40ish - Online selling rants, Birthdays and Feeling old in the office

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

This week on 40ish, it's Nicole's birthday spectacular, and Lauren's making a fashionably late entrance... 45 minutes late, to be precise. One listener wants to have a full blown rant about the annoya...nces and petty behaviour involved in online selling ( haggling over £1 anyone?). Plus, we're attempting to untangle a situation on the Manchester gay scene—wish us luck!—and tackling the problem of a 40-something feeling like the office furniture next to their 20-something colleagues. Grab your ibuprofen and decaffeinated coffee and take a listen!  Please share your dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife with us  at: Email hello@40ish.co.uk Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 Go to ZOE.com to find out what ZOE Membership could do for you. You can use the exclusive code 40ISH10 to get 10% off membership. As a ZOE member, you’ll get an at-home test kit and personalized nutrition program to help you make smarter food choices that support your gut. Use 40ISH10 at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Nicole, when was the last time you actually listened to your gut? I always do because nutrition in midlife is so important and we know there's a lot of misleading health advice out there and most of what we're taught about food is wrong. Did you know that Big Food even pays TikTok influencers to say that ultra processed foods are healthy when they're not? I actually find that shocking but it's no wonder that one in eight people globally, that's over a billion people are living with obesity. So our sponsor, Zoe, understands that our health is suffering and that it's time we
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Starting point is 00:02:16 or visit connexontario.ca. Please play responsibly. This episode is sponsored by Zoe. This episode is sponsored by Zoe. People are like people. It's too people-y to selling stuff. Do you know what I mean? You get to know too much about people that you don't want to know. Because then you have to go and find an every shop and then you have to park and you have
Starting point is 00:02:47 to view up. They're not very difficult to find because what you do Lauren is you go on the every app. I know that but the one... So you're not like, were you driving around going, every! I also see these same people talking in little groups where they don't involve me, then I just stand there solo trying not to feel sorry for myself. Heartbreak emoji. Hello everybody, welcome to 40ish. I am Nicole Goodman.
Starting point is 00:03:23 And I'm Laura Mishcon. Happy birthday. Thanks. It's my birthday today. Do you want to say how old you are? Because it's Fortyish. Yeah, I'm 48. Do you know how many people have said to me, what happens when you turn 50? What do you mean what happens? What like things fall off? What do you mean? What do they mean? To the show. Oh, I see. We're not changing the name of it. You don't like change. I don't like change, but also I refuse. As we've discussed before, I'll be saying 46.
Starting point is 00:03:53 So they'll never be 50. Because in about three weeks, you're going to be 47. Well, they'll never be a 50 ish. No, no, no. Okay. But it's fine to be 40 ish because we're 40 ish. It's like that woman on, you know, does my bum look 40? That's her still her handle. She's like 53 now. Right. So she's all right with it and she's doing pretty well. Also her bum doesn't even look 40. Tall, slim, long legged and live. So I'm sure her bum looks great. Happy birthday. Anyway, yeah, it's my birthday. It's your birthday all day. All fucking day. Tell us how it's gone so far. You know what? It's been not brilliant. My husband left at eight o'clock this morning to go and play tennis. That's okay. I decided not to go to the gym because I wanted to open my gifts this morning with my kids. Yeah. As one of them came downstairs, the other
Starting point is 00:04:45 one said, Oh, can't believe you're copying my hairstyle. She wasn't right. So that kicked off. Okay. Um, I also walked into the kitchen this morning to a massive box on the kitchen table just in the middle. It wasn't wrapped and it had a big picture of a ninja creamy on the box. Yeah. I mean, I have no idea what ninja creamy is an ice cream maker and it is something that I have wanted for a while. Okay. Um, so clearly fan of ice cream. Clearly that's what my husband, yeah. Love ice cream. Okay. That's what my husband bought me for my birthday, which is very nice, but there was absolutely no surprise element to it because there was no wrapping.
Starting point is 00:05:25 There was no wrapping. No. The card was also fairly brief. It said you are enough. But that was to take the piss because of the show that we did on self-care club. Wasn't a romantic card. No, this is as romantic as he gets. And he left the price on the back of the card. Brilliant.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Right? Brilliant. And then, so then he goes off to tennis. My daughter's coach was 45 minutes late and then I dropped her at the bus stop and she then called me five minutes later to say the bus just drove off and didn't pick me up. So then I had to take it to school. That's it. And all the traffic. School run fun. Yeah. I never do a school run. Fun birthday morning. Now that I'm 48, I haven't done a school run in years. No. So that was my morning. That's been my birthday. Special. And then Laura Mishcon was driving me mad. Well, you weren't driving
Starting point is 00:06:16 me mad. You were being very sweet. Saying, Oh, should we go for brunch before recording? Because we weren't recording till one. And I said, Oh, I don't know. I've eaten loads this weekend. I don't really want to eat out again. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, we've got to eat. I'm like, okay, well whatever. And then you were like, I'll be ready at 1130. I'm like, okay. So then you text me. You said you'd be ready at 1130. I didn't actually specify when I would be ready from 1130. Oh, did I? Last night. Oh, okay. Wasn't that accurate? Was it in the end? No, because then I said to you, I'll be ready from 11. And you walked up to my house at 20 past 12. I did. And I was hungry, hangry, actually. You were. But for good reason.
Starting point is 00:06:53 And then Lauren was like, Are you enjoying your special, special day? You know, birthdays at 48 are a bit shit. Yeah, they're a bit shit. Yeah. I've realized I really, I mean, it's very sweet because everyone phones you and everyone wants to make fuss of you. And I feel really uncomfortable about it. Yeah. What's that about? I've always felt like that. You are really rubbing off on me. I have to say. I'm like, it's my birthday. So I was born. So was everyone and it's just not a thing for me it's just not a thing like great okay move on you know I tell you for now don't be getting excited about my 50th in the next 20 years when it comes because there'll be nothing happening we're not talking about your 50th good Good. Right, firstly it's my birthday today.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Okay, so if we're going to talk about anyone's 50th, it shall be mine. It's not your 50th either. I know, but why are we talking about yours? It's not even your birthday. I'm just saying don't get excited at the thought in many years. It's not in many years, it's in three years and don't worry I won't. Of coming to my party because there's going to be no party. You're going to have like four days of fucking parties. It's going to be like an Indian wedding your 50th isn't it?
Starting point is 00:08:07 Oh there's a brunch then there's a dinner then there's a weekend and there's a day and I'll be like oh I'm celebrating like for the whole of February and then it will come to mind you'll be like what do you feel 50th and I'll be like nothing fuck off leave me alone I just don't want one and that'll be that'll be our 50th. Yours will be more fun. No because you don't want one. And that'll be, that'll be our fiftieth. Yours will be more fun. No, cause you don't want to like happy birthday, Nicole. Thanks Lauren. You know what? You don't have to come to my fiftieth. Okay. I'll come, but I don't want to make one of my own. No, you just said, oh, if you're having a whole Indian wedding, it's just going to be like too much. Well, maybe your HRT will be better by then, you won't be quite so moody.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Maybe I'll be menopausal by then the last, literally in the last two weeks, what on earth do you two have to talk about? How do you find things to talk about? They are saying it all the time. I find that a weird question. Why? Because why? I don't know, I just do. Well, I said to someone at the gym, well, you know how you're in finance. They're like, yeah, I'm not like, never be in finance. It's just what you do. That's your job. That's what we do. We just talk shit.
Starting point is 00:09:35 That's correct. And we monetize it. Let's talk some more shit. But before we do, we have to give a quick disclaimer. We're not doctors or healthcare professionals. This is a fun space where we share our thoughts. and so if there is an issue that you are seriously struggling with, please contact a qualified expert. The first question of the day.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Ladies I want to have a rant. Oh good, well you're in good company with Lauren today. Love a rant. Do you agree that the cheaper the item you sell online, the dumber the questions you get are? Yes. Are we talking about like something like on vinted or eBay or something? I think so.
Starting point is 00:10:14 January has been the longest, most broke month ever and I found myself selling lots of perfectly good items that I wasn't wearing or using for bargain prices just to get rid of them. What I have increasingly noticed is the lower price the items the most hassle I get with silly questions or haggling me over one pound. I spent hours uploading all of this stuff that is nearly brand new or brand new and sell it for basically free and I'm still getting endless messages over the armpit to armpit measurement of some shit top from H&M. Oh my God. I feel this rant. I feel it. It is a hundred percent true. I have been selling a lot of stuff on Vintage recently, like a ton of stuff. And when it is like quite a nice item, people pay for it, they buy it, you send it, it's done. When it's like
Starting point is 00:11:01 a literally like an H&M sweatshirt, which are selling for four quid people like, well, you sell it for three. Can you tell me it says small, but is that is that a normal small or is that that is a fair question because some things aren't true to size true to size. And I'm like, you know what, for four pounds, I don't have the bandwidth to reply to your question. Spend the four pounds. Don't spend the four pounds. It's more hassle for me to wrap the fucking item, go to find a fucking in-post locker and send it to you. I don't even want the four quid.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Can we discuss the in-post locker for a minute? Because my daughter sold a couple of things on Vintage. So obviously I have to do the return. Of course you do. Because it's obviously my job. So I took it to the in-post locker. There was no no free locker. No, there was a free locker, but there was no um ticket or I didn't have to put anything on there. It was completely bare. Yeah, I had a QR code, but there was nothing stuck on the package. I just stuck it in there. Yeah. Yeah. Could have gone anywhere in the whole fucking world. It doesn't know it goes to the person, but isn't that amazing? It's pretty cool. I'll tell you what I especially hate, the haggling. Oh my god, she's so right. The haggling is like go fuck yourself. I can't stand it. If it's an expensive item, fine. But for three quid,
Starting point is 00:12:14 please leave me alone. And also when people won't do impulse locker, they want every. What difference does it make? Because then you have to go and find an every shop and then you have to park. What do you mean find an every shop? They're not very difficult to find because what you do Lauren is you go on the every app. I know that but the one... So you're not like, what are you driving around going every? Is there an every here? It's not difficult. In my local area there's only one. And you know I hate a return. You hate a return. I've gotten much better with them. And also I don't find the every bit a complication. I'll tell you, a few years ago, I was getting rid of, when I say getting rid of, not selling, giving away.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Do you know the things they're called trunkies and they're like little suitcases? Yes, those cases on wheels. Yes, but also you can sit on them. For toddlers? For toddlers. So you see those parents at the airport with their toddlers riding on a trunkey with stuff inside. What a useless invention. Anyway, I got- You say useless, you bought them. I didn't, I got given them and you can fit barely anything inside.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Put your finger down. She's pointing at me today. She's pointing, she's ranty. I got rid. I got rid. I was like, I've got a blue trunkey, perfect condition. Here it is. How much are you selling it for? Nothing. I'm giving it away. It's free. Can you deliver it? What the f... I'm giving you this fucking thing for free. You want me to drive to your home, the other side of London to deliver. Who do you think I am? Who do you think you are? I was like, no, funnily enough, I'm not a delivery service. If you want the item, you're welcome to come and collect it. People are like people. It's too people-y, the selling
Starting point is 00:14:00 stuff. Do you know what I mean? It's you get to know too much about people that you don't want to know. Listen, I worked in the service industry for 30 years. There's nothing I don't know about people that couldn't be more people-y. If I tried and there was always people that wanted to haggle me down. I was not that kind of hairdresser. Like I was a good hairdresser. I was a very busy hairdresser. You were fucking lucky to get an appointment with me and you were never getting one within six weeks, right? So if you cancel your appointment, I ain't seeing you for another six weeks, go and get it cut elsewhere. Like that is how I run my column. So then some people would
Starting point is 00:14:33 always want to like, can you do a discount? No, this is what I charge. Oh, but it's quite a lot of money. Then don't come, then don't come. Can you do it on a Sunday? No, I don't work Sundays. Oh, but I can't get there on and then, okay, my problem. Then it's not my problem. Like these are my hours and the more questions I used to get, the less chance they had of getting an appointment. Yeah. It's true. You're right. It's too people. It's too people. And also if you've got loads of questions, I can't do the loads of questions. This is too annoying. This person has not even mentioned the, the asshole of selling places, which is Facebook marketplace. Oh, you don't sell on that. Do you? I tried to sell a table on there. It
Starting point is 00:15:09 was, it was just one of the worst two weeks ever. Because the question, Oh, my God, I got scammed. My son-in-law will, I'm disabled. So my son-in-law will come and pick it up. Please send your bank details. No, you can just give me cash on the day. It was like a whole scam going on Facebook marketplace. Wow. It's a bad place. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I'm into the, the in-post and the reason that I'm into the in-post lockers is because I don't have to speak to a human being. Yeah. So I'm saying it's much better than every. It makes returns much more manageable. I would like to know the worst thing that's happened to our listeners with online selling. Like, please tell me the most petty exchange that
Starting point is 00:15:58 you have had with a peopley person about some piece of crap that you are selling. What's driven you the most mad? Because I just feel like we're going to get a lot of stories about this. It's a thing. I don't really do a lot on online selling. So this is not a thing for me. I'm feeling I'm feeling this list. Let's go to a break and then we're going to come back with another dilemma. Okay. Lauren, you know me and you know when it comes to answering the listeners dilemmas and when it comes to food, I always trust my gut. And I also trust Zoe, the leading size and nutrition company. All the nutritionists that we've spoken to on self care club have
Starting point is 00:16:38 highlighted just how much misleading information is out there when it comes to food. Things like the claims that you see on packaging that say things like low sugar or nothing artificial. These are often assigned to actually avoid these foods. Ever noticed a health claim on fresh fruit? No, never. Right, well you get my point. So it's completely understandable why there's so much distrust and wondering who you should turn to for accurate information.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Well, it's very simple. It's not a dilemma for us. We use Zoe. Backed by one of the world's largest microbiome databases and most scientifically advanced at home gut health tests, Zoe gives you proven science whenever you need it. Go to Zoe.com and find out what Zoe membership could do for you. And because you listen to 40ish, you can use the exclusive code 40ish10 at checkout to get 10% off membership. As a Zoey member, you'll get an at-home test kit and personalized nutrition program to help you make smarter food choices that support your gut. That's z-o-e dot com.
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Starting point is 00:18:05 therapy 100% online and sign up only takes a few minutes. Visit betterhelp.com today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp.com. Okay, so on Saturday night, we went to a restaurant for dinner. Olly was parking and there were no spaces. So he dropped me off and I got there first and our friends were coming like five minutes later. Who were you meeting? Are they going to be friends? I've never heard of. I bet they are. They're called Lucy and Richard. Yeah. No. Who are they? Lucy is Olly's cousin and Richard is her husband. Olly has a million cousins. He does. He has a huge family. You're correct. So we go into this restaurant and it's a very large restaurant.
Starting point is 00:18:52 And as you walk in the door, bear in mind, it's very, very cold this week. As you walk into the restaurant, there's a table directly opposite the door. Oh no. So next to the till. No. And she says, here you go. Here's your table. We sit down and I'm thinking as soon as I she says, here you go, here's your table. And we sit down and I'm thinking as soon as I sit down, I'm thinking, no, I can't, I can't sit here because every
Starting point is 00:19:10 single time the door opens for someone to leave or come in. I'm getting an Arctic blast. I thought, but I don't like to complain. And I just thought, fuck it. I'm going to be that person. What person? The person who complains. What's wrong with that? I just don't do it in restaurants. But the thing is you're not complaining. You just don't want to sit there. I don't like to make a fuss. But I did. I said to the woman, excuse me, I don't mean to be rude, but would it be possible to move us? Is it rude? I don't mean to be difficult. Would it be possible? You see how you set that up though? Yeah. Would it be possible to move us to another table because it's very, very cold and I don't want to get blasted every time.
Starting point is 00:19:48 So she was like, yep, I'll see what I can do. Don't worry. Anyway, everyone else comes in and sit down and I was like, okay, we're going to move. We're going to move tables because this table is like the shittest table in the restaurant. It's awful. We do get moved and it's fine. And then I felt quite proud of myself for like, you know, being that person. So the next day I'm telling you, interesting. You went from wanting to be that person to proud of that person. Like I took control of it. Love it. The next day, what a transformation that was. Some mom comes to pick up her kid from my house and she said, Oh, what'd you do last night?
Starting point is 00:20:21 I went to this restaurant and she said, Oh, it's funny. We went there the other week. She said, Oh my God, there was such a row. She said there were, what did you do last night? I went to this restaurant. And she said, Oh, it's funny. We went there the other week. She said, Oh my God, there was such a row. She said there were these four people seated on this table that was opposite the door and they had such an argument over being seated there and being moved. They actually ended up storming out of the restaurant. And I was like, Oh no, now I feel like the complainy person. They must get that all the time. I thought, but why have they got the table there?
Starting point is 00:20:44 Like remove that table. What a stupid place to have a table because no one wants it. And then I felt like my mother. You know what I mean? This is how we turned into our parents. This is exactly how we turned into our parents. Listen, you're being a bit of a Karen, but I think it's okay. I think it's okay. I thought, well, I didn't have an argument and we certainly didn't storm out the restaurant because of it. But like, I do get it. Especially the, she said they were like well into their seventies. You don't sit septuagenarians opposite an icy door that's being opened every 10 minutes. Like, what a stupid restaurant design.
Starting point is 00:21:21 A septuagenarian? Yes, people in their seventies. don't put a table opposite a door. Like that's just dumb. It's fine in the summer, but it's not fine in mid winter in London. But you're also next to the door, bitch. So it's just not a good table. There's always a shit table in every restaurant. The one that's next to the toilets.
Starting point is 00:21:38 No one wants to sit table. You know, when you're married to Adam, you quickly learn that you never really accept the first table and you never accept the first hotel room. This is just how it rolls in my life. Right? So the minute whenever we sit down now, I know if he's going to be happy or not. And if he's not going to be happy, I'll go straight to the toilet. I come back with sitting somewhere else. Yeah. That's just what happens. And also if you're eating out in London, it's very expensive. The service is normally very below average, it is in most places, I'm not saying that for everywhere and you pay through the nose for this meal. So why shouldn't you sit where
Starting point is 00:22:10 you bloody well want? Well I did. Good for you. What's the second dilemma? Well, there seems to be issues with youngsters this week. We've actually had two dilemmas. One is about youngsters and one is written by a youngster. Hi there. I have a dilemma for the podcast. So one time I was scrolling through Twitter and I saw one of my followers post on the timeline and I noticed that another one of my followers basically complimented him which I thought was cute and nice. So I thought that I would do the same, but I didn't get the same reaction as I would
Starting point is 00:22:52 hope. One of the guys unfollowed me. I asked him how come he unfollowed me as I found it weird because all I did was call him cute and that's it, and he replied with I can follow and unfollow who I want to, hope that helps and I replied in a bitchy way which wasn't good on my part and yes I had the whole gay community of Manchester on my back because of these DMs. Blimey. What advice do you have for me?
Starting point is 00:23:15 Like trying to block it out or do I just say I'm really sorry for my tone of voice in the text message like owning up to something bad basically? I have to be really honest with you. I found that a little hard to follow a because I suspect I've guys younger than us B I'm not part of the Manchester gay scene. I don't know if you've guessed that about me, but I'm not. And also I'm not on Twitter or X. Well, I don't it's just about social media, isn't it? But I think he's just upset that they unfollowed him and then said, and then said, well, I can unfollow and follow whoever I want.
Starting point is 00:23:52 And he's thinking, well, what did I say? Did I offend him? My advice is don't sweat the small stuff, which I know is a really annoying piece of advice, but actually there's so much else to worry about. I wouldn't let this anxiety fester and build into something that it doesn't need to like get it back in its place. But it's also probably not very nice to feel like you've got the whole gay community of Manchester on your back. But why would they be on his back? I have no idea. I don't really understand what he's done wrong.
Starting point is 00:24:18 And if they're DMs then they're private messages. So I don't understand what they're on his back about. I don't know what he's done wrong here. He replied in the same way. Yeah. Yeah. So he, he thought it was cute. Yeah. And then this person unfollowed him and then he asked how come he unfollowed him. I don't understand what they're on his back about. I don't get it. I don't know. I think we need more information. I'm a little confused about this dilemma and I really do want to help you, but I'm not sure how to help you other than to say social media is a dark, sad, twisted, bad place which makes you feel
Starting point is 00:24:46 horrible about yourself and I'm sure you're absolutely lovely and it's your feed, curate it how you want and just follow nice people. Is that good advice? Yeah, I mean I thought mine was good advice. Yours was also good advice. Thank you for saying that. I feel like I have to drag these things out of you. It wouldn't kill you to say these things once in a while, especially on my birthday. You know? Happy birthday. Thanks. It's been amazing. What's the second one?
Starting point is 00:25:20 I work in a retail space where there is a vast range of ages working. I'm 45 and proud. Yeah! Go you! Now, I seem to get on with and want to hang around with people in their 20s. That's half my age. We can do that maths, thank you. I sometimes think, do they let me hang around because they feel sorry for me? I also see these same people talking in little groups where they
Starting point is 00:25:45 don't involve me. Then I just stand there solo trying not to feel sorry for myself. Heartbreak emoji. Any words of wisdom, Jay? I have actually had this scenario happen to me. So when I was in hairdressing, I, from when I had the kids, I went and set up on my own and I have my own private salon in my house. It was a proper salon. I had it in the back garden, blah, blah, blah. So I have my own setup and then we moved house and our house, our new house wasn't ready. So we had to move out of our old house because we'd sold it. So there was like an eight month period where I didn't have access to my salon. Because it wasn't ready in the new house. So I had to go and work in my friend's salon.
Starting point is 00:26:34 And my friend Theo, we trained together when we were 17. And then I went when I was, how old would I have been? 40. Yeah, it was probably about eight, 10 years ago. And I remember walking in and I was just renting a chair for a few months. And he said, just so you know, we're the adults now. Oh, and I said, what do you mean? He said, well, you know, we always used to be the young juniors and the kids and we are now the grownups. I'm like, Oh my God. Okay. I can do grownup. He's I'm just telling you, it's a bit of a shock. Yeah. Was it? Yeah. Did they even speak the same language? No, they didn't. And they were all absolutely lovely. Yeah. But I noticed how I just had very little in common with them. Yeah. And I remember one of them saying, I was talking about how we were moving into this new house and something
Starting point is 00:27:15 about my husband owning his own business. And she said to me, I mean, she was only about 18. And she said to me, my God, you're like a real grownup. And I said, no, I'm not. She said, you are your husband has his own business and you're buying a new house. I thought, I am, I'm actually a grownup. How did this happen? It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's lovely that this guy wants to hang around with these people who are half his age in the office because I actually think that being around younger people, I especially find this with my 21 year old, like I love their energy. I love their enthusiasm for life, I love their ideas, I just find them very uplifting and fun.
Starting point is 00:27:52 It's like a fun age to be around, you know? They're not like scarred by life, they're just out there, they've got great new ways of thinking about the world, like it's really great. I don't think they're standing around talking about you when you're being excluded from the group would be my feeling. But also probably a lot of that stuff he doesn't need to be joining in about. It's probably quite well, I was, I was going to say, I agree with you about, I love having all the teenagers in my house. I just, it brings such a fun energy. So I totally get it. And at the same
Starting point is 00:28:24 time I have zero interest in socializing with them. And at the same time, I have zero interest in socializing with them. I love them being in my house. I love being around them. I wouldn't want to go out and be their mates because we don't really have anything in common. But I'm sure that in this case, they don't let him hang around because they feel sorry for him. I think they let him hang around because they enjoy his company. And he's part of the team. And also maybe he has like words of wisdom or life experience that they don't have, which they appreciate. Or maybe, maybe they see him as a senior member of the team and maybe they might be slagging one of the bosses off and they don't want him to hear because he's more mature than
Starting point is 00:28:58 they are. Yeah. There might be a couple of things going on there, but I wouldn't have thought they're talking about him badly. No. And also like sometimes it's okay to not be part of a crew when they're half your age, like that's kind of appropriate. It's more appropriate. It is isn't it? Yeah. It's okay not to have things in common or have to be together all the time and they're not really your mates. Yes I would say just enjoy the time that you spend with them and hanging out with them but don't feel like they're your people because they're not really your people. They're not your people. Not anymore. No.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Sorry. Not sorry. Sorry, not sorry. Sorry, not sorry. That's our show guys. Yeah. That's it. We've imparted all the wisdom that we can in your full 48 years.
Starting point is 00:29:40 It's what you've brought to the show today. Everything you've learnt to the show today. Everything you've learnt. All those decades. You must feel so wise now. I actually just feel quite tired. Ready for my afternoon nap now that I'm old. Ready for more birthday celebrations. No, no more birthday celebrations.
Starting point is 00:29:59 I haven't really wanted to celebrate it this year. I can't be bothered. You've had a dinner and a party. I haven't't be bothered. You've had a dinner and a party. I haven't had a party. You've had a Saturday night dinner party and a lunch party so you've had lots. I didn't have a lunch party. Just a lunch. Why? Putting a party on the end of it sounds weird.
Starting point is 00:30:17 Does it? I went out for lunch with my parents. I don't think that's a lunch party. That's a lunch party to me. Is it? Yeah. Is it? Hmm. My parents are sadly divorced so I can't have a lunch party. That's a lunch party to me. Is it? Yeah. Is it? Hmm. My parents are sadly divorced so I can't have a lunch party. Oh stop it. They are very able to be in the same room together. My parents love to have lunch together. Exactly. So it's just enough. Okay. It's enough. We are
Starting point is 00:30:40 enough. The birthday isn't. It's all enough. Okay. Okay. Happy birthday. Thank you.

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