40ish - Secrets, Spreadsheets and Storming Out

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

Today on 40ish: Nicole’s got a new padel partner;  there’s a shared spreadsheet involved and Lauren’s not thrilled. Meanwhile, the listener inbox delivers peak drama: one listener’s torn between exposing a friend’s secret affair and staying loyal, while another has a full-blown meltdown at her own birthday party. It’s sports, secrets, and seriously messy situations. We love to hear from you! To share your feedback, dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife please be in touch at: Email [e-mail] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 This episode is sponsored by London Nootropics Get 20% off at LondonNootropics.com with the code 40ISH Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, everybody. Welcome to 40-ish. I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Laura Mishcon. This is the podcast that delves into the joys and wonders of midlife. Every week we chat about your stories, your dilemmas, your meltdowns, and we bring our own, don't we? Because sharing is caring. Well, you know, sometimes I think I shouldn't share so much. That would be caring. You can share with me, I don't mind. Yes, but maybe not on air. Maybe not all the listeners need to hear basically my platform that I've now built just for me to moan.

Maybe that should be subscribers only. Who really want to hear my moaning special. I think it's called like my husband. And don't forget you can actually subscribe to this show and self-care club on Apple Podcasts where you get early access, add free listening across both of the shows and bonus content that you will not find anywhere else. And if you've got anything to share big, small, ranty, mundane, funny, rude, embarrassing, we want to hear it. We do. So please email us at hello at 40ish.com. UK or you can DM us. So be part of the conversation. The show is not what it is without you.

So please do email us. Yes. Tell me what's happening in your 40-ish life. I mean the most 40-ish moment. Saturday morning, early doors. go downstairs, do my general house tidy, bend down to retrieve a trainer that the puppy has taken from the hall to her bed. Oh, she's so cute. And that was it. My back went. Literally just bent down in the most normal way to pick up one trainer.

It's never a big thing. It's always like a like putting on your jeans. But it went and it was agony. When you say it went. Like something just snapped. Snapped. in the bottom of my back on that yeah it was agony and then my friend turned up to walk the dog with me and she's like what what is wrong with you i i i don't know it's so bad it's so bad i found that

walking was fine and standing or sitting was okay but but going between the two yeah yeah i felt about 95 years old never mind 40ish yeah that's my life though it's awful it's so awful. Anyway. Is it right now? It's much better this morning, but it's taken the whole weekend. I had volterol. I had ibuprofen.

Yeah. I mean, welcome to the world of an exerciser. What was quite interesting was that I could do everything at standing up level, but nothing at bending down level. So basically, Olly had to do all the bending down tasks all weekend. He had a really good insight into the really mundane shit that is dealing with the house. Oh. I was like, can you please?

empty the dryer because I can't bend down. I can't actually even talk about the mundane shit of dealing with the house. Can you please tidy up the puppy's toys that are all under the kitchen table because I can't bend down. Can you please do the bottom of the dishwasher because I can only unload the top bit of the dishwasher. Well, just unload the dishwasher because I'm in pain. Well, I've done the top bit. I mean, you know, more for you. He did do all the tasks, but I was like, is it fun being me. Are you enjoying being me? He's like, not really. I said, this is my life every day. Yeah, but I moan a lot about it. I threw such a tantrum this morning about the house.

Such a tantrum about it. How did it go? Give us a reenactment. No way. I'll be Adam. No way. He did apologise to me afterwards. Did he?

Yeah, he did. Because I have to say he didn't seem disturbed by it because he was in a very jolly mood when I turned up this morning. I really, I was so fed up after this weekend of the amount of washing that I was, the amount of domestic rubbish that I spent. my weekend doing and by this morning when I just walked in from the gym and the house looked like someone had picked it up turned it upside down and put it back again and I literally had to do a sweep I was just so fed up of it yeah the sweep it's normal I can't bear it like if everyone

just picked their shit up then I would not have to do this and then I would have another hour of my morning free to you know be creative do some work totally be something that is actually be a person constructive be a person and And productive. Yeah. No, no. Rather than pick everybody's crap up. I'm already resigned to the fact that that hour and a half every morning is gone.

Anyway, can I just tell you something else about my back? I spoke to my mum. I don't have time for, hold on, can I just, we're just finishing off on this. I don't have time. Because I'm at the gym. So I can't do that. I don't have the time. It is my gym.

But it isn't, is it? Well, I don't want to go to the gym anyway. To be honest, I'd rather do the laundry. Wouldn't you rather do something else? You'd rather do the laundry than go to the gym. Don't be so ridiculous. Of course I would. Don't be so ridiculous.

That is obscene. Ten times over. Why? Because I would. The laundry is the most mind-numbing, boring job in the whole wide world. You have to look at it as a meditative task. It's not a meditative task. It's a waste of time that never ends.

I've told you this the other day. It only ends with death. Endless. Endless. It's endless. Relentless, endless, endless, unnecessary. It's just. just endless. Yes, it is.

And thankless. It's not thankless. It's not because otherwise everyone's being dirty clothes. Who's thanking you? No one's thanking you. So it is thankful. That would that would actually define it as thankless. But the gym gear, it would be very smelly. Yeah, but no one's saying thank you for doing my, where's the last time? So I was said to you, thank you for doing my washing. Nobody. It doesn't exist. But let me tell you something. When my kids tracks suit bottoms that they want to wear it's not clean then they know about it. There you go. You see? I can't believe you'd rather

do laundry than go to the gym. Totally. I'd rather do anything than go to the gym. In fact, there's I can't. Come on. Think of one thing that you'd prefer to go to the gym. Anything to do with needles. Like have an injection. No, I don't mind an injection. It's really quick.

That's a needle. Yeah, but it's quick. It's quick. Right, so that's a lie. Like, I couldn't have, okay, like, okay, like have to have, oh, like have to have a cannula put in my arm. Right. No, I'd rather go to the gym than do that. Would you? Yeah. Yeah.

Definitely. I mean, I'd rather go to the gym than do 98% of other things. It's like one of my favorite things to do. Yeah, I know. It's weird, so weird. So weird that you just don't like, I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it.

That's what's so weird. I know. Go on, I know you're desperate to tell me about your mum. So my mum was like, how are you? How's your weekend? I was like, well, I've done my back in. How did you do that? And then you've got to say really embarrassingly, I picked up one shoe and then couldn't walk for two days.

And she was like, oh, what are you taking? Just, I said, just ibuprofen, a bit of vulgar. She's like, have you got any valium? I'm like, no, mum, because it's not the 1950s. And they don't just like dish that shit out like smarties anymore. So no, I don't have like a stack of Valium. She's like, oh, well, what about some weed? I was like, Mom, again, I'm 47.

I don't have like a stash of drugs upstairs. Where would I get weed from? Apparently her house. She was like, well, just ask one of the children. I'm like, well, one of them's 12. So that would be really worrying. And also, why are you assuming my children have got drugs with them? I was like, Mom, I can't get stoned.

I've got to go to work in the morning and record a book. podcast she's like oh for goodness sick one spliff's not going to hurt you it'll be good for it will relax you it's obviously in muscle spasm i was like mom i don't have access to this does she have wheat is jackie no jackie i don't know what i mean maybe jackie was on the crack herself because i know what this is not crack she was going on about not crack like she just had this assumption i just say can i just let's just stop there for a second yeah because weed yeah and crack yeah very different Very, very, very different. I don't have a stash of legal slash illegal drugs in my house.

Just called some grass crack. Gross? Yeah. Is it in 1972 again? Fuck it, yeah. Okay. Why not? What else do you want to call it?

Weed. Hachish. Hashish and weed are different. Skunk. Yeah, could do that. Anyway, I knew what I meant when I say. grass. Of course I knew what you meant. But anyway, I didn't have access to these. And even if I did, I'm not sure that I would be using them. I was like, Mum, I just, I don't. I think I've ever known

you to get stoned, ever. No, I mean, not for many decades. As in, I've known you, how long have I known you, six years? Yeah. You know how's our anniversary coming up? Is it? What are we doing? November? Six years. What are we doing for our anniversary? We're going out for dinner. What, what is it? What is like, what's the metal? What's the metal? Do you want me to look Not after six years. No, it's too soon. What is the... No, as in it's too...

I know, I know. No. No, as in, you know, it would have died down a bit after six years. Six years is iron. Also, if you had to suddenly have sex with me, wouldn't you feel quite stressed about that? Because I definitely would. Okay, I'd rather... Would I rather have sex with you or go to the gym?

That is such a conundrum. Let me tell you anything. I have to say, no offence. I would wrong. It's iron, is the answer. Iron? Yeah. We could take our iron supplements.

I was saying, I was thinking we could go to the gym. Pump some iron. Do you know what I was thinking? Go on. We could put up our ironing boards. Do some ironing? That's what I was thinking. You know, that didn't occur to me.

But that is the difference in you and me. Yeah, I'm pumping iron. And I'm ironing. Yeah. There you go. There it is. A perfect example Absolutely brilliant

Would you prefer to have sex with me or go to the gym God that's a question I don't think I'd ask today when I woke up I feel like both would be quite energetic I would feel very out of my depth And very exposed I just I think it would be very weird

I wouldn't even know where to start I wouldn't even know where to start And also don't you always wear a sports bra So I couldn't even like I don't wear a sports bra when I'm having sex, Lauren. No, but like, if you were in one, I'd have to, like, you know, like, I wouldn't even have to get it off.

You can't even just un-pin it. There's no one ping. I wouldn't know where to begin. Let's just have dinner. Yeah. Or do the ironing. Or do the ironing. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know what the date is, though. Do you know the date? No. The date. Oh, I could probably find out, you know. Go on then. I'll put it in my diary.

Listen, I remember, it must have been. in July because we recorded a podcast, you came on my old podcast, and it was before you were going on holiday in the summer because all you did was moan about packing. Right. You know I listened to that episode not so long ago. If you want to hear the first time Lauren and I ever met, maybe we should put it on the subscription on our anniversary, shall we? That is, I don't think I've got it now though. Oh no. I haven't got the file. I wouldn't have the file. What have you got? Have you got an episode of your old podcast can you put that up on the RRSF feed no oh I don't think I can what a shame I can't even listen to it then it was it was a podcast called femailing yeah

what was the episode called I have no clue it's very sweet we do not know each other we'd never met no no and Lauren basically spent the entire time moaning about packing We're on the show. And what dolers are getting paid? You talked a lot about that. Right. So is it basically like 40-ish, but we were 30-ish? Um, I don't know.

I don't know what it was. Were we the same? Well, we are. But I mean, were we exactly the same? Well, we probably our dynamic wasn't as. We probably didn't talk about having sex. That would have been really inappropriate. What's your 40th moment this week?

Haven't I just given you about 12? I thought it was to do with Paddle Admin. Oh, my God. This weekend, it has, the admin of Paddle is so overwhelming. You did make yourself admin. No, no, not even that. That is not even part of it. What Lauren's talking about is that I set up a whole WhatsApp community at one

of my gyms because they opened the paddle courts and I was admin but that's all set up that is not even I don't even play there I haven't got time okay so that has not taken up anything it's this league that I found I don't want to talk about paddle because I know you get so bored with it so it's not about the paddle

it's about admin and how much admin it is causing me to the point I felt so overwhelmed on Saturday morning with all the different places I'm playing paddle who I'm playing paddle with and all the things that I've got to organise around this fucking paddle league and I've been put into so many different WhatsApp groups that all start

with the word paddle. Yeah. I actually made a spreadsheet, Lauren. Okay, that is a bit tragic. That's not nice. It is. I thought you were going to be so supportive of my spreadsheet. I mean, also, I do love a spreadsheet. So what, so I don't think. I just feel like it's a hobby that's become unnecessarily overwhelming. Yes. Like, pull back a little you know refine it make it manageable the fact you need a spreadsheet

should tell you that this is a bit out of control yeah yeah and that I don't even have time to play at the club my main club I don't have time main club James is like piping up in the background it is my main club James sometimes leaves the studio to go and play paddle and then comes back and then it's like what are you doing here and I'm like did you win

obviously apparently James always wins yeah he always wins um so listen yeah you're not impressed with my spreadsheet let me tell something i'm always impressed with the spreadsheet my paddle partner yeah i don't know why you're sticking to your fingers of me i don't want to be your paddle partner i don't want i do not want you to be my paddle partner i wouldn't know where to stop i know would you propose i'm saying would you press play paddle with me or have sex with me go on i i mean i think i would try and play and play paddle with you and after about two minutes you'd be like your shit get off and that'd be the end of it so it would be quick i'm actually very patient i played with my

you might say the same if we had sex i played with my friend uh the other day he's a beginner and i was it was fine what if i shocked you and i was like had this really weird natural talent for it you don't it would so annoy you you don't know i don't know i do know you don't know i do know james james no what no chance i'm just freakishly good at our archery, freakishly talented at it. If you got on that paddle court and you were amazing. It would really annoy you so much. I cannot tell you how much it would annoy me because I'm not freakishly amazing.

Right. I have to work very hard, staying very average. Saying sometimes you don't know that you have a talent within you until you do it and then you're like, shit, I'm really good at this. Could be the same with women on women's sex. I could be really good at it, but I don't think I'm ever going to find out any more than you are. my paddle partner yeah who doesn't know me as well as you

she was very impressed and very grateful FYI for my paddle spreadsheet because I'm now sharing it with her that's lovely that you're sharing documents together yeah you jealous you jealous I'm a bit jealous

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every Life's the trip. Make the most of it at Best Western. Visit bestwestern.com for complete terms and conditions. Just before we dive into your dilemmas, a very quick disclaimer. We are not doctors or healthcare professionals. If there is an issue that you are seriously struggling with, please contact a qualified expert. I read this dilemma to my husband yesterday and he said that is a perennial dilemma. Emma. And then he gave me his opinion. What does that mean? It just means it's like an evergreen one.

It's like a classic. And he gave me his opinion. But I'm not going to tell you until you tell me yours first. Okay. Hi ladies. It's quite short. For very obvious reasons, please keep me anonymous. My close friend confided a few weeks ago that they are having an affair. They begged me not to tell anyone, including their spouse, who is also... Oh, that puts them in a terrible position. Who is also my friend. They put them in a terrible position. I find myself in a position now where I am lying to someone I care about every time I see them. Do I keep my promise to my friend or come clean to protect their partner?

Is loyalty the same as complicity? Ooh. So that is a terrible position to put somebody in if they're friendly with the partner. So Ollie immediately assumed that it was a man, but they don't. don't actually say they just say my friend oh i assumed it was a woman okay well they don't they don't say i assumed it was a woman who is who in this situation it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's irrelevant i guess it is irrelevant it's irrelevant it's about the position that she's been put in and what does she do about it it's irrelevant who's doing what who's doing the cheating

i feel quite clear on my position i'm just i'm going to try and put this in context with like a couple friends that i'm equally as friendly with yes i would feel so uncomfortable holding this piece of information and not being open about it. I wouldn't do anything about it because it's not my place to. I think I would take it back to the person that's having the affair that confided in me. Tell them how I'm feeling about it. And I would say, I don't know how you want to move forward with this. It's not my place to do anything. I'm just telling you this is too uncomfortable to sit with. And I think that you need to figure this out and you need to figure this out quickly

because I can't be with this. I would definitely put it all back on them and get them to deal with it however they see fit. Yes. My general feeling is, and my general rule is, do not get involved in other people's marriages. So I would not tell the other partner

because however it panned out in the end, it would always come back to bite me on the ass because you always shoot the messenger. So I wouldn't want any part in the sharing of that information. I wouldn't either. Unfortunately, you are involved. Well, I am complicit by knowing.

Because they've involved you. Yes. So I think I would encourage my friend who told me to either stop the affair or tell their husband or wife. And I would not tell the partner. Is loyalty the same as complicity? Hard question. I feel very strong with what you.

you said do not get involved in somebody else's marriage yeah you're not in a marriage you don't know i'm not condoning cheating by any means but you don't know what has gone on yeah nobody cheats because they're in a really happy healthy marriage there's obviously shit going on there um and i don't want to get involved in that it's nothing to do with me what i don't want is to know this huge secret and have that that my friend doesn't and also you know if if it did come out in the wash which let's be honest these things normally do i would hate my other friend to say to me i can't believe you knew you didn't tell me how long have you known for what do you know you know that that is also really icky but obviously this friend feels like they have to share

they can't keep that info to themselves which is understandable but tell somebody else that's not friendly with them as a couple yeah tell someone who yeah i'm thinking of like my best friends right who we spend a lot of time with. If I knew one of them was doing this behind the other ones back, I would find that impossible to be around. But if they turn around to me said, you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to stop it and I'm going to really work on my marriage. Okay. I could let it go. It's not for me to say what they should or shouldn't do. And also, it'd be really hard to not tell Adam. You know? Adam always says that if someone tells me not to say anything I don't tell him I'm very discreet like that and he gets quite

upset but I know a lot of people think that as a married couple kind of you come as a pair but I don't I don't subscribe to that like if you tell me something and you say to me this is strictly confidential I'm not going to tell Adam I think it really depends on what it is well I don't think it depends on what it is If someone has confided in me, they've confided in me. They haven't confided in me and Adam. We are two separate people. If someone said to me, please don't talk about this.

Firstly, I wouldn't tell anyone who I think would, but also I would expect them to keep back to themselves. Yeah. When I tell my friends something, I don't expect them to discuss it with their husbands. But it's tricky. If you're both friends with both and you know what's going on and then maybe you'd want his opinion and, you know, that is tricky. A secret is only a secret when you're the only one that knows.

As soon as someone else knows, it's not a secret anymore. you're right you know because now you've got the weight of it yeah so well you're going to tell somebody that's not involved that doesn't know them so that you can get advice on how best to do with it this person's telling us yeah so now we're involved yeah well we're not because we don't know who it is no but you know it doesn't a secret never stays a secret right so it's a tricky one well good luck with that I don't know if we've been very helpful but my suggestion is very much put it back on them and and say, this is, I can't, you can't ask me to keep something like this when I'm invested in the other person and I care very much about their well-being. Don't get involved. Yeah, don't get involved. Extricate. But you are involved.

Well, you are, but extricate yourself from it. As much as you can, yeah. We've got some feedback. Oh, yeah. Hello, ladies. I have to write in after listening for so long to tell you one of my most 40-something moments, which I think you'll enjoy. listening to your podcast today

the one with the lady who ran two red lights we've all been there don't you worry I was very excited when my car display said it was a 47 minute episode she's talking about our show yeah that's a long show for us I thought yay that'll get me the whole way home now that is interesting

because we always try and make it 40ish minutes 35 minutes 40 minutes because that's your average commute did what 40ish minutes Unintentional pan Yeah 30 to 40 minutes

But she likes her when it's a bit longer But then we just talk Then we just waffle Well I think we waffle anyway However I was not home When you guys signed off I looked at the screen again

And it said eight minutes to go And here it is My next thought was not Oh maybe a bonus track Like CDs I used to listen to Or must be a mistake I'll change to something else But oh yes

I hope this is eight minutes of silence And it was And I loved it. That's how 40-ish I am. I now love silence. Who knew? I'm more worried about why there was eight minutes of silence. I'm also very concerned.

I do like that, that she listened to the eight minutes of silence and realized she loves silence. Listen, I'm, I am with her. Thank you, Sarah, for that huge piece of feedback and that she loves our show. I've also had a bit of feedback this week from get this, my friend's daughter. How old is she? I think she must be 20. What does she say? She's 19 or 20.

She's at uni. What does she say? Her second year of uni, what is that? 19 or 20? Yeah. 20. Shout out to Jamie. Hi Jamie.

So she was on the phone to my friend. I was playing panel with my friend on Saturday. And she was on the phone to her daughter. And she said, oh, you tell her, you tell her. And then she went on loudspeaker. And I've known Jamie since the day she was born. And she was like, I just want to tell you that I love your show. I love it.

I listen to it all the time. What? you in the gym. I listen to you everywhere. I'm like, Jamie, I'm so sorry. Must be listening to your own mothers. That's what I said to her. Like, who wants that you're in. Why are you listening to Midd? She goes, you two are so funny. Thanks, Jane.

She goes, even talking to you on the phone now seems weird. Oh, I know. Oh. And she'll be listening to this because she listens to us all the time. Well, great. So thank you for listening, Jamie. Thank you for bringing our age group down by like 20 years.

Yeah. Sorry. What? Nearly 30 years. Shut on. It's all the 20 years. Another feedback. Meltdown? No, it's feedback.

Are you ready? Are you ready? No. Oh, it's from the lady who ran the red light. It's from her again. Oh, Maria. Maria, just an update on my midlife meltdown. Come, Maria, give it to us.

Fortunately, I didn't get a letter from the police. Well, have you checked your emails, Maria. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. No, she's in a snarky mood because I shared another document with somebody else. Don't listen to her, Maria. She's just feeling salty.

She says, I, like Lauren, have never had a point on my license, which I think shows that under normal circumstances, or pre-perimenopause, I am a very careful driver. Yes, of course, we all knew that, Maria. And now a tiny meltdown, she says, I was at work. I work as a cleaner at the local dentists. When I was listening to the podcast, I got so distracted as I was listening to you reading at my email that I cleaned the same toilet twice.

No one needs that. No, they don't. Once is enough. Thank you for keeping me entertained while I do a very boring job. Love you, ladies, Maria. Oh, Maria. See, now she's going to listen to this. this and then she's going to clean the same toilet twice again.

She's going to be distracted. Maria, move over to the kitchen when we're talking about you. Do the floors now. You're enough with the toilet. That's very sweet. Maria, thank you for being such a law listener. And I love, I love keeping her company. Like we're keeping Jamie company in the gym.

Yeah. We're keeping Maria company while she's working. Yeah. Yep. We're keeping everyone company. It's nice. It is nice to be a friend in someone's ear. Any meltdowns this week?

I don't know. It's all been one big fucking. Long meltdown. I guess my meltdown was this morning. Yeah, it sounds like it. It sounds like a biggie. It wasn't great. Although, and I did get sucked in to something this week.

You know when something pops up on your Facebook? Yes, I know. I'm 48. Jamie probably doesn't have Facebook. I'm sure she doesn't. And something pops up on your Facebook and it's like an advert for something. And then you go in and then you buy it. And then it turns up at your door and it's absolutely shit.

And it looks nothing like the gorgeous thing. Then you can't believe you've bought it for 18 people. pound 50 and there's a reason that it's 18 pound 50 because it's shit yeah that happened what was it it was this dress it looked so stylish and cool and gorgeous and it was a burgundy it was just like a high neck and tight in the way it was just a gorgeous dress and I bought it and it came and it came weirdly whilst I had friends around on Saturday night for a takeaway and I took it out and everybody at the table burst out laughing like what the fuck are you going dressed as because we were talking about his 50th

Is that are you coming to my 50th dressed as a Victorian washermaid? I'm like, I might, I might be. That might be what I was going for, yes. We've been down this road before. Many, many, many times. Yeah, you open a lot of packages and you're very excited. I mean, I'm thinking about that skirt. What skirt?

It was like a big gold, was it gold? I can't remember the color of it, and Daisy was like, Mom! No! What was it? It looked like fancy dress. Was it pink? Was it like bright pink? It was a huge skirt.

It was enormous. It was like a fucking circus tent. Was it a tutu? Maybe it was like a two, yeah, yeah, 50. Yeah, Adam's 50th, that was it. And it was either going to be great or awful and it really was, it was awful. It was from Amazon. It was truly awful. It was black. It looked like Halloween.

It was taffeta. It was dress up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like something Cynthia Reeve over there. Or Sarah Jessica Parker and looks absolutely fabulous in it. But hers probably wouldn't be from Amazon. That'd be my guess.

so mean but yeah you're right my mother she gets things at thrift stores who Sarah Jessica Parker very much does she

I watched this documentary yeah of Sex and the City no sorry and just like that before the second season came back and it was the making of and how they put it all together and obviously a big part of it

was the costume department and they talked about where they source a lot of the clothes and early on in Sex and the City they just didn't have it was century 21 they didn't have any of budget for anything. $5. So it was

pulling from here there and everywhere and actually they still they do get some very high end design. It was an amazing documentary.

They do get some high end designer pieces but still they still pull a lot from vintage stores thrift stores. Is she doing it herself for the

stylist doing it? She is immensely involved in every single solitary piece that you will see on the screen she has okayed it

and approved it. I love thrifting. She's the executive producer. Yeah. So she's enormously involved in the costume department and every single accessory that goes on her she will have approved pigeon bag what's that the pigeon bag that was a pigeon oh oh that was amazing amazingly revolting

anyway I'm going to tell you two things my mother again she's cropping up a lot this week Jackie Jackie yesterday Jackie says this is completely apropos nothing this is completely out of the blue I'm very surprised that you and Nicole are so heavily invested in John Hamm. What? Has she watched the morning show? Has she seen him in episode three with a tan? I was like, Mum, what are you talking about? Who's not?

Who doesn't like John Hamm? She went, no, obviously, he's very good looking. Oh, I can't talk about John Hamm. But she said, but you know, he's not for your age. I was like, I was like, Mom, he's younger than my own husband. What do you mean? He's not for my age. He is practically my age. I said, by the way, he's too young for you. I think, I don't know, she must have gone into some headspace where she was like her and John Hamm are the same age and you and me, we're much too young to like him. And then while I'm on the phone to her, she's shouting to my stepfather. Google how old John Hamm is. And of course, I'll tell you he's 54 because I googled it quicker. Because he's the same age as Ollie. He's younger.

And I was like, mum, where's this girl? She was a younger man. I would say he's a good pick. I'm not dissing it. But it was just the surprise that you and I found him good looking. But maybe she would think that we would prefer a younger man. I'll tell you what my most 40-ish thing was this week. Yeah.

I've just remembered. Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember. Not forget the paddle admin. Yeah. It was going to see the 40th anniversary of Lay Miss. Yeah.

With you. We covered that last week, yeah. Hold on. Marius comes on stage. We both decided very quickly. He is now too young for us. Too young. So we're now more invested in Jean Valjean.

I had this exact conversation with Jackie. I was like, Mom, she said, how is Le Miz? I was like, well, interestingly enough, Nicola and I both realized we fancy Jean Valjean, even when he's in his grey wig at the end and dying. He's still hot. Marius, too young. She said, yes, that happens. Still not into Javert.

I'm totally into Javert. No. No, too dark for you. He's not very nice He's just let it go He's not nice He's led his whole life through anger and vendetta I'm not into that

He's the baddie of the peace I know That's why I'm not into it Jean Valjean is about love and peace And acceptance and forgiveness He's about many things Yeah Let's go

I'm tired only lunch Yeah It's been a long morning We've interviewed a whole doctor About bladders and pro-doctor just a doctor. Bladders, prostates, kidneys.

What's a semi-doctor? No, he's a real doctor. He's a doctor. He's a doctor. He's a doctor. He's a proper doctor. Yeah, he is, a urologist. He was very interesting.

He was great, but you know, I'm tired now. I've used all of my energy. I know. I've had to dodge bullets from James all morning. I am quite tired. Let's go. Let's go and have some nice lunch. See you soon.

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