidi Clem's a lot older.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Is she? Yeah. No. I'm thinking of Barbie. What's the name? Barbie. Margo Robbie. Yeah, sure she doesn't want to be pigeonholed into Barbie.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Margo Robbie. If this was coming out of Margo Robbie's mouth, it would be a little condescending and hard to take because she's perfection to look at. She's just had a baby and she's still perfection. She's perfection. She's utter perfection. But you know what? A lot of that's genetics. She's kind of just born like that.
Starting point is 00:26:37 come out of Hollywood and be perfection. I don't mind that. I love Margo Robby. Nothing gets Margo Robby. What I'm saying is I think this is coming out of the mouth of someone appropriate and able to say it. And I think that we can take it from Kate Winslet. No, she's not Susan from the Co-op,
Starting point is 00:26:53 but you are going to get so trolled for that comment. No, I'm not. Susan from Co-op. We're sorry. Because Susan from the co-op's, tits might not be sagging. That's it. Well, what's her secret? I've got a melt. Have you got a meltdown?
Starting point is 00:27:13 Yeah. It's quite middle-aged. But I've been sending... I know, but I mean, what I mean my middle-aged is, I wouldn't have done this in my 20s or 30s. But I've sent a couple of quite shirty emails this week. I love this for you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:30 What is your version of shirty? And you have to read out the emails. Read out the email. Are you serious? I am. I want to know what your version of shirty is. I bet it says please and thank you about a hundred times. I'm going to tell you the context.
Starting point is 00:27:44 I'm trying to contact florists because I'm looking for some quotes. Oh, that's weird because we're going to a restaurant called the florist, but anyway. Right. For my party next year. And what I'm trying to do is contact people, ask them how much they charge them, give them business and money. Because, you know, that's how business works. They provide a service. I give them money and their business continues to run.
Starting point is 00:28:07 I am actually going to find it for you. I can't wait. No, hold on. Once you find it, I have to read it. Because what you're going to do is you're going to say it with a shirty tone, which is going to make it sound shirty. I need to read it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:22 There's a lot of them, though. We only want the shirty one. Okay. The first one was very nice. This person recommended you, said you're very creative. I'm open to ideas. Oh, it's this florist that we're talking about. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Right. Then the second one is The second one is here Is this This is the second one Don't say her name Or company Is this the shirty one?
Starting point is 00:28:45 No it gets shirteer Hi blah blah blah I emailed you a few weeks ago Had no reply Full stop So then I followed up with a phone call And we had a chat Comma
Starting point is 00:28:56 But I'm yet to hear back from you Full stop If you want to send me a quote That's great But if you're not interested I'm happy to look elsewhere Thanks Lauren Okay that was that
Starting point is 00:29:06 Direct. Blunt. Okay, so far I'm impressed. You should have signed it, Karen. Hi, blah, blah, blah. It's now been a week since your email, and I've not heard from you. I'll assume you're too busy to help, question mark. I need to get cracking, so if I didn't, you've done...
Starting point is 00:29:34 I was so angry. I did a spelling mistake. You never, ever do a spelling mistake. So if I don't hear from you this week, I'll go elsewhere. Regards, Lauren. We dropped the thanks. Does she reply? Also, if you're having to chase her up now,
Starting point is 00:29:54 you'll have to chase her up throughout the whole thing, won't you? This is when I really lost the vlog. Okay, this is amazing. I'm loving this, by the way. Oh. Oh. I just, was this in response to her? This was like half an hour later. Because I'd really like, I was really... Well, she hadn't got back to you. I'd sent four emails. Right. And we'd had a phone conversation. And the phone conversation was like, yeah, yeah, great. I'll send you an email. Didn't. Then we had... Then she sent said, oh, listen, I'm really sorry. I was very delayed. But I'm going to send you a quote tomorrow. Never sent anything.
Starting point is 00:30:28 I mean, I'm really sorry. I doubted you. Come on. You are right. It's shirty. It's actually quite terrifying. I just have to... And I love this. And I love this. I just have to add that you were recommended by two separate people to me and I think it's so disappointing to email you, get ignored, call you, get ignored, email you again with the promise of a next day response and then hear nothing for a week and yet again be emailing you to chase exclamation mark. Listeners, Lauren does not randomly use exclamation marks. She doesn't. She doesn't actually like them. So she was really pissed off. I'm a really I knew you'd love this Because it's true
Starting point is 00:31:09 It came from my heart Nicole Stick with me Easygoing I'm a really 99.9% of the time oh sorry I'm really easy going about 99% of the time
Starting point is 00:31:38 who in this case is just trying to give you business for a big party but this whole experience doesn't make me feel very confident that you would be in any way reliable to provide a service Lauren
Starting point is 00:31:51 no regards no thanks no anyway I like the like the psychodynamic part of it she replied immediately did she yeah with a full quote and um i'm looking for the reply
Starting point is 00:32:08 is it underneath well it's just a quote oh she didn't say sorry yeah there's an apology and then a quote but you know what i'm not using her no why i'm not using her because if i have to chase you four times and phone you and send a shirt email for you to just send me a quote so i can give you money fuck it you are you actually even going to turn up on the day no no no so i am going with someone known reliable who answered the phone first time, who sent a quote an hour later.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Yep. Known and reliable. Yeah. Can I just say, you are the winner. Thanks. We don't need to hear anything else from anyone else because you are the winner.
Starting point is 00:32:51 My favourite part of all of that is that you've got, I love it when you get fucked off because you so rarely get fucked off. And then when you do get fucked off, it takes a lot for you to admit that you're fucked off. you have to work quite hard to annoy me or make me angry like it's you know it's for you to be like visibly angry
Starting point is 00:33:09 yeah it takes it takes some work it does take some work so I'm like really into this and also that you did a spelling mistake it was amazing and also we started with thanks and we went to regards and it was just nothing then you were just signing off but it was the I'm a really easygoing person 99% of the time that is my favourite part of all of it like telling her about who you are but I didn't want her to think I'm like a moaning bitch it's like listen I'm really really like I'm a really easy person to deal with. I don't mind and complain
Starting point is 00:33:35 but this is fuck me off. Let me tell you something. Yeah. When she relays the story yeah. Her first point is not going to be she's really easy going. I think that's our show listeners. It was a great show. No dilemma. I really enjoyed that.
Starting point is 00:34:00 No dilemma. Emma today. No, we've got to go to a meeting now. Yeah, we actually do. But I'm very stressed about food, so you need to feed me first. Feed me Seymour. Um, okay, I'll do my best. What the fuck is wrong with me? It's because my daughter's don't do a year show. Is it Little Shop of Horrors? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Little shop. Little shop of horrors shop, oh, oh, oh. But they were sing that amazing song. Suddenly Seymour is standing beside me. It's a great musical that You don't need no man I'll feed you
Starting point is 00:34:36 But what I never understood about suddenly Seymour I mean I know I'm a musical theatre geek But I never understood why that song It's such a powerful beautiful musical theatre ballad Was in that show It always felt like it should have been in a much better show I agree, but it's a cracking song Anyway, so let's go eat, yeah
Starting point is 00:34:54 Feed me, Sima I'm hungry too Bye everybody Bye Bye Thank you.

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