5 Live Boxing with Steve Bunce - Meatball & Chips

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

Can Molly McCann replicate her MMA success in the boxing ring? The Liverpudlian has swapped the cage for the ring, and this week she sits down with Buncey to discuss the decision, the challenges of the transition, and how she and her promoter, Eddie Hearn, have carefully mapped out the next 18 months, which begins this weekend in Belfast.

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. This is Five Live Boxing. It was a good finish to the summer this last weekend. Michael Conlon, winning in Dublin and Pat McCormack winning in Sunderland, both moving closer to a world title. And this Saturday in Belfast and Las Vegas, well, there are lots of world titles on the line. Solcunolo Alvarez against Terence Corford in Vegas,

A superfight in many ways And it's history in Belfast Paddy Donovan and Lewis Crocker Fight for the vacant IBF World to Weight title It's the first time two Irish boxers Have met in a world title fight Later in the week I'll have all the voices

To set up both of those massive nights But this show is special It's all about a woman from Liverpool She was once an amateur boxer A Dreamer Then she made her name in the UFC And she made her name I'm not kidding.

And now she is back to boxing. She makes her professional debut in Belfast on Saturday. You know her as Meatball. I'm Steve Bunce, and this is Five Live Boxing. So I'm inside the gym now, and I'm upstairs in the women's toilets. I've locked the door, closed the door, and I'm sitting down with Meatball Molly McCann. She's stripping her tape to do her bandages.

It's going to be a bit of a makeshift set up at this. She looks in great shape. In fact, when she walked through the door, I was completely transfixed. I've never seen her look so slim and slight. Molly, first of all, how are you? I'm brilliant, thanks, Bun. It's 12 days till fight night, so I'm all buzzing. I'm going to see if I can multitask, aren't we?

So you're going to do your bandages whilst you're doing the interview? I'm going to absolutely try, yeah. That's not going to be a problem. No, I don't think so. So you're backing boxing. First of all, I've got to make a comment on your size, your shape. You just look so much smaller. I never saw you in a MMA fight week, admittedly.

But you just look so much, not slighter, that's the wrong word, but just smaller all over. Yeah, I think when I retired from MMA on the Saturday, I was back in the gym on the Tuesday. So like the 25th of March and I haven't been out of it. But in MMA you're only fighting two, three times a year in boxing. I'm going to be fighting five, six times a year. So it's like do all the whole.

hard work and then just be a bit more consistent with it, you know what I mean? I do. So when was the last MMA fight? The last MMA fight I think it was like the 20 seconds of March the O2 in London and last year I had a bit of an injury in one of my fights. I broke my leg with the first kick of the boat and I lost it in the end but I managed to fight three rounds with her broken leg and I just thought I don't know if my body can handle this anymore but I I've one more fight see where you go put in the back of my mind

you know like we've always said boxing was where I always wanted to go back to yeah so yeah so you're gonna be boxing on the undercard of Croco and Donovan yeah Windsor Park 25 odd thousand

yeah it's a bit daunting isn't it for you or is that a small crowd um to know I are steady I don't I'll fight obviously anyway but ideally that's what I'd always be fighting at in the UFC

you're looking on 18 to 22,000. And noisy? Noisy. You know, when I fight, everyone goes off the reds. It's like a big party. And I cannot wait. Imagine 22,000 British and Irish fans

screaming the red off. And of course, Dublin's a good... So I was Belfast and Belfast and Ireland. The Island of Islands a big MMA-Stoke UFC stronghold in many ways as well, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. You've got...

Obviously, Connor came out of there and they've just got it. islands are fighting country, isn't it? And it's what they brought up on. It seems to me, and I've been around a lot of fighters from 11-year-old boys and girls to ancient men, like Larry Holmes when he was 48, you've got like an infusionism,

like a bit of a child almost. It's like you're buzzing, you've walked through the gym here today, you've cuddled a dozen people, you've high-fived the rest of the people, you're flying! I know you're usually quite hyper anyway, but it just seems to me that you seem really happy. Yeah, do know, with Emma,

It was always a lot of self-doubt and imposter syndrome because it's Molly the Boxer doing MMA, blah, blah, blah, but I know boxing inside out, in 30, do know what I mean? I'm yet to lean on the pro ranks, but I don't really have to think too much here, I can just be, and the gyms are safe space for me. I get to express myself when I'm in here, and I think it's really important to have a family environment in the gym,

and I know you go to gyms, and it's always like the lads that are given it's this that and over. But for me to feel comfy, I've really got to like love the people in the gym. And do you know this no limits, Jim? Is it a gym that you know? Or is it just a people? Because I know a lot of boxing people in Liverpool transit through other gyms. They'll be at Rotunda for three years, seven years, ten years at Salisbury.

They'll be then the move over. Is it the same here? Yeah, so when I started boxing, I started at the Golden Gloves with Kevin Smith. He was in Saudi Arabia. He's actually in Liverpool today. He is, yeah, because he was over for the... He's over the World Championship. For the Tournament for the World Champs, yeah, it would start.

So I'll see him this week. Oh, cool. After that, this gym, No Limits, was joined on with Next Generation MMA. So Danny Withau has had MMA fight for NextGen. And he'd done all my pads when I was a world champion in MMMM. He got a little bit busy, so then that's why I was over at the Ritunder with Joe Mach and Dech. And then he just, he found his way back in our gym for the last. two years and my last couple of fights he was in my corner so it was a no-brainer for me to

come here and work with him because he gets me he knows how the psyche works for mullum that the people you work with get you yeah because look I'm larger than life are and I'm a very guilty yeah guilty as charge I'm a very specific kind of fighter and now what works for me and now the way the ways I learn and I think for him he's such a box and purest either of me to skill someone, then put them to sleep. And I think the important crossover for me in boxing is not fighting and not being an angry meatball. It's showing the purest part of the sport.

Not so much being a fighter, but like, can you box? About being a boxer. I want to talk about your boxing, how you got into boxing in the early years. But I want to talk a little bit about the differences, the changes, the crossovers, you know, going from one stance to another stance. I spoke to Savannah Marshall. earlier this year and she was amazed how hard it was

she thought it would just be changing feet one day you'd do it no it took her weeks and weeks and Peter Fury was fuming with her when she went back to boxing because he said stop being a stop being a MMA so how have you handled that transition

this time round do you know when it's all going to an MMA I'd revereate back to type which was boxing so I think the hardest part of the transition would be range so in MMA you've got like a kick and range, a punching range

and a wrestling range, and in boxing, you've just got punching range. But there's still, well, I would say like three different ranges to play in, yeah. And what else? Defend them with your hands. So you couldn't really like a block or parry, well, you're parry, but you couldn't block

or, like, cover up and block in MMA because the gloves were too small, wear a can now. And just, like, combination of defence is not just the one phase. So are you doing lots of more technical work, say, for the boxing, you would have been maybe doing with the MMA? No, because you had four Olympic disciplines in MN.

And now it's own. And you're only the master of one? Let's be brutally honest. Jack of all trades, but I was, well, master of one. But I was mastered at one, yeah. But it's been how I apply myself to everything, bunsey is like I just give me full self to it, no matter what I put my finger on.

And it's like every day, working hard. in the gym, recording my rounds, going home, identifying, right, I need to tie up there, I need to do this third, I need to do this there, and just enjoy the process. I think I would have come to boxing years ago if there was more opportunities and more money there. But you couldn't make a living off of it back then and the titles weren't there and the prestige, but now it's all there. The respect wasn't there either. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. But I managed to get that in the MMA world. Upon retirement,

I finally got the respect of the community when they actually realised. Actually, she's done a bit here, you know what I mean? So I've always kind of fought for everyone else. Fighting for the city, fighting for the gym, fighting for my mum, blah, blah, blah. But this boxing is just for me. I'm only fighting for me.

And that makes all the sense in the world. So was it hard saying goodbye to the world? UFC, where it was at the end, an MMA? Or have we not said goodbye? We left a little window open. We've definitely said goodbye. Body can't take it. Body can't take it.

It wasn't tough saying goodbye, you know, because I was ready. It was just the right time. You talked about it in 2022 at the first fight between Serrano and Katie Taylor. You'd been out sparring in Gleason. So you talked about boxing then. You know, it's on the back burner.

It's back burner. Yeah, I know back then. I've always said on the decline in MMA, I'll be back in the boxing gym. and it was just I just feel our home here I feel safe when I'm boxing and you've got to know when's the right time

I was never fighting M&A for money I was never fighting for anything another than to be a world champion but ultimately it came the time came do you know what I just thought you know what whilst I'm still okay it was only that leg where I broke that leg

I just couldn't take the kicks and then trying to train on that leg it was just so hard but boxing has got I don't have to take any leg kicks I don't have to worry about any of that kind of stuff so it's a lot of easier boxing's not easy

okay the differences are MMA you have to work two energy systems and think of for disciplines and like patterns and movement boxing is kind of mostly one but you have to... It's easier in some ways

it's easier in some ways doesn't mean it's easy doesn't mean it's easy but you've got to be fitter in a different way. And the transition from doing five minute rounds to twos is like, it's like I've been a marathon runner and now I'm going for the 200 metres. It's a big adjustment.

It is a big. Not even at a stop at 1500. Not even a stop at 800? No, you're going straight down. Going straight down, yeah. So take me back to win. Take me after when your first first fell in love with boxing, you know, however old you were. I mean, my understanding was in and around the Amir Khan time at the Olympics, or is that just the sort of story that I've picked up? Now that they're completely right there.

I remember watching Kelly Holmes at that Olympic Games and I was just like so busy sort of with the sport. And I just remembered there was the big story about Amir Khan. And he was 17 and he just went and... Yeah, he looked brilliant. And I loved the Cuban style of fighting and I'll never forget that final. I think it was with Mario Kindle.

And he ended up coming to the Golden Gloves after that. And I ended up meeting him there. He did, yeah. Yeah, he came over there. Didn't he something? He's like sister was married to a scouse or something like, something mad like that? Keff Smith just gets where water can't, do you know what I mean, and just managed to swindle it so we come and train there.

I think when he, because he ended up fighting Kahn again. In Bolton, yeah, and he ended up in May of 2005. Yeah, so that was it for me, but I wasn't really loud in the gyms, you know, back in the day. It was a bit, it wasn't nice to see women get hurt. It wasn't a dumb thing. but that was when I started knocking on the doors and then it was a couple of years after. I don't think of box really till I was 16.

So I was 12 when I watched the make-harn and then I never had my face by both till I was 16. It happens with a lot of girls back then. It took three or four years in gyms to find the right gym to find people that were going to genuinely train them. Absolutely, yeah. There was a strange old period there. I mean considering you're not old, I'm not that I'm old than you.

Well, I am a little bit old now, aren't. No, you're not that old. but it's like a different world back then for women in combat sports period you know boxing or or MMI 2005 is an odd time it was a tough place to be

because you'd well when I had the Golden Gloves I was just accepted but there was a lot of gyms I'd knock on the door and he'd say no girls love no girls so it's probably why I've got a bit more of a chip on my shoulder I think

and out to prove something like Little Man syndrome or just being a scouse so we have that anyway don't we? I can't do it How many chips on his shoulder, Mom? Tell the truth. Come, people, tell the truth. Two kilos of chips here.

Two kilos of chips here. Half a dozen kilos over there, yeah. But getting back to, you know, not, as I said, this is not going to be an interview to go to me, a B and C. The producer Paddy goes mad at me because we don't do things that way. Sorry, you mentioned, like, 10 minutes ago, that your trainer said that he wants to,

he'd rather see, you know, outskill someone than outslug someone. In some ways, you've got to control, you talk about emotions and the chips. I know we're joking about the chips, but sometimes those chips rule the emotions. So you have to be calm. Yeah, I think in MMA, that's what I never had. I've never had that patience.

I never had... You don't have time to be that methodical sometimes because you've just got to go. But in boxing, it's really surprising. I think how I have got that. Two minutes isn't a long time, but I'm not just going out like in fifth gear what I would do with an MMA.

It's like building into the rounds. I've had such good sparring this fight camp. Men and women, by the way. No, so in MMA I'd only spar lads really because you just couldn't get the girls. But I've sparring the lads in here twice and I've probably had about 20 spars with just girls. Even like ones from the city, like Olivia Holmes,

just turning over with Paul Smith. Like free time national champion being on the... So established female amateur boxers, girls that have done stuff and pros? I've had Maisie Rose darned little Mayer. She's coming for me last spa tomorrow. So, getting here up, I will. But it's like, I'm not here to, I'm not going to get journey women in my fights

because they were like, we've just got my opponents the other day actually, but it's like I'm not getting any easy touch. Lost the last 11? Yeah, it's not being like that. That's no good for you, is it? Well, that's no good for me, but it's like I don't want a false sense of security. I don't need my ego, massages. I need to get in, I need to learn it

and I'd rather probably do it the harder way so we gain the respect of the community. Let me go back to when you actually did box as an amateur. What level do you consider you reached? Just like open. Because you're honest, you know, you're honest? Yeah, open scene, yeah.

I think I managed to win a national championship and then I went on at Lincoln Camp with some of the girls and Savannah was there. Lucy O'Connor Lisa Whiteside Amanda Coulson was there She's the great unsung hero Women's boxing and Amanda Coulson

genuinely she is the unsung hero Anastasia Cousins You might not remember that name But she was big in Liverpool She won I think a bronze medal At the Euros back in the day And I was Was Tasha around at that time

Yeah Tash was there She ended up giving me a lift home And then she popped to Creenfield after So she went raving but She told me she's been a good girl since she was 16. Yeah, but outrageous. Yeah, no, back in the day, I think she was sober.

She went sober, but yeah, I was surrounded by the good ones. And even in my MMA career, I've still always supported them. You always had Tasha fights, right? Yeah, always had Tash fights. Always had the K-Sailor fights. Helped Chantel. Sorry, I didn't help her. We'd help each other back in, like, COVID.

Yeah, it's always being a nice community. It's a little bit different to the boxing female community than the MMA. Better, nicer, kinder, softer. What word are we using? I don't know. The people who I know, who I think I'm now, were there for me, but I don't think

MMA is a bit more pay-a-for, would let's work together. I don't see, I don't know, I just get a bit of different vibes off some of the girls. It's a lot of life they're trying to sell fights and make fake beef. Yeah, unfortunately, they think.

Well, they have to because it's just the way the cookie crumbles and you're trying to get people engaged. So I understand. Yeah, of course. But it is just different to kind of what I've been around. Have you, since this moved back at the box, you know, six weeks ago, whatever it was, now two months ago, whenever you signed, we'll talk about the deal with Matrim in a moment.

Yeah. Have you been inspiring with different people? You talk about different people. I mean, have you been over to see X, Y, or Z? Have you sparred with any big names in the last sort of two months? since you came back, you know, been down, done some work with Ellie Scaltony or Skynykerson

or anything like that? So, me and Skywell spar, but she's just been like here there, here, and every way. Yeah, of course, course. Over than Macy and live homes, I've spars a few girls,

but I think we're just getting this one out the way and then we're still going on the road. I think it's important that what we've learned for me is to box out my skin and not, not going with someone who may, take the piss and then I might revoke back to type. It's like it's been about my development

but I feel like I'm ready now to go anywhere. Like I said to yeah, I'd been in Vegas and in New York in different gyms. In different gyms. Sparring all kinds out there sparring like a lot of Mexican fighters where it's like understanding that style of boxing and then in Vegas and then out in Brooklyn

it's got that like that Brooklyn, New York vibe where you're sparring the lads in the glisans there so um i've seen enough it's aggressive and noisy sparring i've seen enough and i think the the fingers i've seen smooth technical operators and then i've seen stand in the pocket and i'm not going to take a step back and i think that's what was good because i'd think i'm really working well here and doing well here and then they throw a different type of boxer in and i've got great experience in m m m ming general 10 solid years of it. And how to win rounds.

I've seen every style there. So it was important for us here to see how many styles of boxer that I can get a South Pole counterfighter, South Pole pressure fighter, stand in the pocket orthodox, counter on an orthodox. And it's like I've had to find my style.

What does Molly McCann look like as a boxer? As opposed to Molly McCann as an MMO. Yeah, like you've got to figure out your patterns and your responses so it wasn't always the same answer to fire back it's got to be like no you've got to keep on changing your pattern so it's not easily read

and where do I feel comfortable in the pocket you're absolutely right do what I mean Of course that's where meatball lives That's where meatball lives Will it be a little bit tougher when Molly's the smaller person And she's often to Outbox someone who's got a longer jab than he

Absolutely but have I just done that For the last 10 years in MMA often to be on the outside of a jab and a kick I have. But the most important thing I think it's been is just learning how to establish the jab because even in MMA, I'd just pour the jab because I was too small. To touch in a shot, look at the throat,

look at the lens, something after it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely, and it's been like, so what I was watching, Chloe Watson and her jab. I was doing loads of, like, I was watching, I watch all the girls, and when I was watching that, I was thinking that's what my job's got to be, like, a proper jab, yeah.

I mean, I think that when people do the conversion, in both ways, I mean, if a boxer decides to go into MMA, I want to see him or her start at the bottom and learn the basic, get their feet right, get this right, get an understanding. And I think you've impressed me, I think, with you sort of how you've seen the differences, and you know what you've got to do is different because straightforward meetball, we might see enough of that,

but that's not going to get you to anywhere near the top. It's going to be entertaining. for three fights, you know, meatball in the pocket, what's the point? What's the point to getting found out?

But I also think it's like you need to gain respect of the community. Don't think you can come in just because of other achievements that you've had in a different sport.

It means not near. Other than, people know who I am. Of course, it's like you, like you could have gone in. If this is about money for me, I would have been boxing

on a weekend show against the influencers. Yeah. This is about proven what I've got where I should have always been and how much I respect the sport. Were you tempted to go over to what I call the sort of dark, the true dark side and box on the misfits he, you know, influencers, he style stuff? And was it a winner offer's on the table? The thing is you've got to understand your why. What is your why? And mine's to be the best

that I can be. I'm not going to be the best against an influencer. That's not why I'm here. Do you know what I mean? And I think you've got to take that for what it is. And it's literally just people chasing money and like WWA. Does it get the kids and forth? Is it a good day out? Absolutely it is. Have they got it down?

Absolutely they have. But that's not my way. Otherwise, I would have actually stayed in MMA because I was getting paid a lot more to do that. Do you know what I mean? So picking up on that, well, why then did you walk into MMA 11, 10, 10,

whatever it was, 2015, I think it was the first official fight? What made you do? walk away from boxing then or had you already walked away from me? No, I think my dream is to be the best at something and my weight wasn't added to the Olympic Games and I'm never going to be able to punch with Tash or Katie Taylor, do you know what to mean? They're too big, they're too strong. And you couldn't have got the... There's this ridiculous thing when it was 22 pounds in between weight categories.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. It was damning. But the also thing is I managed to get a... a degree so after after I couldn't get any favor of MMA it's already in boxing I was like well I'm gonna go and do uni managed to get a degree in teaching and coaching and fell into MMA by accident when this still actually wasn't the opportunities my weight category wasn't even in MMA in the UFC at the time but I just had this blind faith that I knew that was going to be the the outcome and where it was going so tell me a little bit about that the the whenever the decision was to sign with Match Room and tell me what you can tell me about the contract, you know, obviously

don't expect the ins and outs but don't expect, but just give me some sort of indication. I think we had the back-unf, like it was only one re-negotiation with Eddie. He was just straightforward. He rang me, he told me his plan. And I just thought, I feel safe at Match Room. Like I've always known Eddie.

I know boxing's tough and it's a business and it's different to MMA, but I just feel safe with him and the team. I've known them for years. 10 fight deal over two years and I'm happy because I'm going to be active

and I think you get an active Molly McCann you'll get a good and you're starting at 6-2s who went up to 8-2s 10-2s or whatever and what about I mean I made the comment at the top but how your body look different how much lighter will you be

say the first fight compared to your last UFC fight this would be 55.0 so it'll be one two two my last fight was at 1 15 so I've got a lot more muscle mass on me than what I could have carried than m m m m m but it just means that I don't have to sweat off um obviously the diet's horrible obviously fight week and this week now is like it's not comfortable it's the price you pay for the privilege you're getting in the ring but I haven't got much at all to go so I'll be going to sleep on fight week I'll fight weight And I know that You know, as you say, you're larger than life

That's established, and everyone likes that That's what people will love about you There's larger life and you give 100% 110% and all that stuff You really do And people do genuinely like you I mean people I know that don't People I know that sort of know two boxes

They know you know Have you met Meeple? Did you do that thing on the bus with Meatball still? Was that me? But what was she like? So in that sense I know I know I know what you're like I know what you can do

So will we start to see a little bit of Molly in Fight Week? I mean, you know, will we start to see a little bit of what, you know, that type of bit of edge, be a comedy, bit of an act, be a pantomime? You'll always get, like, Molly on, like, on two coffees where she's like that. Good coffees, is what I want on. Yeah, I think I've always had to sell myself. I've always had to really utilise any moment I have.

But I'm just not here for that anymore. Like, at a press conference, if someone's going to go for me, I'd rather try and show a bit of grace. I'm saying that now, but probably on the day. if someone says something, I'll start effing and blind. Who are you talking, Sim? Little Toby Belli. But, yeah, I just, I don't need,

the loudest person in the room, sometimes the weakest. But you've got to know when's the time. If there's disrespect there, then you go. But I'm just going to let my hands do the talking. And that's the way it should be. And I think, it's all my, I tell what, you know, raise a rat at the football, of course you do.

Sorry, that was an insult for asking. Well, Razor, obviously is called Razor. But he's worked out over the years that being called Razor and having to play Razor all the time is draining. Yeah. So he wrote a book called Toxic, and it was basically how he had to shed Razor, to go back to being Neil Ruddo.

Yeah. I'm not saying you should shed meatball. Yeah. But Molly McCann Boxing might be a better option than Meatball getting involved in a kind of bizarre way. It's a great nickname, by the way. No, it is. Well, my brand is meatball.

I didn't know if I was going to carry it on and then Eddie introduced me as meatball, there's daft. There you are. But that's what the world knows me as. Yeah, yeah, of course, course. But if you think I started MMA as a kid just dropped into the mix of it

and just always spoke off emotion. I never like, I wasn't really... There was a lot of emotion in your life, wasn't it? Yeah, always, like life's being tough. But what happens is I've learnt on the job in front of the world. And now I'm just a more put-together version of myself. I've got so much going on in my own life.

I own five businesses now. I've eaten in one of them. It's brilliant. Just in the Baltic Quarter, just ten minutes from here. Yeah, so, like, I have to conduct myself in a different manner now. And I've just grew up. I probably was a bit annoying back then, but it was only ever from passion and being so happy I was able to do what I was doing. And Paddy the Baddy is still a good friend? Paddy the Baddy is a good friend. I'll be going to the gym tomorrow to watch them spa. When I can

I'll get down to see them. I was in Vegas with him about two months ago so still very close to next gen. They've got a few fighters out on the same night. I'm fighting so they're all coaching but I'll still have Ellis, one of my

corner team in this corner when, if he hasn't got to coach the MMA boys. And who's actually going to be in the corner with you? Who's going to be Danny Withell and J.C. Bamboxon. From here at no limits. And just quickly, as we're winding up,

where would you like to be in a year's time without throwing out, I want to fight her, I want to fight her? Where would you like to be in a year's time? In a year's time, six wins, great growth with every fight, the body built more to put people away, and whoever's there,

fight wherever on the safe and world's on us, in two years. You know what? I had a bet with myself. I said, I bet you she doesn't throw names out there

and say, I'll take her out, I'll take her out. I said, honestly, I had a 5P bet with myself. I do it sometimes. Don't tell anyone.

And I, and I've won a bet. I've won a bet with myself that you would be giving me some of these answers, especially that one there. I've got one more. Come on,

you can keep going. I'll fight at either Goodersen Park or the Hill Dickinson Stadium for a world title. I said that to Eddie. The conditions of me. here and over proud. I want to fight on a Katie Taylor card. I want to fight in Ireland.

I want to fight in a football stadium. And when I fight for a world title, I want to be a mini belieu. And people might say like how's she coming over at this age, doing this, doing that. But listen, who has anyone else to put you down from going for your dreams? Because ultimately, why can't you go for your dreams? Doesn't matter race, creed, sexuality, gender, age. like if you've got a dream, why can't you go for it? Because the only thing that's stopping someone chasing your dream as yourself and listening to other people. So I'd like to sit here in a year and a half's time with you.

We will. And we'll come back and we'll see what we've ticked off that box. 18 months, well, it's a date. Thanks, kid. You've been brilliant. The Women's Football Weekly has found a new home. It's a very own feed. We've called it, unsurprisingly, BBC Women's Football Weekly. We'll continue to bring you the latest news, insights and analysis

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