40ish - The Immaculate Bob Lady and The Icon

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

This week on 40ish: Stop the Press! Nicole has changed foundation brands and has also been rebranded “The Immaculate Bob Lady” Lauren is in some very functional new Uniqlo trousers - they may qualify her for early admission to the National Trust but she has recently discovered she’s an icon, so it’s all ok. A listener asks if she’s being oversensitive when her husband teases her about her outfit - babe, we’ve heard worse - and one woman rants about a pair of shoes that are “So Her” but is too scared to ask for custody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I like it mean dress up like a doll. A doll? I wish I could dress you up like a Barbie doll. What? You're being really weird. They mean it in an icon way. Yeah. So I'm down with that.

If you do say so yourself. If you are in perimenopause, I think actually this is your hormones because sometimes you can get really wound up over utter shit that the minute you get that patch on, you'll rub some gel on. You're like, oh, I don't know why that bothered me. But it really bothers you in the moment, right? you don't know yet, but yes, right. Hello, everybody.

Welcome to Fortyish. I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Lauren Mishkan. You sound like you're on first forward today. I only said a few words, but we are in a bit of a rush. But I don't want to rush the show. Where are we going? Well, you're not, I am.

I'm in a rush. I've got to have a doctor's appointment. Okay. I've got to go and have like a pre-assessment, ain't it? For my stupid operation that I've got to have on Thursday. That sounds fun. It's not fun. It's not fun.

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I don't even watch YouTube. So I don't even know if we are dying a death or not. Sometimes I think there's like sometimes notifications pop up and then I just ignore them. Yeah. There's nothing good happens on YouTube for us. No, it's not our place. Well, it's not our place because we haven't been on it. James always told us that we needed to be on YouTube

and you know what? We didn't listen. I'm still not sure James is right. But anyway, James, we don't know now, do we? No, we don't know. But please, if you've got something to share with us, email in, hello at 40ish.com.com. You can DM us, be in touch, be part of the conversation. Tell us what's going on in your lives.

We want to know. Okay, right. Come on. What's the most fortish things happen to you this week? I've bought some trousers. Yeah. I'm actually wearing them today. Yeah.

They're from. Oh, I mean, it's so. obvious when you look at them where they're from. Oh, let's see. Stand up. You'll know immediately. They're not Zara. I mean, they're...

Come on. Eminus? So it's not obvious, then. It is obvious. Uniglo. They are so uniglo. Aren't they the most like quintessential uniglo trouser? Yeah.

Yeah. They are a barrel leg. Let's stand up again. Casual trous. They're not barrel. They are, says on the label. Yeah, but it's uniglo barrel. What barrel?

Okay. Barrel light. Does that? Barrel light. It is barrel light. Yeah. It is very light. Really?

These are barrel. Yeah. That's barrel. That's almost horse shoe. Horse. What do they call it? It's the same thing. Oh.

I can't show you on the camera. Yeah. Those are barreler. Born barrelie. Anyway. If you're going to do barrel. And if you're going to say you're doing barrel, do barrel. I can't do barrel.

I can't because when we went on our shopping trip after the John Lewis Cafe incident, I tried on some very, very nice barrel leg jeans. They just made me look like a woman with a normal waist and then these very strange, enormous thighs that I don't have. It's because you're quite straight. Yes, I'm very straight. Yes, so it's too much fabric for you.

Too much. Yeah. So I did try it out, can't do it. But this, like a gentle barrel, I can do it. Anyway, they feel half like, yes, very appropriate. Quite nice. Normcore, they're normcore. You know, they're not a fashion forward thing,

but they're not like a tragic thing. They're just what normal people wear. What's normcore? Normcore, plain. No patterns, no fanciness. I feel like you've just brought. I haven't made that up. It's like a very old trend.

You know like men who only wear a plain Navy trouser and a plain navy v neck? Or a plain gene and a black crew neck. Normcore. Like Mark Zuckerberg. There's nothing. It could be Gucci. It could be Top shop.

You wouldn't know. Because there's no labels. There's no pattern. Yeah. You know what I mean? Norm core. I don't think Mark Zuckerberg wears top man. I don't know what the fuck he wears.

Probably wears some, like, hiking brand. You know what I reckon he wears? Patagonia. Yes, I'm telling you. No. What? Gap. Well, it's hard to buy Gap now.

It's online only. But yeah. American Eagle. That's all thing. You know? Yeah. Anyway, they feel very deeply 47 these trousers. Because they're not a track suit.

They're not a jean. They're a trouser. but they're a casual trouser but they're comfortable. I lost interest about five minutes ago. So, the minute you said Normcore and then you went into the whole explanation about Normcore, I just like, would you rather I wore some Victoriana bodice

because that is the other way I'm going. Why? Why that way? I'm just going back to... What? Wuthering Heights, Margot Robbie Sheik. We still have a heaving bosom corset. I can't wear that.

going back to it. I can't wear that. Since where were you on a heathing bosom corset kind of vibe? I do have a white, Rotary-on-Land, very long nighty, deep cut at the front, very long to the floor. It gives full wuthering heights. Okay.

But I only wear that in bed, obviously. But if you would prefer me to wear that to the studio with a cardigan on top, I can do that. I don't care what you wear. You do care what I wear. No, do you care That is not true

You very much do you care Do I care? Yeah When have I cared? What do I care about What do you wear? You will comment and care You comment more about me

Than I comment about you Yeah but I like it When you dress up like a doll A doll? I wish I could dress you up Like a Barbie doll What You're being really weird

Anyway What is your 40th moment Of do you buy trousers You know Yeah That's it You're just talking arts and shit. Which is it?

I bought some very normal core trousers from Uniclay. They're very 40-ish. They're very, very deeply 47. You're going to be 48 soon. Yeah, really soon. Like in a couple of weeks. But actually, on the website, everyone who's wearing these is like 19.

You know, you could wear them at 19 or 90. Yeah. Yeah. You could, yeah. They're okay. They're not my most favorite thing I've seen you. I know, but like they're fine. Are they comfy?

Yeah. No, I mean they're fine. Like, do you need to take them off when you're walking the house? No. No. Definitely not. Okay, well, my most 40-ish thing is that I have changed my foundation. You do that a lot?

No, I don't. You do? You mentioned quite recently you had gone on to ill machaage back to it. That was about four years ago. No, no. Yes. You did. Yes, I haven't had ill-macheage.

for a long, long time. Oh no, I'm thinking of I'll amazca. Yeah. No, I haven't had ill-maquage. I only ever bought it once. Oh. You were talking about it. What if you bought?

I bought the Charlotte Tilbury, blah, blah, blah. Whatever it is. No. Oh. What's the new one? Oh, there's a brand new one that I really want to try. Even though I hate her makeup. Why do you hate her makeup?

Because I think it's all style over substance. No, it isn't. No, you're wrong. I don't think the quality is very good. No, you're wrong. No, a lot of people say that. No, you're wrong. I think that's that great.

I love Charlotte. Tilbury. Anyway, I've worn her foundation for years. Yeah. On and off. But I normally have the, like the, whatever it is, the more glowy one, the one with lighter, I can't even think straight today. I don't know, because I don't wear, her stuff.

It's like not as covering. Okay. Shear. Yeah. Dewey. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't have such a coverage.

Okay. This one does. Okay. So my most 40-ish thing is I've changed foundations and it has more coverage. And I think I'm getting to the point where I start wearing that fucking doubleware. Oh, S-Day Lord of doubleware. Yeah. I don't want to get to that point.

But I feel like I'm moving towards that point of doubleware. But isn't it as you get older you're supposed to wear less makeup? Because more ages you. Well, so I've stopped wearing foundation because I feel like I look older if I wear it. I haven't worn it for about two years. I just stick a bit of concealer under the eyes, a bit of blusher and get on with my day. I really like this foundation.

You are a foundation girl. Yeah, I am. I'm really not. I am. Anyway. Yeah. So I promoted myself. It's a bit sad.

Also, it might be the time of year. Yeah, like in the winter, you might feel like you need more coverage and in the summer less. I just don't do it anymore. The most I do is a BB cream or sometimes a CC cream. Or sometimes a CC. They're the same, you know. I really don't know what the difference is.

They're the same. There is no difference. Why do they make it so complicated? It's called marketing. It's called money. It's called consumerism. It works. Yeah.

It really works. What brand? Oh, what brand? It's not. It's okay. It didn't go anywhere. It's fine. Just before we dive into your dilemma as a quick disclaimer, we're not doctors or healthcare

professionals. If there is an issue you are seriously struggling with, please contact a qualified expert. Hi ladies. Two weeks ago I had my hair hop up in a claw clip whilst cleaning. My husband commented, your hair looks like a Viking like that. Inside I was like, what the fuck? But didn't let on how hurt I felt and just brushed it off. Fast forward to this evening, I was trying on an outfit for a date night, I think fancy, but still wanted to make a bit of an effort. So I tried on some boot cut jeans, a black cashmere jumper, black low hill boots, not Western style, and an oversized crop sort of tapestry borg fleece jacket

I showed in my outfit That's what it says A what? An oversized crop sort of tapestry borg fleece jacket I can't really imagine that But okay I showed in my outfit And I'll say if my jeans look okay

As I felt a bit self-conscious wearing tighter-style jeans I normally wear wide leg That's where she is with jeans Isn't it? Well she's not, is she Because now she's putting on a tighter pair initially said, yeah, you look nice and then said, I don't think you're going to like my answer,

but you look like a cowboy. Oh. That was the second strike for me, and I just told him straight that these are horrible ways to describe my appearance and no woman would want to be compared to a Viking or a cowboy.

I would. I don't mind the Viking. I like both. Sorry. Since you've seen Wuthering Heights. Yeah. I'm all about the outfit. Something has awoken.

I'm not sure what. But it's something. Something's percolating, brewing, awakening, festering, simmering. Okay. He thinks he's a perfectly reasonable ways to describe me. I'm up late, venting and contemplating

if he's just clumsy with his words, or is there more going on here and he's trying to knock my confidence on purpose? I finish crying now, so just give it to me straight if you think I'm being oversensitive in all this, or not, I really hope I'm not. I'm sorry, I think you are being a bit oversensitive.

Do you think that's mean of me to say that? I agree. I actually think she's... Oh, they're here. I actually think she's being a bit menopausal. If you're in your mid to late 40s and you're getting upset about this... I don't think he's purposely trying to knock your confidence.

I think... Okay, no one really wants to hear that. If you're getting dressed up to go on a date night and you ask your husband, how do I look? would be really nice if the responses, you look hot. You look great. You look hot. You look nice. I'm a way to get you home. You look anything. You know, you look anything. But I've definitely been called worse than a cowboy and a Viking. Like what? Oh, well, if I wear my big summer dresses, like if I wear a long maxi dress in the summer, Ollie always says who look like Mama Cass. Now,

for those who don't know, Mama Cass was a morbidly obese singer from the 60s who died. Now, that's not a compliment. But you know what? I don't think he's saying it's not my confident. I just think he thinks it's funny and I don't mind. I don't take it as a personal insult. Sometimes I'll put something on and Adam will just like make a noise like if I put something with tassels on. Yeah. He'll just look at me and go, yeha. He does stuff like that. But I find it funny. I don't mind that. I don't either because I do wear quite weird things sometimes and it's whatever. When I finished getting dressed for the Bermitza now, let's just bear in mind it took three people, four people. It took a nail technician, it took a spray tan person, it took a makeup woman and it took a hairdresser to get me to look like that.

I can't look like that on my own. And me. And you as the general stylist. I was the stylist. Right. I can't achieve that on my own. Anyway, I'm finally, finally dressed and we are about to go down to the party. And my error, I said to Oli, well, and he said, you look very dark.

I said, nope, try again. Try again. He means in your skin colour. Yeah. I said, try again. He said, you look very thin. And I thought, okay, I know he means. He nailed it.

I thought, I know he means that not as a compliment, because he didn't. But that's okay. I don't mind that. I said, no, we're going to try one last time. He went, you look smart. I said, okay, I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take smart.

Let's go. It'll be fine. He went, I'll talk more about it in my speech. He did. He did. He was so sweet about you in your speech. He actually was really sweet about it. And I hadn't seen it.

I hadn't read it beforehand. Or written it. Or written it. No, I hadn't. It was really sweet. Sorry, I'm eating because I'm so hungry. I can see. Anyway, the long.

one short is, I'm sorry, I really don't mean to be horrible, but I think you are being a bit oversensitive. Like, if you've been with someone for a long time and they say you're a cowboy or a Viking, like, okay, whatever. It's not the worst thing. Put it to some good use, I say. Yeah, get that. Whip out. And why aren't you wearing Western boots? Why the comment, they weren't Western boots? What's wrong with a cowboy boot? I tell you why. Oh, because it was more cowboy-y. Yeah. He's saying you look like a cowboy, but she's like, but I wasn't even wearing. wearing Western boots. I don't think that men are generally like that observant.

Do you know what I mean? They'll be like, she look nice or she look truck suit. So I don't know they really see. I think that's a touch reductive. It's not. It's not. It is.

Like either you're dressed and you look like my nice wife. Or you are in your home slovenly outfits. That's the other wife. You know, I don't know how much detail they really worry about. I've told you the story. so many times. It was worth telling again

when Adam's like, right, are you ready? We were on our way out. And I said, well, you tell me, am I ready? And he looked at me and he did not know whether I was ready or whether I wasn't. By the way, I was dressed

and didn't have a scrap of makeup on. And I said, am I ready? And he looked so scared and so worried about how to answer this question. And he just went, I don't know how to answer this question. I'm just going to go with yes. I'm like, well, I'm not.

Yeah. But that's what I mean. He just likes your face, whether it has makeup on it or doesn't have makeup on it. And he often comments on my hair if it's not done. But my hair is so rarely not done. But that's also because his mother has an immaculate bob.

So he's a man who has been raised on women with immaculate bobs. He really has. Yeah. He really has. I mean, you know, men tend to marry their mothers in one way or another. And he married Immaculate Bob lady. Because that's the role model that he was set. You've got to go with me.

show that. Immaculate Boblady. But, you know. So that would be jarring for him. I remember a conversation I had now at the Bermitsa with your friend Kate. Right.

And she was saying that her sons were talking, they were showing her this picture of someone who had, they called her the Bob, the Bob bitch or the Bob boss bitch or something like that. Right. And she said, no, you know,

I'm going to show you tomorrow night. There is another Bob boss bitch. as you show me the picture of this Bobboss bitch I don't know what I'm known as awesome oh Barberstrieson Oh it's worse things Oh no I love it They mean it in an icon way

Yeah Yeah So I'm down with that If you do say so yourself I know it's fine I'm down with it No it's fine they think I'm iconic I raise those kids

I raise those kids alongside my own I am iconic to them It's fine I am I am iconic to them I am I am. I will get them to say that on TikTok. It's true.

It's all true. You're going to get him so on to it. You know I follow one of them? Yeah. Quite obsessively. Yeah. Because he's cool. Oh my God, he's so cool.

And I'm a little bit in love with him. And even Adam said to me, yes, we all know you're a little bit in love with him. I said, I'm not a bit in love with him. He goes, you told him in front of me. I want you. The Hyundai Elantra Hydrant. inspires a special type of love, the type that makes you slow down and enjoy the ride.

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I'm talking about. She's just going to be iconic in the corner. I'm hormone-free and I'm still an icon. I haven't got a scrap. I am an icon. I haven't got a scrap of estrogen, progester, or testosterone in my entire body. But I am iconic. Do you remember that we had a dilemma about that bitch bride, who threw the massive

strap when the bridesmaids. Yeah. Or did the dresses a surprise to like, hey, we've taken the load off you and here's the dresses. And she had a whole tantrum about it. Right. So I asked, have you ever seen worse wedding behavior? There were some replies. I've only picked the top three.

Where did you answer? On the old Insta. Did you? Yeah. When did you do that? Last week. I have only, I only picked the top three because otherwise it would go on forever. My dad spent the whole car ride to church

talking about his pension plan It was a real mood killer That's quite sad Sorry What did you ask? Have you ever seen worse wedding behaviour? I don't understand the link Because she was an angry bride

But what's her dad got talking about Have you ever seen worse behaviour at a wedding? That's what I asked But they were in the car Yes, but it still counts as the wedding. Does it? Are we going to be that pretending? Does the wedding only begin at the reception?

Yeah. No. The whole day is the wedding. Oh, you mean she was getting married? Yes. Oh, she was getting married. This is the bride speaking. Sorry.

The bride says my dad spent the whole car. Did you say that? No. No. You just said my dad. Okay. Right. I'm assuming she's the bride.

Otherwise, why is she in the car with her? That's why I was confused. Right. Yeah, I'm assuming she's the bride. Otherwise, she was in the car with her dad. She could be going to the wedding with her dad. I'm assuming she's the bride. My dad spent the whole car ride to church talking about his pension plan, a real mood killer.

Okay. Okay. Get it? Okay. Okay. Now I get it. Okay. Jay, this is someone else, says, James Corden, walking around the reception area,

the wedding was at a big posh hotel. He was a hotel guest, not a wedding guest, talking very loudly into his phone, making sure everyone could see and hear him. him. It doesn't massively surprise me. Me neither. And then there's this one, which I don't know if this person has made up, but I could not leave it out.

A friend of the groom whipped his penis out, put it in a bread roll, buttered it, and went round the tables offering it to old ladies. No. No. No, he must have been very, very drunk. Do you think? That's actually like a costing old ladies. That's not okay.

Also, your wedding, ever, for the rest of your life, would only be known as the wedding where the bread roll. The bread roll, the bread roll penis wedding. That's so bad. I'd never, ever, ever, ever forgive that man. Never. Ever. Never. Never.

But if I was at someone else's wedding, maybe someone who I wasn't that close to or I didn't know very much and I saw it. Oh, I would find that hilarious. Would you? You'd feel so sorry for the bride and group, though, wouldn't you? And the pairers that paid for the wedding. Hopefully they wouldn't see it because that would be terrible. They would have heard about it. That's just terrible.

What's your meltdown this week? Have you had one? You're about to tell us about one about your pre-op appointment. Was that going to be your meltdown? You said I'm saving it for later. It's not really a meltdown, but okay, it is a meltdown. Okay. Yeah, you know what?

What? You have to have a, I've got an operation on Thursday. Yes. It's a horrible operation. I'm going to be fine. It's going to be fine. I just want it over and done with. Anyway.

And so, pause, can we also just say because of aforementioned operation, service may be a little more restricted to the usual. Yeah, well, we're going to say it here. This is why we're not like running away or doing anything, but we don't know how quick or slow Nicole's recovery is going to be. So normal service may not resume quite normally for a few weeks. So bear with, please. We're going to release old shows, though, probably. Yeah, I think we are. But bear with, that's why.

We haven't run away. We're just both convales. Lauren's even bought the track suit And I've made the soup I'm ready for your operation Listen guys We're all in the perimenopause together These things happen

It just is what it is So you've got to go for your pre-up appointment I've had my pre-assessment I've got another one today They're so annoying Two did you get to do a groin swab That's my favourite I did yeah

So fun I mean you know Anyway they told me in my pre-assessment I have to take my nails off And my toes Yes of course Look at my nails I have nice nails, you know?

I don't want to take my fucking nails off. Well, you could have to put back on once you feel better. I don't know how I'm going to feel. I don't know how long I can't drive for, all of this. And I don't want my nails to break. Like, it's not a big deal, but I'm going to feel shit. I don't even know I'm going to be able to blow dry my hair. I've got to take my nails off as well.

I just don't like it. Not here for it. Anyway, so I emailed the secretary and I said, do I really have to take my nails off? Can I just take one off? Yeah. I said, oh, no, you don't need to take the nails off. Oh, really?

Yeah. So she said the pre-assessment will tell you that you do, but you don't. Okay. She said the doctor and the anaesthetist are perfectly fine for you to keep your nails on. So my meltdown is this. I would have taken my nails off and it would have been a waste of time. I generally feel with these things like if you're an anaestist who can't tell if somebody is dead unless you're looking at their nail bed, you're probably not that good an anaestist.

Like there are other signs that the patient on your table is dead slash dying. Yeah. Sort that out. Like, isn't that why you go to medical school for seven years? Do you really need their nail bed to tell you this information? Because I tell you what? I didn't go to medical school for seven years, but I can tell if you're dead or not. Not by looking at your nail bed.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Good to know. You know what I'll do. Yeah.

Tell him. If you need my friends are stepping, she's going to be able to tell you whether I'm dead or not. Okay? And it's okay because she's iconic. and hormone-free. Bring her in to the... Roll her in.

Roll her in. And, you know, whilst we're there, I might get my guine just to jab you with some estrogen. She won't notice. I can even wear these trousers. They're almost like scrubs. They are like scrubs.

I bit like medical scrubs. So I'm halfway there to being an anesthetest test, just from the trousers. Okay. The anesthetist must be the nicest job to do in the medical field. Because your patients are asleep. No, but you also give them all the drugs.

all the drugs. Yeah, and they give you no gyp. And everyone loves the aniseise, especially in the labour ward. When the anisist appears, it's like, the hero has arrived. And everyone says,

oh, thank you for coming. I love you. That's what I mean. It must be the nicest job. Yeah, everyone's happy to see you. Yeah, it is a good job. Unless they haven't, unless you're in pain.

Because then, like, a couple of years ago when I had my back surgeries or my second one, I was in so much pain after. And then the anisisis came in, how are you feeling? I'd had him the first time and I was like off my face on morphine. So I felt amazing the first time.

But I said, I don't feel the same as I did last time. Oh. So I'm about to sneeze. That's why I'm giving you a funny look. So I've met a lot of anaesthetists in my time, as you can imagine. Excuse me. I've met many, many, many, many anesthetists. And they're all generally quite nice people.

But I do remember my, when I was having Max, my anesthetist was a very tall Nigerian man in his name was Valentine, which you don't forget, especially when he comes in and takes all your pain away. And when I had Zach, I had an epidural very, very, very late, like an hour before he was born. And the door opened, and I just remember saying to him, it was the same guy. And I said, oh my God, it's you. I love you. What I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I remember so clear. He was the nicest man. Because he took you out of pain. But imagine me called Valentine as well, cute, right? I mean, it's iconic.

Yeah, I know that. It's actually iconic. Okay, here's the listener meltdown. What's yours? You had such a good one last week. It's okay. You can take the week off. Thanks so much.

I'll just go straight to the listener one. I have a particular style and way of dressing which people comment on. Okay. My very close friend bought some shoes in a charity shop and she said, oh, I bought these shoes. They're so you. She showed them to me and yes, they are so me. She then put them in a box in her wardrobe.

Last month, she said I could borrow them for a birthday lunch. Lots of people remarked on them and how they were very my style. She kept telling everyone that they cost her a fibre in a vintage shop and fully disclosed she will never wear them, but will just keep them in her cupboard. I am unreasonably angry at her that she won't just give them to me and it's making me feel like a five-year-old, but I am 44 and I am aware that they belong to her.

Why don't she just ask for them? Good point. Well, it seems like the obvious thing If you're not going to wear them, let me have them. But then why is her friend not offering them to her? Why is she baiting her? But like, they're so you. Oh my God, look, I bought these shoes.

They're so you and I'm never going to wear them. But I'm just going to pick it in my cupboard, but they're so your style. Why would you do that? Why would you not say to your very close friend? Oh my God, I found these shoes for a five-renner charity shop. They're so you have them. But there's no way that she's doing that on purpose. No way.

She's definitely doing it on purpose. She's definitely not doing it on purpose. What's she doing then? Just not thinking about it. Just being a bit of a thoughtless cow. I don't think she's just not that tuned in to that whole thing. I think that's okay. Maybe she's really busy.

My friend, she is the head of two schools. Yeah. Two schools. Yeah. She has like six, seven hundred children in her care. She's like, I don't have time to have a problem with anyone. I don't have time to be pissed off with you. I don't have time to think about you.

I don't have time. Maybe she's just like really busy and does not have time to think about whether these shoes should be. in her friend's wardrobe or not, you know? I think it's a little thoughtless. If that was me and I found them, I would say, I found these shoes in a vintage shop. They cost me a fiver. They were so you, I bought them for you, here you are.

But that's because you run your podcast, and you've got some time to think about it. No, it's not. It's because I'm a nicer person. No, sorry, you're wrong. I would do that. I'm so hungry. I can see.

I've done a lot of exercise today. Right. Nicole's answer is, just ask your friend, please can I have those shoes that are sitting in your wardrobe and if you want me to give you the fibre back here's the fibre but can I have them because they're so me and I really like them and I need to go and eat some lunch

thank you so what we're saying that's what we're saying right yeah right good luck with your operation thanks I'll see you though on the other side no I'm going to see you not on air I won't see you according to the listeners I won't see you till the other side I think the listeners know that we will be seeing each other

Yeah. You're going to be in the operating room. Oh yeah, I am. I can't be. I'm really looking forward to that. Don't worry, listeners. I'll bring her back to you alive. And we'll be back as soon as we can be.

Yeah. See you then. Bye. Bye.