5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Five Brits, Four Belts. A Historic Night at Olympia

Episode Date: April 6, 2026

Did we just witness one of the greatest women’s fights ever? Buncey and Stacey certainly think so after watching Ellie Scotney crowned undisputed super-bantamweight world champion at Olympia. They hear from an emotional Scotney and her trainer, Shane McGuigan. Plus, they look back at the other three fights on the card, hearing from Caroline Dubois and Chantelle Cameron, while MVP’s Nikisa Bidarian reflects on a historic night.

This is Five Live Boxing. I guess all great boxing weekends have to come to an end, and this one did. At Olympia, four women's world title fights, five British boxers. That's not half of it. Those are just the raw facts. It was a sensational night. I'm Steve Bunce, and this is Five Live Boxing. Well, we were hoping for a good fight or two, or a big event, or a good event, or maybe a few highlights,

or maybe a masterclass. What we ended up getting, what we ended up getting in the four world title fights were four unbelievable knockdowns, an incredible stoppage, a blood and guts final fight that most people expected to be a walk in the park for one of the boxers.

And then we got what some people here are calling one of the very best ever, one of the greatest ever female fights. I'm not really sure how to break them down or where to start, but I'm joined with somebody that hopefully will throw a little bit of clarity onto my thinking and talk me through not just what happened in Olympia, but also a little bit of what happened in Cardiff when Lauren Price defended her world title.

I'm in a room somewhere at Olympia, somewhere about midnight, and I warn you, there is a mouse somewhere in this room, and if the mouse breaks loose, we may have to A... Not a computer type either. Yeah, not that kind of house, a real... And we've, of course, Stacey Copeland, who worked on Saturday night in Cardiff for BBC 2 and was working on Sunday night at Olympia for Sky. And I've managed to do a deal with her to do the pod with me.

That's a multi-talented and tasker. Stacey, I'm not sure. Where would you start? From an editorial point of view, I suppose you've got to start with Ellie Scotony becoming the undisputed super banterweight champion in the world, entering the ring with three belts, leaving the ring with four belts,

but a fight for the ages against Mali Flores, who was at least five inches shorter, maybe even smaller, and Ellie's not that big anyway. It was relentless, sensational, brilliant, inspiring from the very first belt. It was, it was just phenomenal. We expected a real humding

a barnstormer, all those. Whatever we want to use. But yeah, there's not enough superlatives to describe what Ellie Scotany did tonight. And I mean, just a footwork, a movement, a precision because Flores is hitable. She's there to be hit. You know, you don't have to go looking for her,

and she is very open to shots, but you can completely see how an opponent could be overwhelmed by that style. But Ellie is, her boxing IQ and her boxing intelligence is, you know, almost, second to non in the women's game. There's not many I think can compare

with her boxing IQ. She was sensational tonight. See, I think Flores is better than just the four foot 10 inch woman that throws loads of punches and gets close to your chest and wax away. I think there's a little bit of style to her. I think she's had to work. She's always

been small. Her opponents have always been big. So she's got a massive advantage over normal heighted women in the sense that they don't fight women. A five foot five inch woman doesn't fight many women who were six inches shorter than her. It's just like you at your peak, you didn't fight many women who were six inches taller than you. They might have been one or two that were a bit taller, one or two are a bit shorter. But a six inch, a six inch either way, that's a lot. So I think

Elliot had to really work tonight, calling on all our amateur and professional experience. And when she hit the rhythm in some of the ten rounds, because every round was hard, even though you could have given Elliott all ten of them in all fairness, but every round was hard. When she hit a rhythm tonight, Stacey. She was flawless. She's a beautiful boxer to watch, no doubt about it, because technically she's so sound and everything was within the frame of her body tonight.

She didn't go too wide. She didn't really make any mistakes to give Flores an opening. I think it's just law of averages that when you throw the sheer volume of punches that Flores does, you're going to get a cop for one or two. That's standard. But I was speaking to Shane afterwards, and he mentioned that she had that, you know, like cramping her legs from,

and he was saying to her, you're going to have to move your feet, and she was saying, I'm cramping up, to mentally be able to dig deep and do that as something else. She looked at the way in. I was a little bit concerned with how gaunt she looked and drained at the way in. It's no secret that we've been talking about her moving up to feather, not for a year, but for like more like two or three years. I mean, she's cleaned up here now.

She's completed. She can move across now. You know, and I think she needs to. As you get older, as we all know, it does get more difficult. But when I saw her today, when I was out walking and she was out of having a walk... When she'd rehydrated. She looked... I felt much better once I'd seen her because she had...

You'll know what I mean by this. Sometimes someone's skin and the light in their eyes, it's not quite there. But that spark was back in her eye. Her spirit was there. And I thought, no, I feel a lot better now. And she delivered, but I just do also want to say about the human being that Ellie Scotty is. She's a fan favourite. Yes, because she's an exceptional talent.

She really is. and she's getting the credit now and the recognition she deserves for that talent and the platform to showcase it. But she's a favourite and people take her into their hearts, whether it's the people in a gym, in a family or in her community or, you know, the boxing sphere because of the human being that she is. To be able to be that talented and that humble is something that we could do with more of in the world. And she's just a beautiful soul and so happy for her. I was very emotional after that fight tonight. I, we're going to hear of a little bit from Ellie. In fact, I'm not even sure we can really, we might not, well, we'll try,

we'll try and play it because I did follow her out of the ring with permission. And she was hobbling because she gets these terrible cramps after fights in her ankles or thighs all over, basically from the knees down, it seems to me. And I've seen her actually have to be helped in and out of cars after a fight recently, or one of her fights last year. So she was in, she wasn't in a great way. She had her hood up and she was walking the gauntlet of people

all of course wanting to, you know, touch her glove and congratulate her. And I realized she was crying her eyes out because I was talking to her, trying to get her attention. And then at the stop her, I put my hand on her shoulder and turned her so she could face me.

And I could see the pain in her face, a bit of relief in her face. Not a lot of joy in her face. And she was in a bad way and she was cramping and she's emotional. It's a lot of pressure as well, isn't it? Pressure going into this? Absolutely.

Youngest ever undisputed. Yes. You know, youngest ever male or female in the whole of Britain to do it and do-da-do, you know, and this fight got put back, remember, it was supposed to happen in November so it's been an awful long wait for it. And then everybody's saying, she's going to

keep coming, she's going to, she's got to be ready for this high work rate and all that. It's a lot to take into it. And yet, again, she had that spirit, that kind nature throughout fight week, but she will have known she had to be battle ready and she was. And she certainly was. So as I was looking

into her eyes, I did ask her a couple of questions. I'll play this for you, it's, it's very moving, it's very, it's had a very emotional, Ellie Scotony, having become the youngest British person, male or female, to become the undisputed world champion. That was an incredible, incredible fight. Yeah, no, it was, oh, Bont, I can't tell you how much I had to go through just to get in that ring to that.

I can tell from your reaction in the ring. I got your arm. I can, I can tell what it means. just try and put it into words. Honestly, Bonses, as I keep saying, only God, only God, what I had to get through just this camp and then this last week. I don't know how I got through it again. As I say, the day of registration, all glorious thanks that Jesus Christ,

like, oh, Bunce, he's been... Listen, I'll let you go, I'll grab you later on. I'll grab you later on, Elle. So that's Ellie there, and you could hear the emotion in her voice. That was the sort of co-main event. It was a bit strange. That was the penultimate fight on what was a sensational fight for Nekisa Badarian and Jake Paul's business MVP.

I thought the crowd really warmed to it, through the undercard, through the first couple of world title fights. And then with Ellie's fight, they just went through the roof. I was taking my cams off during the fight just to get a feeling for it. And they were really up and standing and screaming. And Nekisa does his bit as a cheerleader at ringside. So it was all rounded. Now, so that's Ellie Scott.

and as Stacey said there, a move to featherweight where she could start winning titles again and aim to become a double undisputed champion. The nominal main event really was the fight involving Terry Harper with a version of the World Lightweight Championship and Caroline Dubois

with another version of the World Lightweight Championship. And the reason why this fight sort of was getting a lot of publicity and people were talking about it was because there'd been a decent amount of needle. And in fact, it carried over We'll talk about that in a minute. Anyway, it was a strange old fight in many ways, Harper against Dubois.

The first three or four rounds basically cancelled each up, counselled themselves out. Very strange. Did you think it would be, did you think it would be that cagey? No, I didn't, no, I didn't think of that cagey. And also it was a completely different to the fight just before it, which set off like fireworks straight away. So I think it was more noticeable. Unbelievable contrast, yeah. It absolutely was.

But yeah. And I was thinking perhaps. from Caroline Dubois's point of view. When she fought Beaumeration at the Royal Albaughal Hall last March. Just over a year ago, she did struggle at the end. When Beaumeration came on really strong,

she was really tiring. And that's what Terry was saying, wait till getting to later rounds. But she didn't have to work hard enough in those early rounds to tire. To be tired in the last round? However, she also was cautious. So I wonder if that's a bit of fight management

over the 10 rounds where she was a little bit, you know, I can't go healthful leather here. And she'd made this promise prediction. It's going to be within seven rounds. I'll stop and then four rounds. But she didn't, that was all talk, obviously. And I'm glad it was because you don't want to see someone gassing out towards the end.

And I think she actually did the opposite. She started cautiously and then started to turn up the heat. I think she did get frustrated though, Bunce. I think she got very frustrated several times. Because I think she thought I'll turn it up bit by bit. But when she did, it wasn't working. And then Harper finds herself in a situation where she has her feet together. so she brings her legs together, gets trapped on the road.

Yeah, she wasn't hurt from the knockdown. But that round six knockdown was a turning point. But it was still a heavy knockdown without it being a damaging knockdown. And then, of course, I think it was in the next round. She gets cut by a braid. You saw that it was in as a bad blood. But then we have the last two rounds

where we go into Rocky mode. Terry had to throw everything out of them because she knew she was behind. But did you think you were going to be in a situation where the two of them are planting in their feet and slugging out? I never did. Yeah, no, I thought it gets to that.

Well, you hope it will, won't you? I mean, there's plenty on the line. As well as your pride and the bragging rights. There's titles on the line. So, of course, I did expect that. Yeah, at some point for it to happen. But yeah, Terry had to do that. But I thought Terry was really smart early on with the feet.

I think the ringmanship came from that experience, controlling the pace somewhat. But Caroline... And controlling the opponent's pace as well. You could see her getting closer and closer and closer. And she was sharp, and she was really fast with her hands and feet when she was launching those attacks. So you did feel it was a matter of time

and it was a bit of a tightrope for Terry that she was walking and that definitely when she dropped her, even though it wasn't the best shot ever and dead clean or whatever and she was off balance, you could see the reaction from Caroline. She was jumping up and down, roaring, screaming at the top of the voice. That's why she got a woman on the left. And that was a bit of vented, you know, frustration.

Relief. She motored on from there. We had friend Hennessy doing the Five Live broadcast with us because everybody else that usually works on Five Live was taking the big bucks elsewhere. That's what it says on my script. I'm only reading the script. Don't glare at me, Stace.

So we had a little friend with us, and she was really good for a debut. I mean, it really mean that. But she was also really smart picking up on small things. And she said, even after a round, or two rounds, rather, in the Harper and Dubois. She said, she said,

Caroline's just slowed her feet down a little bit, and she's just moving a fraction closer, a fraction closer, which she was actually doing. I'd say she did drop the Harper in the 6, and she did win wide scores, but listen, that's okay. It was another competitive fight that was, there was, there were wide scores.

Even in the rounds where there wasn't a great deal happening and like not a lot of leather thrown, because Terry was more negative and, you know, backing off, which she, you know, we understand why she was trying to do that, but of course Caroline was the aggressor. So there wasn't much in a lot of those rounds. He can't grumble about that. No.

And so we go to points, she wins it, the scores. Just read them out. 98, 91, twice, and 9792. And I had no problem with any of those scores. I spoke to Caroline afterwards, and I was quite interested to sort of find out if there is any respect now. Listen, she's a champion.

She doesn't like to lose. Leave it to you. Navvy do I? You don't. She tried her best, with a better amount of women one tonight. I just hope she can give me my respect. Let's hope she gives you your respect and you give her, because I know if she does you will.

How about Cloresha Shields getting in the ring, lifting you up, telling you you you're one of the great. You're in Fantasyland. Do you want to pinch you? I won't pinch you too well. Do you want to pinch you? No, listen, I was, when she came over and she told she was coming, I was so happy, I was so emotional.

I was like, I couldn't believe it. She's a champion, and I need to start turning up to her fights because she always shows out. She always, always dips into her own pocket and shows out, and I want to help her the same way she helped me. And finally, this crowd in here came out, not just for you, came out for really Scotland, They came out for all the women, but came out really just to show their support

because it was needed and it was brilliant. Yeah, I'm so happy. The crowd made the fight and what it was. I just hope that the crowd got home, happy, satisfied. They got their money's worth and, you know, they're appreciative. Women's boxing his hair and his head to stay. I'm so happy and proud that I was able to do what I did today. And leveling up, level up, level up.

I know I can do even better. I'm going for the knockouts and I will continue to always, always, always be exciting and go for the knockouts. Caroline, it's a pleasure speaking to you. See us soon. Thank you. I appreciate. So Caroline Dubrade, being diplomatic with whether or not, there's respect. Because it wasn't gushing. They have respect for each other. A bit of a cold touch of gloves at the end, wasn't in the final bell.

But you know what? I'm not against that. Because if people have been pushing each other, glaring at each other, saying things about each other, getting under each other's skins, and you know sort of fighters getting under another fighter's skin, when they start saying she's not getting under my skin, as soon as you say, you're not getting under my skin, you know, they are getting under the skin. As one as well, sometimes it's not for the benefit of the opponent.

So sometimes if I'm a fighter and you're a fighter and I might be doing all that towards you, it's not always to intimidate you and to put you off your game. Sometimes that's what I need to do to really, like some fighters are the opposite, they need to stay calm, they need to stay focused. Do yoga and re-poetry. Yeah, they need to have a good stretch and be doing Downward Dog before they fight, whatever. Others, they need to be riled up and they need to be in the face of the opponent not to put them off because that's what gets their adrenaline going.

So sometimes we might not see the reasons that people do it. So are they going to be best friends? No. Are they going to nod at each other as they get older and as they bump into each other at shows? I would say yes. And that's a relief. Now one man tonight, there were some men involved.

I was at ringside and they wanted referees. And of course, Shane McGregor. Now, Shane McGregan had an odd old job because he was in that would be in the corner training and also putting the bandages on the wraps on the two fighters in the main events, both Ellie Scotany and Caroline Dubois. I'd asked him earlier in the week how he was going to do that, and he just said, well, we're just going to do one.

Josh Pritchard will stay behind with Caroline Dubra. I'll do the bandages for both, and then I'll rush back upstairs after Ellie, pick up Caroline and go and do Caroline. Anyway, he did it, and I caught up with Shane, and I must admit, he did look a bit tired. He looked like he, I mean, he had a good night because he had two winners, you know, one in a unified fight and won an undisputed fire. But he looked like, you know, he'd put in, as we say, a fair shift.

Here I'm with Shane. We knew it was going to be an explosive fight. We knew it was going to be a high output, high volume fight. You know, you couldn't just stand back and make it look pretty. This girl was a whirlwind, and you could have hit her with the kitchen sink and everything else, and she still would keep coming forward. So about being selective, and she did that. You know, she boxed her at times.

she had to fight her many, many, many times. But, you know, it was everything. You know, when you become undisputed, what a way to become undisputed. In a real fight? In a real fight? In a real fight. I think it's one of the best fights,

one of the best female fights I've ever seen. Kettie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano, both of the first two fights. Unbelievable action. I think it's up there with one of them, you know? So do I. There was so many punches, clean shots, both got hit with everything.

And it was a team. testament to heart, desire and everything that you need in professional boxing. When you got a boxer like Ellie who's 5-4-5-5, how do you prepare that woman for a woman who's at least six inches shorter and stand shorter? I mean, because, you know, if you're fighting a six-foot-four-inch southpore, you try and fight six-foot's four-inch southpores. How'd you go about preparing Ellie for that whirlwind that was coming at her for 20 minutes?

And funnily enough, we sparred our main spirempartner was Kayla. Halo's a, you know, she's a 67, 66 kilo GB, you know, just a complete attritional fighter, fantastic come-forward fighter, going to be a great professional when she, you know, when she turns pro. But, you know, she's, she's night and day bigger than Ellie, you know, she's like, but it's like, what do you try and replicate size or do you try and replicate intensity? And I looked at it and said, Ellie, look, we're not going to get, you know, some, you know, four foot 11 world wind fighter from, you know, we'll be looking for a couple of years.

years to find a statue like that. So let's just look in and focus in on intensity and Kayla brings out an abundance and you need to go and inspire her as much as possible. And that's what we did. And at the end, Ellie was very emotional and very tired. Is she okay? Because I've not managed to see her yet. I have not seen her either.

I mean, I had to go straight back. I had 12 minutes, 15 minutes or whatever it was with Caroline, got her ready for her unification fight and then have just done press and media. And I can't wait to celebrate with. with her because it was worth it yeah it's just something she's she's a special person you know and I think you know it's as fighters I've had in the past and that you know you you you you give everything to them and you know but but but but with elli it's something different you know I mean it's like she's um she her and Chris Williamsmith they're special souls yeah and you mentioned

Caroline there was a fight that with Terry Harper where there was a lot of thinking gun a lot of A lot of say, but, you know, lots of sensible, smart stuff. Fentzzi dropped her cleanly in the sixth round, but had to think the entire time, even if she won it very clearly. Yeah, I said on camera just then, I think that was one of the best Terry Harpers we've seen in a long time. By some distance. Yeah, I think, you know, I think she's at her correct weight.

I think being down at £30 against Baumgarden, I didn't think it suited her. I think being obviously as high as 147 Boxing Sandy Ryan, I didn't think that suited her either. She's at the correct weight that she should be where she has size and athleticism in her favour. But at the same time, you know, she trained and was and stuck to a very regimented game plan

that was to take away Caroline's power and her distance. And, you know, it took Caroline a few rounds to get to close to her. And I knew it would be that way. I knew that she would be on top of her game and she was a good amateur Terry Arpa. So there's a lot of credit there and they've done a great job.

but you know the talent and the shot selection came through especially in those you know mid to late rounds and finally a fantastic advertisement spectacle event not just for British boxing but for women's boxing this evening you know global women's boxing Nikisa Badarian and jake boarder and a phenomenal job doing you know you know putting so much emphasis into into female boxing and I think you know you know

there's a huge, there's a, there's a huge market there because you are guaranteed entertainment and you're guaranteed, like, people are doing it for the purity of it. And there's, you know, there's a, there's a purity and there's a soulfulness to it. And I think, you know what you're going to get, you're going to, I mean, it's just so sad to look at the likes of someone like Emma Dolan, who's a lovely character, getting, getting knocked out, stop there. It's, but it's, she gave everything. And you, and you had Ellie give everything, and you had Caroline Terry give everything can, you know, it's great to see. It's great to see someone genuinely properly backing it.

The one thing I would pick up on from that, Stacey, and to, just to revisit here, and you've already done it, you've already done the sort of the lovely tribute to Ellie. It's just how much she's liked and loved. And I don't know, you wouldn't have heard it, but on Five Live, we interviewed, or not me, Alice Scarf, Scarfe, as I like to call her, she interviewed Chris Bill and Smith up in the ring, and he started crying.

Actually crying. Not like one of those, oh, he's crying. No, crying. Like, Scarfie had to pull away, and she was like looking at me as if I said, if I've done something wrong, and I was putting my thumbs up because we're quite cruel in our business.

Yeah, so Alice Scarfe, Scarfe made Chris Bill and Smith, former WBO Cruzeweight champion in the world. The band of be Lawrence O'Cole, who's currently ranked at number three in most of the heavyweight rankings. Scarphy made CBS crying. CBS was crying because he was so happy for his friend.

Anyway, we're all other fights on the bill. We've dealt with the two there. Let's just have a quick word about Emma Dolan. Come in unstuck, and that's, I think, the correct word to use against Irma Garcia, who is 44, been a policewoman in Mexico City for something like 25 years. She's a trained lawyer, and tonight she looked absolutely sensational. Emma was dropped three times with really good shots. I've been really, really good shots. Went down too easily from the straight lefts. and she was stopped in the third round. She was obviously desolate about that,

but she's young enough in boxing years to come back. Garcia at 44, that's that's that a great story. Were you surprised at how easy it was for Garcia? Because I tell what I thought. I thought Emma looked too wound up coming into the ring. She looked too emotionally involved. She didn't look calm enough, whereas Garcia just came in.

She was smiling from there to it. She was like the Floyd Mayer. weather, she was the Floyd Mayweather of Mexican female super super flyweights. Yeah. That smile and that demeanour was like when you've won and you're on your way back. Oh absolutely. Not on the way toering.

Yeah. But you know it was a ninth fight for Emmerdollon. Which we forget. Exactly. And all of this is part of learning. How you handle yourself in Fight Week, do I need to be this wound upon? Just as we were just saying with trash talk, you know, some fighters need it, some fighters don't. You have to learn what works

for you on the day the week before a month before, an hour before, on your ringwalk. All of it counts, all of it counts. But I think tonight was more than that. You know, there's a lot to work on, certainly defensively, clearly. And it was like a delayed reaction, wasn't it? When she goes out from the first show, yeah, when she got... And she just didn't recover.

She's trying to punch as she goes down. She reacted like she was hit on the temple, but it wasn't. It was more the cheek. Because sometimes when it hit on the temple... It was like one of those discombobulating shots it looked like. Yeah, it wasn't. But then there was the short, beautiful short right hook, South Pole right hook, and then put down again.

So Emma, Emma, Emma, I didn't manage to speak to Emma, and I've known her a long time since she was a kid and talked to me on the train in 2012 on the way to the... Oh, that's right. I forgot about that story. I thought Carl Greaves did the right thing, by the way. Absolutely. Throwing the towel in. And he was trying to get a look in her eye to see...

But she did, she really fought back, but maybe stupidly. Just as she left the ring, I went over to her, obviously. And just as she saw me, she like really welled up. and I thought, well, I can't get involved with this because I'm like with sport, it really gets me. But, I mean, goodness me, she looked absolutely broken. And these are tough, Buncie, aren't they? When you, you know, as I said after the fact,

with your whole heart and soul believe you can do it, then you put everything into it. And then you get there, and the sickener for her, she didn't even get, it's not like it was a close decision over 10 rounds. She didn't even get to, you know, get going, get a motor going. She didn't get to show what she's capable of. That will really, really hurt.

And this is the real test of any athlete. Is now going forward. Yeah, let's not judge everyone all the time after successes. Have they had hardship and setbacks on the way? Because that's what really tells you what they're made of. And, you know, she can come again, like you say. But that'll be really tough to take. It was heartbreaking for her.

But huge credit to Garcia. She said in the buildup, I want to show women of any age what they can capable of. And as you say, what a resume, that. Police officer, not just anywhere, by the way, Mexico City. Street. Street. She's got a degree in law in forensics and she can box. She can get you out of any trouble, basically.

Unfortunately, she can probably get you into lots of trouble as well. That's not even here on it. She's the kind of woman now that are boxing now, rather, not even woman. It's kind of boxing. I'm keeping my eye on when she's fighting in Tijuana on a show, third down the bill, because I've seen what she's done to a really durable... At 52 years old. Yeah, no, I'm 52-year-old, as you know, mate.

Anyway, it's not even here. There was a vacant WBO like me. as I like to call it, super well to us, we insist on calling up, between Chantel Cameron, who of course has been a world champion, a stone lighter, against a woman from Chechia, as you've got to say, who's now based in Vienna called Michaela Kadascova. Kadascova is, as we say in the business, a big lump. And you can say that without fear of upsetting people.

And she was very big on the night. I'm not quite sure how much bigger naturally she was. was than Chantel, but it was considerable. And this was another one of those strange fights. I mean, I thought it was mildly competitive because Chantel had to work, and Keroskova kept on firing back. But it was a shutout.

I mean, two judges gave Kuroskova one round. The other judge gave it 100 to 90. Chantel was, and it was over 10 threes, this is the big thing. So it's the first ever fight involving World War. Championship involving women in Britain to be over 10 threes. What was your take on the extra minute in each round? Did you notice it or was it big for you?

I think it was the least noticeable thing of the fight in a sense because it was such one-way traffic. It was almost like watching a prospect in with a journey fighter. And I don't mean any disrespect to Kottiskova saying that. I really don't. That's what we are. Yeah, I know. I don't mean the disrespect.

Sean tells a different bridge. He's been through the GB system. all those torments, all those worlds, all that hardship and a great professional career. So I'm not at all surprised. That's a fact. I think it's quite clear she shouldn't stay at that weight because if she's in at that weight with somebody who's... I'm coming to that in a second.

A different level, do you know what I mean? But also has that extra weight. I don't think that'll be right for her. But it was a smart move in terms of her career getting another world title at another weight. And we've seen that happen before, particularly in the women's game. So that made business sense. And the women who had the title, Michaela. LeMayer was actually in the building,

and as was Coloresha Shields. I know Coloresha Shields was reviewed down in Cardiff. So I did catch up with Chantelle afterwards. She was with Jamie Moore. We first started talking, obviously, about that fight and the way. But then Jamie also, or Jamie and Chantel, we're talking a little bit about Lauren Price last night. Here I am with a pair of them.

Chantel, you went to the 10-3s. You won comfortably, but it was one of those fights that you win comfortably. It was really hard. It seems like a contradiction in terms. I think it was just the weight. I think she was just too big. I think I was hurting her,

but it was just the size difference. There was a bit of a difference there. So I think it's made me realize that that size is not for me. You talked before about going back to Welterweight. Could you do 140 again like Welter or super lightweight? But who's there that will fight me? So I won't go back down to it unless there was like the right opponent. The welter's are good though, aren't they?

Yeah, yeah, I like the lot well. It suits me to the grounds. in an ideal world who would you have at world so I know Michaela Mayer was here tonight and you and her were smiling I wasn't sure I wasn't sure because I was trying to work out

because Michaela Mayer will make sure she's not around Michaela Maya does annoy a lot of people doesn't she? I love her but she upsets some people some people hate her like Alicia Boomgaun and they can't be in the same city

is her? I actually really like her I think even if we thought there were no trash talk if she's out of trash talk and I think she's a character so I think she's a character

so I think she's good I think she's a great opponent for me I think her style is jail well and to be honest with you I think she's great for boxing especially women's boxing so in a way

did you watch I'm not sure what time you went to bed last night or Saturday night did you manage to watch Lauren Price at all I didn't watch it no I mean it's one of those fights where it's a shutout

but it's a really hard shudder and she's marked up she's got a cut in her mouth there's blood everywhere and she looked absolutely exhaustedly yet but she'd won basically all 10 rounds what a weird business were in

I watched Lauren and I thought I thought the exact same thing I thought the other girl was really good I thought she had a good first couple of rounds maybe she nicked him and then Lauren boxed really well even

though she was I won't say hurt a few times but she got roughed up she got caught clean before she weathered the stormwell so it was one of those fights where the cars don't reflect how competitive the fight was and finally to you Shantel before I let you go and get some sleep

the three minutes here to stay for you I won't go back to two minutes I think I've really enjoyed the three minutes but I'm not going to say it was polished because there was like a few times where you have to navigate and we've been doing it in the gym for the last like 12 weeks but in a fight it's a little bit different so like Jamie would shout one and I'd come off the gas a bit and then don't give our tactics oh yeah yeah and then yeah yeah so it'd be like I just I've got to just it was my first fight with three minute rounds and I won't get in the herb out of there tonight

She was too big and she was tough. And I was catching her with some good shots. And to be honest, me, sometimes I was thinking she's taking a bit of a beat in here, but she's going nowhere. She was tough. So it was all credit to her as well. But I don't want to go back to two-minute rounds. Good.

Listen, it's been an absolute pleasure, Chantelle. Jamie, thanks so much for your time. It felt like a big night tonight, didn't it? It felt good. And the Scotany fight was great fun. And Terry Harper fought her heart out to push Caroline Dubois. And I did feel for a little bit for Emma Dolan. got caught so clean so quickly.

It's a big night, good night. It was great night, especially women's boxing as well. It was brilliant. I thought the crowd was absolutely fantastic and it was really nice to see so many women here as well because the vast majority... Massive percentages, wasn't it? Yeah, normally on a normal show,

it was a lot of male dominant crowd. Tonight, he was sort of like 50-50. It was really nice to see. And no fights in the crowd, no one abusing people, just a crowd of 1,500 people watching the boxing. That'll do, I'll take that. Shantel, thanks for your time.

Thank you. So let's deal first of all with Shantel. That's it at the weight. And she'd just admit, the woman was just too big. I was hitting her with punches that weren't really healthy, and she was too big. So that's good that we know that. And then the reason why we're talking about Lauren Price,

with reference to that fight, was that Lauren Price's fight, you're going to tell me about it now, was a hard fight, a grueling fight. She ended up marked up with loads of cuts. it was virtually a shutout, according to the scorecards, just like the Chantelle fight was. So let's leave Chantel there.

She's going to go back down to Welterweight or maybe, she said, I don't think it's going to be 140. It looks like she might fight Michaela Mayer for that W. Because she's still got the WBO at Welter. So that could happen. That looks like the way it was so smooth to transition. And they're both of MVP, Steve.

Both of MVP. And the key to be therein we're going to hear from at the end of the pod. You know, they are making each. They are fighting, they are having all of their women fight each other. That's the way to do business. Lauren Price last night against Stephanie Pinero, the unbeaten Southpour from Puerto Rico. I've only seen clips of it.

I didn't watch it because I was a big Delboy. I was a Del Boy's fight at the O2, and I haven't managed to get a clip because I haven't been home yet to watch it. What were your takeaways from that, Stace, being ringside? Do you know there's two things that could have been a factor? one that I didn't expect to be a factor, one that I thought might be.

The one that I didn't think would play a part is the fact that she'd had 13 months out of the ring. I didn't think that would matter for Lauren. And the reason for that is because she's been an athlete in multiple sports all her life. She's based in Sheffield where they've got great facilities, great sparring. She never gets completely out of shape.

And I've seen her, you know, she's looked really sharp and I've been up at EIS and seen her. So I didn't think perhaps that could play a part. I don't know whether it did or not, but perhaps it did. The bit that I did think would play a part is the size of Pinero. But she was much bigger than I even thought. And we know that, don't we, from weighing some fighters are much, much bigger. And she was just big.

You know, like, I don't know Lauren's got that big back and shoulders and stuff. But she was just big all over. And she stood tall as a big Southport, didn't she? She wasn't a crafty Southport. This will make sense. to you, some fighters fight big. Yes. You know, they use every inch of their reach

and, you know, their stance, their gate, their presence. She used all of that. She was a real presence. And those shots straight down the pipe did the damage. And Lauren just didn't quite take a head off the central axis enough sometimes when she was in and out. And because of that reach, she didn't get out quick enough sometimes. And she'd win the exchange, but then Bosch.

And she got a horrific, what looks like. It's a cut inside of her mouth. Yeah, it looked like a terrible injury. Apparently she bit it. It could have been indicative of a broken jaw, but it wasn't. It became quite clear in the corner that it was just a cut,

but it looked, you know, really serious. Apparently she bit inside of her mouth. It pumped out. It pumped out. Then she got a cut above her head. But the, you know, the thing for Lauren is she hasn't faced

that kind of adversity yet as a pro. So this will bode well as well if she's, you know, well, she will move on from here, obviously. But those are, strange as it sounds, the kind of tests and facts and Fouts you need where you get beat up a bit and still get the win. So that was Saturday night in Cardiff and Stacey was there whilst I was with Del Boy

and Deontiwardo at the circus, the unbelievable night at the O2. And I'm unashamedly saying it was an unbelievable night. I'm not going to be one of those snooty people inside the boxing business, turning their nose up at it. I saw 20,000 people punching the air, screaming and willing Derek on. That's a good night. Trust me, that's my measure of a good night. And here at Olympia, we had four words.

title fights and we had just about everything in there, maybe not as much blood as Lauren Price dropped during her fight down in Cardiff. And so at the end of the night, there's only one person to speak to Nekisa Baderion who, of course, alongside Jake Paul, has made all of this MVP revolution, women's boxing revolution, happened. Nika was, well, he's a very happy man. So I had a little chat with him just before we were kicked out by the men in hard hats and and yellow coats. And it's not like a really bad village people tribute band. It's just that that's what happens every night

when I get kicked out of fights. Here I am with Nikisa. I am proud to say that all week I said the fight that's going to steal the show is Ellie Scott and Me and my Ali Flores. Because of my early style and Ellie's skill. And that is the fight of the year from my perspective to this point.

Yeah. Well, I spoke to Tasha Jonas, who knows a bit about fights and great fights. And she said, Steve, that might be the best women's fight I've ever seen. Now that is a real compliment. We were speaking about that, it's that or Taylor Serrano, right? The first two Taylor Serrano's or that one. And the energy in here was pretty special as were those two fights.

And that Maiali Flores is... She's something special, she's honestly, like, kudos to her for that Mexican warrior to come into this stage and perform the way that she did with the energy that she did. Like, she also stole my heart. And you might have seen something here tonight. with the British crowd, they would welcome, they would welcome her back, because that's what we're like.

That's why we love Alexander Usik, because he's so good, because he gives us, we'd take her back, but more than that, I think it's fair to say, we would love you guys back, because that was unbelievable. Four world title fights,

and just sensational fights, all of them. We can't wait to be back. Emma Dolan obviously took a tough loss, but she showed you how tough she is. Chantelle Cameron, unbelievable boxer. Tough opponent. right? Like the amount of shots she took and still withstood that, but glad to see Chantelle back in form.

And then, you know, Caroline Dubois put a lot of pressure on herself. An unbelievable amount of expectations. A lot of talk, but she walked the walk and she delivered. But it wasn't easy like I thought it wasn't going to be because Terry Harper is a three-division champion. And a new star is born for sure in Caroline Dubois. That's the absolute truth. And there was a little bit of star dust sprinkled about Michaela Mayer was floating around Cloresa Shields. I know she's not in your team.

one of the feudists not in your team, but it had a big fight feel to it. You know what it had, Nikisa? It had a special big event feel to it. It was a special night at a special venue. Something new, but something also historic and old. When you think about 26 years ago, Prince Nazim coming down on the magic carpet. I was here, obviously. There you go.

I watched it on TV as a teenager. We were happy to be here. It cost a lot of money, but I think it came out great and we're happy to make the investment. Listen, it was brilliant, and you've been great all week, and your people have been great. It's been an absolute pleasure doing business with you. Thanks, brother. That's Nicky, so they'll be back, and he praises everybody,

make sure he talks about everybody, mentions everybody. I like him as a promoter because the fighters like him, and they really do like him. Plus, he gets involved. He was leading people in song. Hey, that's good as gold. It's been a good week this week, which is an understatement. We've had boxing on consecutive nights on Five Live

and on one night on BBC 2. We've had pods from all over London, all parts of London, from different hotel rooms in Greenwich, to gyms in the Harrow Road, to the Olympia, just where we are here, to Yor call on different nights. We transformed Yulcour call with some ridiculous weighing show. It was absolutely brilliant. The zone of broadcast, BBC of broadcast, and Sky came back into the game. Only about eight days ago, we had Moses Italman, in about six days' time. we're going to have Tyson Fury all inside a 16 day period.

It has been frantic. And thankfully, in this grubby little room, the mouse has not reared its head, although there are two different mouse traps. One of them is in the window at about the height of three for Stacey Copeland's brilliant as ever. And you've been absolutely fantastic. Thanks for listening to us all week long and downloading the pods and making this the number one boxing podcast. I'm Steve Bans, and this has been a fantastic week on Five Live for Five Live Boxing. BBC Radio 5 Live.

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