40ish - Viagra, Pillow Menus and It’s Called ‘Fashion’

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

Welcome back to the brand new season of 40ish!  This week Lauren has bought a functional rubber mac and is feeling super smug whilst Nicole is struggling to see as middle age has trashed her eyesight. One woman goes the full Martin Lewis calculating the ‘cost per shag’ now her husband is taking Viagra and wonders if the money could be better spent. And in a tale of midlife bravery gone hilariously wrong, a warrior takes on a rude young shop assistant… only for karma to deliver the ultimate backfire. Midlife is messy, funny, and, let’s face it, expensive. Come laugh about it with us. Because otherwise you’d cry.  This episode is sponsored by London Nootropics Get 20% off at LondonNootropics.com with the code 40ISH To book tickets for our live show in October click here: https://cheerfulearful.podlifeevents.com/festival/40ish---live-from-cheerful-earful-podcast-festival-16-oct-2025-tickets?clientside_routing=true We love to hear from you! To share your feedback, dilemmas, rants, funny stories or general complaints about midlife please be in touch at: Email [e-mail] Instagram https://www.instagram.com/40ish.podcast  TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@40ish.podcast Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/share/DVQWb6y2vesgeHEK/?mibextid=LQQJ4d  To order our book HAVE YOU TRIED THIS?” click here  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Have-You-Tried-This-Only/dp/1801293139/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1O7EA4ZF1O5CS&keywords=have+you+tried+this&qid=1699449028&sprefix=have+you+tried+%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On the one hand, I love that we're reconnecting physically. On the other hand, I cannot stop calculating the cost per shag, which, by the way, in case you're interested, is £6. Yeah. I'd kill for someone to fondle my balls for two minutes rather than what's gone on, having three children. Fuck off. I'd say not being able to. to see is still preferable to not having a working piece.

What? I heard you. Hello everybody. Welcome to a new season of 40-ish. I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Lauren Mishkon. This is the podcast where we tackle the chaos of being 40-something, hence the title 40-ish. Every week we dive into all things middle-aged. The news, your stories, your questions.

questions or dilemmas and of course we bring our own crap and our own stuff that we are navigating in midlife the mundane the ridiculous we're figuring out how to survive midlife together one rant and crisis and meltdown at a time or sometimes simultaneously sometimes it's all just one big mishmash one big beautiful mishmash beautiful mishmash i actually can't read the script why because actually i guess it brings me into my most 40ish thing but but but I basically can't see. Oh, I had that. So I would have, you're going to have to take the lead.

Oh, okay. Well, I'll just say don't forget to subscribe on Apple Podcasts where you can get early access and add free listening across both this show and self-care club and bonus content you won't get anywhere else. And you can watch the video every week on Spotify if you're a visual learner or you can listen on any other podcast platform of your choosing. And if you have something to share with us, please, please share it. big, small, boring, rude.

The more boring, the better. Yep. We want to feel like we are not alone. We really do. You can email us. Hello at 40ish.com. UK, please be in touch and part of our conversation. Because what is the show without you?

Nothing. It's just two of us moaning. Our life, basically. And you know what? We can do that shit in private. We haven't got to hire a studio to do that. Also, I love that you've said visual learner. Like they're going to do.

learn something during this show. They might. Let's not set them up, okay? Let's just keep it. I didn't want to say if you like visual stimulation because I thought that implied there was something racy or rude or we might do this show, topless.

But we don't. Racy. Yeah, racy. Like Jilly Cooper's riders. Racy. It's coming back, series two. It's called Rivals. What did I say?

Riders. Similar thing. There is a lot of riding and there's ponies. Anyway. And polo. I just want you to know, listeners, you're not going to learn anything. What you will maybe take away from this is feeling part of something, feeling heard, understood and that we are all in it together. But learning.

So, Nicole Goodman. What is the most 40-ish thing that has happened to you this week? Well, I was going to see what was written down, what I wrote on the script, but as I just said, I can't fucking see. So I'm just going to go with that. Okay. Oh, I can sort of see. Basically, I had to go and get my eyes tested over the summer,

and he's given me some contact lenses. He's given me one contact lens. Oh, God. So the one eye can read and one I can see far afield. And it's amazing. If I'm watching the TV or I'm driving, it's all great, but not when I look at a screen. It's problematic.

What annoyed me is that you actually went to have your eyes lasered. You fixed your whole eyesight problem. Then hormones in a couple of years. And now you've had to wear glasses and lenses. I mean, it is fucking annoying. Beyond. Yeah. Anyway, that's not my most foolish thing because bringing like my eyesight to it.

I know it is very middle-aged. But it's also, we can't make that fun content. We just can't. It's not fun. I mean, the next thing is not fun, but it is very, real and very much happening. I know you're going to roll your eyes. And I just want to put a trigger warning in.

Now I'm going to be talking about my weight. If you want to skip forward three minutes, then by all means do. I do not want to trigate. Can I skip board for three minutes? Can I just leave the room for three minutes while you moan about being a size eight to ten? I'm not eight. I'll come back when you finished. That's not fair.

Because let me tell you something. I've put on five kilos right now. If you had put on five kilos, I'd probably have. I would listen to it. Right? I would listen to the moaning. I would listen to it. I wouldn't like diminish you. I wouldn't like shame you for like having feelings about putting on five kilos. There is no woman on this planet that puts on five kilos and doesn't feel disappointed by that. Can we just say that's that's not over this summer. That's over a year. A year. I, it's progressively creeping up. No, but what I'm, I don't normally weigh myself. I never weigh myself. Neither do I. Neither do I. Yeah. But I wanted to because I came back from Holley. Honestly, nothing fits.

Nothing fits. I've got baggy jeans on and nothing fits. Okay. And that's when I know. So I thought, I've actually got to stand on the scales because I just need to know what I'm dealing with. Yeah. It's not to like upset myself or I just need to know.

It's data. It's data. Okay. So what are we dealing with? So I had a whole chat with myself where I still on the scales. It's just data. It's just information. It's like I used to say to women in labor,

However many centimeters I later, you are, it's just a snapshot of where you are right now. It doesn't mean in an hour, you won't be 10 centimeters. Well, I will still be five kilos heavier in an hour. But thank you for the pet talk. Anyway, I can see I haven't got the best audience here, so I'm going to skip foot. No, it's not nice.

What do you mean it's not nice? I think you look lovely as you are. Can I just say that and leave it at that? You can do what you like. You're an adult. and you can do whatever you want. Thank you. And.

And I'm just fucked off about it. But I am now, I needed to stand on those scales. It was a good thing. I am now reining it in, getting serious, but I don't want to be five kilos heavier. So you know what? Five kilos, six kilos, turn to seven, turn to eight, turns a nine. No.

Could turn to 25. It could, but it's not going to because it's a slippery slope. So now I'm just going to. I could just leave you in an armchair and feed you through a funnel eventually. That would be really fun. it wouldn't be fun it wouldn't be fun it's also never going to happen

why would you feed me through a funnel because that's what they do you know on what do they call it my 600 pound life there's a woman who actually just but that would then make you a feeder I don't think I mean I'm a feeder in a loving way but I'm not a feeder and they're like I'm very skinny and my partner is

600 pounds and I puree all the food and put it down her throat in a funnel because that's weird shit I mean So let's just move on and you tell me what you've been doing. Well, I shall tell you. And you can roll your eyes because it's really 40-ish. I am going to romance.

I don't even know what you're going to say. You will. You will. It's boring. It's mundane. It's practical. And it's very middle-aged. Is it very typically you?

Yeah. It actually is. Is it to do with the gods? garden? No, no, it's nothing to do with the garden. Okay, so that's one conversation. I'm happy to swerve. What are the other things that I can't be bothered to listen to what you talk about? No, it's mainly the garden. It's mainly the gardening. Kitchen stuff you don't like either, really. But I don't mind cooking stuff. You told me about your dinner. I'm happy to hear about recipes. It's not that. It's much more boring than that. I bought a very, very sensible rubber

Mac. Just leave it there. Rubber Macendosh for the autumn. Rubber. Rubber. So the rain just doesn't even touch it. Just runs off it. And do you know what? It's 50% off. Did you get it from rains? No, I hate rains.

Why? I just hate it. Why do you hate it? It's very strong about a clothing brand. Ollie bought me a couple of things from rains for Christmas. I just was so bitterly disappointed by them. Oh really? And I tried to cover it up And then I just didn't use them And then I said, you know what?

Have you still got it in your cupboard? Because I got a light race. No, I actually asked, I said, please, I really would make me much happier if you just returned them. He's like, exchange it for something. I was like, I hate everything in the shop. Can he please just return it?

But they're like very sensible rubber mackintoshes. What's the problem? No, they didn't have any mackendoshes and it's all unison, I don't know. No, it's khaki. I'd say actually olive. It's olive. It's got a hood.

It's got poppers. so it's so hashtag mum and I can't wait to wear that at the school fields when I pick up Josh on a Monday and a Friday about when you walk your dog? Yeah, obviously I'll walk the dog in it as well but you know what I like about it is it like

it's not glamorous, it's not sexy it was 50% off so I got it for half of it was quite expensive we know what 50% off means but it wasn't when I bought it. Where'd you get it from? M&S and I love it but I'm just saying this is this is mid-life but I also think right if someone now had to decide whose 40-ish moment they're going to relate to more I think it's mine like does anyone really care

I know no one cares that I've put on five kilos I am aware of that but also no one really cares that you bought this raincoat no I don't expect anyone to care I'm just saying it's a deeply 40-ish something to do is to buy something for purely practical reasons because you know the season is changing and you need something sensible. I wouldn't have done that at 20. We just thought, fuck it and want a handkerchief. your RBC ION Plus visa, earn three times the Avion points on groceries, gas, dining, and more. Cha-ching.

Then, redeem your points on gift cards from over 200 grand. Your idea of rewarding happens here. Conditions apply. Visit RBC.com slash ion cards. Should we get into our first dilemma? Yeah. Before we jump in, a quick disclaimer, we're not doctors or healthcare professionals. So if there is an issue you are seriously struggling with, please call you.

contact a qualified expert. You're seriously struggling with that sentence. I really was, right, you're going to have to read it because I can't see anything. I must have to shut my script. Here we go. Dear 40ish ladies, please keep me a non.

We shall do so. Standard. I'm 48. My husband's 49. And let's just say for a variety of reasons, both mental and physical, his old chap isn't quite as sprightly as it used to be.

That's a shame. He has started. using Viagra, which does the job and I'm not complaining. Okay, great. The downside is that these little blue pills are surprisingly expensive. Oh, I don't know. I didn't either. Without wanting to go

the whole Martin Lewis, I've done the maths and I can't help thinking, is it worth it? On the one hand, I love that we're reconnecting physically. On the other hand, I cannot stop calculating the cost per shag, which by the way, in case you're interested, is £6 per shag. Per shag?

That's a lot. six pounds sometimes i even catch myself thinking that what he spends on a multi-pack per month could have been spent on a nice takeaway two bottles of malbec or a monthly netflix subscription if he's particularly frisky we are talking gym membership money am i being completely unromantic for even thinking about the price tag should i just file it under essential household expenses do i bite the bullet and see if Costco does a bulk buy help. Costco will not do a bulk buy. How do you know if you ever looked?

They don't sell pills. They sell supplements. They sell like paracetamol. But yeah, but don't you have to have it prescribed Viagra? No. What, you can just go into a chem and say, can have some Viagra, please? I mean, I've never bought any, but I think so. Because there's always TV adverts for it, and it never says go and see your doctor.

It just tells you the name of the brand, and then you just go online and get it. Really? Yeah? No. Yeah. No. I don't, they're not prescription. I think you'd like go to the pharmacy and get them like you would an antibiotic eye drop.

But you don't need to see a doctor. But you do need to ask the pharmacist for some, which is just so embarrassing. Oh, how awful for men to have to do one thing that's a bit embarrassing. What are you talking about? Oh, you think, well, you don't think their wives are doing it for them? I mean, I know someone, right, over the summer who had to go and have their testicles check. the moaning oh and they touch me I was like oh my god

do you even have any understanding as a woman of how many people by the time you're 40 have rummaged up there with machines and fingers and hands and wands and spectacles and scrapers and fucking four steps like fuck off yeah I kill for someone to fondle my balls for two minutes

rather than what's gone on having three children fuck off it was really pathetic so Suck it up at the pharmacy. I'd kill for someone to fondle my balls. I mean, classic.

Classic. There's very few things in life that are free. And as you get to middle age, it turns out even sex isn't free. That's not fair. That's not on. That is so fucking middle aged. It's just not on. And I find that everything, everything fails as you get older.

That's true. Everything fails. So everything needs like preventing or dealing with or managing, like my eyes. sight for a perfect example or I mean there's other things like you know and this this now she's got to pay to have sex with her own husband with her own I mean that is just tragic it's just tragic it's better than not having any sex with him at all it depends on the sex listen we're just machines our bodies are just machines and they wear out with age it's normal it's natural it's okay I know but it costs so much to keep it maintained can I tell you what I think my issue would be

with Viagra, obviously not taking it but being on the receiving end of it, it's like, doesn't it go down? Well, it must do eventually. But it's like hours and hours and hours. I was going to say is like... And do they climax on it? They must do. Otherwise, they wouldn't take it. There's

no way men would take it. But do it? Do they climax and then it goes down? I'm assuming so. But what I was going to say is seeing it just takes like forever. And also, you know what I mean? It might not. It might be quicker. How do you know? I don't know, but I'm saying I know it keeps them up for hours and hours is a long time.

I'm saying, well, you'd be sore. I mean, oh, if it is going on for two hours, maybe they don't need to do it as often. I don't think it's, look, I don't know her financial circumstances, and I also don't know how much it's costing him to buy a multi-pack. What is the question? Should she just get over it and just get on with it? Yes. Is she being unromantic for thinking about the cost?

Yes. But I get it, it's an absolute gnaws. It's a gnaws. But it's just another thing that you can file, instead of like household expenditure, just file it unto being fucking middle aged. Yeah. You let it under that and enjoy the sex.

Yeah. Now I can't see with a contact lens or without a contact lens. It's like in that bracket. You know? I think. Like I have to decide. I have to decide. where I want to see things now.

What is this? I don't, I don't, it's aging. I don't want to have to decide. I just want to see. I'd say not being able to see is still preferable to not having a working penis. What? I heard you.

He would probably swap your eyesight issues for the flaccid penis. I mean, I don't know this guy. So it's good for him. Good for him. I would still like to be able to see my screen and the car in front of me. Would you pay six pounds a site? Six pounds a look.

Yeah. Yeah. A look. A look. A day. A look. A look. A look.

A day. That's a lot. Well, how much of the contact lenses? The contact lenses are a fortune. So I effectively am. Right? See? Now I have to pay to see.

She has to pay to have sex. Like, what's next? pay to go to the empty my bowels. It's going to be next. Sometimes I think about that. If you had to pay to poo. No, like, because everything like just changes and some things just fail. And then I think, you know what?

You should really appreciate the things that aren't failing like being able to do a poo. Right? Because let me tell you something. You don't think about this shit. But when you can't do a poo and you are constipated, all you want is to be able to do a poo. Right? And then you think like, oh my God, I didn't appreciate my mobile boughs. You know?

It's like when you have a toothache, you don't really appreciate your teeth until you have a toothache. You can't get away from toothache. You can't get away from toothache. You can't get away from constipation, FYI. It's a bit like, you know, when you have a cold and all you can think about is how fed up you are with your cold and blowing your nose all the time and how you're not really ill. It's just so tedious. But when you don't have a cold, you never appreciate not having a cold. Yes.

That's what I'm saying. It's exactly the same. It's doing a poo. Let's both appreciate today that we don't have. a cold. And that we can do a poo. And that we can both do it. What a great,

what a great day for us both. Can't you like. Can't you like scroll in, make it really big? No, I don't tell you. You'll be holding it in your finger all morning. Well, no, I would throw away.

I wouldn't then put it back in. I wouldn't like reuse it. I reuse mine. They're two weeks. They're two wiener disposables. Okay. Okay. All right.

I'll read then. Whilst you still can, be grateful for the back that you can still read. It's what's happening in midlife news this week. The unhappiest age is no longer midlife. Gen Z may be the first generation not to have a midlife crisis. When are they having the crisis now? Right. Gen Zs. Aren't Gen Zs our children?

We always talk about generations. We never get it quite right. We're Gen X. Yeah, we're X. Yeah. So they're Gen Z's. Yeah. It says for decades, people have hit an unhappiness hump during midlife, but perhaps no more.

A survey of more than 10 million Americans and 40,000 British households has revealed the widely documented rise in worry, stress and depression with age that peaks in midlife and then declines has disappeared. This shift is not due to middle-aged people suddenly becoming more cheerful. It's because Genzi is far more prone to despair and anxiety than any previous generation in their early 20. Oh, it's so sad. The average 22-year-old is likely to be far unhappier than their parents. The U-shaped trend in which well-being tends to decline from childhood until 50 before rebounding in old age. You know there's like that U-curve and we're supposed to be the unhappiest now and then it just goes up and up and up till you're so fucking happy at 19 when nothing was. works. Why are you so happy at 90 when nothing works? Maybe you're just grateful you're still

breathing. Well, I think by that point, you know true gratitude. So they've done this survey and they've basically, that's what they found. And they've said reasons for the disappearance of unhappiness and midlife are unclear, but it's thought that long-term impacts of the recession and job prospects for younger people, mental health care services and what happened during COVID and social media are to blame. So, should we, should we have our meltdown competition? We've got one from the listeners. Have you got one?

Hasn't this whole episode been one big one? One big meltdown? Yeah. I don't feel like I'm having a meltdown. I've bought a Robber Mac. I mean, it's not a sign of a nervous breakdown. It's the sign of a. very sensible, practical woman who's facing the autumn prepared, I'd say.

I don't say it was sexy. If you don't think that that is peak, middle age. I do. But it's not a breakdown. No, no, meltdown. It's not a meltdown. All right. Okay.

Okay. No, you're right. It's not a meltdown. I wrote something down, but as I told you, I don't think I can see it. I'll tell you what you wrote. You wrote, Back to School Supplies. Oh. Oh, what a ballache.

Oh. Is that what I wrote? That is what you wrote. Yeah. Okay. Well, do I need to say any more? Probably not. Because I've spent all morning on Amazon, on ASOS. I've got to go to the uniform shop after because before that, whatever. Before that, okay. All right, we're here.

Before that, I couldn't go. A, my daughter has been away loads over the summer. And B, it was on an appointment basis only at the uniform shop. But for years, seven to eight. She's in year 10. Oh. I mean... So now what?

So now I've got to go today. I've got no appointment. I've got to get there before four. I asked my daughter if she wanted to go early today so we could just get it out of the way. She's like, I'm not getting up early to go and get my uniform. Fair enough. Like, why does she want to do that? Yeah.

So that's what I'm doing. And it's just going to cost a fortune. And then I said to her, oh, can you check like what sports kit you need? I mean, she's never going to check what sports kit she needs. So we're going in blind. There'll be something she's. forgotten and the whole thing costs a bloody fortune and also why can't you

ever ever keep your scientific calculator why have I got to buy a new one every year every fucking year she needs a new scientific house does it have a sticker with her name on it on the back don't be annoying no one wants your comments here

no one I am just if it was rhetorical what's your meltdown my meltdown is that we we came back from holiday last week so we're in the first week of September now and we were in a really nice hotel really really really nice couldn't be nicer

but the pillows were atrocious and I kept thinking about that woman who wrote into us ages ago saying do you think I'm a weirdo for packing my own pillow and every single morning I woke up in this beautiful hotel and I said to Ollie I wish I'd packed

my pillow how is your neck and he was like they're not great pillows Maybe we can ask them for more pillows. They were like a fucking pancake. That's not a pillow. Pancake. And I woke up all through the night because I couldn't get comfortable in my neck

and I was like, oh, this is shit. Anyway, the night before we leave, I went down to reception and said, is it possible just to have a couple more pillows sent up to the room because, you know, they're not, I just need another pillow. She hands me a pillow menu. There are eight types of pillows.

any of which in any combination I could have chosen and slept on for the week and I didn't know about it and it really was a meltdown I really felt like my nights had been ruined by not knowing that such a thing existed who even knew such a thing existed I actually a pillow menu what the fuck the Karen energy around that whole story I just can't even Listen, we're old and we need next support

It's just a trip A pillow, hold on so Midlife meltdown Yeah You're bringing pillow menus Pillow menus I mean my meltdown is I didn't know Such a thing existed

Then I knew it did I have been somewhere that had Pillow menus before It was fucking amazing But also like tell the Tell the middle age people Day one Hey guys

You look middle age You let mid-aged. Here's your pillow menu. Here's a pillow menu. If you don't like what's on the bed, let us know. Right. What's the listeners' pillow? What's the listeners' midlife meltdown?

Because I'm thinking, it's not relatable. I don't even... Not relatable. What do you mean? Here we go. Hi, ladies. I had a case of midlife outspokenness backfire on me this week,

and I thought that you would enjoy my embarrassment. I mean, yes and no. You know what I mean? Yes, we will enjoy it. No, I don't want anyone to be embarrassed. But yeah, we will, won't we? Well, I'm like, it's got to be better than the pillow menu. Come on.

I went into a high street store the other day. Oh, fuck it. I don't know why I'm protecting them. It was whistles to try a few pieces on. I picked up a lightweight raincoat. You see, it's not just me. It's happening. Raincoats are happening.

Very nice. Carky, military vibes. Useful. I love this woman. She's so on my wavelength. It had a couple of toggles on both sides below the waist that didn't seem to do anything. And I remarked to the 20-something sales assistant that he seemed a bit useless. She gave me the most withering look and replied, it's called fashion.

But you're also in whistles. So you're probably about to spend 250 quid on this raincoat that you might want to cinch in at the waist. And if you can't, that's annoying. Yeah, but it's called fashion. Yeah. I was a bit taken aback I went into the changing room to quickly change into my clothes

and leave as soon as I could because I was so pissed off so when I heard her call out excuse me at the door I turned around and said excuse yourself you're extremely rude and I left

it was only when I met my friend for coffee 10 minutes later that she told me the back of my dress was tucked into my knickers and I realized that I had walked around my whole local area like that

because I refused to listen to the girl in the shop who was obviously trying to tell me. I told my friend that I did it on purpose and it was called fashion. That's what she should have said to this. I love the show. Please keep keeping me company every week, please, Steph.

That is, that's fantastic. And I'm sorry for your embarrassment. That is totally fantastic. I actually had a little bit of a brat attack in a supermarket in France this holiday. Oh yeah. Because that you weren't allowed to take the trolley out. It was like one of those hypermarkets.

Oh, yeah. Right. So I had a whole load of stuff and you've got to pay for the bags. I didn't really want to pay for the bags because. But who brings brags for life on holiday? No, but, well, we always had them in the, it doesn't matter. It's a whole, the bag thing is a whole thing. And every time we went into the supermarket, we're like, we forgot the bags.

Yeah. They wouldn't let me take the trolley out by away from the cashiers. I'm like, what are you supposed to do? I had a whole thing of like, you know, 16 Diet Cokes. I had a bottle of water. Like I had big bulky stuff. And they were like, well, you can go over there and you can get a big trolley. I said, yeah, but I don't have the disc, you know, to free the trolley up.

They're like, well, then you'll have to go to information. Now, this hypermarket was as big as like a shopping mall, okay? It would have taken you 10 minutes to get there. I was so fucked off. I mean, call it menopausal rage. It was so inefficient for me to have to do that. And it was just like, you're just being such a job's worth. Just I'll bring it back.

Just let me put this. No. I literally. in the middle of it took everything and I was like this I knicked a bag they were like if you bought that I'm like it's mine

stuffed all the stuff in and literally threw the trolley out of them but you know I was so fucked off and like really practical is it you're supposed to wheel the trolley to your car that's kind of the point really you know

do they give a fuck no they just see me as some moody rude woman now whatever you don't live in France so who cares I know thank God I think we should let this lady win that you

she's fully deserving. You mean my story about rulers isn't going to... What do you mean my fully relatable pillow menu story isn't the winner this week? I might even edit that hour. It's so unrelatable. Yeah, that's hideous. Hideous. But great.

Steph, you are the winner. Thank you for writing that in. Well done, Steph. And well done. And well done for telling her nothing but just in your tone said it all. That's so fucking rude. yeah called fashion fuck off

fuck off anyway what a lovely show we can't finish there why not because we've just said fuck off and now we're gonna finish

why not we make the rules it's our show there's no boss gonna come in and fire us no even James is too busy to moan at us today

James is not our boss can we just say I just said James is too busy to even moan at us today he's not our boss that's good that is good and then he turned around to you

He said, because we haven't seen him since the summer, because he was away when we were last in. And he was like, you look well, you look, you know, so-so to me. I'm like, James, if you've got to start quite this early on, you know, I haven't even asked you how your holiday is yet. He does have to start that. Right, we'll be back next week, next Tuesday for our second show of the week. Please be in touch, hello at 40-year.com.com. Look after yourself. Keep being middle-aged and keep telling us about what's going on in your lives.

See you Tuesday. Thank you.