5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Fury & Joshua: A Heavyweight Double Header

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

Will Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury both come through unscathed this weekend? Natasha Jonas and Joe Gallagher join Buncey to preview the fights in Saudi Arabia and Thailand, discuss what kind of Anthony Joshua we can expect to see back in the ring, and debate where the long-awaited fight between the pair should take place. Joe also doesn't pull any punches with his verdict on today's heavyweight division. Plus, we hear from both fighters and Matchroom chairman Eddie Hearn.

This is Five Live Boxing. Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua will fight this year. Now we don't know where, we don't know when, and we don't know what time it will take place, but they will fight. But what we do know is that this weekend, Friday and Saturday, the two British boxing icons will fight. Fury in Thailand and Joshua in Saudi Arabia.

Now I'm in Jeddah with Anthony Joshua. For a fight set for Saturday night, the ring walks will be about 11 p.m. and that's when you can listen to it on Five Live. And Fury's fight, well, it's odd because let me explain. It's being filmed not to go out live to be part of his reality TV show, which will probably air, I don't know, next April. No doubt you'll get the result before then.

We're going to hear from both Tyson Fury and I sat down with Anthony Joshua. I'm Steve Bunce, and this is Five Live Boxing. Now I've done shows for Five Live from beaches, upmount, in cellars, in some plush, plush, plus places, trust me, around the world. And I've done shows with some unbelievable guests, but every now and again, you roll the dice and you come out trumps. Just to my left, through a door I can look through, there is the best toilet I've ever seen. There's a B-Day, there's a toilet, and there's a urinal. But more than that, there are, I've just counted them, 11 gold taps that perform different functions.

It's unbelievable. I'll post a picture of it. Sitting on these two sofas, they're like thrones with me, are a couple of members of what I'd like the term, British boxing royalty, because we are in, let's get it right, an old palace that's now a hotel. Joe Gallagher's here with me, champs camp, boy and man, little boy, big man, old man, man, trainer. And next to him, Tasha Jonas, Olympian and former world champion, who I've just found out about five minutes ago, has not yet retired, which is slightly alarming because she looks fighting fit. I'm not sure if you can still do the lightweight. Joe and Tash, how are we doing? Joe, you go first. How are you doing at a moment?

Yeah, no good. Great to be here. And as you say, when this building that we're in here is so huge, so grandeur. It's just been like in Tasha's front room back home in Liverpool, to be honest.

Miss MBE, Beyonce, yeah. So home from Tasha. Yeah, no, all good, Steve. Tassie, you haven't got Gaultaps in your cars back home. Have you, please tell me, no? I mean, not that I'm telling him. Jamarce evil.

You know what, Joe, every time you've been coming out to Saudi for a long time, and I know you have as well, Tash, but every time we come here, something new catches my eye, something new sort of hits me. And one of the things that's hit me about this fight we're going to talk about

in a moment, which is the, obviously, the Anthony Joshua fight against Christian Prenga here in Jeddah, is that now it's just normal. There's a big fight in town. There was a time. when it was really big news, it was really strange.

Now it's just like another venue. It's just in Saudi Arabia. Is that fair comment? Yeah, I think when it was here back here eight years ago for the Mohammed Ali Trophy, the World Boxing Super Series. Was that the first profile? Or was the Mir Khan the year before? It was about that sort of time, wasn't it?

I'm not sure, but I remember it was so huge that when we arrived at the airport, every billboard had the Ali Trophy. That driveway that we're looking out of the window there, every lamppost had our alley World Boxing Super Series trophy on it was absolutely huge and I think at that time

women were just allowed to drive here as well and we were giving all types of rules what you can do and can't do but as you said we went to the grand arrivals last night and we're on this rooftop terrace down the yard looking at the Cornish looking at the Red Sea look at the Formula One track and Red Sea

and you just think wow you could be in Montecal here at Santa Pae it's a lot more children a lot more laid back yeah does what about you? you, what are your experience so far of being here for the boxing in Saudi Arabia? Because you got your fighter Mikey Tallon on the bill and there's some debate about what point of the bill he's going to be on, whether he's

going to be on Saturday morning, like fight number one of 73, or if he might be closer. Joe's not laughing because Joe's going to go to battle, go to war to get him moved up the bill. War Joe, we call it. War Joe, yeah. He needs a hat. He needs one of those hackler hats. Yeah, no. I think when it was

originally Callum was announced in the the Super Series. I had not long joined the gym and I did want to go. Obviously it was a big event, big tournament and I believe Calum could win as well. So we asked about what females going and what were the rules and stuff

and there were so many rules that I thought you know what, that's not even worth the risk. So it weren't banned, it was just extremely complicated to get you here. Yeah, it was just like you had to be in the presence of a man at all times, you have to stand a metre behind them, you had to be covered

from neck to knee, you had to, there was no signs of public affection and yeah, so there was just a lot of rules, but, you know, here, now, I'm hugging people in the, in the, in the reception. Open hugging, laughing, joking. Yeah, can walk around and yeah, there's

no, there's no issue. And to be fair, Riyadh's been really good as well, the times have been there, so. Yeah, it's massively, massively changed. Okay, let's look, let's look, I'm not even sure where to start with this, we've got this ridiculous weekend of fights. In Pataya, in Thailand, And on the beach, we think it's an open-air stadium,

but it might not be in some sort of kickboxing national stadium. We've got Tyson Fury fighting the 46-year-old Polish fighter Marius Vak, who's been around an awful long time and he's a big old boy. And that's a kind of another warm-up for Tyson Fury. Obviously, he won earlier on this year against Arsenal MacMudov at Tottenham. And then less than 24 hours later in Jeddah in an arena that can hold 40,000, I'm told. So it's obviously a massive indoor arena. Now, we've got Anthony Joshua against the Albanian Christian Prenga.

The theory is that they both win. They're both heavy favourites. And then it's officially announced their fight, the fight that we've been waiting for for 10 years that we were told was made in 2020. Let's start with AJ. Let's start with AJ and Prenga, because it's considered the riskier of the two.

Is that an over-exaggeration, Tash? Or is all fights a heavy weight of risk? Yeah, no, it's, it's, you can, when you're watching fights and your ringside, and obviously we do a bit of commentary and stuff and you're that close, the impact and the sound of the shots when they land is horrendous. Sometimes when you see it on TV and you watch the slow motion and you can see actual jaws being one side, faces being the other, and that is no joke, that's what the heavyweight division is.

That's why it's so exciting, that's why we love it. So every fight at this weight is dangerous. It is dangerous. Joe, Pringer, apart from bringing all of those knockouts and be in the fact, he's 6'5 and slightly heavier than AJ. Is it, is there genuine risk attached? 100%.

I always say to the people, if they're a puncher, they're a puncher. Yeah. Whether the fighting journey or the colour of the points are knocking people out. And he's a puncher. And I'm sure if he lands, there'll be an effect somewhere.

but I just think Anthony Joshua was. I seen Anthony last night at the grander rivals. How relaxed was he? You took the words. I said it to an ashenge driver. I've never seen him so, so relaxed, in control, relaxed,

nice and chilled. Not too relaxed where you think his mind's not on it. Not like he was against Andy Ruiz. No. It was mildly dismissive in that first fight in New York back in 2019. Yeah, it was there for that month. No thought on that.

But this one, they're just sort of relax about it. There's no pressure. There's no sort of. But I'm sure, obviously, training out in Spain, new team of Usick, there's a bit more professionalism in and around that team. That's more sure of having an effect

with him. And he knows as well, there was talk I heard Barry saying it'll be one more fight and I were talking about two more years of AJ, three more years of AJ. So everyone's getting the buzz of AJ but the thing that is AJ, you can't go in there complacent he's got Pregren instead of him and I feel

we will have or expect AJ to produce a Francis Engano type at a moment. But you've got to look at your Francis and Garno's, the Wolf fellow that just fought Usik. These are huge opportunities for them. And Prenger's thinking, there is a vulnerability, AJ. If I do land on a bit, I won't say like Bruno was,

where everyone thought, oh, we feel for if Bruno gets tagged, it's the case of holding on. But he thinks, all I've got to do is it with AJ. And if I land clean and I get a reaction, I'm got to go all over them. AJ's got to be aware of that and stay switched on. But I do feel, regardless of the type of the opponent, I do feel it'll be an early stoppage,

and it'll be a very sharp. The same for Tyson-Fior. I think Tyson-Fiori is fighting in Thailand. I think he's looked great in the gym. I think it's great. He's got his son there. Prince is coming along really well. He's shouting people out.

But I just think Tyson's mindset, they're both slim, they're both in a good place. And now Tyson's, which we all think, Tyson's got to come here. He'll get in the ring. And now saying he's going nowhere. He's going straight home. He's seeing his family and all that.

We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. But I do feel this fight should have happened this weekend. I do feel after the World Cup, that fight in Britain, Wembley now in the sunshine should have happened now, not these warm-ups. And then the rematch then would have happened in November, December. And then a trilogy, if it was won one, one could have happened in May.

This fight has to be done now next after this weekend. It has to be done. Tash, I've got to ask you, you've been around AJ. You were part of the same Olympic team with him, and you know, you bump into him along the road, along both your journeys. Last December, AJ went out to Florida, and he finally took care of Jake Paul. A couple of days later, he was in Nigeria where he's got his cultural roots, and he was involved in a crash.

His two closest friends died in that crash. And we've seen those stunning, really harrowing pictures of AJ in the back of a recovery car, just looking shell-shocked, shell-shocked. I wasn't sure we'd ever see him back in the gym, let alone the ring. I can't even begin to imagine the mindset that's allowed him to get back into condition and to get back into that fight. Does what happened in Nigeria carry risks going into this fight, do you think, mindset-wise?

Listen, we'll never know. I can only imagine that it would because stuff like that, you will never forget. And it's okay to not forget and it's okay to deal with it. Part of grief. It's part of the process. but he has been under immense pressure since the beginning. Yeah. Since about the quarterfinals at the Olympics,

the pressure switched, the semi-finals, the pressure switched. So pressure is nothing new to him. It's a different type of pressure and a different type of mental strength that he's having to show. But that's what he's used to. That is the aura that comes with him. With AJ as the brand, as the athlete, as everything, pressure is part of the parcel.

And, you know, sometimes it can outweigh it. But it also produces amazing moments and produces, you know, diamonds, as they say. And I think only on Saturday night will we actually tell. I think it's easy to sit back and, you know, have... The theorise, yeah. Yeah, and theorise and have conclusions, but we all know.

You can see. Just going on that, Tasha, I did an interview this week. I do feel we're here in Fight Week and I did say in an interview, any journalist that I'd suggest or ask that type of question, Fight Week, should be fired. He's here to fight this week. He isn't here to talk about what went on back then

and to bring that to the forefront of his fight or stimulate or trigger shouldn't be allowed. I've said that and then I've seen BBC have done something very talking about it and then someone else talking about it. But we're here, we're here to fight now. We've had a few months. A.J.'s gone through it all and I feel any journalist that tries to bring.

they're up or ask him how you feel without your two friends in all that needs firing and never putting in a boxing thing again he's here to fight and do a business and let him do the job if you want to talk afterwards how was that experience that way then there's a time and a place but i think people need to also have a little bit of savvy about him this week that's a valid point you make there jo i'm just wondering all your years with phil martin at moss side and there was a lot of loss and there's a lot of griefing and a lot of dead bodies if you don't mind me saying so i don't want to be too i don't want to go too over the top did you ever ever have anything mildly similar where a kid was involved in something catastrophic

and then came back to the gym six months or a year later. Can you think of an insight? I'm not trying to catch you out, but I haven't got one up my sleeve. I can and it is, in my opinion, he's one of Britain's best prospects that never ever fulfilled his potential and that was Mario Culpper. And at the time in Moss Side, when the Troubles was on, he was involved and he was shot.

He was very involved. And he was shot and he was away for a while, came back and he couldn't walk but he got a stool and sat at the bag and was punching the bag sat on a stool and Phil said to him

I've got you a fight over at the near centre and to see him come back from that at the time then when Phil passed away I used to say to Mario come to the gym never ever came to the gym never got it took him years and years and years

to finally walk through the doors of that gym because of the loss of his mentor Phil Martin and everything that he did for him, but for him to have gone through that process at the time and he was always looking over his shoulder, but to still try and come back to boxing to keep him, on the straight and narrow, but to give him a focus and some structure in his life.

Yeah, sometimes, like, people don't, people, if you haven't boxed or being in the gym, you don't really understand, but in the gym is your safe space, and it is where you can, you know, de-stress and, you know, regulate yourself, and safe space is the right word two seconds and I said to answer

that's why you always go back to Fisher is it Fisher is that I'm sure no no Finchley it's where you began that's where you trust people around you it's a safe environment from you and you see every time he's out of camp you'll go and do a few sessions around there and it feels good and that's where he goes

and then he kicks on from there but like you say Joe it's really funny you should mention Finchley because Paddy the producer who's squatting over there on the floor is a hotel with 7,000 chairs and we couldn't find one for him. Paddy the producer says, when I sit down with Asia,

we're going to hear from AJ in a moment. It said, listen, whatever you'd do, he said, I've had enough of it. I don't want to hear about Finchley and Sean Murphy and boxing in the Haringay box carp and all of that stuff.

I don't want to hear about it. So anyway, I did sit down with AJ. And to be honest with you, I did take Paddy's, you know, I took Paddy's brief on. Anyway, I'm not quite sure I could follow all of Paddy's rules. Here I am with AJ.

A very relaxed, a very calm, a very philosophical, AJ. I heard someone else say earlier on. It's good to see you back. I'm good to see you looking so bright and happy. And you do look bright and happy. It looks like... I know Barry Hearns talked about you being in a great place.

Well, you look like you're in a decent place. We're in a good place. Yeah, we're in a good place in the sense. Boxing... When I first got into it, it was about improving... Was that a finchley? Yeah, I was at Finchley. I was talking about Finchley.

Let's go off topic here. We're not talking about Saturday night in Saudi Arabia. Let's talk about Finchley. We always like a good trip down memory lane. Not wrong with memory lanes, son. But boxing, when I first started out Finchley, it was about getting my mind right. And I'm in a good place because, obviously,

boxing still serves the same purpose. Helps me keep my mind in a good place. Now, they've called this fight the comeback. Yeah. Does it feel a bit like a comeback? Yeah, definitely, definitely. have to you know

rebuild I took a year out after the Dubois fight had my Jake Paul fight you know what it is with what I realised about comebacks and Walmart fights is as much as they are about the fight they're also about the training camp

the training camp will expose and reveal a lot about your body how many rounds you've done how you can improve your mindset getting your hands taped up on fight night it's not just about like

the fight is everything that goes into preparing and having training camps in the bank i think it helps a fighter because you get loads of rounds of sparring and all that type of stuff so yeah the comeback is good for me because i'm able to just like rebuild and then you know build some solid foundations to go into the rest of the year on now the the fight against jake pool you mentioned there that was you'd spend some time with usick and his team and all the people there this time you spent an awful lot of time with you've been around them including through usick's fight with Rico Verhoeven. How has that developed that relationship inside the Ussick orbit?

Really good. Like, a very professional outfit, honestly, good team, elite level. Like, they'll give me the platform I need to kind of catapult off and reach the stars. So it's a blessed to be there. It's a lot of hard work, a lot of focus. But we have fun. We make it enjoyable. Everyone's good energy.

and we're all focus on like just given our best in every department whether you're the coach, whether you're the athlete, the coach wants to win. He's studying, finding ways to improve, and I'm the athlete that wants to improve as well.

So it works well. One of the signs doing that in that camp, or in fact, from last year was that the road to undisputed. That's become a little bit less clear with those titles being vacant and whether or not whether or not even Moses Itama might have even fought for a world title

officially in the next two or three weeks we've got Ajikabayal being upgraded Murak Gassieff being upgraded it's not as clear route to well it is if you want to fight four or five times yeah it's hard hard road it's going to be very challenging but I've done it before

I fought Parker fought Klitsko I fought Charles Martin the only one I didn't get to fight was wild right at the time but it's doable but it's definitely a hard road it took me 13 years to become unified overnight success

imagine if I fought it once and I got all the belts in one shot that would be amazing but you have always one of that undisputed one that thing that elusive final cog piece whatever you want to call it it would be good honestly Saturday

Saturday for me is a massive fight for me it's like undisputed in a way because it means a lot a lot of pressure a lot of expectations on my shoulders So if I can get through Saturday Flying Cutters

that will put me on track Even though it's not the undisputed fight But I think mentally it'll be like yeah I'm on track to become Everything I know I can become It's just the comeback It's the start of a hard road The next bit Yeah it's the start of a hard road

The final bit Probably yeah Yeah that doesn't mean you just announce you're going to retire That just mean let's not go right in headlines It's the last leg Yeah, because I'm older now. 13 years, coming up to 14 years as a professional fighter. It's mad, eh?

Yeah, and a couple months will be 14 years as a professional fighter, so this is the last leg, yeah. And Prenga, I know people say, you know, he's only fought this guy, this guy. He's still got to beat, you still got to hit 20 guys on the chin, man. You still got hit 20 guys on the chin. You still got to do 20 training camps. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, you still got to have 20 fights worth of experience.

It's a man who knows what he's doing. It's a man who wants to win. the will, but I'm also a good fighter as well. I know my way around the ring. I've trained. I've given him the respect. I haven't under-looked him because, as I said, it's a big fight for me.

If I can get through this, we're onto something big this year. If I can get through this, we're on to something big. So I've knuckled down, the team's knuckled down and we've worked hard. And Tyson's going to be fighting 24 hours before you, whether he comes to your fight or not, it doesn't really matter to me. But he's going to be fighting 24 hours earlier against one of your old spine, as one of his aspiring partners. When might we get an announcement on that?

I know, I'm nice asking you to look beyond Saturday's fight. When might we get an announcement on you and Fury? Are you any closer to a venue? Oh, a venue. Should I ask any of this question? You can do. If I'm going to be honest, I'll just fight anyway. John, my business is done simply.

I've been with Eddie since I started. Really been with the same, like, PR management team. Everything's simple in my life when it comes. to like where I fight and who I fight. Boxing is the easy part. Yeah, boxing is, I swear actually, boxing is the easy part. Everything else is the complicated part.

So in terms of location, I just told where to go and I'm like, no problem. Obviously, let's say we had a crystal ball. Everything goes to plan Saturday. London's where it needs to be. That would be ideal. Three or four o'clock in the morning. It doesn't make any difference.

As we said, we'll go down Webber Spoons before, have a couple drinks. Get some wings. Little boogie, little cut of wings. Well, hang on a minute, it's 2.30. Let's head down Wembley. Imagine that. For the first bell?

Catching the night bus, the last night bus down to Wembley. That would be unbelievable. That would be a good diary of a fight time. Exactly. From 1 o'clock in the afternoon to 4 o'clock first bell. I don't think the people of Wembley will be too happy.

Imagine living around there, hearing that roar. No, man. They'd have the heavyweight fight of the century on the doorstep, man. That would be enough, wouldn't it? That would be true. That is true.

You'd be there if you were a fan, wouldn't you? Yeah, 100%. I'll be watching it as well. like imagine pubs get instead of a license till three so the license till six in the morning yeah it'll be really good it'll be really good but as I said

I got this fight on Saturday which is like my undisputed fight because there's so much on the line it's a winnable fight like Fury is a winnable fight but if I don't take it seriously I can get beat at any time so there's AJ there

desperate to talk about when he was 16 at Finchley but Paddy Kaibosh that stuff so instead let's talk about, let's talk about our shoot-tace. AJ's link up with Alexander Usik. He'll have a seventh different man in his ear in the corner. You've been loyal throughout your life. You've had two people, two people in your ear since you were kids.

Yeah, I mean, I can't really say what it'd be like because it's something I've never experienced. I was with the rotunda, my whole amateur career up until I got on GB. Then I was with Rob McGrachan and all the coaches on GB. until I've retired from the amateurs. And then I was with the man who's sitting to the left of me and I'll be there until I retire. So I've only ever had like three different sets of coaches, as they say.

But yeah, it must be a little bit mad because every coach, even sometimes like in Joe's, when we're in Champs Camp and we're in Mosside, that one day I'll be doing pads with Joe. The next session I'll be doing pads with Marcus. Next session it could be McCauley. then it could be Scott. So,

even everyone wants something different and you always gravitate towards the person who you like, you feel the best with. Yeah. So to have, to keep changing, must feel a little bit odd.

But, but again, you get a different perspective. But when you're with those guys, those are in theory, not disciples, that's too strong a word, but they work underneath Joe's umbrella.

They're working with Joe's Ephos. These trainers, some of these trainers are coming in, some of the guys over, during that period with very different agendas, very different installments. Can, what do you do, Joe? You've had a few fighters that have come to you,

you know, after good careers and after working with good trainers. Do you have to try and teach them the Joe Gallagher way or do you just refine and remind them about what they do? I'm trying to get into the mindset of trainer number five in a sequence of seven. I think it's all to do with the, had that recently with Fraser Clark

and everyone was saying, oh, we need to retire, he needs to finish and everything else. And I didn't listen to none of the noise. I just wanted to deal with Fraser and what he could do or wanted to see was an attitude there, was a grit there, was a desire.

And you press all them buttons in the three or four weeks trial to see what their thresholded, what they've got left, and do they want it as much as you. He loves pushing a button, to be fair. Yeah, and... Bound pushing job.

But that was Fraser. And it's working on the mindset. And I think with Anthony linking up with who, It's a fascinating one. One, because if there's ever to be a trilogy, I don't know how that worked. They've got to know everything about Anton and how he ticks,

but I don't think that's got to happen now. So, that's not. You've done your opponents in camp when they're young, studying them, filming them, like they did with Tyson was in three camps, never spied of Asia, if I'm not. So he never spied with Vlad, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah.

So that's it. But then at the same time, you've got one of the best generational fighters of the time and the team saying, listen, we'll do something with you, and take him away, take him out of London and for AJ

we all say it's mentally and I think it is and I think a lot of boxing is mentally but I do feel Anthony is somebody who'll watch Canello on the Paddreda and also and go I want to do that or he'll go and watch

someone else do something I want to do that so he's caught between so many different styles or ways of training Terrence Crawford I've seen him do that I want to do that

where he needs to be brought back and reminded of what he was good at now like Natasha and his Josh his feet are a main asset to him. And some fights, he's never moved the feet like he used to. You look at his early's fights from the EGB. He's on his feet.

There's a rhythm to his work. There's an aggressiveness. There's a spitefulness in his punching power. As time's gone on, he's been a little bit stood still. He hasn't used the rhythm in his feet no more. And with Ouseg... What I'm thinking? Was that a simple occasion?

I won't say over it. I just think that's mostly how they're trained or whatever where you look at Ucicicic. He's got one of the, I've always said in the gym, the best fighters in the world of the best feet. And you look at Usoc, his feet movement and everything. So I expect Anthony Joshua back on his toes again, pushing in, pushing out, landing good shots and at a good nice rhythm to work and not feel that he has to load up to throw. In his first few fights as a pro when he started coming through, he didn't think he just rock up, turning and not people out. And that's Anthony Joshua that we want to see on Saturday.

And I think that's what we will see. So going back to the question of going on, I think it's working on certain things. It's not like dismantle him and rebuilding a new car. You've got an Olympian and two-time heavyweight champion, but it's fine. You're sort of an insult to say, I've got to break you down and build you up again at that point, in my opinion. Yeah, exactly. But what we can do, we can fine tune you. But you've got to understand, you've got to understand, you've got to understand the mindset of how they think and where the trigger buttons are, what gives them.

Some fighters I call that butterfly moments. And I'd say Anthony Joshua has butterfly moments that he's there, but he's not there. His mind's gone for five, seven, ten seconds in that ring. And then he's been here, or is that just doing the action? No, no, just drifts away. Just drifts away. and then all of a sudden, oh, and back in the room again. That's nice.

It might be wrong, but that sometimes when you watch him, you just think, what's he just done that there, move that there for? It's like a butterfly moment. Do you know where he learned the butterfly moment from? From me, doing it. I'm free, so. It's a shame all them GB, like they're all butterflies, isn't it? The butterfly phrase came from me.

So you can be there and you can be focused, but sometimes you're like, you drive to work and you go, how did it get here? it's that type of situation and sometimes he can be there and then just like switch off and then go oh yes switch back on

and I think it's been more to do with that of AJ and keep him relaxed and just take the handbrake off don't be tense be loose and just do what you do best do I mean

and I think that's what we'll see Saturday night I think one of the things where he became a little bit more cautious was the Ruiz fight after the first one in that third round

when he drops Ruiz then he gets dropped that's it yeah and I think when you get beat before you get beat, you're thinking invincible and you're on this cloud and you're doing things wrong

that you never ever pick up on because you win. Because you're winning. So when you're winning, yeah, you might go back and study, but very few people do because you won. It doesn't matter, you won.

And when you get that reality check and you get beat. Because you had it as well. I had it. And it's a shock. It's a shock, yeah. And you come crashing down and you think, actually,

I'm not as invincible as, I'm a mere mortal like everybody else. I'm not as invincible as I thought. And when that happens, you do have to go back and check yourself. Like we have to like go back and like just start doing the basics and what you

used to do but try and do them perfect. If you look at the best fighters in the world, they don't do anything amazing or out of this world. Do you just do the basics really, really well? They're brilliant to doing the basics. And that's what and that's what it is.

So I think the Ruiz fight was a little bit of a a reality check for him where he then became a little bit cautious and everyone's like, oh well why isn't he just going forward? Well, last time he went forward, he got knocked out. So I do get that change in how you approach because you are a bit more like,

I'm a bit more vulnerable, so you've got to be a bit smarter about how you approach the setting up the big moments for yourself because you also get set up. And I think, yeah, it took him a few fights to overcome that And it does. I think it took him a lot of fights to overcome that. I remember doing interviews in the fights after that,

even fights where he was winning. And you could just get that sense of a bit of self-doubt. You could just sort of sense that he wasn't quite over Ruiz just yet. I think he got over Ruiz. Then, of course, he had the back-to-back losses to Ousek. And I don't know if that put him back. I think it shocked him because when he was in, when he fought in Jeddah, the rematch,

when he jumps out the ring and throws the belts on the floor, and he has that tantro. He called it yesterday. In fact, he was talking to yesterday, he actually called it a meltdown. He acknowledged he had a meltdown. That's the thing about the pressure though, because it just follows and pressure is like part of who he is now. Can you imagine that, Tash? I mean, you've had a decent amount of pressure.

You've had a decent amount of success. Let's get it right. But you can still drive your car to a professional charity boxing night, park your car in Liverpool, go inside, do your functions, get in your car afterwards and go home. as you did earlier this year that stacky thing. Can you imagine not being able to do that? Can you imagine not being able to do...

I mean, and it's not me over exaggerating. He can't go anywhere or do anything. I went for a cup of coffee with him after one of the matrimm shows and literally, it's like, you can see everyone looking for starters and I'm like, please don't let me end up in the paper. Oh, she's been seen with him.

And I'm thinking, like, it's... After 10 years, it's official. Yeah, it's just constant. people looking, people can have a picture, can have this. And for them, I understand that, you know, they're seeing someone. It's their one moment. It's their one moment. But they're saying hello for the first time.

So they want, they expect it to be every time nice and, you know, smiling and cheer. The anti-Joshi that they see on the telly, they want to see that every time. But for him, they're the 50th person, that second to ask. I wonder if being around, I mean, as bigger an idol as AJ is, as big a sporting icon as he is, he's not Usik, Ussic to the Ukrainian people, that kind of role model,

that kind of national hero. Katie Taylor. Katie Taylor and I, I wonder if being around Usick like he is, kind of grounds AJ a little bit in a bizarre kind of way, because as big as they, but AJ's always the biggest superstar in any room he goes to.

And suddenly he's with Usik, he's not even the biggest superstar heavyweight in that gym because of Usik's, you know, national pride and national, national following. I wonder if that helps, A. Because you can, I know this is an odd special news, you could almost hide behind Usik,

just get on with his train. I wonder if that helps. I would think so. I think sometimes, I remember someone saying to me, if you want to be successful in boxing, you have to be out to Liverpool. Because you're very, very connectable.

Yeah. So it's, it's my nan phone and me saying, can't get above your station in Liverpool, can you? It's someone saying, oh, can you pick that off for me? Oh, on your way there, or can you do that? And you just, you're just always there. I knew when as soon as I get there, I'm 62,

you ain't phoned me until I'm on my way back. Yeah, good, yeah. And I think that's, that's another thing. When you're away and you're somewhere else. Yeah. Like, he did have Sheffield for a little while, but it's still England and it's still, oh, we need you to do this, PR, we need you to do this.

Bang, bang, bang. We need you. Underarmie need you. This one needs you. But when you're away, you're away, and that's your camp, and that's the way it is. And you're just out of, you're out of the loop of doing all that.

you've just got to concentrate on the one thing that's the most important thing, which is the boxer. And as he said to me yesterday, when he said in the interview there, the boxing, he looked to me with the boxing, he whispered, the boxing's the easy part. That's the easy part. Well, it was.

Now, the man who's been with AJ from the very start is Eddie Hearn. Eddie's obviously been dealing and nearly dealing and nearly securing the fight with Tyson Fury for a long time. Also, he's had to deal with AJ when there's been lows and there's been big lows. and when there's been highs and there's been big high. So I did speak with Eddie, and thankfully he did not venture too far off script,

although I have to tell you, the final part of this interview is pure goal. Even if I say so myself, here's Eddie Hearn with me. He's definitely trained harder than he's ever trained before. And I know people say to me, you say that all the time, but he has, like, and that's, you know,

we say to our old friend Carl Frott sometimes, you know, why is he still fighting? It's like, because, one, physically. Again. Yeah. And two, he's hungry than ever and he wants it more than ever.

And he's, you know, this new focus that he has about the future, normally we'd be standing in now and he'd just be saying, it's just Prenga. Don't want to talk about Fury. Don't want to talk about anything. But he's actually saying, no, it's Pringer.

Then it's Fury. Then I want World Championship. So I love what I'm seeing, but you've still got to deliver on Saturday night. And there's a lot of pressure in this fight. You know, a lot of people just presume that he should just walk through Pringer.

And we hope that it is the case, but you don't really know because the guy is kind of like, you know, he's a good heavyweight, 20 wins, 20 knockouts. You still got him. He's never been hurt, inspiring in a fight, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, it's just not going to be easy because this guy's got a lot to fight

for as well. So, you know, everything's crossed just for a victory by any means. And Ed, when you've been around him in the buildup to this fight, you know, you've obviously got an eye on the other AJ, the AJ that's grieving, you'll be looking, you're looking for signs, you know, you might not even mentally

register that but you know we both know has that been okay yeah it's the honest you do like I think with AJ he's an old school guy right so we're taught now in society that you should open up and you should talk to people and you should

you know share your thoughts your darkest thoughts and feelings that's just not him right and you know if I if I went to him I've spent a lot of time with him in this camp a lot more time than I that's why I ask the question

and at no point of I felt like I should be saying, you know, I've said to him, you're, you're right, but not, let's have a chat, mate. Because he hasn't seen a red flag. No, but he goes like this. No, no, no. They're my thoughts. They're my problems. I will deal with it.

That's AJ, right? I'm not saying that's right, but that's an old school approach. It's exactly the sort of thing that my old man will probably say to me as well. And it's, you know, in your generation. And again, that's not for everybody. But that's just his way of dealing with it. And I don't think, because I think he's in control of his thoughts and in control of his mind, you know,

and he uses boxing to allow himself to focus with that purpose and that drive and carrying Sina and that's with him. Needs the boxing. You know, it does need the body. There's no doubt it needs it and needs it now more than ever. And by the way, sometimes that's a quick fix and that's not the right answer either. Absolutely.

It's the same with Tyson Fury. Why do you think Fury's out in fighting in Pettire this weekend? because he doesn't want to go home. He doesn't want two or three months sitting at home. Watching and waiting. Sitting up at night with all the thoughts going through to mind. He wants to just go and train. He needs camp and fight.

He needs camp and fight. That's synonymous with so many fighters. So the interesting thing here was I knew that once he got into camp would be good mentally. But it was the furious he couldn't move. He couldn't get out of bed. So he'd sit on a bike for two hours. He couldn't move his top off of his body. But he'd cycle for two.

two hours, then he food two hours of physians as well attached. Bad injury. Like injuries that would have kept, actually probably ended most people's career. Yeah, we forget that. But once he got to camp, I was happy because I just knew it's a purpose, you know? And when you live in life with a purpose like that,

it's easier to deal with the distractions. The truth is when his head hits the pillow at night and anyone, you never really know what's going through anyone. Even in that pony bed. Yeah, especially when you've got to live out and flash back to what happened, which you can only imagine, you know, the thoughts that would go through your moment.

And Fury and Fury beats Samaria's Vac. Is Fury here on Saturday night? Do you know what? He says no. But Fury's going to do what Fury wants to do. It changes my Saturday morning. In any normal situation, you'd go, yeah, of course you'll be here. But he says, well, you never got in a ring when, you know, I won.

Because the fight weren't signed. That wasn't signed. The fight's now signed. So these two have never come face to face. So look, the build-up's going to be wild And let's get the victories Friday and Saturday. And, Ed, I've got to ask you this a boring question. But that's essential question.

What's the latest on where it might be? And what's your gut feeling? No further updates. I mean, look, we know we had a chat with Turkey-Lashik and he knows, he's acknowledged, that the fight is supposed to take place in the UK. It's in our contract, right? And AJ insisted on that.

We also understand that Turkey's paying a lot of money, right? and he's a partner of ours. He's given AJ some great opportunities, this Saturday being one of them, and we're not going to just shut down any other talks. We understand the reasoning behind it, and it is a timing issue for the US market, but we think, and as most people do,

that the fight should take place in the UK. So we hope that that is still the case, and we'll await news. I don't think, you know, you would hope, really, that after the weekend, it should be announced quite soon. And I would think that's in Turkey's mind as well. Ed, I asked AJ about that.

And he said, why not have it at 4 o'clock in the morning? He said, we can all go to Witherspoons. Then we can get some wings. Then we can get on a night bus to Wembley. So let me ask you, Ed. I want a slightly more, I don't know, upmarket version of that. You know, you're gathering with your friends, somewhere in Brentwood.

You know, it's 10 years ago. You're just a fan. You know, you haven't pulled any strings. You've got a ticket. So it's 7 o'clock, and they're fighting at 4. It's 7 p.m. in Brentwood on the night at a fight, and they're fighting at 4. Run me through your night.

I don't... I mean, I don't... Well, I mean, what we'd do is we would probably meet up in the archers in Gidea Park. We'd have a couple of pints of fosters in there. Then we'd get in a cab all bundled in. We go straight down to faces at Gantz Hill. Yeah. And we'd just buy one round.

And the round was... Go on. TVR. Tequila vodka, vodka, rebel. Yeah. A pint of fosters. TVR. And a sambuca.

Right? But you had to buy one round of those three drinks for everybody. doing you only had to buy one round so we'd finish that next door to faces i was a great chippy donna kibab i mean it was unbelievable going there what a girl and then normally you'd pick up the cab after so you could actually in theory you'd have to leave a little bit earlier from faces but down the a four oh six to wembley fast that time of night that time of night it's a straight road i've done it before so yeah that's probably how it would have looked back then but how it looks you stroll up 10 to 4 in the morning just for the bell straight in for the main event lovely you know and as you walk out

Wembley, the sun's coming out, maybe another little greasy spoon after, just up on the high road. What a fight night, that would be. But hopefully it won't be 4 a.m. It doesn't have to be 4 a. No, that was me ripping it. You know what I'm just giving you more time in.

To be faces, to be honest, it would be an occasion. Yeah. Four's too late, in my opinion. But 2 a.m., you know, it's still an unbelievable occasion. I'll take the 2 a.m. over an international fight. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely. So, we should see.

So Eddie Hearn there, describing a night. Can you imagine this night where you're in one bar, then you go to a nightclub, and you then leave the nightclub at two in the morning, and you go next door to the chippy, and then you get in a cab, and you go to Wembley, get in the Wembley at 10 to 3 in the morning to watch the fight.

Maybe not everyone's dream night, but hey-ho, I'm going to put it to the pair of you. You've already said, Joe, the fight should be this weekend. It should be this weekend between Fury and AJ. Does it have to be? This is an open question to the pair of you. I don't care, who else is?

Does it have to be in the UK? No. I do feel, yes, this weekend would have been brilliant. Summer, what a goreous, summer of sport, Commonwealth Games, which just had the World Cup. And it was built. The old had a run out, Jake Paul and Tyson had Mademadav. And it should be at Wembley this weekend or next weekend.

And fans should have made a day of it, made a weekend of it. Most probably a prelim show on the Friday before it, at York Hall or something. Then the big fight. Saturday and yeah the weather but to say let's do it in England in November or December at Tottenham or at the Millennium Stadium. Three in the morning, three in the morning maybe later. Also prices of hotels, residents, policing, it's close to Christmas.

I'm sure the tickets won't be cheap. I do generally think a lot of every British friends will go, do what, rather it in Vegas and we'll go over there, stay in a cheap hotel, and we'll go three or four days in Vegas or I've seen an interview now with Eddie Huron saying possibly New York, Madison Square Garden. Yeah, I think people will go, Joe what, we'll tie that in with a trip with Christmas

and do a bit of Christmas shopping or whatever I do feel the appeal to it instead of, I think it's the costing of everything in Wemble, everything. The time you pay for your tickets. And like you say, Steve, getting home afterwards, you can't get home from the O2 after 11 and 12 o'clock. How people have got to get home at 2 o'clock in the morning. Trains have got to be run.

staffing, there's just so much logistics-wise, a lot to do when it's like, Joe what, Dads, we're off to New York or we're off to Vegas. It's a lot easier. Yeah. Not very often, Joe, but I'm going to disagree. I'm going to disagree. One thing I will say about here is that we've been talking, haven't we, about the prices of tickets, the price and the tickets here for this event, considering, you know,

with AJ, considering the, you know, effect that it could have on next fight, that the ticket prices are really so reasonable. It's, it's, it's, and, yeah, and now it's like, I do think, I agree with you it about the pricing of stuff because London, you know, for most people up north, London's already expensive. Yeah.

You know, chocolate bars and everything, is, drinks of different prices. People think you're joking, you're telling the truth. I'm telling the truth, yeah. It's like, it's so expensive to, to come down and spend a weekend in London. And it is cheaper for me, as a Scalcer to get on a plane

and go to Amsterdam to go to Paris to go you know to go that it's just cheaper so to go to London is an expense but I think for that fight that because regardless if it's 10 years

20 years whatever past its due date people still want to see it it's still the biggest fight right now but it's still the biggest fight but it is on the point and getting if it doesn't happen now this year we're on the point of the moment where the Pachial were not seeing the best at the best in the time.

And we're not got to see the best Fiore versus the best AJ. They've got to be on the same level though, sure. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But if it doesn't happen this year, then we might as well forget it because people... It is cash. I've been promised so many times, this is it, this is it, this is it, this is it. And then they just go, oh, that bothered now, like, do I mean?

I don't... And in fairness, that's been Tyson's story. We're going to hear from Tyson the moment. That's been Tyson's story all week. When he's been asked this question in Pottaya by the half a dozen people that are scurrying around there trying to get interviews and trying to talk to him about his fight on Friday night, as he said, listen, you know, the man who's paid for it

gets to choose where it takes place. That's the way it works. Anyway, we can hear from Tyson Fury here at a press conference where he looked relaxing. We talked about AJ looking slim and looking relaxed. He looked fantastic Tyson Fury. Let's have a little listen to what he was saying, well, he's been saying in Pataya in Thailand all week.

I'm looking forward to her. You know, Maris has a good guy and known him a long time. He's a lot of professional fights, and he's a big dangerous guy, big heavyweight puncher so I've got to be on me A game and I've picked him because I want some good rounds out of him. He just went 10 rounds with the number nine rated WBO heavyweight Ukrainian guy. I don't know his name. So he will give, he'll give some good rounds and I'm not looking for a one round knockover. I'm looking for some good rounds and that's what I intend to do.

So I want to stay active and I want a box regular, whoever it might be. I don't care who it is. I've made a lot of money in my career and I've done very well. It's not about money. It's not about all of that. I'm boxing because I want to stay match fit, and I enjoy doing it. And if I'm going to be a pro boxing, I may as well be one. I must want one fight or two fights every now and again. I want to stay fit.

And, you know, if this, when I want to get past this fella here, whatever fight happens next, then we'll go into that. And I won't be just like, let's just six, seven months, ten months pass by. I'm going to stay busy and active. This heavyweight division, Tyson, it's all changed right now. There's new world champions being crowned. Ajit Kabil, is now a world champion.

We've got Gassier of world champion, Daniel Dubois, world champion. Where does Tyson Fury fit in this current heavyweight landscape? He doesn't. All the men's been gifted world titles. They never actually fought anyone to get one. How could you compare them men to me? He's fought legends in the game

and beat them for the titles. Not possible. And their names, they're not even high record names. Who knows who these people? I know they're only just starting out in the careers. They're only a few years younger than me, most of them, but they're starting out with a no name and they've got to build their

open, it's going to take years to get there. All these guys, listen, they're all, they're all doing the thing, they're all going to fight it all out between themselves. Even after being retired for 10 years, I could still come back and get a world title shot at any time, because I've paid the price, I've spent hours and years in this game to be able to do that. I'll always be a big name. But as for Russell up and down with some cowboys, hell no. There's Fury just a couple of days before he's due to fight Marius Vacke, who's 46 years of age, been in with everybody. Sure, he's a big lump, he's a big guy, and it'll be fun,

but it does look a bit like an old pals act. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's the business. He did with Del Boy Chazora back in 2022. But the interesting point he makes there to the pair of you is that, you know, I've won't do his voice. I get in trouble for doing his voice. You understand that, although I'm really good at it, Joe.

You do big Johns instead. Oh, there's no need for that. There's no need for that. I was having a good day. There's no need. Don't lower the time. Go on, go on. So quite seriously, what for you is saying there is,

I fought for the world titles. I won the world titles. I won the world titles in the ring like you're meant to do. And then he lists all the people that have been gifted world titles. One interim titles have been upgraded. Fabio Wardley, Daniel Dubois, Ajit Caball, recently, Murick Gassieff recently. He said, you know, I'd beat all of them.

I'd be all of them. You know, they've all been gifted titles. You know, in all fairness, he does have a point about being gifted titles. I appreciate that. But that is our. modern business. I do agree.

You got to remember, I think he doesn't get the credit sometimes Sausen Fiore. He won the titles. He won them away from home. He won him against Klitschko in Germany. 50,000 Germans screaming for Vladimir. And no one gave him a chance.

And then he came back from the state he was in and the mindset, got himself in shape, and went over and beat Wilder a couple of times in America. He was really dangerous at the time. Yeah, Wilder was like the big punch and no one's fighting. So he beat the influence.

warm heavyweights that time he beat the number one. And only my mate Gypsy John predicted that result. Well, and that's what I'm saying. So I do get it. And then he sat there thinking, Gassiev and Wardling, all that like. And you're all like jumping up and down with Daniel. I don't know about Daniel. I think Daniel's earned his stripes.

I do feel he's gone in there. He's put his neck on the line. And from where he originally was beat and rejoiced from how he's come back from averse, it just makes him to come back even better. So I'd most well really take it. take Daniel out of that equation, but I can understand everything else that Tyso and Fiore says. And at the same time as well, Steve,

you've been in boxing a long time, I've been a lot of time. Apart from two or three of them, I do feel this is the worst era of heavyweight boxing that there's ever been. But it's been great competitive fights. No, no, no. Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve. People are getting plaudits and rankings and everything else. And a lot of these

wouldn't even make the top 20 in the 70s, 80s, 80s, zero's, 2000s. They just wouldn't, the heavyweight boxing's change we've seen, when misfits, the heavyweights have changed, a lot of American heavyweights are involved in the sport now. The basketball, NFL, the ball gone. And it's great

that Britain has a strangle hold on the heavyweight division, but everyone just needs to, as Roy Keene, as Roy Keen say, just calm down, just calm down a little bit, just let's not get carried away. Look what's gone before and the credit, and let's not give too much too soon, to people who've yet to really test themselves

and I think Titan 4, Fiora, who's sick, have proved the worth overtime in this generation and Anthony Joshua to an instant. Yeah, I think you can only, that's the competition at the minute with you can only beat who's in front of them.

Unfortunately, we don't have an alley, we don't have a foreman, we don't have any of them. I know, but we're not to talk about Olympic gold medalist, Sasha. We're talking about people out of the day and ray down the list when you talk about your Greg pages and you talk about Jerry Cut Sears, you talk about bone crusher Smiths,

people that were solid heavyweights, that when the belts vacated became world champions, Tonya Tucker became a world champion, Pinkland Thomas became a world champion. Do I mean, they became world champions? That's just the lost generation you're talking about there for people that don't know guys that lost their way. And I feel if you pulled them and brought them into this top ten,

they'd most probably be eating more. You know what? I must forget to stick for it, but it's just how I feel sometimes. Someone's just got to stop this silly noise that's going on at the moment. They've just got to stop the silly noise and let's get a little bit real. Joe, I don't absolutely disagree with you.

What I do agree with is that those guys, a lot of the heavyweights from the 70s, 80s, the 90s, not the superstars. A lot of the guys that were the contenders at that particular time, especially that lost generation in the 90s. And I particularly like that 11 or so heavyweights. I do believe that with the right lifestyle, they could all compete at the moment. Now, I'm not saying they'd all naturally beat Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, but they would definitely compete.

And they were, obviously, mostly all America were talking about. One South African you dropped in there. the rest of them are American. And I completely agree with that. I'm not so sure that we couldn't parachute half a dozen of our best heavyweights from the last 15 years back in time. I'm not saying that Vladimir Clitschko parachuting back in time beats George Foreman. But I don't want this to become a heavyweight debate show,

but he certainly can compete back there, in my opinion. I understand. But I do feel Gary Mason would be like number one and number two in Britain. I'd say standards. Garra Mezons are friends. You've come up with an ace card there, son, and I'm never going to disagree of anything you say about Gary Mason.

Gary Mason, an unbelievable fighter and it's a shame he's grin. Even Frank Bruno for what he did and what he went through and he fought the Mike Tyson's, he'd be right up here now, do you understand? But Gary May, there's lots of fighters there,

but sometimes we're just getting carried away some fighters where there's a lot of credit being given to them, and they have done fair play to him and everything else, but at the same time, you just can't overlook what's gone before and either. I think that's a bit of a British way, to be fair,

And not only that is that So my generation I didn't know who Gary makes I wouldn't know who that is And I know as far back as like Lewis Holyfield Tyson And I know Ali just because of who he is And I know Foreman just because of all of the great fights

that he had but when it comes to rich boxing history That's not my generation So in my generation Like I'd say yeah probably Holyfield and whatever, they, who I'm comparing these, this round to. And there's obviously younger people than me.

I'm an old generation now, even I'm old now. So then there's a younger people who are looking at Anthony Joshua as their generation of fighting. Or Jake Paul. Yeah, or Jake Paul. That's why you see him coming up into the conversations. But yeah.

Calm down a pair of it. We could talk heavyweights for an awful long time because don't even get me started on a WBA tournament at the end of the 60s, which was one of just the all-time great fixtures in boxing. Now, just to remind you, if you were trying to find out how you can watch Tyson Fury's fight against Marius Vak. Yer Khan, it's being recorded for his docus series, whatever reality TV show that he has on Netflix. Yes, it will not be shown live at the moment.

That could always change at the last minute. A Box Nation, we used to buy fights at 6 o'clock and put them out at 8 o'clock, so trust me, that can happen. Now, in Jeddah, on the undercard. You've obviously got your fighter, his fighter. We're talking about that earlier, Mikey Tallon. You're the fighter, you two look after, manage, promote, train or whatever it is. I'm just do better everything these days, buy shoes for, buy socks for.

He's going to be boxing at some point on the undercard. He's ranked even number one or two at Flyweight in the UK. That's for another day. But Josh Kelly is defending his world title against Kevan Agiarco. I think that's a really difficult fight, and I really

wish that was in the UK. And Ham's Shiraz is defending his WBO super middleweight title against Simon, Zach and Huber. Now, I did speak to the pair of them, and we'll try and slip that out somewhere, but both of them, Josh Kelly and Hamza Chiras, were in terrific form, terrific form. Well, listen, Tash, and listen, Joe, we've recorded this show in sight of a toilet. Now, I've never done that before. I've never recorded a show where I can look at a urinal or a carsey. And I've got to tell you, I might do a few more.

because I've loved every second of it, John. Yeah, there's a few puns of the punchlines there, Buncie. I'm not going there, but yeah, it was a great show. Good to sit down and chat. Sit down, there you go, you've straight away. You've got toilet humour. Yeah, yeah, there you go, thank you. And Tash, as we were walking in, already heard shouting out to you.

Tasha, you retired, Jett? Well, I'm not going to shout up. What's going on, Tash? I've been asking you this for 18 months now. It's the commitment to saying it's done. That's the big step. When you say it's done, I can't, I can't be a recording. Can't back out, can you?

Yeah, and be like, oh, actually, I was just pretending. So, yeah, it's the commitment to saying it's over. But we'll see, we'll see. I still actually get offers. That's why I haven't officially said anything. Considering the office. Yeah, yeah. One offer that you did consider, you did accept,

was to join us at ringside in Jeddah for five life. About 11 o'clock for Anthony Joshua's last fight before the big fight. Or as he said, the start of the comeback. Tasha Jonas would be ringside with me in Jeddah. On Saturday night, Joe will be somewhere inside the arena with his fighter, arguing to try to move him up the bill so he doesn't fight at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. He fights at 10 o'clock in front of a bigger audience. That's what fight people do.

I've been Steve Bunce, and this is Five Live Boxing.