40ish - Sore Muscles, Sharp Comebacks and Nicole Scherzinger

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Today on 40ish: Lauren no longer understands teen fashion (when is a baggy jean just many sizes too big?) while Nicole is not impressed with Nicole Scherzinger’s approach to punctuality. Meanwhile, one listener finds herself emotionally and physically shattered after a HIIT class that was absolutely not what she signed up for, and another writes in feeling sorry, not sorry for calling out her boss on a Teams call for a textbook case of mansplaining. It’s giving sore muscles, sharp comebacks, and solid midlife energy. We love to hear from you! To share your feedback, dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife please be in touch at: Email [e-mail] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 This episode is sponsored by London Nootropics Get 20% off at LondonNootropics.com with the code 40ISH To book tickets for our live show in October click here: https://cheerfulearful.podlifeevents.com/festival/40ish---live-from-cheerful-earful-podcast-festival-16-oct-2025-tickets?clientside_routing=true Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I did say, I'm in a creative space. I see, well, I'm not an interior design. And then she said, what do you do? Yeah. So I said, I'm a podcast. I'm a motherfucking podcaster. What's wrong with Pilates and Long Walks, Louise? What's wrong with that, Louise?

Louise. Louise. This is one of the things that I love most. and hate most about the menopause. What? And then, he says, he realizes that she has sent a photo of herself, giving him a blowjob. Hello, everybody. Welcome to 40ish. I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Laura Michigan. This is the podcast where we tackle 40-something life.

News, meltdowns, rants, dilemmas, our own men. How are you this week? I'm all right. Are you still tired? I'm really tired. Are you still a Karen? Yeah. Are you giving Karen energy?

Yeah. No. Stop. I don't think I'm giving Karen energy at this precise minute, but there's definitely been points in the week when I have. Okay. I don't know how to stop.

Everything's fucking fucking me off. How do I stop? Very middle-aged. What do you want me to tell you? I am middle-aged. I started a potter. That's the whole point of this show, isn't it? Because I'm so middle-aged.

Yeah. But everything, everything is just an annoyance. Everything. I'm sorry. If you've got annoyances to share big or small, we desperately want to hear them. We really need them. Share your Karen energy with us here. Yeah.

Email us at hello at 40.h.com.com. Or you can even DM us. We don't mind if you're in a bad mood. We love it. I feel like I'm aging because I know. longer understand fully teen fashion and it's a problem well you say that but you came to my house yesterday and you're lovely lined crocs yeah and you even told me about what mode it's in sport mode and normal mode but i was taught that by the teenager yeah well i figured did did you know this

listener is that if you have a pair of crocs and you wear the strap at the front that's normal mode but if you put the strap behind your heel it's called sports mode It makes sense. Does it? Maybe when you're 12. Anyway, my 12 year old, you know he's like this vinted entrepreneur. He's like the vinted king of North London. He was so excited when he got up from school yesterday because this hoodie had arrived.

And it's from a brand called Palace, which I'd never heard of. Not Crystal Palace like the football team like Palace. And this hoodie is like a grey hoodie, but then inside the neck it has like a bandana scarf that goes all the way over your face. so if you put the hood up and the bandana bit up all you can see is eyes basically sounds a bit threatening you look like a mugger yeah so you put it on and pulled the thing up and I was like Josh I really really don't like this you look like you're going to mug someone no mom it's so cool you don't understand it's palace I said I don't want you wearing it

I don't like the look of it yeah we can wear it but not put everything up at the same time it was really threatening anyway about 9 o'clock he wanders down he's like mom you've got to try it on you've got I said I'm not trying it I'm trying it on because I know what you want me to do. Pull the band-dand-a-thing up and then you're going to take photos of me and then you're going to send it to your friends. I'm not, I'm not. I just want to see what you look like in it.

So I put it on, I pull the band-dand-a-thing up and I pull the hood up and he just starts crying, crying and then snap, snap, snap, so-toes, photos. And God knows, now all his mates have seen me in the palace, muggers hoodie. Great. It's a real look for me. It's going to be a meme this time next week. Brilliant. Yeah.

Last week when I was wearing baggy jeans, he made. me do one where I had to stand there and do some hand movement and some jeans movement and that was like a whole thing and then his friend was like I saw your meme Lauren it was really good I didn't actually know it was a meme but thank you yeah well I think we've probably been

memes many times that we don't know about he also wears jeans I know baggy jeans are baggy jeans but this kid is wearing jeans they look like you could fit three boys in them he's like no they fit they don't fit it's went to Primark to get some pyramers she came home They only had two XL.

Two XL? Yeah. You could fit about nine of Lily Rose under two XL. Yes. So I'm like, why did you, why did you get them? She goes, because that's all they had. I'm like, here's an idea. Don't get any.

Yeah. Diculous. Yeah. And then my eldest daughter was like, the only reason that she got them is because she knows that I like everything baggy. You know, it was like a total sister. I was like, oh, for God's sake. So now she's bought something that's too big for her she can't really wear.

And my other daughter's pissed off for absolutely no reason. Great. Brilliant. Brilliant. teenagers, they're amazing. Yeah. So you don't understand teen fashion. I mean, there are parts of it that is now bypassing me, but I also feel like I'm slightly being influenced by my 12 year old and that's probably also not great. I understand teen fashion. Do you? I'm now wearing crocs. I'm wearing a pair of mushroom coloured fleece lined crocs. I like them. I really like them. But I also found that worrying that you like them and I'm wearing them. I found that a worrying development in our life. Do you know what I mean? Because we used to wear like, here. heels and it'll be like wow we didn't wear heels on a Tuesday afternoon for you to come around and do a mammoth edit, did you?

No, but I mean generally we would not be complimenting each other on a pair of shearling lined crocks in mushroom. So right. Do you know what I mean? It's like it's tipped into a bad place. What next? That's my 40-ish thing. I think that is your 40-ish thing.

I like your crocs. And my fourth-ish thing is that I'm where I bought them and I'm wearing them. And also I have zero regrets. And also I'm very 40-ish in that I'm not sure I care and also I really like them I have got a thing yeah it's not really maybe a forage thing

but you were quite confused by it I just went to buy us coffees before we came in and the woman asked me if I was an interior designer and you thought that was really weird I don't think that's weird why is that weird because I don't understand why she just assumed a random position for you she asked she said can I ask you a question yes she goes are you interior designer

I thought she was going to say oh because you look like Kelly Hoppin. No, I don't look like Kelly Hoppin. No, I know you don't. No, but you look like someone who I know who's an interior designer. But she didn't say that.

She goes, oh, because she actually said you look like you're very creative. You were like, I'm a fucking podcaster, bitch. What? I did say, I'm in a creative space. I said, well, I'm not an interior designer. She said, what do you do?

Yeah. So I said, I'm a podcast I'm a motherfucking podcaster. I'm a mopo podcaster. Yeah. I said. Yeah. I'm actually a phone girl's stuff. Yeah.

Because I always feel like an absolute knob saying it, do you? Do you? Nob. Why? I've always had an issue with saying what I do for a living. That's ridiculous. I cannot tell you. Whatever anyone used to ask me when I was a hairdresser, I used to fucking cringe.

Why? I would say hairdresser. It's the most normal job. All right. Why is that cringe? I just used to cringe. And then when I was a coach, I used to fuck and. fucking cringe at saying I was a coach.

Yeah. Slightly more cringy. Why is that cringy? That's mean. Because hairdresser is like a very normal, solid job that many, many people do. And the people who aren't doing it need one. You know, it's like being a dentist or a plumber or an electrician. You need all these things and someone needs to do those things.

Very normal. I feel slightly weird about saying I was a doler, mostly because people would either say you're a jeweler. you're a dula or you're a dealer that was the other thing and you also have to explain what a dula is do I look like a drug dealer no do I look like a dula I mean I'm more like I'm a dula than I'm a dealer

but no one knew what it was and then everyone did know what it was and then it was like oh you must be like a knit your own armpit hair beadware no see the thing is is that because you knew the dula world and us lay people do not know the dula world I didn't know that was a thing until I met you

a dula I just felt was like a birthing coach yeah but they are in general a very crunchy brigade of women. Yes. So then I always felt a bit like you're going to make a lot of assumptions about me. But I think that's what it is. Yeah.

People, you're worried. That is exactly what it is that you always think people are going to make assumptions about you. Now if someone turn around to me and said, I'm a bookcaster. Yeah. I would make assumptions. I would make zero assumptions

because of my radio royalty heritage. You would make a million. So I think it's just cool. I think it's just cool to broadcast. We're not broadcasters, we're podcasters. We are. We are. Own it. Love it. Embrace it. Anyway, well, I didn't. I didn't say, I'm a Molfo podcaster. I'm going to go back down when we finish and tell her, by the way.

I'm also a Molfocter. I'm going to do a disclaimer now. Are you ready for it? it's not that exciting it's the same one that we do every week just before we dive into your dilemmas a quick disclaimer we're not doctors or healthcare professionals or interior designers so if there's an issue you are seriously struggling with please contact a qualified expert i wonder if people now say up by heart you know as they listen along yeah maybe probably the dilemma is this dear Lauren and Nicole but mainly Nicole I am 51 and last week signed up for a new express hit and flow fusion class at my gym.

I don't even know what those words mean. Express hit and flow fusion. We'll get back to it. It makes no sense to me at all. I thought it was basically stretching and some like cardio, you would be right. Instead, I found myself in a room of size 8 lycra clad professionals in crop tops.

You all seem to know a secret choreography. That sounds hideous. Hideous. The instructor barked things like 40 seconds amrap and 20 seconds recovery while pointing at some kettle bells everyone else dropped straight into perfect burpees i meanwhile was still adjusting my sports bra and gulping water trying not to pass out halfway through i considered leaving quietly but the room was mirrored on every wall so there was no way to sneak out without catching

my own eye in my full sweaty out of breath shame should i go back or just admit defeat and retreat permanently to the safety of pilates and long walks love louise what's wrong with Pilates and Long Walks, Louise. What's wrong with that, Louise? Louise. You might have hit something. What are you saying? No, she said...

She's not even writing to me. De Lauren and Nicole, but mainly Nicole. I'm just not even included in this conversation. It's between you and Louise. So off you go. I'll just sit here quietly. To be fair to Louise, you're not exactly a gym bunny, right? You don't know what a 40 second amrap means, do you?

No, I know Saramrap, but I don't know Amrap. Seram rap. It's the American name for Klingfilm. That's the only Amrap. I don't know what an Amrap. What is an MRAP? As many reps as possible. As many reps.

It's an acronym. Okay. Whatever. Whatever. There's only 40 seconds, so you just bash that shit out. Right? I don't know. Do you?

Oh, you would have a 40 second amrap, yeah. But anyway, it's irrelevant. I don't do things like this anymore. And also, right, Louise, let's start at the beginning. An express hit and flow fusion class, right. Express hit is an oxymoron because hit is express anyway. It's a quick way of exercising. Okay.

Right? Sounds better. It's high intensity interval training. That's what that sounds for. Sounds good because it's like done and over. It's done and over. Yeah, a bit like a smear test. It's like quick, done.

This whole point of a hit class, hit class is a very, rarely longer than half an hour. That still sounds long. Right. But a flow fusion? What's a flow fusion? This is not a thing. They've put two words together.

It sounds like a drink to me. It sounds like a bit of yoga. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. And they've just stuck a bit of yoga on at the end of the class. Yeah, it does. I would imagine. Yeah.

I don't know. So firstly the name. It's confusing. It is wanky. It's wanky. I was just going to say misleading. Wanky. Okay, wanky.

I don't do gym classes. anymore i don't do gym all classes you do actually you do a Pilates class well i haven't for a while all the classes at my gym they they are just not for me all the women they stand in the same place and they do some weird workout and she's right there is a secret choreography who the fuck needs that stress at eight or nine o'clock in the morning i don't need it at 2 p.m or 6 p.m i just don't need it no it's just not an effective way to exercise it doesn't sound very appealing louise get out of these classes just go and work out in the gym go and do some resistance training do it on your own listen to the music you want to listen to and feel comfortable can't she also do that and pilates

and long walks yes yes yes and bring all those worlds together she can also do the express hit and flow fusion if she so chooses i bet you could get that on youtube but she said should i go back well i would say no because you hated it and also you're 51 so why are you doing things you don't want to do anymore. The time for that shit has passed. 51 you do only what you want when you want to do it unless it's absolutely necessary like cleaning the kitchen counters

and emptying the bins and emptying the dishwasher and doing the laundry. Apart from that do what you like. What apart from the domestic chores? Part from the domestic load. There's a million things that you have to do that you don't want to do. Of course there is. Apart from that, don't do the things you don't have to do. Do you know what? I just don't. I just don't

have the energy, the wherewithal, the patience. I just don't. I just, this is one of the things that I love most and hate most about the menopause. What? The very little patience I had anyway has completely disappeared. I have no patience for anything. I, do you know what else I'm now allergic to? And I think this is a podcasting thing. I shall tell the woman in gales. This is a podcasting thing because I edit so much when people repeat themselves well you can only be talking to me because I'm the only other person you podcast with no in general in life if I'm having a normal conversation and someone says the same thing like three four or five times I can't stand it I think that's an editing issue it is because you now want to edit people yes yes yes you're like we've had a

20 minute conversation I wish it had been seven minutes it could have the rest I could have edited doubt. I could have edited this down to three minutes, 40 seconds. Yeah. Yeah, that does sound like a podcasting issue. Yeah. It's a podcasting issue. It's a menopausal issue. Like, the patience is just zero, zero. Even in the gym, I don't have any patience. I know. We heard last week. I, yeah. Paul has given us some feedback. She's backing you up. Hold on. You haven't, you haven't answered Louise. Or are you just, you're airing her. Excuse me. You're airing Louise. Do you know what that means? I did answer Louise.

I said, is there a way to incorporate the hit class on YouTube with the Pilates and Long Walks, but don't do things you don't want to do? Oh, you did. Thank you. Sorry, I forgot. Wow, you're editing that. I'm not. Edit that shit.

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in Canada for a limited time. This is from Paula. She says, Nicole, I totally hear you on the endless kitchen worktop wiping. I now call myself Dobby because most days I feel like the house elf. Yes. I am grateful I get to sleep in a bed and not a cupboard under the stairs, Paula.

I don't think I could get into the cupboard under the stairs. I hurt my knee. I definitely could. took the hoover out listen you could fit your fist in your mouth so you could put anything in anything you could do that to save some space my bed's very big there's plenty

of room for me the dog and the cupboard oh the cupboard what fit the hoover in my mouth that would be problematic it's quite large we had feedback on the fax remember we were talking about a fax vaguely fax machines did we ever use a fax machine someone on

TikTok said oh no for banking in large payments we still use Use fax. You can't get to a branch for anything over 100k. You have to send a fax. Apparently. What? Apparently so.

I don't know. That can't be right. That's what she said. Excuse me. There was something on Instagram. Yes. There was a whole story about a fax. There was.

I'm going to tell you it. You know what? I'm going to tell you, but you're not going to appreciate it. I've read it. Oh, you've read it. Yeah. Are we sharing it? Yes.

Oh, definitely. It's actually from the man who is. invited us to Paris for the portrait. It's the same chap. It's him again. The Parisian artist. He's very chatting. He said I've got a story about a fax.

Oh, he said, I've got a story about facts. And I was like, well, do you want to share it? Because what's the point of telling us you've got a story and then don't tell us the story? Can I just tell you something? I'm not the only person who's impatient. You are also very impatient today. I'm impatient permanently. Not today.

Generally in life. You're not impatient permanently. I think I am. No, you're not. I think I'm rubbing off on you, and I think you're a bit eggy today. I'm not. I'm actually fine today.

No, no, you are. You've had a go at Louise. You're having a go at Louise. I've had a go at Louise. You have had a go at Louise. What's the point of saying? I've got a great story, but then you just don't tell the story.

I just don't think this would have bothered you two years ago. Incorrect. It would have bothered me 18 years ago. Anyway, he said, okay, since you're twisting my arm, because he clearly was so keen to share the story. The story has gone on for four pages of my phone. I have to screenshsh up it.

But you don't have to read the whole thing. Just give, just... I'm reading it. No, don't read the whole thing. Don't read the whole thing. It's quite important to get the context. It isn't. He had a fax.

He bought a fax machine because he was an artist and then he realized, oh, nobody else... This is years ago. Nobody else has got a fax machine. So he's desperately trying to find people that had a fax machine. So he remembers someone and it's his ex-ex-girlfriend. Anyway, so then... So then he contacts her and says, have you got a fax machine?

She says, yes. He's desperate. for a fax he's got his whole family round his parents his best friends and his grandma they're all visiting him from the UK so basically they're all standing around the fax machine mesmerized that this is happening and then the paper starts coming out of

the machine and everyone's face is like coming in closer to figure out what the image is and then he says she used to be a stylist for penthouse magazine anyway more and more of the image appears and then he says he realizes that she has sent a photo of herself giving him a blow

a blow job and other various photos they'd taken when they were together so he tries to rip the paper out of the machine but they just kept coming he said she didn't just send one she sent six she sent six are you impressed I actually really am impressed yeah so he then just started taking them out and then ripping them up like some sort of madman yeah and then he said later that night his mother turned to him and said you know I never did like Lisa and that was his story about a fax machine um it was a great story thank you what's his name philip I think it is Philip, yeah Thanks Philip Thank you for being in touch Philip We do like it In touch Oh yeah You impressed that I read that

And not only did I read it Really impressed I remembered it Yeah So your brain fog isn't that bad You say it's bad but it's not It's selective I promise you it is not selective

That's a weird story to remember Considering it was very lengthy It's not a weird story to remember It's quite an out there story I wonder if Philip makes up these stories What other story has he told you? Never mind We've got one from a listener

Therein on Are you ready? Ready Hi ladies I think I have I had either a midlife meltdown or a midlife awakening yesterday will be the judge of that. I'm 48 and I worked for a company that deals in commercial property. During yet another pointless meeting, my boss interrupted me for the fifth time to explain my own idea back to me only slightly worse.

Basically mansplained. I smiled, I nodded and then I just snapped and I said to everyone on the team's call, actually John if you could stop mansplaining my own project that would be lovely the silence that followed was biblical i immediately regretted it but also i don't you know you know listen i am so here for this meltdown i love this meltdown i love this meltdown and i hate this meltdown it is also going to proceed into another meltdown because this is what happened to me in the gym the other week it's like he's doing a shitty thing right he's doing a shitty thing he's being disrespectful to you you are now calling him out on him being disrespectful and now suddenly but just because you call him out on it because

you're a woman and he's a man you're wrong all he told me that i woman explained something to him the other day isn't that just talking i can't remember what it was but he was like don't woman splain da da da da da da da to me and i was like i'm not woman spaining it i'm just informing you maybe I was woman-splaining. Is that even a thing? No. It's not, is it? He's not a thing.

Because he's turning mansplaining on its head because every time I say to Adam, you're mansplaining, he's allergic to it. He hates it. Because he doesn't actually realise that he's doing it. So you're telling me something that he often mansplains my job to me. Oh, I love when he mansplains podcasting to you. I absolutely love that.

often does that yeah it's good he doesn't mean to be mansplaining bless him he's not he's actually just trying to be really helpful yeah yeah no I know how sponsorship works in broadcasting thanks yeah thank you yeah for telling me how he's just trying he is just trying to help but they don't actually realize it's mansplaining so the thing is is that now you've got to sit there in the regret but actually he was mansplaining well he was also kind of taking her idea and taking it as his own. My whole family keeps calling me. I don't know.

Hello. What's the matter? What's the matter? I'm working. I'm recording a show. What? I was just talking about you. Yeah, I was actually talking about you.

You're saying I was handsome? I was saying that sometimes you might explain podcasting to me. Yeah, go on. You do. Well, you do. I'm not lying. It's true. Go on.

No, I don't know. All right, okay, bye. Your husband's just messaged me. What's he said? Awkward flyer on Instagram. What? My husband's just messaged you. He's just messaged me a real on Instagram.

My husband. Olly Mishgon, yes. He's not on Instagram. He has just sent me something from Instagram. What is it? Open it immediately. Because tennis was too difficult. Squash too sweaty.

And badminton is for losers. It's Europe's fastest growing sport. Because mediocrity spreads fast. The first rule of fight club. Don't talk about fight club. With paddle, there's also one rule. Always talk about paddle. Oh my God.

That is the perfect sweet spot between being active and sitting on the couch. That is not true. That is not true. Where you can hit the ball in any direction you want. And somehow it still counts. It's like golf. But for people with less money. Ah yes.

The paddle player. It's not really a sport. It's dressing up as an athlete and just showing up. my husband who's not on Instagram has just sent you a paddle Instagram I mean this is

what's with the husbands this morning yours is calling mine is messaging it's also quite offensive what he's messaged me I think he thinks it's really funny what are you going to reply I may not

you must listen just because he is against paddle it doesn't mean that it's not a sport and it's not enjoyable and it's not fun and it's not active. I don't care about paddle or tennis. No, but he's already made comments to me about paddle. So I get how he always tells me, I saw Nicole today, she was playing paddle.

I've seen him twice when I've been playing paddle. I'm like, okay, she plays paddle. I don't know why this isn't, like I know she plays paddle and you know she's at the same gym as you. But he always loves to tell me, I saw Nicole. It's like not a surprise. No, it's not a surprise. Like if he saw you somewhere very surprising, I'd be surprised. Yeah.

You know? Where would it be surprising that he would, might. to see me at the library like at the library yeah you know what that would be surprising or like at like a wig salon no because then I just think you were buying like some extension piece to wear to a party or something

there wouldn't be that surprising I think the library or I don't know like where else nowhere no I mean you're fine in most places I am maybe not the house of Lord's, but other than that, I'd be surprised if he said that he saw you at a garden centre. No, I've been to garden centres many, many, many times. You wouldn't be that surprise.

It wouldn't be shocking that I would be buying a plant or something for my garden. I do have a garden. I would wonder who had dragged you there, to be honest. But no, most places, even if he said he saw you in screwfix, I'd be like, that's normal. I think most places. I think I hit the nail on the head with the library. Yeah, library. but it's the least surprising that he sees me at the same health club playing paddle

which he knows you do well it's been wonderful and thank you to both husbands for joining us and also FYI you can't hit the ball anywhere and it somehow counts that it's just not I don't care I don't care okay no one cares apart from the paddle community but you know we'll keep it in the paddle community which isn't this podcast but you can start a panel podcast but not with me I don't want to start a paddle podcast start one with James you and James could do a paddle podcast together you could get all your paddle talk out and like earn money from it

and then I just wouldn't have to hear it you could get paddle professionals on you could get paddle coach on we could argue about paddle the whole time and the whole running we've already got a running joke what's it called the podcast paddle power paddle no it's just called

paddle podcast the paddle podcast I think there might be one is there or And also we've already got the running joke of how he won't play panel with me. Yeah. So maybe at the end of the series.

Yeah. Season. Yeah. We'll play a game paddle. Yeah. And I can. But as a team, no, no, we couldn't play against each other. But you have to play it as a team together.

We'd have to play as a team. Okay. This sounds like a great idea for you. Where is James? I don't know. We need him here for this. Anyway, what do we say to a non? I can't even remember what she said.

You know, she said, stop mansulating my own project on the team's call to her boss. Hold on. Can I just say, right? Yeah. Adam called in the middle of that. And Ollie's just been mansplaining paddle to me. Well, he's just more been dissing paddle. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe it's like we conjured them up as we spoke of them. They came. I can't even tell you the last time on. I'm going to look at the last time Ollie messaged me. Okay, go on. Oh, he sent me a happy birthday on my birthday. That was February.

So that's nice that he remembered. Yeah, it's very sweet. That's very sweet. Okay. So we've gone from February to October. with no text just what I mean it's not like

this is interesting this is interesting I'm going to ask him if he's busy he doesn't know we're recording today otherwise he probably wouldn't have done that okay

well he doesn't he also doesn't know that it's now on the podcast no he doesn't but he will do you know what listeners it's been lovely thank you for joining us

and our husbands on a fun family filled show today. Are we keeping Adam's calling? I think we should. Adam's calling? Yeah, I think we should keep that in as well. All right.

Yeah, just to show the domestic bliss that we both live in. Also, he wants to know what time a show is in nine days' time. Yeah. I don't know at my daughter's school. I don't know. And you know what? It's going to be like 7 o'clock, isn't it?

But also, guess what? You're also on the emails. Or go on the school website and have a look. Why don't you just go on Outlook? Hit search, hit the name of the school, and you might find the answer. I'm going to tell you why? Because that's a lot more effort than phoning you. And then you can just say 7 o'clock. You could have just said 7 o'clock, because it's going to be round about 7 o'clock, isn't it?

Well, we're being invited to a pre-dinner. Oh, right. Okay, so it might be six o'clock. But also just don't. Just keep the evening free. Maybe just don't go to Glasgow that day. Yeah, don't go to Glasgow that day, Adam. That's my advice, because I'll never hear the end of it.

Yeah. It won't go down well. It won't go down well with her or me. Okay. Or my door. No. No. Right, we'll see you next week or maybe later this week. Depending on this is Tuesday or Thursday, I don't know anymore. I don't know anything. What do we know? I do know that the ball doesn't go everywhere and it counts in paddle. That's all I know. I'll feed that back when I get home later. Thank you. He has played. He does know the rules. He does. Bye everybody. Bye.

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