5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Has Fury-Joshua Really Moved Any Closer?

Episode Date: July 26, 2026

Does the Joshua-Fury fight still whet the appetite after watching both men in action this weekend? Barry Jones joins Buncey after they watched Anthony Joshua climb off the canvas twice before stopping Kristian Prenga in the second round. They discuss what AJ's performance means for a potential showdown with Fury, and we also hear from Joshua himself as Buncey catches up with him in the ring moments after the fight.

This is Five Live Boxing. Anthony Joshua won in Jeddah. Tyson Fury won in Pataya, Thailand. So in theory, they will fight each other. But nothing in boxing is that simple. Here's the story of a truly mad cat weekend in the heavyweight world of boxing. I'm Steve Bunce, and this is Five Live Boxing.

It was the type of fight a night that isn't easy to actually break down. I'm not joking. I've been ringside thousands of times. And I don't know if I've ever been as shocked as I felt at the end of that fight. Not because of the way Joshua finished it, but because of what happened in the first round. Let's leave it there and let's pull in the only man I can talk to at 4 a.m. in the morning

because he's the only man that's awake. Now, that's not the only reason you're on the pod, Barry Jones. You're on the pod because you've been back here waiting for me for two hours. I had some stuff to do. It went up and jumped in the ring and spoke to Joshua. We're going to hear from Joshua a bit later on. I often say to you, where do you want to start? Well, I'm going to say it again.

Barry, where do you start to break down what we saw tonight inside the Jeddah Superdome? Let me just tell people what happened. Anthony Joshua came to the ring. It was rapturous. It was brilliant. He was fighting Christian Pringer. We all knew he'd take care. care of Christian Prenga, ding-ding round one, suddenly AJ's on the floor.

Then he's on the floor again. He survives the first round. Second round, Prenga becomes passive, then gets not clean out after about two minutes and 40 seconds. So inside six minutes, it's all over. I'm not really sure what we watched. No, it's, again, boxing will never cease to blow my mind. A routine comeback fight.

A perfect comeback fight Yeah, and I mean, all the issues that Anthony had Going into the fight, or before the fight, no, like losing his friends And we've been through that on previous stuff But just break the fight down for technical ability, experience and the rest of it And even this version of Anthony Joshua,

which is not the most robust, that's the truth, that's fighting because he's still a good fighter It's still like an easy night to work for him It did. Even watching Prengen, undefitted or whatever, you know,

he looked at, you know, he looked solid, and he did. You know, but, and he looked perfect is what he looked,

Barry. But he looked the fastest, you know, you could be able to see the punches come in and, you know, not ever box at any sort of level, so, you know,

boxing on a big occasion, you might freeze, might not, but, you know, the chances are you're going to be more tentative because you're not used to the occasion. But, and so,

this start with the shot that put him down which was a right-upacut. Short little right-upacet inside. He took a right-hand, clubbing right-hand over the top just before that. Yeah. But neither shot looked massively heavy. Now, I know they're big guys,

so they don't have to be like real, no crazy thrown punches. Nearly 19 stone, Perenga was. But that other hand, okay, he didn't see it, but he barely touched him. And he goes down heavy, Barry. Oh, he's hurt?

And he's 18 seconds into the fire, and he's on the floor hurt. Oh, well, all through our commentary on that first one, because his left leg was playing up. And, you know,

between the, there was like four of us talking and, and, and, oh, I think he's hurt his leg, and it wasn't.

He just didn't have his legs beneath him. That's all that does. That's why he stumbles and staggers and falls into the ropes five or six times. It's a horrible term,

and it's a jelly-legged. It's one of the, no, it's not a derogatory to ever no mean that way, but that's what he was. He got up, and he tried, he's trying to regain.

He's smiling, so sometimes you know... But he was so smart, sorry for him to talk to him, but when he was beaten by Andy Ruiz in New York and when he was beaten by Dubois, he smiled all the time then. But sometimes you can be aware of what's going on, but your legs won't obey what you're trying to tell them to do. I think that was a bit like it was tonight.

And then Prenka tried to jump on Joshua. Couldn't quite get rid of it. Josh knew enough to hold on and survive and got hurt again, got dropped again, and the ropes kept them up at one point as well, I thought. And... That could have been count as a knockdown. Yeah, and Prangor didn't really have the experience

to maintain the space to get rid of him, but he tried. And then you just think this is just a disaster that the fury fight is just done. I mean, are they going to make... Are they going to make that now? It's impossible. If you put out to bed, though.

And then Prenga came out of the second round, didn't throw a punch. You got clipped towards the end of the first round. Half clipped. And to be fair to Joshua, He came out quite positive in the second round that would say that. And I think he did catch pregnant with it with it.

Straight away. Yeah. But I mean, there's a short, reacting to things that you're not sure are going to have. I've been there when I dropped the guy, I know I wasn't a puncher, I couldn't punch you save my life. I dropped the guy who was the puncher and I didn't do anything.

So you're sticking to a plan that you had in your head and your camp had. and then you're not going with the natural instinct to maybe go for it. Finish it. So you just stand in no man's down and do nothing. No, okay, maybe he had that sort of scenario in his head, but they had a full minute rest to evaluate what went on

and the instruction. It wasn't like you just react because he just knocked when he got up and what do I do now, what I do now. You know, it's just shocked you. You had enough time for you and people around you to give you more advice and stuff, and he just didn't do anything and I remember seeing that at the end of the fight

I think he'll regret that for the rest of his life because that was his chance to shock the world I wasn't watching Prangas Corner because I was trying to watch I was standing up watching AJ's Corner and I want to see how excited Eiger Gollad the new trainer is

and just if there was any panic in the corner and he seemed quite calm when he got up when he stood up a bit early he seemed quite calm so I wasn't looking over at Pringer's Corner but I'd like to think that Sammy most shout, I think, and the rest of those men in that corner

were screaming at him to get out and finish it. That's what I'd like to think. But I didn't see it, so I can't say it did happen. I can't say it didn't happen. But it should have happened. Yeah. I think they said, you know, you've got to just get beyond that jab.

I mean, the jab was the key weapon. And when he came on the second round, anti-Joshua, no, that jab, you know, did the job for him, really. He pushed playing the back, and then he got caught with the right hand. And then there was a three-punch competition.

with the looping right hand that finished it. But he got out of jail. I mean, I mean, more than almost anyone I've ever seen go out of jail. I mean, that not only saved

what you call it? It's insanity maybe. But, and the... Save his boxing career. Well, that's another issue. And his legacy. I don't think he has a real boxing career left. This is going to sound crazy.

I mean, commercially, Of course he has, because he's a superstar. He's been phenomenal. And what I'll say is, it'll sound disparaging, and it will. But you can't go on forever. This is not the anti-Josh who, you know, of 2017 or 2018, the 16. It's not that same guy.

He's not. I mean, you can be, and that's fair enough. There's no problem with that. It's, this career at the high level, he's talking about fighting Fury and then going on to try and fight titles. Be undisputed. I mean, the only fight that film is Fury. And after that performance, you don't give him much of a chance.

You don't, even the few we saw on Friday. Even the fewer we saw in these clips that we've seen from Pataya where he forces the aging, hulking, Polish warrior Marius Vak to retire at the end of the seventh round. I didn't think they were particularly impressive clips. No, he looked awful. The bits I've seen this way. You were better against Arsland-Makmoodov back in April.

He looked awful, you looked slow. and he looked like a guy who didn't have this distance or timing anymore and that was a worry for him. But Joshua, okay, in the second round and the finish was almost vintage anti-Joshua. Yeah, it was, yeah. He was up on his toes, he was bouncing in it out, he was fluid, and once he hit you with a good shot,

he followed up without loading up, without tensing up, with a nice, smooth combination, and got rid of the guy. We've seen that many times before. The rhythm in his world was just the same as we've seen as a youth. but the resistance to be able to hold a shot is not there anymore these big guys, they can all get hurt getting knocked down as a big,

or knocked down to heavy weight is not like a warning sign like it is for smaller weights because everyone can punch even the ones who can punch can punch. They're massive giants, but they weren't big shots and...

No, they weren't big shots. And, I mean, you'll argue you get punched by him. No, no, no, and no, That's the petty and silly argument that you will get. Well, you try and take the punch then. Yeah. You try and take the punch.

Eddie Hearn talked... I would argue when they hit me with him. Eddie Hearn talked on the night before the fight saying, you know, AJ's got the typical nerves that he always has. AJ did say to me that he understood how much pressure he was under. Perhaps we all underestimated a little bit, just how much pressure he's put himself under and we put him under, knowing that this was the semi-final in theory before the giant,

the enormous, the incredible fight that was playing between him and him and Fury. Perhaps there was too much, and then on top of that, he's still grieving, having been involved in a car accident that cost him, that cost the lives of his two closest friends

back in December. So there was a little bit of that. Plus there was injuries from that, which kept him only on an exercise bike for a couple of months. So perhaps it's a bit of a perfect storm. No, no, no. That's why I said, perhaps,

with a question mark. was on with you what happened in that ring was wasn't a series of factors that was just boxing reality in my opinion there comes a point in your career when you can't do things anymore

might be your legs that go might be your timing might be your speed and it might also be your punch resistance one of those things that you just that you just lose this sounds like a similar conversation we had before on BBC radio

I mean you and I in London and it was Tyson boxing, Mike Tyson boxing Jake Paul. Yeah, I remember. And I said something about your mind tells your body things you can't do anymore. Something like that I said. And that's the same thing. You think it, your body can react the same way, or you don't see the same things.

You're slower than you once were. And it might be small bits, but little bits make a big difference sometimes in fighting. Of course I do. And all those things you mentioned about. Joshua coming back and the pressure was immense and what he went through, you know, with his friends is, you know, just horrific and just being able to just put your face out there in public.

It's enough, brave enough thing. All those are amazing. You can never, you know, ignore those or pay them down. But this wasn't a performance-related issue because it hadn't gone long enough to say you're in boxing very well. Or, you know, he looks a bit... I think he's troubled in the corner.

He doesn't look right. You can't get me on the jab. nothing's happened it was too quick in the wrong it was like it was early he got caught with a shot that didn't look massive and then caught with another shot

that looked less concussive and his legs went yeah and he never got none back she'd say his left leg wasn't it can happen all anyway but I mean

yeah and yeah and he got out of jail but I mean so it keeps his career alive it keeps the fury fighter alive so for him that's great but I think

I am hoping and I hope that, because boxers are the last people to admit it to themselves, that he realizes the only fight left to him is Fury. Yeah. It's interesting, Barry,

because I managed to, I was a bit shocked at the end. I mean, you can still hear a bit of shock in both my voice and your voice to be perfectly honest with you. Having done this with you before 4 o'clock in a bedroom, too many times, to be perfectly honest with you.

Yeah, too many times. Many questions asked. Too many, yeah, we'll talk about that later on. Will I go down says I have a coffee before you go off to the airport. I managed to scramble towards the ring, climb up onto the ring apron and grab a few minutes with AJ. It was odd. It was an odd interview.

Anyway, have a little listen. Tell what you think. You look relief at the end. Did I look relief? Yeah, you did look at relief. I was laughing. You were laughing when he caught you. Let me give him respect.

Let me give him respect. I was laughing because I enjoy it, but I was like, goddamn, don't lose this, don't lose this Tyson Fury fight. And we're here, in it, we're here. The pressure looked heavy. What do I, what did I think? I didn't think you were there in the first round, even before you got clipped.

Why? It was like you just look, maybe too relaxed. I'm calm in the ring, I'm relaxing the ring, but I definitely feel from this I'm unstoppable now because I've seen it all, I've done it all, I've been through so much, I'm strong man He's a strong guy, you know

He's got potential He's got a lot of potential He's got a lot of potential But I feel I feel good after that And that ending was sweet Yeah exactly Like okay

I want it to be sweet I want it to be perfect Every time I get in the ring But if it's not At least I can show a bit of character And I enjoyed it AJ let me tell you this thing The last thing you need to show

Is character You've been showing character For 13 years brother Were you worried in the first round though. Were you concerned in the first round? Your senses were there. You knew that it was perilous.

That first round was... I mean, you're going to watch it back through your fingers, brother. Trust me. I just knew that I won't be denied, isn't it? I've got a big fight pending. So I knew that I wouldn't be denied.

There's a lot of people that want to see me fight Tyson's Fury in Great Britain and across the world, and I didn't want to let anyone down. And like, this is my first fight without having my brother's here as well, so it was like... My heart still with them.

There's a lot of people that were supporting me that helped me get up there. As I said, fighting is more than just, fight is more than physical. It's a spiritual thing. You know, if you've got people with you, your spirits in the right place, you can walk through fire, man.

And also, I want to give a shout out to my team as well, the right to fight team. The right to fight team that helped push me. They have worked tirelessly to lift you up for this fight, they've worked tirelessly, yeah. Sergei's coming over now. Big Serg. Big Serg.

Big Serga. Big Surga neither. I just want to say thank you because they're asking me me like how did I manage to get through and I said a lot of it's to do with my team the training the efforts that you guys put in I just want to say thank you thank you thank you because you know it's like when you're fit you can do 10 reps on a bench press when you're not conditioned you can do three reps these guys keep me in good condition so if I ever get hit with a good shot my recovery is I can recover within 10 seconds basically so I'd like to thank you as well you and your team son

because he's a he's a hero to us listen AJ go and do you and do it and do you and go and do your stuff. Thank you, I was here very soon. Thank you. So that was Anthony Joshua and me in the ring afterwards. He was still a bit dazed, still a bit dazed and confused. I think he was starting to sort of reflect a little bit on the, you know, on what I'd actually happen.

And as I said to him, you might want to watch that first round through your fingers. Because, you know, sometimes fighters forget what happened in the ecstasy of the choice. Yeah, of course, yeah. I mean, that's standard. It's a great finish. So he's riding on a crest of way because he got rid of the, he got off the floor,

went through a bit of jeopardy in the ring, a lot of jeopardy in the ring, and come up the other end in impressive fashion. That's the truth of it. He did. But he wasn't up against Daniel Dubois or people at his level.

He was up against a guy who was picked for him to have an easy return like he was for Tyson for you when he box Friday against Mario's Vack. They were many people. to be easy nights for both of these guys. And that's why I go to go back and say, the only fight left for both of these guys now

is each other. Yeah. And that's it and then go. I think I agree that it is the only fight left for each other. So the only fight left for the two of them is a fight against each other. And I think, you know,

and in that sense, we know it will still be an event, but there has been a drop-off in interest towards the fight. It's still going to sell 90,000 if it takes place at Wembley. It's still going to do great business all over. you know, if Netflix are going to do great business with it,

we know all that, or do we know all that? Is it business as normal after those two fights that they've just been in? Is it business as normal across all arenas? Again, like I've said this already, like, no, but it's... For boxing fans and boxing nuts and boxing purists and all the real boxing fans, it doesn't have the same glamour or clamour, and if you saw it, okay, if you don't like me,

you, if you see it, I'll watch it, I'll make an effort to watch it. If it didn't happen, I won't cry over that because it's gone past any relevance,

it's not the two best in the world or two of the best in the world anymore, fighting each other, two British guys were at the peak. It's not that.

Or even close to their peak. It's not that either. So, if it happens, great, if it doesn't, then I won't cry over it anymore. I cried over there

five years ago when it didn't get made. So what about a week ago? But, the same thing, the same thing, You actually doesn't mean shape by Friday night in Patia and last night in dinner.

No, regardless what happened this weekend. And let's say before, it's, they don't, no cares about boxing fans, because we're in or we're not in. But this, it's a massive,

huge event. You mentioned events. It's a massive huge event where people outside of the boxing realm, people who watch sports, pick and choose what sort of sport they want on what occasion of, the pay-per-view market,

which is not boxing fans. That's all the people outside of that who only want to watch anti-Josh or only want to watch these big and big names they're still going to

want to watch the fight because it'll be the adverse and the build-up and all that will be sold and the press comments when they come together these are two all-time great and these are two fantastic fighters

and they are they are but not in any more but they are and these are two the best British heavyweights they're together parallel along each other they'll never got the fight

we've made it happen now they can't collide and they'll be brilliant. And we'll watch that, but we won't get caught away with it because we know the reality, but we'll still watch and work on it. Of course we will. And I still don't want to see it.

But, you know, they both looked, they both looked what they were this weekend. And that's fighters, who've had a long, hard career, long hard, brilliant careers that suck the life off you. Because boxing's a horrifically hard sport. Nearly 40 main events between the two of them.

Oh, but, I mean, Dozens and dozens of really hard fights. But the training camps and the injuries and the punches and the training camps and the injuries and let's just go on with that. We cycle those three things forever. And like five times a year, you know, twice a year when you fight,

but it's like all the stuff that happens and that and you can't stay sharp. In any sports you can't stay sharp, but in boxing when you're getting punched in the head, you can't stay sharp forever. You can't. You've got nothing wrong with that. I take that on board for the tour of them,

but we're very specific. because that's the fight we've watched from you from five feet away me from 15 feet away we weren't at the fight in Pataya so we didn't actually see Tyson Fury in the flesh a lot of it against

VAC a lot of flesh there as well all the way through the seven completed rounds we didn't see it we've seen enough clips we've seen enough and we feel we know enough to convince ourselves that it wasn't vintage and it wasn't necessarily a very impressive performance

So with AJ, we've seen it up close and personal. We've seen his left leg, him lose control of his left leg. We've seen him clipped and hurt and staggered, falling into the ropes a couple of times and being dropped twice, first time massively legitimately. Second time touching down,

so it's still a legitimate knockdown. He still seems to have that idea that he will move on, that Fury is just the stepping stone to going forward. which is not, you know, there's a lot of fighters that believe they can do something that they can no longer do. But do you, I mean, he's also an incredibly honest human being. What will it be like? What would it be like if, what would it be like, rather, be, I'll ask it for the fifth time. What would it be like being Anthony Joshua for the next, I don't know, the next two or three days?

Do you think there'll be a realisation that that wasn't good the other night? I think it's going to be hazard, because. he might think one thing right now and then hear a lot of other stuff now he's used to hearing things about himself so I imagine a lot of it he just ignores anyway but it won't be great for him because he was hoping this was going to be

a little bit of it no you've had such a massive support to what happened with his friends and stuff and the track he's a national idol as I said he's been great for the sport he's been a role model for kids he's been fantastic in so many things but he had loads of support

to build up for this fight and rightly so and now he'd be like oh all these are listening to this maybe and go well they were all saying how much of a great guy am now they're all slagging me off tearing me down again nothing's good enough

look at the finish and the finish was fantastic by the way but if that happened against say Andy Ruiz who beat him no right Andy Ruiz is a good fight if that happened against Andy Ruiz and he stops him as the late replacement in New York

at that time of his life we're not going we can't take a punch because it's Andy Ruiz. Absolutely. And he gets off the floor and he knocks him out and he goes, that's a great result. Because Andy Ruiz might be a late replacement

Andy Ruiz, but he's been an Olympian, he's a good fighter, he's fast, he's strong. Yeah, and you know, and okay, and I know he's massively, he looked out of the shape and all the rest of it, but we've seen that with Tyson Fury, especially with heavyweight, aesthetically, it doesn't mean anything, does it?

It's what the engine is and what the skill you have. But it's not. It was a guy who, I mean, playing might be a massive puncher. You know, he's got on record he could punch him against wild opposition. But he didn't look the fastest,

and he wasn't the fastest tonight either. So, you know, you think Joshua should have went in and steed rolled him. Yeah. Now, he might tell, he might turn out to be a fantastic fighter, the best Albanian fighter who ever lived in the end. Absolutely, and good luck to him,

and I hope he does. And then we're all sort of backtracking, actually in retrospect, but we all are going to go surmise and critique what we know or what we think we know, what we've seen. and what we've seen is

there's a guy there he's boxing at this level was a little bit okay but half decent but didn't look fantastic beat the guy you know who's been the top of the tree

and trying to get back that again but it's looked jaded over the years but at high level that's the difference now getting stashed by Daniel Dubois which wasn't a shock

but it was the underdog won that night that's the truth of it because Josh was like he was back and No, but that's not like, oh, it's a problem with it, no, as much as it is no. And that is something that some people might miss and might be critical of some of the things that you've said here and some of the things that I said on radio.

People might be critical of the opinions we're voicing here about Joshua, saying, you're not taking into, you know, you're not considering this, you're not considering that. But as you say, the Andy Ruiz, that. That's what happens in life against good fighters. The Daniel Dubriar, that's what happens in life against good fighters. But what happened in the first round tonight should never have happened. No, I don't think so. And also, your opinion is not what you want.

I don't want him to get, like, battered. Listen, Barry, I've lived with being called the number one Joshua cheerleader for the last 15 years. But also, I don't not care. I mean, when he boxes Tyson Fury, I don't really care who wins. I want to see a good fight.

I want every boxer and they walk away with no damage and lots of money. That's what I love. Absolutely. No, because most boxes don't. I never.

I mean, so, you know, and most boxes don't. You walked away with the money. I had to give it back though. But usually it's one or the other. Yeah, of course it is. You have to pay your, Everyone has to pay the piper.

Everyone's going to pay their price. And in boxing, someone always collects. Whether it be the money or your health. And quite often it's both. Someone down the line, there's a knock on the door. Figures the... And they go, yeah, your health. We'll love it.

We'll take that back. You'll have your health today, so. You sell your soul in boxing. It might sound just matter what you're doing here, Barry, but it's the absolute true. It's true, isn't it. But we see boxers now. They're in an intelligible state.

So, you know, we don't want that for Danny, Josh. We don't have for Tyson fuel. We don't have for any fighter. But I mean, especially the ones who give us so much joy. Yeah. And have helped the injection, not on purpose, but their efforts and their endeavors have enriched the sport and help it grow.

And we produce better fighters from that on the back of their success who've been able to have bigger fights because there's been more money injected into the sport because of them two. And first of all, it was just Joshua, who made stadium fights just a normal running of the mill.

Another 80,000. But we're not there now, but not at that point now. So these two fighting, which is what I think we're on now, is a fight that we're still garnished, massive interest. Absolutely.

And we'd still work at it. We're definitely going to go. I'm going to, if it goes to New York, which you shouldn't, or Vegas, which you shouldn't, I'll want to go. Yeah. If it goes to Wembley,

I'll want to go. I'll still go there. Just to let people know that what we thought was the plan, what we'd considered was the plan for the last six weeks was that Tyson Fury, having done the business in Pataya in Thailand, 4,000 miles away, about 10 hours by commercial airline, would be here at ringside in Jeddah.

Even the left did, by the way. So we thought everybody in the Tyson Fury gang who did arrive at ringside, we thought they were fibbing to us, not telling us the truth, and that Tyson would make a dramatic appearance. at the end. He didn't make a dramatic appearance at the end, but he was massively critical all week of Christian Pranger,

outrageously critical of Christian Pranger. I just wonder, I mean, by the time people are listening to this pod, maybe we've heard from Tyson Fury. He's gone back to his wife in the Isle of Man with his children. So right now he's asleep because we're recording this at about 3 o'clock in the morning in 3 o'clock in the morning UK time, 5 o'clock in the morning time in Saudi. So there's still a couple of unknowns. And this story has legs.

Spencer Brown, who's Tyson's business manager and close friend, he talked about a big announcement in the next couple of weeks. Eddie Hearnas said, hold on, hold your horses. If the fight goes overseas, I'm just refreshing people's memories. If the fight goes overseas, then that means we have to look at new contracts. The contracts we have in the contracts we agree, the contracts we signed for the fight to take place in the UK. So it's not a guarantee that we'll just move easily from the two performances this weekend

into a super fight between the two of them. There may be some more shenanigans. And I just wonder if the performance is over this weekend, Friday and Saturday. I wonder if that'll have any effect on what happens going forward. Which is interesting you say that, because it wouldn't it has an effect on the people who are paying for the fight. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying. Do, say, Netflix, for instance, say,

hmm, is that fight going to give us what we want now? Or equally, I'm playing devil's advocate. Perhaps that's exactly what Netflix want. Two veteran, iconic, outspoken, once brilliant performers. But they, they, say, I mean, the rest of you all the time, I apologize. What, you're allowed to, son. It's five o'clock in the morning.

I just thought, see who you like it for a change. But, but I... They did Tyson Fury, they did Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul. You know, like a guy who was 60s

who wasn't, the last time he boxed was a shadow of himself anyway. And that was 20 years ago. And they just literally like dined out on him being a monster

in the 80s and a phenomenon which he was in 86. So, you know, they can make it sell. You know, you audition for Netflix

is not going very well because I'll just tell you. I ain't get a lot of Netflix. Just to let you know. They've got to come to me. If that fight goes to CAD, they've got to come through me, so I don't care what's going on.

So, Barry, why should you work on our Netflix production of Tyson Fury? Just to tell Netflix, you can't have me. I'm on an exclusive deal with the zone. Yeah, go and call some fun. So sorry about that.

I'm going to turn you down. But they don't want to make commercial sense for them. But I think they can sell. So what I'm trying to say is, if they can make that sell, of my Tyson is a huge superstar name, but they'll make this sell fine. And it's an easy sell to the generic sports fan. It's an easy sell, Steve. Yeah, it's an easy sell in a sense that you can package it. But will 85 or 92,000 people show up at 3 o'clock in the morning or 2 o'clock

in the morning at Wembley in the middle of, middle to late November? After this weekend? I would My first thought is no But when Tyson Fury box Derek Chazora for the third time? 7 the 3rd, 2002 Was December? December 3rd

I'm only showed up for that At least 68 or 65,000 And that was bitter, baby And so And we all knew what would happen there Tyson was given Demer 4, yeah I didn't watch me because it was paper view

And I remember saying at the time Like I would pay it for the fight. I love boxing. But I knew what was going to happen there because he, last time he boxed, and Azores was no, tough guy,

but the last time he boxed Chazora, he beat him southball and stopped him. Yeah, of course. So, you know, it's... But you do realize, by the end of this week, there might be people saying, did you hear those two miserable so-and-so's on the BBC last Sunday

talking about how this fight was this and this fight was that, and AJ's lost it and Fury's not the same anymore? People will still turn up, so probably on that basis, yes they will turn up and Joshua don't really care what people think Tyson's really doesn't care what people think

though I think I think it's quite poetic that them two would fight and finish their careers together in many ways whoever wins there's not going to be no I mean the two-fight deal I think oh I mean I don't want to see him fight twice unless the first fight is a classic

which you never know but I doubt it but you never know But I mean, strange things have happened. Fight. It'll be a huge occasion, a massive event. It might be a good fight because, you know,

they might dig to you somewhere. Like I've been saying all week and before this, it'd probably be a more enjoyable fight because they're more vulnerable than they've ever been before. And I think that's show tonight of vulnerable anti-Joshua it is.

So, Barry, listen, let's close the night. It is very, very late. It's been a very long, and it's been a very long and a very long, very long and a very much. emotional night at the fights here in Jeddah.

Gis give me a takeaway sentence from what we saw tonight in the Jeddah ring in Anthony Joshua's fight with Christian Pringer. I'll give you this. It's what my trainer used to say to me. My old trainer from Trinidad used to say to me, better to win or glee than to lose pretty. Yeah.

And that's what it was. And it was that one there. Yeah, that's the way. Absolutely the truth. Anthony Joshua did indeed. win ugly tonight, even though it was a sweet finish when it came at two minutes, having 43 seconds of the second round. Barry, it's been a pleasure talking to you all week.

I've been Steve Bunce, and this has been Five Live boxing. Five Live Sports. So here's the first ball of this series. All the cricket unit last. Check, Ralphie W. Ouch. Lips on BBC sounds. Smash straight back down the ground.

This girl. Here, ball by ball coverage of the biggest competitions on the domestic and international circuits. Support cricket, and it's the huge one. Jeez, worst. Settled out of it. Cricot on Five Live Sport. Oh, blibing every ball of this.

Listen on BBC Sounds.