40ish - Steam Mops, Baby Names & Trendy Moustaches | HRT & Dementia Risk

Episode Date: September 8, 2026

This week's midlife and menopause podcast: what does the latest research into HRT and dementia risk actually tell us about menopause, hormone replacement therapy and brain health? We break down what it means without the scaremongering. Plus: when your pregnant sister asks what you think of her baby name, are you actually obliged to tell the truth — especially when the name sounds like a Victorian ghost haunting a stately home? And we investigate one of the great mysteries of modern masculinity: why is every man suddenly growing a moustache, and is there such a thing as a genuinely good one (Tom Selleck aside)? Also this week: Nicole has bought a steam mop and feels like she's nailed adulthood, and Lauren has finally binned some Uniqlo "slacks" that were making her feel approximately 60ish. If you're enjoying 40ish — the midlife, menopause and perimenopause podcast for women in their 30s, 40s & 50s — share this episode with a friend who'll love it too. We love to hear from you! Send your dilemmas and rants: [e-mail] / @40ish.podcast 🎧 New episodes every Tuesday and Thursday Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

And I would put that look on and I look frumpy as fuck. Well, that was precisely what happened. I was not early 20s Japanese cool street style. I was frumpy as fuck. Frumpy as fuck, mid-60s. I think I open the cupboard under the sink to get out my detox and kitchen roll and there under the sink. Why are you doing that with no knickers on? What do you mean?

Why do you need knickers to clean a kitchen surface? Why don't you? Hi, Lauren and Nicole. My rant is about moustaches. What is this trend? What is this trend? It's awful. What is this trend? It's awful and it's bothering me, she says. Every waiter, guy in the street, pop star and both of my sons, age 21 and 24, have one now. To me, they only give off 70s porn star, bent copper, Hitler, or the village people. Is there such thing as a successful mustache because I am yet to see one? Hello, everybody. Welcome to 40-ish. I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Lauren Mishkon. This is the podcast where we tackle 40-something life for about 40 minutes, twice a week. We bring you very average advice and tackle midlife news. Your stories, your dilemmas, our dilemmas, that sort of thing. That's the vibe of the show. But we don't tackle it for 40 minutes. We tackle it day in, day out. We are fighting the good fight. Daily, hourly, minute by minute. Someone actually said to me the other day, a guy I was talking about his, he was talking about his day.

life. And he said, you see, this is why I like middle-aged women. Why? Because they're predictable, he said. I said, let me tell you something. What? Let me tell you something. I said, there is nothing. There is no other species on earth that is less predictable than a middle-aged woman. Correct. I do not know from one second to the next, how I'm going to react to something, how I'm going to feel about something. I promise you you are barking up the wrong tree. Well, maybe he's just met some really, really placid women. And if I'm so good for him. Well, he sees me every day, so surely that would be enough of a red flag. Subscribe on Apple Podcast for early access and ad-free listening across both this show and

Self-Care Club. And you can watch us on Spotify and see our delicious new studio with your own two eyes. Yes. Or in my case, I can't see with my own two eyes. So I'm having to wear these ridiculous reading glasses. I think we should both treat ourselves. to a proper pair of reading glasses, don't you? No, because I have very focal lenses, but I've run out. So I don't need reading glasses, apart from today when I do. I feel very newsreadery in them. You are.

Yeah, you are. You actually are. I am. But I'm going to assume that the next half an hour is not going to be about the news. Well, important news. I've got important news My most 40ish moment of the week It's important

I don't need to wear these to tell you this Okay I have a pair of trousers from Uniclo Now colour-wise I'm going to say Sludge Not a grey not a khaki

But in between the two Why would you buy a pair of sludge trousers Wastband Knows it, no button Just like pull up And shape wise Sort of a barrely But not quite a barrel

Anyway, I bought them in the sale. They're about 10 quid or something in the Uniclo's sale. And I wore them the other day because I didn't want to wear a track suit, didn't want to wear jeans. My friend came over. Let me just preface this by saying she is not a friend, unlike you, who would say, what's this? What are these?

Well, you don't need that many friends that do that. No, but like she just isn't a person to comment on clothing or look. She might just say like, oh, you look pretty, but she would never, she just wouldn't. Anyway. I'm trying to figure out which friend he was. I pan up and she's like, those trousers, they're doing nothing for you. And I thought, oh my God. Because if she said that, they really are.

They must be fucking awful. You're lucky you didn't wear them in front of me. I'm so lucky. You know, I took a like a long, deep, hard think about myself and I said to her, do you know what? They're giving me slacks. They're like, that is the word. You know when you're about 64 and you're in a trouser? Slacks.

She was like, I don't even know what that colour is. I said, it's not even a colour. Why did you buy them? You're normally quite a good shopper. I don't know. I think it was like a blip. Anyway, I wore them for the walk because, you know, I was walking. Then I came home to them straight off, wash them, put them on Vintage, sold them the next day.

Did you? Yeah. Can we not talk about Vinted? Okay, I know it's very triggering for you because you're locked out of the account, blah, blah. I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of. on a lot of money. But I could never wear them again. I texted her.

I said, you'll be delighted to hear I've sold the slacks. And they sold in a day? Yep. Sold gone. They were very popular. They were a very popular unicloat piece. And I said to her the thing is when I bought them,

the girl on the website was like this really cool, like about early 20s Japanese girl. I mean, I mean I go wrong at this point all the time. Yeah, I do. She was rocking them with like a t-shirt and some trot. And she looked great. But they could rock them with like a ballet slipper and like a ballet slipper and like a baggy t-shirt and they look cool as anything. Yeah. And I would put that look on and I look frumpy as fuck. Well, that was precisely what happened. I was not early 20s, Japanese cool,

street star. Yeah, frumpy as fuck. I was frumpy as fuck mid-60s. I think I've just given us the title of this episode. Frumpy as fuck. Yeah, well, there you go. Frumpy as fuck. What's your most fortish moment? I have made an investment. You're going to love it. You're going to be all over it. In fact, I actually think it's going to give you a right hard on. Is it a kitchen investment? Yes. Well, it's not just kitchens. It can go everywhere.

What? Is it made by ninja? Almost. Okay. It's made by shark. Which seems to be like the new ninja. Is it a new dust buster? No, shall I just tell you?

Yeah. I saw it on TikTok shop. We can play this game all day. Yeah, I mean, I saw it on TikTok shop and it was in the sale. Apparently it goes at like 80 quid. but I got it for like 33 pounds. It's a steam mop. Oh, sexy.

Does it have all the attachments where you can do like the gravity? You don't need an attachment. It doesn't need it. And it also, you know what else it doesn't need? What? Doesn't need floor cleaner. Because it cleans with the hot water. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's supposed to be better for you, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you love it?

I actually haven't used it yet. Oh. I was meant to before we recorded this. show but it like I've put it all together. Wow. Yeah. I mean you can clean anything. You have to, you have to plug it in. Okay. You just fill it with water. It heats up. Yeah. Okay. Like a flat mop. Yeah. Cool. How middle aged is that? And then I forgot about it. I forgot that I'd all did it. I don't know if you've ever bought anything off TikTok shop. Never. I wouldn't know how to. Come on. It's not difficult. You literally press buy and then you go into Apple Play and that's

It's so quick. You don't even realize you're doing it. That is how slick it is. And I forgot about it. And it came like, I don't know, maybe a week later. Because sometimes TikTok shop comes about an hour later or sometimes it takes weeks. You never know how quickly it's going to come. But it came in a normal time.

And the postman delivered it to the door. And I know the postman. I was like, hello. How are you? I'm fine. How are you? And he brings me this big box. I thought, what the hell is this?

And I said, what the hell is this? And I always asking this. He doesn't know. No. Why would you know? He can't. He's not looking into it. the packages, is he? Also doesn't care.

No. And then when I saw shock on the front of it, I actually squealed. I've got some feedback for you. Me? For you. From a listener. She says, the I don't know what to wear is absolutely a thing. I had a full hysterectomy and both ovaries removed last September.

I used to have this issue before the hysterectomy and it was always around my period. So this is a hormonal thing. Nicole, you look fantastic, but I get it. I'm so happy that it's a thing. And I think we are going to be digging much more into that over at self-care club. So thank you for that. Is there a name?

No. I thank her personally. Thank you because it was a very confusing time. And also, no one else in my peer group had had a hysterectomy before. So there wasn't like someone that I could sort of say, hold on a second, what the fuck is going on? And they could kind of steer me right. It was, but I will say that going through the summer and I feel so much more myself, I got signed off from the gynecologist about two weeks ago.

And since then, knowing that I don't have to have any more treatment, there's no more post-op shit, I am done. I actually feel so much more comfortable in my own skin again. It really did take me six months. It's a big operation. But I didn't know that because nobody talks about that. Yeah. No one talks about a lot of things that they should talk about. You know what else?

You know what else they don't talk about? What? It was very similar to the postpartum thing. There's so much in, and they probably do talk about it now, but I'm not in that postpartum space. But there was so little information about just stuff that we all experience, like hating your husband, not wanting to have sex for much longer than six weeks, like all. all the constant bleeding, stuff I just had no idea about that was very much a thing.

And then when I would be brave enough to say to my friend, like, how do you get on with your husband once you've had a baby? They're like, oh, I fucking hate him. I'm like, oh, okay, this is a thing. Thank God it's not just me. The whole hysterectomy thing, it was so similar. Interesting. We had another one.

Are you ready for it? Yep. I have a completely evidence-free hypothesis. As an entirely uncredentialised dog psychologist in brackets self-appointed, I suspect Bieber doesn't actually dislike the car. She's just responding to Lauren's perimenopause motorway energy. Dogs are incredibly perceptive. Beba is not scared of the journey.

She's thinking, Mum seems convinced when moments away from catastrophe, I had better panic too. Usual disclaimer, I am not a dog psychologist, canine, behaviourist, vet or any sort of expert. Please consult your own appropriately qualified dog psychologist before accepting this groundbreaking research. Well, I mean, I think I love that.

And I think there could be some true to that. But I will say that my dog also hates the car. And I don't have any driving anxiety. She hates it. Wimper's shakes, stares at me as if I'm, you know, someone's about to murder her. I think I do know what it is. And I think it's that she doesn't like the turning or braking. Because then, you know, they get a bit of a,

they don't know which way you're going to turn they can't prepare themselves and I think that's what does it and I think they feel a bit sick sometimes too do you know what these fucking dogs they've got it also they've got to sometimes

go in the car yeah yeah how many dramas have I had trying to put her in the car here they are it is the best moment of my entire life watching Lauren try and control this dog who is like

fuck off and she's a big dog and she literally she gets herself out of the lead and you're like, come up, she sits down. The woman who's got it all together. It's like,

no, no. She crosses her foot over the lead. That's the favourite thing. She sits down and then she just crosses her pour over the lead. So it's like, no, you can't touch the lead. Then I have to pick her up. But you don't. She doesn't let you figure up.

And all I do, I don't help you or do I. She just stands in the door and laugh at me. It's really supportive. Wedding myself laughing, watching you struggle with this enormous. dog. It's like just the best. Thanks. Thanks for that. It's all right. Do you want to know what's been going on in Midlife News this week? What? A study has come out about dementia and HRT. The research has followed 183,000 postmenopausal women in the UK for 13 years. Yeah. And what they found was there was a 10% lower risk of overall dementia with women who'd

used HRT and a 16% lower risk of Alzheimer's and the biggest reduction was in women who had undergone surgical menopause. That is you, my friend, 26% lower risk of dementia. Wow. Good, right? I mean, I did know that HRT very much helped with dementia or prevented, but I didn't, I didn't know the stats and I didn't know that surgical menopause had anything to do with it either. So the timing. Why? Why is that? I don't know. Is it fluctuating hormones?

Maybe. Is that what it is? Possibly. I don't know. They don't say. It's interesting. They said the timing's very important. Women who start HRT between 46 to 55 seem to have the greatest benefit.

Okay. And women who start around 51 to 56, the reduction was reported as approximately 23%. But they say there is an important caveat to all of this. It doesn't prove that HRT prevents dementia. It's an observational study. So the researchers looked at women who had or hadn't used HRT, it compared their subsequent dementia rates. So women choosing HRT can differ from non-users.

So it can be things like education, socio-economic factors, healthcare access, which can also affect how likely you are to get Alzheimer's or dementia. And Alzheimer's Research UK specifically cautioned that the study isn't enough to recommend HRT simply for dementia prevention. But that does sound very promising. Yes. But they've been talking about this for a while in the medical space. Yes.

About how it helps. Like the three main things that it, as far as I am aware, that HRT can help prevent or help, not treat, but is heart disease, dementia and osteoporosis. Yeah. Or definitely can support. Yeah. Yeah. up because more post-menopausal women die of heart disease than men.

Yeah. I mean, and that's quite a frightening statistic. It's the biggest killer of women. Yeah. Everyone thinks it's breast cancer. Everyone thinks it's breast cancer. It's not, it's heart disease. But post-menopausal.

Post-menopausal, yeah. Which makes a big difference. So if you're taking your HRT and then we can get those numbers down, I think it's so important. Agreed. So when people say to me, oh, I don't take HRT, I don't need it. And I always, I always quote those things. three facts about how important it is for your longevity. Absolutely.

Longevity is where it's at. Just a quick reminder that if you are enjoying this episode, please, please, can you share it with someone that you think will enjoy it too? It allows us to reach more ears and bring 40-ish to the people that will love it. Hello ladies, my younger sister is pregnant with her first baby and I'm genuinely thrilled for her. Oh, congratulations. That's lovely.

A few weeks ago, she told me they'd finally decided on a name. I won't repeat it here, but my immediate reaction was to say, I hated it, and that it sounds like a name for a Victorian ghost. I wonder what the name is. I thought that she'd laugh, but she just went quiet. Oh, she said that. Oh, shit. I thought she'd laughed, but she just went quiet and said that she and her partner loved the name. I apologize and said, obviously, it was their baby and their decision.

but I also didn't want to lie to her when she specifically asked what I thought. Okay, what she asked her? She asked. My mum has since told me I was incredibly mean and that I should have just kept my mouth shut. She said my sister is pregnant, emotional and excited that I had no business putting a negative opinion in her head about something as personal as her baby's name. I feel bad because I didn't really mean to upset my sister, but at the same time I'm struggling with the idea that I'm not allowed to have an honest opinion when she asked me for one. Was I genuinely out of line Or was I just too honest about not wanting my nephew

To have a name that sounds like he haunts the corridors Of a stately home Can I just say What is mean about this Is that she has not shared the name? Because what is the name of a Victorian ghost? Is he called like sterile? Thessel

Listen, it's very, very, very personal What you name your children And someone's always got a problem with the name you choose. You know what? Someone's always like, oh, I knew a Freddy. He was an asshole. You know?

Well, who would say that? Someone always says it. Never float the name. That is my rule for pregnant women. Don't float the name. Just announce the name and then everyone goes, oh, lovely, because no one's going to go, that's fucking awful.

But also it's your name for your kid and you can't please everybody unless you name it something that's a very vanilla name. I floated a lot of names around for my eldest, who was called Max, by the way, and everyone vetoed all the names. Everyone had a problem with all the names I was choosing. And in the end, I just didn't tell anyone that we were going to call him Max, and that was

his name. And then, this is the best bit. Yeah, but Max isn't a weird name. It's a nice name. It's a nice name. It's very normal. But he's not Max a million or Maximus. He's just Max.

Yeah. And then when he was born, my grandma phoned all her friends. My dad told me this, by the way. and she said, well, the good news is Lauren and Ollie have had the baby. Unfortunately, they've decided to call him Max. It's not even a name. Like, it's such a normal name.

What's that? Also, you're not going to give your kid a weird name. I am not going to give my kid a weird name. My kids have, I wanted them to have really normal names that suited them as kids and as grown men. Yeah. You know? Also, I wanted to be comfortable calling their name in the park.

Daisy! Like a dog. Daisy! Yeah. Yeah. No, but you can, get away with like, you know, weirder names for dogs. Yeah, yeah, you can, but you still don't want to feel like a twat calling it in the woods.

Well, I mean, I don't mind if you're like calling it, I don't know, like, oh my God, there's a dog on TikTok. Come on I'm obsessed with called Oreo. That's okay. Oh, yeah. That's okay. No, but you wouldn't call a child that. No, no, no, that'll be a little abusive.

If you have seen this dog on TikTok, Quazas, Oreo, oh my God, I'm actually going to have to get this dog. What is he? It's a Bernadoodle. Oh, I love a Bernadoodle. Mini Bernardud. They are so cute. Oh my God, he is.

Anyway. This isn't really, though, about the name. That's not really what she's asking about. Did you float your names for your kids? Or did you just choose names, not tell anyone to name them? Well, Lily Rose wasn't named for about four days. She's asking about honesty. And she's saying, if she's asked my opinion, surely she wants it.

Or am I just not meant to be honest? Like, when is honesty too honest? It's her sister, right? So her sister, and it depends. How her sister worded it. If her sister said, listen, we've chosen a name for the baby. We both absolutely love it. It's Algernon.

Don't you think that's the most gorgeous name? She should have just gone, yes, it's lovely. If she went, we've thought of a name for the baby, and I think we're going to call him Ebenezer. What do you think? Yeah, but if also, if you're going to call your child Ebenezer, then you have to be aware that people are going to have an opinion about that. But maybe they should just keep their opinions to themselves. It's not their child.

Then don't ask. It's her sister. It's her sister. What she's saying is, I'm fucked off because she lured me into a full sense of security. She asked my opinion. I gave it to her. And now she's gone and ratted me out to my mum. And now my mum's telling me that I've fucked her off and fucked my mum off.

I think the sister, and I understand she's pregnant and emotional and excited and all the things. But the sister has to also understand that every human being that she tells will have some sort of association. with that name because someone always has an association with every name. So she's never, she's not going to have 100% of people going, love it, love it, you know, that's. And also it's completely subjective. Totally. Totally.

Should she have said it's the sounds like a name for a Victorian ghost? I mean, I think that's quite funny, but. Ollie went away. I came down to the kitchen like 7.30 in the morning, you know, bleary eyed in, and don't ask me why. I was only wearing a t-shirt, just a t-shirt. Like, we need the poo vibes. I don't know why. That's just what I slept in.

That's what I came down in. But this has got nothing to do with the story. Anyway, I open the cupboard under the sink to get out my detox and kitchen roll. And there under the sink... Why are you doing that with no knickers on? Do you mean, why do you need knickers to clean a kitchen surface? Why don't you? Just got that.

That's not relevant to the story. I know, but I just find that really interesting. I put some knickers on. Open the cupboard and sitting there on the little plastic box that contains all my cleaning stuff is a rat. A rat. He's just sitting there staring at me. I screamed. I screamed so loudly.

I'm amazed you did not hear me from your house. Did anyone come downstairs to see if I was being murdered? No, no they didn't. Hours later they came down, mum, why are you screaming this morning? Because there's a fucking rat in the cupboard. Anyway, I sell a tape to the cupboard because I was so terrified and then I called the exterminators. They're weird people. Why?

Because firstly, they look like rats. They've been before. They look like rats. And they're just... Both of them. Yeah. They're very particular kind of people. They are the least squeamish people who will ever meet in your life.

Anyway, they baited the kitchen with traps, put them under the... I couldn't see them. They put them like under the plints. And they said, you might, if it catches it, you might smell it, you might hear it. I just thought, I don't know what's worth if I hear it snap and the squealing or if I don't hear it and then I know it's in my kitchen and like I've had. What do you mean under the plinths? Like, you know, the plinths under the kitchen, they pulled them out. Oh, under there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been like, where did it come in from? Do you know? Well, either the waste disposal type or they said most likely just when the back door was open one evening when it was dark, it just scuttled in the back door. the garden door. It just came in and went into the cupboard. Oh, London life. I have had like, you know, like when your stomach's churning, like the hebie-jeebies,

I couldn't even cook last night. I actually went and bought sushi because I couldn't bear being in my kitchen and I ate it. Anyway, they came this morning. I couldn't be in the room. I said, I'm just going to wait up on the stairs because I don't want to. I don't, I want you to get it, but I also don't want to see it. Anyway, they pulled the prints out.

They got him. They got him. He said, I've got him. Do you want to see it? I was like, no, I don't. Don't you dare bring it out of here. So anyway, you took a photo. He's like, I'll show you the photo.

I was like, I don't want to see the photo. He said, but I want to show you. We've caught it. And then they just put it in a blue plastic glove and, oh. Anyway, it's gone. Thank God. That is. Give me a spider, a snake.

Don't care. But a rat or a mouse. No, no, no. I actually do have a meltdown. Yeah. School holidays. Oh. No.

No. Okay. Mine goes back on the. the 1st of September. Okay? Yeah, I know. I know. But he has been off since the 26th of June.

So is mine. Yeah. So has mine. You always say that. But she's not going back to the seventh. It's actually a disgrace. I mean, and she is like, I'm not literally, her mode is, I'm not doing anything because it's still my summer.

So she's not starting revising. She's got GCS year. She's not starting her new gym routine because it's her summer. Like she is like, I am not doing anything in my summer holiday that requires, you know, what she would consider work or routine. I do get that. I get it. Yeah, but you've been off since the 26th of June. They just, their brain just atrophies.

Today is the 28th of August. Yeah. Okay, fine. Yeah. Why can't we, we can't go back on the first or the second of September? They really should be. Why are we waiting an extra week? You should be rioting.

You should be with a placard outside the school. She is so bored. She's bored. No one needs 11 weeks off. I mean, at this point, I don't even feel like she's ever going to go back to school. I know, I know. I get it. I can't bear it.

I can't bear it. And then she like comes down at midday, what's for lunch, you know. It's the what's for lunch. It's the lunches. It's the going through food like. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I just, I'm so over it.

I'm over it. Like, could you please just get back to school? I don't, yeah, there's no mother who's not feeling that this week. Of course it's not her fault, but every mother in the country is feeling that. So like when she goes out and she sees her friends and everything else, oh, can you give me $20 for lunch? Oh, can you? Yeah, can you drop me here?

She wants me to drop her in Crouchend for 2 o'clock. I said, no, I'm working. Like I've actually gone back to work, you know? Well, how am I going to get there? I don't know. It's called Google Maps, figure it out. You know? I said, well, get her to meet.

You say, I'm not going to get to meet someone. I just I am so over it I get it I hear you it's awful it's enough already so all the kids that are going back this week well bye have fun you're not allowed to complain to me at all another week I'm not complaining he's out he's out and about busy so it's fine

I'm not bothered and also I don't like getting up a quarter to seven in the morning so I'm not looking forward to that bit oh I mean I get up any I'm still up at 6 o'clock in the morning yeah your father's daughter, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm up. I'm in the gym. I'm but low. But what difference? Well, of course, what difference is to make if she's at school or not? I'm still got to go to the gym. Not a 6am.

No, I don't get a 6. I'll go 7. No. No thanks. Do you want to hear the listener meltdown? Yeah. Hi, Lauren and Nicole. My rant is about mustaches. What is this trend? What is this trend? It's awful. What is this trend? It's awful and it's bothering me, she says. Every waiter, guy in the street, pop star and both of my sons, age 21 and 24 have one now. To me, they only give off 70s porn star, Bent Copper, Hitler or the village

people. Is there such thing as a successful moustache because I am yet to see one? Benton Boone's got quite a nice moustache. I knew you were going to say that and I would counter that by saying, I think he'd be better off without it. I will tell you. I don't know him with it. I know what you're going to say. I know exactly what you're going to say. We can have a whole, say it. Say it. We'll have a whole conversation without even saying. It's certainly the guy. It's Tom Selig. I'm saying. Yes, but we also have a younger, we have a young man.

I don't like Benson Boone's mustache. I like Benson Boone. I don't like the mustache. But we don't know him without the mustache. I tell you something weird. So my middle one, Zach, he's 20. He's in America playing football. There's a lot of Spanish boys in his team.

Basically every single one of them looks like Benson Boone. And I keep saying, you know, that one, the Benson Boone. He's like, who's Benson Boone? I'm like Zach, fucking Google him. I say it every time I speak to him. He does he not know who Benton Boone is. Anyway, how can he not know how who Benz and Boone is? He doesn't.

He FaceTime me last night. He's got a massage. Zach has. I was like, what's that on your upper lip there? He said, I'm trying so hard to grow it. It's not really growing in. He said, because dad hasn't got a good mustache, only beard. So he said, I'm trying, but everyone in the team keeps taking the piss up me and saying,

I've got like chocolate milk on my upper lip. But I'm trying. And I was like, I don't know how I feel about this, Zach, because now the whole team look the same. Mums aren't, what they're supposed to do, and mums aren't meant to like facial hair. Whenever Adam shaves his beard off, his mum is all. Oh, so much better.

God, all these parents say the same thing. Yeah, because they look younger and they look fresher-faced. And I like him. Well, we've talked about this. I'm a big fan of a beard. I went up to somebody, a waiter. Yeah. And I said to him, it was, it must have been in December,

because he had a moustache and I said to him, oh, have you not shaved that off yet for Movember? Yeah. And he's like, no, I just have a moustache. I'm like, oh, it's a trend. He's like, yeah, and then I realized. It's such a trend.

I don't get it. They all have one. They all look older with it. It's weird. I mean, I guess it's just everything goes in cycles, right? But to me it looks very 1920s. It does look like 70s porn star. Or 1920s?

I did about 1920s. 20s. It's 70s porn star for sure. I think we're just the wrong generation because we have very bad Hitler slash porn star slash village people associations but the girls in their 20s don't. They just have Benson Boone. I think he looks good with it but we don't know him without it. It's not, it doesn't do it for me. And I agree with her. I agree with this lady. I get it. I don't know what the trend is. It also slightly bothers me. It does slightly bother me and I always think it's an interesting choice whenever I see a man with a moustache. I'm like, oh, you're doing the moustache thing. Yeah. But it was like a similar thing with like the man bun. I mean, what the fuck was that? What the fuck was that? That was

disgusting. They used to shave it and then grow the top of it. Oh, that was gross. That was so gross. It's very pete wick. It's very Russell brand. It's tacky as hell. Isn't it? Oh, it's gross. It gives me like yoga teacher. Sorry for men because their fashions aren't nearly as exciting as are. No, they don't often get a new trend that comes in like with hair or with facial hair or anything like that. And usually I don't like them. But basically now they all look the same. They have a whole like llama mop at the front. I like that. A moustache. And sometimes what I now know is called a modern mullet. My husband's got one. A modern mullet. Yes. Yeah. My kids have got one now. Yes. Okay. I mean it's fine. But I don't like my son having a moustache massively. But he's in America. So what

I can do about it. Even in Dan and shave his face. And also even if he was here, we can do about it. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. It's not for you to say, is it? No, it's not.

So I get it. I agree with you. Is there a successful mustache? Yes. Tom Selleck. Chef's Kiss, Magnum P.I. Forever. Yeah.

Yeah. Or when he was in friends as Monica's boyfriend. I think he was at his peak as Richard. Do you? Yeah, I think he was at his peak as Magnum P.I. No. Richard. Oh, I'll tell you.

older. I'll tell you when he was at his own. peak three men and a baby yes Ted dance and Steve Guttenberg Tom Selleck three men and a baby he was lovely and I were there three men looking after a baby I can't even remember because the baby they were all living together or something or they'd all been with the same woman or they'd all dated the same woman and no one knew who I can't really it was a long time ago something like that I can't remember she's a bit of a slag she's set with all three of them within nine months within what do you mean within nine months within one week because she doesn't know which one's the

Oh yeah, we did one week, of course. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't want a slut shame, but really? Three of them? Wow. You don't want a slut shame, but you know, fuck it, I'm going to. You've got to stop doing that. Why?

I'm just being honest. What? I'll tell you why. I'll tell you exactly why. Why? Because you wouldn't call a man a slut for leaping with three women in one week. I actually would. I actually would.

But it's got a different connotation to it. And what did they call that baby? I can't remember. It's a girl. Then they did three men and a little lady. They sure did. Yeah. Yeah.

Loved that film. It was a very cute film. It was a great film. It was. Yeah. That was when Ted Downson was at his best too. So handsome. Okay, we're going to go now.

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