5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Bosh! Fisher and Allen go again at the Copper Box

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

Buncey is at the weigh-in to chat to Johnny Fisher and Dave Allen ahead of their rematch this Saturday at the Copper Box. He also hears from Fisher’s dad “Big” John, Allen’s trainer Jamie Moor...e, and Matchroom CEO Frank Smith.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 This is Five Live Boxing. Big heavyweight fights don't have to be in front of 100,000 people. Big heavyweight fights don't have to be in Riyadh. Big heavyweight fights can be at a place called the Copper Box, converted into the Copper Bosch. They don't have to be even between the two best British heavyweights. We've got Johnny Fisher against Dave Allen. It's a rematch.
Starting point is 00:00:25 In fact, it is the rematch. I'm Steve Bunce, and this is Five Live Boxing. Not often it's a glorious sunny day in this part of East London. Stepney Green, whatever you want to call it, Whitechapel. It's glorious. This is a fantastic old cinema. We've been here before. It's a Art Deco cinema.
Starting point is 00:00:44 It's got a lot to it. And it's been invaded once again. Well, it will be fully invaded by the Bosch Army. As will, the copper box on Saturday 9. It's a rematch. And it's a classic kind of modern British boxing fight, really, that actually resembles a fight from the 70s or the 80s. There's no world title at stake.
Starting point is 00:01:00 There's no British title at stake. There's two boxes, and I'm being honest, probably not in the top seven or eight heavyweights in Great Britain. And yet it will be a phenomenal night at the Copper Box. And I'm here with matchrooms, Frank Smith. Frank, first of all, it's true about this kind of fight, isn't it? It's an odd fight. I mean, we have 5,000 or people come in to see two heavyweights that really,
Starting point is 00:01:22 I mean, as much as I like Dave Allen and as much as I like Johnny Fisher, you can't put them in the top five, six, seven or eight. That's part of our deep division. 7,000 coming, Buncey. Seven thousand. So the Copper Bosch on Saturday, firstly. Then I'll take that amendment. Yeah, we'll take that.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Yeah, but I think it's all part of the journey of after this he's going to be looking, the winner's going to be looking for the British title. You know, I think Johnny Fisher, you got a fighter in that first fight in Saudi showed the balls and the heart that many people maybe question whether he had. And we had to find out if he had it, and he did.
Starting point is 00:01:51 And it's not his fault that the decision went the way it went that people disagree with. But it was still a tightness in him, all the screaming and tolerant. But what I mean is he did his part. Absolutely. And both guys did their part. And respect for them going straight.
Starting point is 00:02:03 back into it. You know, Dave Allen, I think, has got that experience over Johnny Fisher. I think they're going to both improve from that first fight, and we're in for a treat. Again, what a fight the first fight? And these are the nights we want to see. Were you surprised when Johnny asked for wanted and pushed you for the rematch? To be honest, it's all he ever wanted. There was no question about it.
Starting point is 00:02:25 It wasn't what other route can we go. He knew, I think he knew he had to go and prove himself, you know, many people's eyes. and he jumped straight back in there. And again, you have to respect him for that because it would have been quite easy. In the position he's in, someone who sells the tickets he sells with the profile he's got to go a different route.
Starting point is 00:02:43 But it was never, there was never a question of it from himself or any of his team. It would never have happened 30 years ago, you know it, don't you? A kid that sells a 4,000, 5,000 tickets for an event like this. He would never have been pushed into a hard rematch.
Starting point is 00:02:56 And that's just the bottom line. I'm telling you the truth. Yeah, but that's what's good. That's where the sport needed to change. Absolutely. At the end of the day, we all want to be entertained. We're all here to watch great sport, and we want competitive sport.
Starting point is 00:03:07 And that's what Saturday night will be. That's what the first fight was. And that's, again, like I say, where the sport needed to get back or probably improve compared to the likes of UFC and where it's fallen off the pace a bit because fighters weren't taking fights. You know, on Saturday night you see two people
Starting point is 00:03:22 going straight back in there in a proper fight and it's going to be no different. I think, I mean, Dave Allen wasn't necessarily a revelation in the first fight in Saudi in December, but it was an old Dave Allen. It was that Dave Allen that inspired, fired up Dave Allen. We know from the O2, like the Lucas Brown fights,
Starting point is 00:03:38 and even a couple of fights he lost when he was competitive. So it was good to see that fighter back. Now, assuming, as Dave insists that this time he'll be better, it makes it an even harder fight for Johnny. Yeah, but at the same time, Johnny had never experienced what he experienced in that first fight against Dave. Especially in the fifth round. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:03:53 And he showed that he can get through those tough points. And I think he would have learned a lot in there. You know, you've got to think before that he knocked out Alan Babbage in a round in terms of preparation for that. Actually, when we talk about Babbage, we have to say the Savage Babbage. It's just part of the BBC rules. It's part of what we do.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Sorry, Frank. I didn't know the BBC had rules about Alan Babbage's name. When it comes to Alan Babbage, he writes his own rules. You know that. He's an interesting fellow. But when you look at the getting to that point and the fights he'd had, it was a real test. And it was the experience played a key part for Dave in that fight.
Starting point is 00:04:24 And I think the experience that Johnny would have taken for that fight will put him in good stead for this one. But it's a proper fight. This heavyweight division in a moment, it's like nothing we've ever had. It is quite ridiculous with the top boys, especially if Tyson Fury comes back. What a division and what a potential two, three, maybe even four years, maybe not with Dillian White and Derek Delbo, Chazora in three or four years, but certainly with Moses Hittama, certainly with Fabio Wardley, certainly with Johnny Fisher.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Yeah, unbelievable times. You've got the rematch at David Adelaide against TKV. I saw Frank Warren run the purse bids for that. You know, and I think the winner of that fight probably could fight the winner of this fight, you know, coming off the back of this. Assuming they take that fight, because it's good money, but not not astounding money, I think they might say.
Starting point is 00:05:07 For sure, you got Justice Hunney against Fabio Wardley. Hard fight. It's a great fight. But it's proper fights being made. And again, it goes back to the point of what people want to see. Now, if we're going to keep growing this sport and building this sport, we need to make real fights. And losses shouldn't define fighters.
Starting point is 00:05:22 You know, and that's where, again, last 15 years, it's been looked at in a different way. You should respect fighters, based on, do they go in there and put everything into the fight? Will I want to go and watch them again? It's a bit like Connor Ben against Chris Eubant Jr. Absolutely. Conor Ben got more applauded at night
Starting point is 00:05:38 and maybe you would have done winning in a boring fight. That's the reality. Yeah, it's the reality, yeah. I've got to ask you, I mentioned Tyson Fury there, and I was talking last week about it and just saying it's really great at the moment because Eddie Hearn and Frank Smith can talk about Tyson Fury and Frank Warren can talk about Anthony Joshua
Starting point is 00:05:55 without you having to call up the border control and said it's a bit of interference going in there, Frank's tapping up Josh and then. But Rob, there's a bit of interference. That Frank Smith can't stop talking about Tyson's view. It's lovely. You can all talk about each other's fires. Yeah, look, we're all in the business now
Starting point is 00:06:08 making the best fights. Yeah. We're all on the same broadcast platform. And that's, look, it's been a drive that has obviously been massively aided and put together by the drive of Turkey Allowshake and, you know, the Riyadh season, ring shows. And it's brought the relationship together
Starting point is 00:06:25 and it's been positive for the sport as a whole. You know, if we can all work together, like the Justice Huni fight, Another example, one where we worked together, made a fight very quickly, a great fight, and two fighters taking a risk in Fabio Wardley and Justice. Anthony Joshua against Tyson Fury is the biggest fight in British boxing. I'm hopeful it can be made, but at the same time, we've done so much talking over the years. So sometimes you have to stop talking and just let things play out in the background
Starting point is 00:06:50 and hope we can make it because it's the one everyone wants to see. If it were to be this year, it would be a crown of ridiculous year, especially if we've got Usik and Dubois, potentially 70, 80, 90, who knows how many at Wembley. Then if we were to get that later this year and if it were to be in Great Britain, those are years you can't invent, Frank.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Even, you know, even five years ago, you couldn't have plotted out a 2025 like that, brother. No, 100%. You know, we're seeing fights people want to see, and it's getting better and better and better, and that's our job. And that's a good thing with a competitive market. Sometimes in a competitive market in boxing,
Starting point is 00:07:25 it goes the other way, where there's money being thrown about left, right and centre for fighters without the investment into fights. It's an investment into a fighter saying, I'll pay you this and you don't have to fight anyone. What we're seeing now is investment into fighters, but in real fights. And that's the good thing about the sport.
Starting point is 00:07:42 You know, fighters deserve to get paid as much money as possible. I'm not contesting that. Yeah, of course. But if we want to grow the sport to where we all think it can be and should be and has been, we need to make proper fights. And that's for everyone in the game, whether it's us making the fight, Frank Warren,
Starting point is 00:07:54 and other people in the sport. Listen, thanks, it's been an absolute delight and a pleasure. Seahad of Copperbush, 7,000 and brilliantly corrected. Now, I'm going to speak to. I'm going to go and find Johnny Fisher. So backstage after the way and with Johnny Fisher, John, that was a lovely little pep talk you gave the team there. Not that you need a pep talk and not that they need a pep talk.
Starting point is 00:08:21 They're a lively bunch and I thought I'll give them sank and the energy feels good and it's a show as well. I'm trying to give them a good day out. Big fight, proper every way fight, John, and you've got to be commended for pushing for it. Yeah, listen, after that fight, it was a very close fight. Some people scored it one way, some people scored it the other way. But what's the right thing to do as a man, as a competitor, as a sportsman?
Starting point is 00:08:42 We'll run it back, and why not give the fans a fan-friendly fight like that in the UK? That was an amazing fight in Riyadh, but imagine if that was in the copper box, well, we don't have to imagine anymore because it's doing it tomorrow night. It was an amazing fact from the very end, from the very start to the end. The fifth round was great. What's interesting about the fifth round, John? Is that some people tend to think that the fifth round and the knockdown was in like the ninth or tenth round
Starting point is 00:09:03 and that you were lucky to survive the fight. That's not true when you actually look at it, isn't it? Well, the fifth round, get caught on the break. Dave actually says break and then I'll get caught by a shot I don't see. Dave said break. Yeah, he said break. And me being my polite self, stupidly, he was like, okay, let's break. And I get caught, fair play from Dave.
Starting point is 00:09:21 He's doing his job. But what I'm happy about in that round is if you look to the second half of the round, I come back firing and I hang in there I tough it out and in the tenth round I actually rally and win that round as well
Starting point is 00:09:32 so that's what it's all about It's rounds like that and fights like that at this early stage for you to make fighters for later in life if you'd have had a blow out there like you did against the savage
Starting point is 00:09:43 you don't really learn too much You don't learn very little I know disrespects to add the savage but you don't learn very much at all listen I'm a professional boxer I'm a prize fighter if I can get through me fights and win him in 30 seconds
Starting point is 00:09:55 Happy days, so I get the next one, the next one. But in terms of long-term benefits, for me, the fights like that last one I had, the fight like the Gabriel and Gwemma fight at Ali Pally. They're the ones that progression with the cut, and little things and adversity, and you're not going to get much more adversity than a blood clot on your ear
Starting point is 00:10:10 and getting knocked down in the fifth at the very start around and coming through and finishing strong in the 10th. So I know I've got that confidence to draw on. Now, people keep saying to me, oh, but Johnny Fisher, you know, he shouldn't be taking this, because Dave's given Dave Allen longer in camp.
Starting point is 00:10:22 He'd be David Allen and this, but then I keep saying to be on a minute. What do you think Johnny's been doing over in Spain? Johnny's going to be a better fight. He's a better fighter after that fight. And also, I'm a sportsman. I want it to be a level playing field. I'm a great British sportsman.
Starting point is 00:10:35 And that's what I do as a man. You give a level playing field. That's what it's about. What an event, hey. Now, quite seriously. Because it's still early in your career. You're still only a baby in boxing tour. You know that.
Starting point is 00:10:44 We've got 7,000. Mostly going to be the Bosch Army. You're going to be getting to fight this guy again, silencing people who have been saying stupid things, winning, moving up. What a business to be in? Time to be everywhere, John. This is what it's all about.
Starting point is 00:10:56 I mean, I don't like looking back too much, but I dreamed of these moments when I was a university student, and I'm now headlining these events, and it seems ridiculous, but I worked hard to get in this position. I trained hard, and I've got to remember what I am. I'm a professional fighter before anything else, and this is my job. So my job tomorrow is to give everyone a good night's work.
Starting point is 00:11:16 So that was young, John, and the reason I say Young John is, is I'm now joined on the balcony at this fancy hotel by, I can't say old Johnny, by the other Johnny. Sorry, if I say old Johnny's... I'm old, John. Don't worry. I'm wrong. Now, you were particularly upset, John, after the first fight,
Starting point is 00:11:30 not with Johnny's performance and not with the result, but why the reaction of some? Just try and explain what a tight fight, as a former judge, just try and explain what a tight fight. Eric can be a really good fight, but someone's got to win. Listen, it was, I would have no complaints. It was one round in it either way.
Starting point is 00:11:48 If Johnny got the win, if it was a draw, if Dave got the win. Not got a problem with anyone that thinks that, and I never have had. But it's the hysterical over-the-top reactions just for views, just for clickbaits. That's what I had a problem with, and from people that you think are your friends. If they had said, oh, I thought Dave won that. It's a bit I'd done by there. Not a problem.
Starting point is 00:12:07 My initial reaction after the fight was I thought Dave might have fetched it. When you watch the fight back and you score it round for round. Have you done that with Johnny? We've done it for two, three hours with his whole team, and he wins the fight by one round. And we're watching it subjectively. But that's not to say that someone might have fought one in rounds, Dave won. Which is what we call, not a screamer.
Starting point is 00:12:26 No, it's not a disgrace, not a robbery, it was a close fight, that Johnny got the benefit of the doubt of. And we know that, it's boxing. He's had amateur fights where he's lost them. It's the way it goes. And he's had amateur fights where he's won by and mile not got the decision. Exactly, it happens. That's what people that have at the amateur grounding put up with every week,
Starting point is 00:12:44 week in week out. It's just our business. You know whether you win the fight or not. You know whether you've done well in the fight or not. And that's all that matters. Even though Dave lost the decision, he knew he had a great fight and he done well
Starting point is 00:12:54 so he's got his head hell do I did you know it was going to be an instant rematch or did you let Johnny what was your gut feeling because it's a bold one and it's a brave one and by the way
Starting point is 00:13:02 it might not have happened 30 years ago if you don't mind me saying so listen it's Johnny's decision in the day I'm his dad and his mum and dad we love him as a son
Starting point is 00:13:10 but it's his business it's his work we're there to advise and he took us away to Prague afterwards just after Christmas as a little treat which was nice of him
Starting point is 00:13:19 and he said dad I've got to run it back he said for my own sanity for my own, because I know I can do better. He had the injury, no excuse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's boxing. It happens. But forget about everything. Forget about all the noise. Me as a dad was proud of my son getting through that fight. A lot of people would have wilted, a lot of people would have quit. He didn't. He carried on. The way son, the way son, it's not a Chinese whisper thing where something's a fact
Starting point is 00:13:43 over here, but by the time it gets back, it becomes not a fact. It's a bit like when people talk about that fight, for instance, some people tend to believe that the knockdown was lucky in the 10th round and Johnny was lucky it so hard the fight. It was the fifth round. And he finished the fifth round strong and he won the six round. Bingo. Which is completely and utterly overlooked, John. If you just watched the highlights of the fight, yeah, Dave has the most eye-catching shots. Not denying that. That's what Big Dave does.
Starting point is 00:14:05 But it's a 10-round fight. You have to score each round. And Johnny won the first four quite comfortably. You know, round five was a 10-10, 10-8. Yeah, yeah. Johnny got six and Johnny definitely got 10. So he wins the fight. Listen, John, it's going to be a real spectacle. A tough fight.
Starting point is 00:14:19 A close fight. It was a great fight, and it's going to be a better fight, I think, maybe even as we call it, the copper box. It's going to be an awful lot there. He ain't selling 400 tickets. We know that. It's a bit more than that. It's going to be an unbelievable night.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Have you got one regret? As much as you love, Johnny, wouldn't it be lovely for him not to be your son on Saturday? You could put your feet up with a lad to enjoy this fight from the fifth row or something. Can you imagine that? Yeah, listen. You've hit the nail on the end there. You know exactly what it's like. But I've got to be honest with you, Steve.
Starting point is 00:14:43 I'm excited for the fight. And win, lose or draw, I know John is prepared as well as he can. and I know he'll give it all he's got. If he gets beat, he gets beat. As long as you've prepared as well as you can be, I'm looking forward to the fight. I'm hoping he's going to win, but I'm also a realist.
Starting point is 00:14:57 I know it's heavyweight boxing. I know Dave's in great shape. It's going to be a tough, tough fight, but you hit the nail on the head as well. That crowd in there is going to be unbelievable for Johnny. It's one of those fights, John, when you sit down at ringside and then you stand up and you take your headset off and you just look around and you go, get in.
Starting point is 00:15:14 That's what we live for. That's what we live for. It's what being a human being is all about. A boxing human being as well. A boxing human being. But listen, we just want to thank everyone for their support. Thank everyone that's turning out. It's going to watch it, going to listen to it on the radio.
Starting point is 00:15:26 It means the world to Johnny, and it certainly means a world to us. So thank you very much. Bosch. Thank you, Steve. All the best, my friend. So Big John there being as fair and straight and honest as Big John can be. And on the subject of straight and honest, I've got Dave Allen with me. Dave, you didn't hear what Big John said.
Starting point is 00:15:43 He said, doesn't matter win or lose. He said, if he wins, he loses, he loses. as long as it's fair, it's proper, it's boxing. That's a little bit like the way you've lived your life, really. You win or lose. You just get in here and do what Dave Allen does. I'm going to say train of thought, really. 33. I've retired four or five times.
Starting point is 00:15:59 I mean, it's all to retire 45 times. So we're in bonus territory, really. Been there since probably the price fight. So I win or lose or draw. I'm proud of myself. Got in a great position. But it's a fight I can definitely win, so we're up for it. In the first fight, Dave, it seemed to me,
Starting point is 00:16:16 I mean, it was a really fun fight, a competitive fight, a great fight. Fifth round was brilliant, you know, when you dropped him. When you've sensed that fight, when you look back on it, do you think that maybe you let it slip away down? Even if you thought you won the decision, do you think maybe that fifth round was pivotal. Yeah, I just, I couldn't do it, I couldn't get him out of there, I couldn't, so I came up second best,
Starting point is 00:16:38 I was just to score cards and that's all that counts. But I think I'm a lot better than the first fight now. I've been semi-retired since 2019. You know what I mean? I went to end there with Johnny on the back of five years of inactivity, really. But this has been a big camp, isn't it? A pop-a-camp? Yeah, the first one was a big camp.
Starting point is 00:16:55 I got fit, but I would just fit the first fight. I would just fit 18 rounds of sparring in the last two years. This fight, like, I've spotted a few more rounds. I feel like a boxer again. Yeah, I think I'm going to beat him, to be honest. It's a really strange fight, though, because the two of you, you're not the number one, two, three and four in Great Britain. and yet you're going to do 7,000.
Starting point is 00:17:16 Everyone's talking about it. There's no major title on the line. Let me no disrespects to whatever belt is you're fighting for. You're fighting for pride, really, aren't? And you're fighting for each other. And you're fighting for a place in that heavyweight stable. I'm fighting for an ensuit. I'm fighting to put my kids into a nicer school somewhere a bit nicer.
Starting point is 00:17:32 That's it, really. I'm not going to be world champion. I'm not going to be champion of anywhere. remotely big, probably not a continent. Maybe a country, hopefully one day. But I'm here to have a better life. That's it. But this is a win here
Starting point is 00:17:45 would be a big win in not just in British boxing, but in world boxing because the way it works so the Brits are dominating world boxing anyway, heavyweight division. We set up a trilogy. That's what I'm here for.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Yeah, yeah. I want to win this one, have the third fight and have the third fight. And if the second and third fight it goes, might have a fourth and a fifth. I might see my career
Starting point is 00:18:03 out boxing Johnny Fisher. Yeah, just, just fight. Hey, listen, stranger things have happened in this strange business we're in. Why not? If it's a good fight, do it? Yeah, I couldn't ask
Starting point is 00:18:10 to do it with a nice fella. He's a nice fella. We have, Our styles, I think, will always come together nice and create good fights. Dave, have you ever, sorry, and thanks for your time, I know you've got to go. Have you ever disliked anybody? Like, really disliked anybody. I don't mean, I don't particularly like him.
Starting point is 00:18:26 I mean, really dislike the opponent. Because I know with Johnny, there's an amazing amount of mutual respect. But have you ever disliked someone who you thought, Dave? Not really, no. No. I think a few of them have disliked me, though. But that's because you get under their skin. Yeah, I do, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:42 I think I've got under Johnny's skin a little bit. But I don't know on purpose. I must naturally be a bit annoying. But they're all good. And after, there's always a little bit of bad feeling after sometimes, but I'm too awful now, I'm past all that. In years gone by, you could say I've got a bit of an edge to me, but I think that's all gone now.
Starting point is 00:19:02 But I think the edge going, the ego going, and doing it for the money. It made me a better fighter, meant me more professional and made me more tuned in. I used to fight for ego. I used to fight for pride. No, I fight for money. And it makes me better.
Starting point is 00:19:16 And you can win this fight, Dave, go on you? I expect to. I think I'm better. He probably wants it a little bit more. He probably a bit fitter. But skills, pay the bills. And at this level, I am a hard man to beat. Dave, thank you so much.
Starting point is 00:19:32 Thank you. So that was Dave there. Now, Dave does look like a different person. I think he sounds like a different person. But you've been around him, I'm with Jamie Moore now. Sorry, it's all a bit hectic here. Jamie, first fight, that was one of the best versions of Dave I've seen.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Looking at him here, I think we might be in front even better, Dave, on Saturday night at the Bosch, the Copper Bosch. Well, that's the plan, Bunster. You know, he's absolutely dedicated himself way more than I've ever seen. The first fight was the best had seen him at that point. Yeah. And he applied himself fully to camp, but the starting point was a lot lower than it was this time.
Starting point is 00:20:13 afterwards, even though we didn't get the decision, he were proud of his performance. And I think he had that light bulb moment in that fifth round when he put Johnny over and the plan what we had sort of laid out for him all started to come to fruition. It was like a lightball moment for him. He was like, I get it now. If I'm consistent, structured and I stick to the plan,
Starting point is 00:20:36 it all starts to work. And afterwards, even though he'd lost on paper, he felt good about himself. And we had that conversation over Christmas and I said, listen, please just keep yourself in a decent type of shape. So we're not coming in, five stone overweight kind of thing?
Starting point is 00:20:51 Because next time when you're coming, your base will be a lot wider, meaning the finishing point can be much higher. And he did it, and honestly, he's so much better. Now, I know Johnny's going to be better. And that's the reason why I had to make sure that he was a lot better this time
Starting point is 00:21:06 because Johnny's going to learn from the first fight. He's going to try and make adjustments. So Dave's got to be better, and he is. so therefore we're here. At the end of the last fight and you and I haven't, we've talked since then, we've been around each other,
Starting point is 00:21:17 but I haven't told me, at the end of the last fight, did you think, did you think Johnny deserved the win or did you think he could have got the win? Or did you think you'd want it? What was you got feeling? I thought it was quite an easy fight to score.
Starting point is 00:21:30 Okay. In terms of the winner, so the first four rounds, you couldn't give one to Dave. The next five round, you couldn't give one to Johnny. And we had a knock down, which meant that Johnny had to win
Starting point is 00:21:41 last round if the worst case scenario was a draw yeah um so we i've mentioned this a few times when you start shouting robber it takes away from actual robberies because because absolutely the confusion between and you and you know real robberies real robber's exactly exactly and the difference between someone winning around by three or four punches and someone winning around where they've absolutely battered them but they don't get not down, you still score that round the same. Absolutely. So at the end of a fight, the perception of who's won could be way different even though you score in individual rounds.
Starting point is 00:22:20 So going into this one, are there any signs that you look for with Dave? I know you've not been with him since he was a baby, but you know what I mean? There's all like, you know, fighters that you've been around, you start to see a sign. So we're close to the fight now, you know. Exactly. And all fighters have that little switch where they're getting a bit edgier and nervous. But Dave's been very, very relaxed. like that's confidence from Dave's side. He liked that.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Yeah, mostly because I can see he's got confidence in himself because of the work he's put in. He's never had that confidence in himself because he's never put the work in like he has done for this camp. So 11 weeks ago, he said to me, I'm absolutely dreading this. What, during the training camp? When he started camp, he said, I'm absolutely dreading this because I know what I'm going to have to put myself through.
Starting point is 00:23:03 And on his last hard session, I went, now look how fast that's gone. Now, I know that you come from the deep and long boxing background and I'm just wondering if you and Nigel Travis has got any beautiful tricks lined up like I'd be ordering if I was you I'd be ordering and let everybody know that you've ordered 10 donor kebabs for 7 o'clock to be delivered to the dressing room you know and some vimtoes and some diet coax and some mind games yeah yeah and I'd be putting them outside like they're half eating you know like in a hotel I mean I mean anything bad
Starting point is 00:23:33 look at the sparkling your eyes I can see it I've recognised you know what if we needed some tricks like that then I feel like we would have but that the my confidence in Dave He's such that I've never seen him as confident in himself, and it's because of the work what he's putting. And I'm not really concerned about what Johnny's done. I know he's going to be better. We've got to take that as a given, but I'm so confident in a day
Starting point is 00:23:54 because he's a visibility to adapt during the fight. Yeah, and finally, before I let you go, I've got to ask you, if you can't give him an answer, it's not a problem. Jack Cadwell, Newbank, will be close to it being announced, or is it just a nice story? It could be. He's looking very, very close, but, you know, it's not a done deal.
Starting point is 00:24:11 I wish it was because we could get cracking and start working in that way. It is a good fight because listen, you know, flip this the other way. When Jack was fighting Josh Taylor for the first time when people were saying, is he good enough? Can he take that step up?
Starting point is 00:24:26 My answer was always, listen, you don't understand how good Jack Caterall is. I do. And nobody's world-class until they took that step up and no one knows whether they can or not. We don't know whether Eubank can make that step up or not.
Starting point is 00:24:38 My confidence is always in Jack Caroll is. Carl. So that's Jamie Moore there. Busy pod. Noisy pod. Good place, this fantastic old cinema. This is the type of fight, and I often say this, that I particularly like. It's a real fight. And there doesn't have to be any fake baubles on the line. It's just a little bit of, well, maybe not Pride. Dave Allen shot me down when I told him it was about Pride. It's just two men, as Johnny said at the top of the pod. Sportsman, getting in the ring to fight. 10 terrific rounds almost guaranteed. And I mean that, we're not in New York on this occasion.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Trust me. Dave Allen against Johnny Fisher, the rematch, live on five sports extra three from 8pm. David Adelaide, the current British heavyweight champion, will be ringside. Who knows? Perhaps the winner moves closer to a fight with Adelaide, assuming it's still the British champion.
Starting point is 00:25:30 It's a special night. The Bosch Army will swarm all over East London and they will take up every single one of the coloured seats, the colourful seats in that place to copper box, which by the way hasn't necessarily been a great big boxing venue. Tyson Fury failed to sell it out. We'll be there, it will be a fight, and as they say, in the Johnny Fisher business, Bosch.
Starting point is 00:25:53 I'm Steve Bunce, and this has been Five Live Boxing. A new series of Match of the Day Top Ten is out now, only available on BBC Sounds. Myself, Garolinnika, Alan Shearer, Micah Richards and my dog. As we dig into the top ten of the Champions League, we go through our favorite goal scorer's, best moment, and even our all-time 11th. Now that, gentlemen, is a list.
Starting point is 00:26:18 No, what he didn't get on a list? Correct. He didn't get on the reserve list. You can listen right now on BBC Sounds.

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